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England [142/1] thrash Pakistan [141] by 9 wickets in the 1st ODI

I just start to notice ; media and ex cricketers outside Pakistan praise our worst and mediocre cricketers ...Seems like a strategy for us to keep believing in mediocre players and management like (Misbah and co.)
 
Zak Crawley cannot buy a run against any other team in international cricket, yet tonks Pakistan for fun
 
Problem lies with us fans

We had pretty high standards for Mickey-Sarfaraz (Wanting them to win everything)
And pretty low standards for Mr. Misbah (Wanting them to win at least 1 game and we are happy)

Don't know how much more damage Misbah will do for our cricket.. he has been around for over a decade in powerful roles

Exactly... when Mickey was around the team was shaping up well, making a match with the big teams.. They also beat the finalists of the 2019 CWC , lost the run with the NRR but was able turn around things after the hefty and surprise loss to WI in the first game...


Under Misbah the standard have gone back to his own playing days as captain...
This guy fired Mickey and took his place to prove everyone again and again that he is one of those worst leaders in cricket along with Waqar..
 
Exactly... when Mickey was around the team was shaping up well, making a match with the big teams.. They also beat the finalists of the 2019 CWC , lost the run with the NRR but was able turn around things after the hefty and surprise loss to WI in the first game...


Under Misbah the standard have gone back to his own playing days as captain...
This guy fired Mickey and took his place to prove everyone again and again that he is one of those worst leaders in cricket along with Waqar..
No one in their right mind will say we have not gone backwards under Misbah. While we were no world beaters under Mickey, but we didn’t drop games consistently to B and C sides. Misbah’s Pakistan announced themselves by getting thrashed by Sri Lanka’s depleted team at home, it was always going to be tough from there on. The player pool is pretty much the same.

I have no hope from this team, regardless of whatever opposition we are facing.
 
I wonder why people are surprised by the result even if its against B or C English side.
They would loose 0-5 or 1-4 in a 5 match series against Indian C side as well.
 
At this point we do not have the talent pool to compete with major cricketing nations. Sohaib Maqsood making a comeback into the team symbolises everything that’s wrong with the system.
 
At this point we do not have the talent pool to compete with major cricketing nations. Sohaib Maqsood making a comeback into the team symbolises everything that’s wrong with the system.

He was the only player looking good. I dnt think he will be good enough for one days but 2020s i would defo consider him
 
Wow! I was expecting a better performance from Pakistan.

It shows how much bench strength England have when it comes to LOI cricket.
 
A good captain is judged by what players debuted under him and went on to serve the team and became very good players :

1) Ganguly (4 years) : Yuvraj, Kaif, Zaheer, Ashish Nehra, Gambhir, (bring back Sehwag and Harbhajan)
2) MSD (9 years) : Kohli, Rohit Sharma, Jadeja, Ashwin, Murli Vijay, etc.
3) Misbah (6 years) : Yasir shah.. and that's it

Playing XI during Misbah's days

Ahmed Shehzad (debuted under Younis Khan)
Hafeez (debuted under Rashid Latif)
Younis Khan
Azhar Ali (debuted under Salman Butt)
Asad Shafiq (debuted under Shahid Afridi)
Shoaib Malik
Sarfaraz Ahmed (Debuted under Md. Yousuf)
Saeed Ajmal (Debuted under Malik/Younis Khan)
Abdur Rehman (Debuted under Inzi)
Wahab Riaz (Debuted under Salman Butt)


So what we got out from Misbah in those 6 years except Yasir Shah (and we know he had to play Yasir reluctantly because of ban on Saeed Ajmal)

Conclusion : If you even keep any one and make him captain for 6 years;;; he will win more matches for Pakistan
 
A thoroughly convincing performance from England and, despite all the changes, NASSER HUSSAIN says it shouldn't be a surprise given the players involved...

"An absolute walloping! From what has happened over the last couple of days, some of these lads were playing red-ball cricket, nowhere near a white-ball international and they've come in and put in a performance like that! When I looked at the side yesterday, I thought 'be careful, Pakistan, that is still a proper England side'.

"This is not devaluing ODI cricket in anyway, some people asked if you should be cancelling the game but I looked at that side and thought Pakistan needed to be spot on or they'd be turned over. They weren't spot on and they were turned over."
 
