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England (130/2) inflict an 8-wicket defeat on India (124/7) in the 1st T20I

Hope Eng don't screw it up from here and spoil the fun for some :))

:inti
 
Justcrazy said:
I think they see him more as a batsman.
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No, Washi plays for Kohli's team in RCB. So that shouldn't be the case

Washi's batting is not good for T20s but his defensive bowling works best in T20s and Kohli used him well last year IPL. I expect him to use Washi as powerplay spinner from next match hopefully.
 
Ab Fan said:
No, Washi plays for Kohli's team in RCB. So that shouldn't be the case

Washi's batting is not good for T20s but his defensive bowling works best in T20s and Kohli used him well last year IPL. I expect him to use Washi as powerplay spinner from next match hopefully.
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I think if Axar is in the team , he would be main spinner.
 
Thakur

One of the most dangerous bowlers of the sub continent
 
pillionrider said:
lol Is there any Indian player of quality that you like.

Saha, Iyer, Dhoni after he was truly finished :rabada2
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Just appreciating the inning. But even if I supported them and as long as they all are Indians why do you care? I know you are not a bhakht but still wanted to ask? :inti
 
Lot of questions before T20 WC , I feel this is Kohli’s weakest format in terms of captaincy esp without Dhoni.

Hopefully Rohit chips in and Kaptaan listens to him.
 
Bad game by India. They will bounce back. They have the quality. But some changes need to be made. Need another pacer instead of Axar. Especially when BK isn't looking like a wicket taker and Pandya isn't bowling that well. England played like we know they do. Highlight was Mark Wood. Bamboozled every one with that pace.
 
Kohli has to realise that beating this England team in a 5 match T20 series is out of his auqaat no matter who he fields.

So better try out new faces like SKY, Kishan , Tewatiya, Rahul Chahar etc against a beastly opponent. Better than losing with the likes of Dhawan, Axar, Bhuvi etc....
 
I'm still scratching my head at how we managed to win 2-1 in England last time around with a bowling attack of Sid Kaul, Chahar and Bhuvi.... :))
 
Indian batsmen couldnt get the partnerships going but, Bhuveneshwar, Thakur and Pandya as the three main seamers was a poor bowling combination as well which needs to be altered in the next match. Thakur should considered be more of a bowling all rounder rather than a specialist pacer and with Pandya, Axar and Washington at the 6,7,8 numbers there is no point of having him in the xi. Thakur doesnt make it as a specialist pacer over some others in the squad.
 
Indians forgot to run armored tanks on the pitch before the match like they did in test series ?

How did Murali reborn Aksar Patel went wicketless ?
 
https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/56363466

A magnificent bowling performance set England on the way to a comprehensive eight-wicket victory over India in the first Twenty20 in Ahmedabad.

Jofra Archer's 3-23 spearheaded a relentless showing from the pace bowlers, while leg-spinner Adil Rashid opened the bowling and dismissed home captain Virat Kohli for a duck.

Only Shreyas Iyer, with 67 from 48 balls, got to grips with the England attack and the two-paced pitched as India struggled to 124-7.

England sauntered in the chase, Jason Roy crashing 49 from 32 deliveries to help the tourists to their target with 27 balls to spare.

Eoin Morgan's side take the lead in the five-match series, with the second game to be played on Sunday.

After England were outplayed in losing the Test series 3-1, the T20s looked like a mouthwatering contest - the two best teams in the world, with all the matches played in the world's biggest cricket stadium, seven months away from a World Cup in India.

With a full-strength side at his disposal, England captain Morgan said this was a learning experience before the World Cup.

As it turned out, the tourists were completely dominant from the moment Morgan won the toss.

As a collective, the fast bowlers were pacey, pounding away short of a length. Morgan's decision to entrust Rashid with the new ball was astute, typifying his excellent night as captain, while England's fielding was faultless.

There was no sign of England's batting struggles from the Test series, and the contest was over long before Dawid Malan sealed victory with a straight six.

Archer has endured a difficult tour, missing two Tests with an elbow injury, then using his newspaper column to respond to questions over his desire to play for England.

In the shortest format, he has few peers. Here, he put in the sort of performance that brought him the Most Valuable Player award at last year's Indian Premier League.

He had KL Rahul drag on in the second over, and returned later to have the dangerous Hardik Pandya held at mid-off and Shardul Thakur hook the next ball to deep square leg.