That was woeful.

It was embarrassing and a clueless performance from a side that looked like they were underprepared and lacking direction.

Probably one of the worst performances from Pakistan in quite a while.
 
Why are fans even shocked anymore?

It's takes Pakistan a good few games to get into a groove our the majority of tours. The bad thing here is this is only a 3 match ODI series and they're now 1-0 down already.

Also, if I'm being hyper neagive regarding the side, the continuous inclusion of the likes of Faheem, whom has been nothing short of poor with the bat and average with the ball, and Rauf who isn't a ODI bowler let alone an international white ball bowler.

Misbah also doesn't make me believe the side will go anywhere if he stays in the coaching position.
 
How come there is an Indian commentator on this series but no Pakistani commie?
 
Disappointing from Sky. Obviously with Covid your not going to have anyone in Pakistan travelling in but must be some ex Pakistani players based in UK who have done stints before who could have stepped in. Aren't Azhar Mahmood or Mohammed Akram based in UK nowadays?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For England to rock up only yesterday as a team & perform like they did tells us so much about the culture of the white ball team .. very very impressive .. for Pakistan they were PATHETIC .. Its the only way to describe a performance like that .. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvPAK</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1413204118743703552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
That was woeful.

It was embarrassing and a clueless performance from a side that looked like they were underprepared and lacking direction.

Probably one of the worst performances from Pakistan in quite a while.

One of the worst performances in the history of the game !
 
What a pathetic performance one of the worst ever.

Fahim ashraf is not good enough as a all-rounder
 
The issue is the lack of match awareness.

People say that we go into a defensive shell too easily, but that was exactly what was needed once a wicket was lost on the first ball.

Players need to understand that there's 50 overs.

Taking it slow and steady doesn't harm your progress if you keep wickets in hand.

We need to stop looking at Faheem Ashraf as an all-rounder, because he isn't scoring runs with the bat and is not taking wickets with the ball. He needs to be dropped and replaced with Imad Wasim.

Unlike England and India, we don't have the luxury of a good seam bowling all-rounder, so why waste a slot with someone who isn't performing? Go into the stats and compare Imad and Faheem and it's quite clear that Imad has a far superior record even in England. Pakistan enjoyed a lot of success without Faheem because Imad was good enough to contribute a few overs and take wickets.

Next, Shadab Khan. He saved his skin by batting half decently on this pitch, but is he good enough to be our spinner?

My XI for the next game depends on the pitch. If it looks dry, then I'll take Qadir but if not, Hasnain fits in.

Fakhar Zaman
Imam-ul-Haq
Babar Azam (c)
Mohammad Rizwan
Saud Shakeel
Sohaib Maqsood
Shadab Khan
Mohammad Hasnain/Usman Qadir
Hasan Ali
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Haris Rauf

I trust Hasan with the bat more than Faheem.

That gives us our best chance of bowling England out cheaply. Win the toss and bowl.
 
The issue is the lack of match awareness.

People say that we go into a defensive shell too easily, but that was exactly what was needed once a wicket was lost on the first ball.

Players need to understand that there's 50 overs.

Taking it slow and steady doesn't harm your progress if you keep wickets in hand.

We need to stop looking at Faheem Ashraf as an all-rounder, because he isn't scoring runs with the bat and is not taking wickets with the ball. He needs to be dropped and replaced with Imad Wasim.

Unlike England and India, we don't have the luxury of a good seam bowling all-rounder, so why waste a slot with someone who isn't performing? Go into the stats and compare Imad and Faheem and it's quite clear that Imad has a far superior record even in England. Pakistan enjoyed a lot of success without Faheem because Imad was good enough to contribute a few overs and take wickets.

Next, Shadab Khan. He saved his skin by batting half decently on this pitch, but is he good enough to be our spinner?

My XI for the next game depends on the pitch. If it looks dry, then I'll take Qadir but if not, Hasnain fits in.

Fakhar Zaman
Imam-ul-Haq
Babar Azam (c)
Mohammad Rizwan
Saud Shakeel
Sohaib Maqsood
Shadab Khan
Mohammad Hasnain/Usman Qadir
Hasan Ali
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Haris Rauf

I trust Hasan with the bat more than Faheem.