The rest of the pace bowlers followed his example. Mark Wood was constantly above 90mph, Chris Jordan and Ben Stokes ensured there was no respite, while Sam Curran went through his range of variations.

Still, the most telling blow came from Rashid. When Kohli slapped his fifth delivery to mid-off, a crowd of 67,200 in Ahmedabad fell silent.

This was a dreadful performance from India, who rested opener Rohit Sharma, then saw their batting strangled.

Iyer impressed with his touch and timing, while Rishabh Pant played an outrageous reverse ramp off Archer that went for six, but the rest made little to no impact.

Whereas England relied on pace, India chose three frontline spinners, only for Roy to climb into leg-spinner Yuzvendra Chahal.

Even though Chahal ended an opening stand of 72 when he had Jos Buttler lbw for 28 and Roy was leg before to Washington Sundar, Jonny Bairstow arrived a man transformed from the one who registered three ducks in four Test innings.

Victory was England's biggest over India in T20s in terms of wickets and balls remaining.
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England firm favourites for world t20, can't see a fluke like 4 years repeating itself this time, surely this time England will blitz all comers.
 
JaDed said:
Lot of questions before T20 WC , I feel this is Kohli’s weakest format in terms of captaincy esp without Dhoni.

Hopefully Rohit chips in and Kaptaan listens to him.
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Not really,
Recent series: won in Aus 2-1 and won in Nz 5-0.

Total series played under Kohli

Home Series:

2017 vs England - Won (2-1)
2017 vs Australia - Draw (1-1)
2017 vs Nz - Won (2-1)
2018 vs Australia - Draw (1-1)
2019 vs Australia - Lost (2-0)
2019 vs WI- Won(3-0)
2019 vs SA- Won(3-0)
2019 vs WI- Won(2-1)
2020 vs SL- Won(2-0)

Away Series:
2017 vs WI - Lost (1-0)
2017 vs SL- Won (1-0)
2018 vs SA - Draw (1-1)
2018 vs Ire- Won (2-0)
2018 vs England - Won (2-1)
2018 vs Aus - Draw (1-1)
2020 vs Nz - Won(5-0)
2020 vs Aus- Won(2-1)

Total winning % is 65.
 
King_Kohli said:
Not really,
Recent series: won in Aus 2-1 and won in Nz 5-0.

Total series played under Kohli

Home Series:

2017 vs England - Won (2-1)
2017 vs Australia - Draw (1-1)
2017 vs Nz - Won (2-1)
2018 vs Australia - Draw (1-1)
2019 vs Australia - Lost (2-0)
2019 vs WI- Won(3-0)
2019 vs SA- Won(3-0)
2019 vs WI- Won(2-1)
2020 vs SL- Won(2-0)

Away Series:
2017 vs WI - Lost (1-0)
2017 vs SL- Won (1-0)
2018 vs SA - Draw (1-1)
2018 vs Ire- Won (2-0)
2018 vs England - Won (2-1)
2018 vs Aus - Draw (1-1)
2020 vs Nz - Won(5-0)
2020 vs Aus- Won(2-1)

Total winning % is 65.
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Can you filter without Dhoni?
 
We are like old SA.

Kings of bilaterals.

Horrible in tournaments.

Our weaknesses dont get exposed in bilaterals.
 
JaDed said:
Can you filter without Dhoni?
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Kohli as a Captain without Dhoni as a player in team:

Home Series:
2019 vs WI- Won(3-0)
2019 vs SA- Won(3-0)
2019 vs WI- Won(2-1)
2020 vs SL- Won(2-0

Away Series:
2018 vs Aus - Draw (1-1)
2020 vs Nz - Won(5-0)
2020 vs Aus- Won(2-1)
 
King_Kohli said:
Kohli as a Captain without Dhoni as a player in team:

Home Series:
2019 vs WI- Won(3-0)
2019 vs SA- Won(3-0)
2019 vs WI- Won(2-1)
2020 vs SL- Won(2-0

Away Series:
2018 vs Aus - Draw (1-1)
2020 vs Nz - Won(5-0)
2020 vs Aus- Won(2-1)
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Thanks , I’m wrong then(gave into bias).
 
JaDed said:
Thanks , I’m wrong then(gave into bias).
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Yw.
General perception after loosing one match in every series:)
As SIF said above we are Kings of bilateral and Chokers in tournaments.