That gives us our best chance of bowling England out cheaply. Win the toss and bowl.

I wonder what Gidar Singhi does Faheem Ashraf have over Aamir Yamin and Hammad Butt? He keeps getting unlimited chances whereas the other two have always been ignored, if they got the same opportunities as Faheem did, they would have made a name for themselves by now
 
Unbeaten half-centuries from Dawid Malan and Zak Crawley, and four wickets from fast bowler Saqib Mahmood powered England to victory in the first ODI against Pakistan.

Forced to name an entirely new squad for the series after seven members of the playing group and staff tested positive for COVID-19, England handed debuts to five players on Thursday.

But that inexperience did little to impede the hosts in the series opener at Cardiff, where they cruised to a nine-wicket victory with 169 balls to spare.

Electing to bowl first, England bowled Pakistan out for 141, with Fakhar Zaman (47) and Shadab Khan (30) the only batters to pass 20.

Mahmood (4/42) put Pakistan on the backfoot from the get-go, striking with the first ball of the match when he trapped Imam-ul-Haq in front for a golden duck. He struck again two deliveries later, having Babar Azam (0) caught at second slip.

Debutant Lewis Gregory got in on the act three overs later, taking the edge of Mohammad Rizwan (13).

By the seventh over, Pakistan were four down as Mahmood struck again, dismissing Saud Shakeel (5) lbw.

A 53-run stand between Zaman and Sohaib Maqsood steadied the ship but the innings was once again derailed when Maqsood was run out by a direct hit from James Vince, paying the price for a moment’s miscommunication.

Matt Parkinson (2/28) opened his account with the dismissal of Zaman in the 22nd over and by the 36th over Pakistan were all out, as Craig Overton (2/23) accounted for the tail alongside Mahmood and Parkinson.

Pakistan’s hopes of victory were boosted when Shaheen Afridi (1/22) dismissed debutant Philip Salt (7) in the fifth over but an unbeaten 120-run stand put the match to bed by the 22nd over.

Both Malan and Crawley notched half-centuries, with Malan scoring 68 from 69 and Crawley celebrating his debut with 58 off 50.

The sides will next meet on Saturday at Lord’s.
 
I wonder what Gidar Singhi does Faheem Ashraf have over Aamir Yamin and Hammad Butt? He keeps getting unlimited chances whereas the other two have always been ignored, if they got the same opportunities as Faheem did, they would have made a name for themselves by now

What I will say is that unless you have a world class seam bowling all-rounder, there's no point in wasting time over picking all these so-and-so all-rounders.

We enjoyed success in English conditions by having Imad bridge the gap between the batsmen and the bowlers, the same is required now.

We don't have a large talent pool of good all-rounders, yet we choose to ignore those who perform the best.

I see some potential in Amad Butt if he can develop his batting and turn into a power hitter, but not much else in that department.
 
We don't have a large talent pool of good all-rounders, yet we choose to ignore those who perform the best.

I see some potential in Amad Butt if he can develop his batting and turn into a power hitter, but not much else in that department.

I agree with this. Its slim pickings in most departments, including all rounders. The few we have like Amad Butt need to be better developed. Amad, Aamir Yamin and Wasim Jnr should be worked on. They should be getting dedicated coaching at the NHPC and hopefully at least one of them can develop into a more useful player for us.
 
What I will say is that unless you have a world class seam bowling all-rounder, there's no point in wasting time over picking all these so-and-so all-rounders.

We enjoyed success in English conditions by having Imad bridge the gap between the batsmen and the bowlers, the same is required now.

We don't have a large talent pool of good all-rounders, yet we choose to ignore those who perform the best.

I see some potential in Amad Butt if he can develop his batting and turn into a power hitter, but not much else in that department.

Whether these players will come good, time will tell. I find it ridiculous to see Faheem Ashraf get unlimited chances for Pakistan since 2017 and for the likes of Aamir Yamin and Amad Butt to not even have been given 10% of those chances
 
Whether these players will come good, time will tell. I find it ridiculous to see Faheem Ashraf get unlimited chances for Pakistan since 2017 and for the likes of Aamir Yamin and Amad Butt to not even have been given 10% of those chances

True.

Any idea if we can bring Imad into the team as Haris Sohail is injured?

He's there in England, so I'd assume it's possible.
 
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