We need to win a one big tournament, I don't mind loosing this series but we need to use this series as a platform for experiment.
 
Next T20 team:-

KL
Kishan
Kohli(c)
Pant(wkt)
Shreyas
Pandya
Shardul
Sundar
Chahar
Bhuvi
Chahal

In T20s, Pant and Pandya are your X-factor players and when some posters start hating your X-factor player, you know what their ultimate agenda is.

Shreyas is good but he is a little one-dimensional in latter period of his game. So, I would also look to give some games to SKY and Kishan here.

Also, Sundar is not a solution at no.7 in T20s. His hitting is worse than even Axar at lower order. This is why India needs SIR Jadeja.
 
Hasan123 said:
Can you explain what was Kohlis fault today?
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Off the top of my head...

1. No SKY

2. Washington sundar brought in after the game was over

3. Dhawan

4. Bowling attack choice looks awkward considering Pandya just started bowling (tho i dunno who is in the squad and couldnt be bothered to find out)
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Off the top of my head...

1. No SKY

2. Washington sundar brought in after the game was over

3. Dhawan

4. Bowling attack choice looks awkward considering Pandya just started bowling (tho i dunno who is in the squad and couldnt be bothered to find out)
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One big mistake was going with three spinners. This is T20, it won't be a turner. Spinners will be clobbered especially with dew coming in later and Kohli guarantees you losing toss 3 out of 4 times. So, I think that was one mistake they did irrespective of toss result. Go with 3 pacers and 2 spinners, not 3 spinners in T20s. Tests are different game.

Secondly, if you rest Rohit, then try young guys. No point really of trying Shikhi boy. He will score runs if given another game as he always does but he will score at usual 125-135 S/R. Samson or Kishan should be tried.

Thirdly, Shreyas doesn't have the gear to turn it on after getting set like KL, Pant, Kishan and Pandya can. But anyways credit to him he played well yesterday.

So 2 selection mistakes and obviously Sundar not bowling in powerplays because that is where he is best. In T20s, he is a bowler who can bat a bit. But honestly, In T20s, England are simply a better team with far more clarity to their game.
 
Ab Fan said:
One big mistake was going with three spinners. This is T20, it won't be a turner. Spinners will be clobbered especially with dew coming in later and Kohli guarantees you losing toss 3 out of 4 times. So, I think that was one mistake they did irrespective of toss result. Go with 3 pacers and 2 spinners, not 3 spinners in T20s. Tests are different game.

Secondly, if you rest Rohit, then try young guys. No point really of trying Shikhi boy. He will score runs if given another game as he always does but he will score at usual 125-135 S/R. Samson or Kishan should be tried.

Thirdly, Shreyas doesn't have the gear to turn it on after getting set like KL, Pant, Kishan and Pandya can. But anyways credit to him he played well yesterday.

So 2 selection mistakes and obviously Sundar not bowling in powerplays because that is where he is best. In T20s, he is a bowler who can bat a bit. But honestly, In T20s, England are simply a better team with far more clarity to their game.
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I have never seen a captain who is so poor with toss. He is never lucky with toss and he will never win a major tournament as well. Sometimes I wonder how he is having a great life . I know he is hardworking but luck must be there to aid his hard work. But he always lack that luck on toss.
 
India captain Virat Kohli once again failed to conjure up something substantial during the first T20I between India and England at the Narendra Modi Stadium in Ahmedabad on Friday. Kohli, who came in to bat in the second over of the 1st T20I, registered his first-ever consecutive duck in international cricket.

Courtesy Kohli’s wicket, India never get going their first innings and didn’t manage to post a fighting total in the first T20I against England. The visitors won the match by 8 wickets to take a 1-0 lead in the five-match series. England pacer Jofra Archer reacted to India captain’s poor vein of form and said that dismissing the ‘dangerous batsman’ early on so many occasions has been a ‘real bonus’ for his team.

England spinner Adil Rashid dismissed Kohli after Chris Jordan took a good catch at mid-off. “I love to see it when a plan comes off. Rash is a world-class bowler and he can bowl anywhere,” Archer said in the post-match press conference.

“Kohli is obviously a dangerous batter and to see the back of him early so many times is a real bonus. I think it probably might have dampened their camp a little bit,” he added.

The 25-year-old Archer England’s wrecker-in-chief with the ball and emerged as the star performers in the first T20I. He dismissed the likes of KL Rahul, Hardik Pandya and Shardul Thakur.

Returning from an elbow injury, Archer led England’s bowling attack with 3/23 runs as they restricted India to 124 for 7 in 20 overs after skipper Eoin Morgan won the toss and elected to bowl first.

“I was excited to bowl first because there was a bit of dew when we trained the other night …. getting on top of the conditions gave us a little bit of an advantage. It was a very good team performance on a slow wicket,” Archer told reporters.

Bowling first on the two-paced Motera track, England exploited the conditions early to beat India by eight wickets in the series-opening T20I.

The series is seen as a build-up to the T20 World Cup slated in India later this year but Archer said they are not looking too far ahead.

“It’s just the first game of the series. We still have four games to go. They are number two in the world for a reason,” he said.

The second T20I between India and England is slated to be played in Ahmedabad on Sunday.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...ain-wicket-early-in-innings-is-a-bonus-973570
 
Following the eight-wicket loss in the first T20I against England in Narendra Modi Stadium, India skipper Virat Kohli admitted that the side was not aware of what to do on a pitch like that and it was not the ‘ideal’ day. Kohli also said that the lack of execution of shots led to the downfall of the side.

“We just weren’t aware enough of what to do on that kind of pitch. Lack of execution of some of the shots and something we have to address as batsmen. It wasn’t an ideal day on the park,” Kohli said at the presentation.

Accepting it to be a below-par batting show, Kohli praised Shreyas Iyer and said how he showed the way to bat on a pitch like that.

“The wicket probably did not allow you to hit the kind of shots you wanted to, Shreyas’ innings was an example on how you can use the depth of the crease and ride the bounce,” Kohli added.

India now trails 0-1 in the five-match series. They would look to bounce back in the second T20I that takes place at the same venue on Sunday.

Highlighting that India cannot take things lightly against England with the World Cup around the corner, Kohli asserted that India takes a lot of pride in playing good white-ball cricket.

We take a lot of pride in playing good white-ball cricket, we have won the previous series and the series before that. We just have these five games before the T20 World Cup, so we need to experiment but having said that, we have to ensure we don’t take things lightly and especially against a team like England.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...gh-of-what-to-do-on-that-kind-of-pitch-973551
 
Mesozoic said:
I'm still scratching my head at how we managed to win 2-1 in England last time around with a bowling attack of Sid Kaul, Chahar and Bhuvi.... :))
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KL and Kuldeep won those matches single-handedly. There was no team effort and captaincy as usual was poor in terms of selection and decision making.
 
RajBan said:
KL and Kuldeep won those matches single-handedly. There was no team effort and captaincy as usual was poor in terms of selection and decision making.
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Yeah. Rohit too was phenomenal and scored a hundred if I'm not wrong...
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Off the top of my head...

1. No SKY

2. Washington sundar brought in after the game was over

3. Dhawan

4. Bowling attack choice looks awkward considering Pandya just started bowling (tho i dunno who is in the squad and couldnt be bothered to find out)
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I would have started SKY definitely. He deserves his chance.

I stopped watching after Buttler got out but saw the highlights and was shocked Sundar came on so late. Can only think Kohli didn't want him against 2 right handers.

Not sure why Rohit was rested with so few T20 interviews for India before the World T20.
 
Ab Fan said:
Next T20 team:-

KL
Kishan
Kohli(c)
Pant(wkt)
Shreyas
Pandya
Shardul
Sundar
Chahar
Bhuvi
Chahal

In T20s, Pant and Pandya are your X-factor players and when some posters start hating your X-factor player, you know what their ultimate agenda is.

Shreyas is good but he is a little one-dimensional in latter period of his game. So, I would also look to give some games to SKY and Kishan here.

Also, Sundar is not a solution at no.7 in T20s. His hitting is worse than even Axar at lower order. This is why India needs SIR Jadeja.
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Pandya inT20's so far
Matches : 44
Runs : 407
Avg : 18.50
50 : 0

Pant in T20's so far

Matches : 28
Runs : 431
Avg : 20
50 : 2

And Pant bats higher than Pandya lol. Now tell me honestly are these two X factor players above criticism? It seems people shouldn't even say anything against these two just because some sensitive souls worship them blindly. Those who criticise them based on their stats are the real fans who actually want Team India to win whereas others like you only come here to do hero worshipping and want others to bow down in front of them lol. :inti
 
Chahal needs to learn how to bowl it a bit flatter from time to time. He flights it a lot, and credit to him, he does get wickets, but he is also prone to being smacked around from time to time. His ER is pretty high for a spinner.

India will need to sort out the top order soon, and also the middle order as well. Is Hardik Pandya good enough to bat at 6, because his T20I batting average of 18 doesn't suggest to me that he will play at that role with the consistency that is required. He is a splendid hitter of the ball though, but maybe 7 is more suitable. Similarly, Rishabh Pant in T20Is is averaging 20 with a SR of 119, and he's playing in the lower order, where those stats aren't too impressive either. Both have performed well in the IPL, but need to carry their form into international T20s.

Rohit Sharma must replace Dhawan, I think he is a few leagues ahead of Dhawan in terms of being an impact player. Similarly, Suryakumar Yadav needs to slot in somewhere as well, probably down at 5. Sundar is a good bowling option, but maybe I'd experiment with Rahul Chahar instead of Chahal.

For the second game, I'd like to see India go with the following team:

Rohit Sharma
KL Rahul
Virat Kohli (c)
Shreyas Iyer
Suryakumar Yadav
Rishabh Pant
Hardik Pandya
Washington Sundar
Bhuvneshwar Kumar
Varun Chakravarthy
Natarajan
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Pandya inT20's so far
Matches : 44
Runs : 407
Avg : 18.50
50 : 0

Pant in T20's so far

Matches : 28
Runs : 431
Avg : 20
50 : 2

And Pant bats higher than Pandya lol. Now tell me honestly are these two X factor players above criticism? It seems people shouldn't even say anything against these two just because some sensitive souls worship them blindly. Those who criticise them based on their stats are the real fans who actually want Team India to win whereas others like you only come here to do hero worshipping and want others to bow down in front of them lol. :inti
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Atleast use stats sensibly. T20 is about strike rate not averages. Hardik has a S/R of 150. Averages matter only for top order bat.
 
UzmanBeast said:
Chahal needs to learn how to bowl it a bit flatter from time to time. He flights it a lot, and credit to him, he does get wickets, but he is also prone to being smacked around from time to time. His ER is pretty high for a spinner.

India will need to sort out the top order soon, and also the middle order as well. Is Hardik Pandya good enough to bat at 6, because his T20I batting average of 18 doesn't suggest to me that he will play at that role with the consistency that is required. He is a splendid hitter of the ball though, but maybe 7 is more suitable. Similarly, Rishabh Pant in T20Is is averaging 20 with a SR of 119, and he's playing in the lower order, where those stats aren't too impressive either. Both have performed well in the IPL, but need to carry their form into international T20s.

Rohit Sharma must replace Dhawan, I think he is a few leagues ahead of Dhawan in terms of being an impact player. Similarly, Suryakumar Yadav needs to slot in somewhere as well, probably down at 5. Sundar is a good bowling option, but maybe I'd experiment with Rahul Chahar instead of Chahal.

For the second game, I'd like to see India go with the following team:

Rohit Sharma
KL Rahul
Virat Kohli (c)
Shreyas Iyer
Suryakumar Yadav
Rishabh Pant
Hardik Pandya
Washington Sundar
Bhuvneshwar Kumar
Varun Chakravarthy
Natarajan
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Varun is unfit.Will like to see Rahul Chahar.Enough of Chahal

Rohit will continue to rest too

They should find a place for Kishan too
 
Saurav said:
Varun is unfit.Will like to see Rahul Chahar.Enough of Chahal

Rohit will continue to rest too

They should find a place for Kishan too
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Also Thakur has done well recently and deserves his place ahead of Bhuvi
 
Saurav said:
Varun is unfit.Will like to see Rahul Chahar.Enough of Chahal

Rohit will continue to rest too

They should find a place for Kishan too
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Agreed.

Among current leg-spinners in T20I (with a sample size of 20 games or more), the list is as follows:

Yuzvendra Chahal - 46 innings, 60 wickets, 8.35 ER, 25 average, 17.9 SR

Kuldeep Yadav - 20 innings, 39 wickets, 7.11 ER, 13.76 average, 11.6 SR

Shadab Khan - 44 innings, 53 wickets, 7.28 ER, 22.62 average, 18.6 SR

Tabraiz Shamsi - 28 innings, 27 wickets, 7.38 ER, 28.18 average, 22.8 SR

Ish Sodhi - 53 innings, 69 wickets, 8.04 ER, 22.08 average, 16.4 SR

Adam Zampa - 40 innings, 43 wickets, 6.92 ER, 22.67 average, 19.6 SR

Adil Rashid - 50 innings, 52 wickets, 7.47 ER, 25.57 average, 20.5 SR


From that list, Chahal is the least economical spinner, and his bowling average is the third worst. I don't think he's a reliable spin option for India given that he leaks runs quite frequently. He may pick up wickets, but he's easy to hit around as well, so India will have to consider their options.

Kishan should replace Pant. Pant has gotten almost 30 games in T20Is and has only scored about 400 runs or so, and it shows that he isn't converting IPL form into T20I form. Kishan should definitely get a chance.

It's a shame that Chakravarthy is injured, I was hoping to see him play.
 
Ab Fan said:
Atleast use stats sensibly. T20 is about strike rate not averages. Hardik has a S/R of 150. Averages matter only for top order bat.
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He is keep posting Pandya's average every time. :facepalm
Except for top order batsmen average is overrated in T20's , SR is important.
 
Ab Fan said:
Atleast use stats sensibly. T20 is about strike rate not averages. Hardik has a S/R of 150. Averages matter only for top order bat.
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King_Kohli said:
He is keep posting Pandya's average every time. :facepalm
Except for top order batsmen average is overrated in T20's , SR is important.
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You two or may be you 10-20 people here on this forum aren't the only ones who watch cricket in India. Not all of us are into worshipping players. That is why you should also listen to other's opinions and do not discard it. How about you do an inning by inning analysis on these two rather than facepalming? I know you are into interesting stats like Pant's runs against Bald spinners etc lol.

And [MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION] they may be X factors players but they have to deliver now. 44 matches for Pandya and 28 for Pant is too much. You hypocrites would have sidelined any other player after 3 T20 games if it was upto you. Not everyone has a standard like you where you are happy with one reverse sweep or 1 six especially who have seen better match winnners and finishers in Indian team in their lifetime.


Read this following article, I didn't write this. These are opinion of others :

IND vs ENG 2nd T20I Preview: India demands better batting effort from ‘X factors’ Pandya and Pant

One defeat is never the end of the story and no critic can rule this Indian team out of the series on the basis of a singular performance especially because of its zeal to fight.

Left shaken by a bunch of world-class operators, the Indian team’s white-ball stars will be aiming to put up an improved batting effort in the second T20 International against England at Ahmedabad on Sunday.

It was India’s first white-ball game in three months and the rustiness of some of the premier shorter format players like KL Rahul, Hardik Pandya, and Yuzvendra Chahal’s showed in the first game in which the hosts were clinically outplayed.

One defeat is never the end of the story and no critic can rule this Indian team out of the series on the basis of a singular performance especially because of its zeal to fight.

However, as skipper Virat Kohli talks about players with X-factors doing the job, he would expect Rishabh Pant and Pandya to do a bit more with their explosive hitting, which should not be confined to one audacious reverse scoop (Pant off Jofra Archer) or a falling ramp shot (Pandya off Ben Stokes).

They are more than capable and will be expected to give a far better account of themselves, trying to play more shots square of the wicket like Shreyas Iyer did during his innings of 67 off 48 balls.

Both Pandya (19 off 21 balls) and Pant (21 off 23 balls) weren’t able to gauge the pace of the track as Archer and Mark Wood bowled fast and straight denying them any width for the cut shot. The extra bounce also didn’t allow them to drive on the up.

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...ffort-from-x-factors-pandya-and-pant-7226616/

I actually wrote the same that Pant is still throwing his wicket away but few sensitive souls couldn't take it and asked me to respect him because he has an ATG potential lol. Bunch of noobs think just because a player played 2-3 good innings in one format he is above criticism in other formats. :inti
 
RajBan said:
KL and Kuldeep won those matches single-handedly. There was no team effort and captaincy as usual was poor in terms of selection and decision making.
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Individuals can pull one match but you cant win a series without team work.
That series win was complete team work.
Most Runs :
Rohit -137
KL Rahul -126
Virat - 110

Most wickets:
Hardhik -6 (Best bowling average too)
Kuldeep -5
Umesh -5

Best Economy:
Kuldeep: 7.25
Chahal : 7.6


Mesozoic said:
Yeah. Rohit too was phenomenal and scored a hundred if I'm not wrong...
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KL Rahul 101* (In 1stT20)
Rohit 100 (In 3rd T20)
 
Hasan123 said:
I would have started SKY definitely. He deserves his chance.

I stopped watching after Buttler got out but saw the highlights and was shocked Sundar came on so late. Can only think Kohli didn't want him against 2 right handers.

Not sure why Rohit was rested with so few T20 interviews for India before the World T20.
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When has Kohli ever made sense bro.

Watching RCB is comedic fun every season.
 
Ab Fan said:
One big mistake was going with three spinners. This is T20, it won't be a turner. Spinners will be clobbered especially with dew coming in later and Kohli guarantees you losing toss 3 out of 4 times. So, I think that was one mistake they did irrespective of toss result. Go with 3 pacers and 2 spinners, not 3 spinners in T20s. Tests are different game.

Secondly, if you rest Rohit, then try young guys. No point really of trying Shikhi boy. He will score runs if given another game as he always does but he will score at usual 125-135 S/R. Samson or Kishan should be tried.

Thirdly, Shreyas doesn't have the gear to turn it on after getting set like KL, Pant, Kishan and Pandya can. But anyways credit to him he played well yesterday.

So 2 selection mistakes and obviously Sundar not bowling in powerplays because that is where he is best. In T20s, he is a bowler who can bat a bit. But honestly, In T20s, England are simply a better team with far more clarity to their game.
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England are amazing but we dont even give ourselves a chance by doing basics right.

I bet we will continue to make blunders and perhaps even win this series ...only for the said blunders yo backfire big time in world t20 in a crucial moment.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
You two or may be you 10-20 people here on this forum aren't the only ones who watch cricket in India. Not all of us are into worshipping players. That is why you should also listen to other's opinions and do not discard it. How about you do an inning by inning analysis on these two rather than facepalming? I know you are into interesting stats like Pant's runs against Bald spinners etc lol.

And [MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION] they may be X factors players but they have to deliver now. 44 matches for Pandya and 28 for Pant is too much. You hypocrites would have sidelined any other player after 3 T20 games if it was upto you. Not everyone has a standard like you where you are happy with one reverse sweep or 1 six especially who have seen better match winnners and finishers in Indian team in their lifetime.


Read this following article, I didn't write this. These are opinion of others :

IND vs ENG 2nd T20I Preview: India demands better batting effort from ‘X factors’ Pandya and Pant

One defeat is never the end of the story and no critic can rule this Indian team out of the series on the basis of a singular performance especially because of its zeal to fight.

Left shaken by a bunch of world-class operators, the Indian team’s white-ball stars will be aiming to put up an improved batting effort in the second T20 International against England at Ahmedabad on Sunday.

It was India’s first white-ball game in three months and the rustiness of some of the premier shorter format players like KL Rahul, Hardik Pandya, and Yuzvendra Chahal’s showed in the first game in which the hosts were clinically outplayed.

One defeat is never the end of the story and no critic can rule this Indian team out of the series on the basis of a singular performance especially because of its zeal to fight.

However, as skipper Virat Kohli talks about players with X-factors doing the job, he would expect Rishabh Pant and Pandya to do a bit more with their explosive hitting, which should not be confined to one audacious reverse scoop (Pant off Jofra Archer) or a falling ramp shot (Pandya off Ben Stokes).

They are more than capable and will be expected to give a far better account of themselves, trying to play more shots square of the wicket like Shreyas Iyer did during his innings of 67 off 48 balls.

Both Pandya (19 off 21 balls) and Pant (21 off 23 balls) weren’t able to gauge the pace of the track as Archer and Mark Wood bowled fast and straight denying them any width for the cut shot. The extra bounce also didn’t allow them to drive on the up.

https://indianexpress.com/article/s...ffort-from-x-factors-pandya-and-pant-7226616/

I actually wrote the same that Pant is still throwing his wicket away but few sensitive souls couldn't take it and asked me to respect him because he has an ATG potential lol. Bunch of noobs think just because a player played 2-3 good innings in one format he is above criticism in other formats. :inti
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It's not just 10-20, you can even ask 10K and 20k people in India about importance of Pandya in T20s and everyone will tell you that he is among the most important T20 player in the country if not the most in T20 format.

As for performance, Pandya won you a T20 series vs Australia only recently and won the player of series award. You were here only and received a nice bit of humiliation but it seems you didn't learned anything. You couldn't wait longer than even 1 failure and now back to usual.

Regarding Pant, you had problems with his test batting earlier and he gave you a proper ownage in the Australia series and showed you his potential again vs England last month only. He is only 23, just wait for some time, more ownage in other formats is also coming up soon. But ofcourse, you will defend yourself with usual absurd claims rather than accepting the reality.
 
Ab Fan said:
It's not just 10-20, you can even ask 10K and 20k people in India about importance of Pandya in T20s and everyone will tell you that he is among the most important T20 player in the country if not the most in T20 format.

As for performance, Pandya won you a T20 series vs Australia only recently and won the player of series award. You were here only and received a nice bit of humiliation but it seems you didn't learned anything. You couldn't wait longer than even 1 failure and now back to usual.

Regarding Pant, you had problems with his test batting earlier and he gave you a proper ownage in the Australia series and showed you his potential again vs England last month only. He is only 23, just wait for some time, more ownage in other formats is also coming up soon. But ofcourse, you will defend yourself with usual absurd claims rather than accepting the reality.
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Difference between you guys and me is that. I don't use words like humiliation, slapped haters, jealousy, anti indian, ownage blah blah on this forum and mock other's opinions. That's how kids talk not mature people. Even when these two failed I didn't say look you got humiliated or slapped etc I said they are still throwing their wicketd away just like they have done 90% of the time in this format. Even Afridi used to win matches here and there after playing so many games for Pakistan lol.

You started your journey on this forum pretty well and called yourself a neutral fan when I asked about which team do you support few years ago but lately you are turning into a Pant f@nboy who can't even read the article properly and once again trying to teach me that I should wait for players like Pandya or Pant to come up with one inning where you can once again use those words like ownage and humiliation. My advice for you would be to grow up lol. And once again you have nothing else to say on the bolded part in that article which was surely not written by me. You will find hundreds of fans who are not into worshipping blindly. I also liked Sehwag/Sachin but never stopped anyone from criticising them because they too had weaknesses and if people talked about them I would listen. Compare that to guys like you who is not even willing to listen to what Kohli said that he expects more from X factor guys rather than just 1-2 shots. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Difference between you guys and me is that. I don't use words like humiliation, slapped haters, jealousy, anti indian, ownage blah blah on this forum and mock other's opinions. That's how kids talk not mature people. Even when these two failed I didn't say look you got humiliated or slapped etc I said they are still throwing their wicketd away just like they have done 90% of the time in this format. Even Afridi used to win matches here and there after playing so many games for Pakistan lol.

<B>You started your journey on this forum pretty well and called yourself a neutral fan when I asked about which team do you support few years ago</B> but lately you are turning into a Pant f@nboy who can't even read the article properly and once again trying to teach me that I should wait for players like Pandya or Pant to come up with one inning where you can once again use those words like ownage and humiliation. My advice for you would be to grow up lol. And once again you have nothing else to say on the bolded part in that article which was surely not written by me. You will find hundreds of fans who are not into worshipping blindly. I also liked Sehwag/Sachin but never stopped anyone from criticising them because they too had weaknesses and if people talked about them I would listen. Compare that to guys like you who is not even willing to listen to what Kohli said that he expects more from X factor guys rather than just 1-2 shots. :inti
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This actually applies to you because you were a good poster few years ago but not sure what changed you especially in the last couple of years or so.

Regarding that article, they are just expecting them to perform tomorrow and that will always be there as long as they play.
 
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Ab Fan said:
This actually applies to you because you were a good poster few years ago but not sure what changed you especially in the last couple of years or so.

Regarding that article, they are just expecting them to perform tomorrow and that will always be there as long as they play.
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I have been the same ever since I joined this forum. Don't think just because you changed yourself like a chameleon within few months everyone is like you lol. I still talk about performances on the field but guys like you keep talking about humiliation and ownage of posters here rather than discussing based on stats. Yes Pant had a great Australia tour but how does that take away from his bad NZ tour or below average stats in LOI's? Why can't I criticise him based on that?

That article said the same thing that I said these two guys played a bad shot and threw their wicket away. Kaptaan sahab is expecting much more from them just like I am. Once again what's wrong in that? :inti
 
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