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England are not making it, doors open for Pakistan and South Africa

Cannot discount Eng yet specially with Stokes to start will give them a boost also they have versatility in squad Livingston can open as well

Livingston Bairstow Malan Root Brook Stokes Buttler Rashid Wood Topley Atkinson

That's a long batting lineup with Livingston Root and Stokes to share 10 overs, on paper they are still better than Pak Aus
 
Kianig89 said:
Cannot discount Eng yet specially with Stokes to start will give them a boost also they have versatility in squad Livingston can open as well

Livingston Bairstow Malan Root Brook Stokes Buttler Rashid Wood Topley Atkinson

That's a long batting lineup with Livingston Root and Stokes to share 10 overs, on paper they are still better than Pak Aus
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Stokes ain't bowling this tournament.
 
Saj said:
The Pakistan v Australia match is huge.

If Pakistan can beat the Aussies, that's them almost out.
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Who do you back to win an Australia v Pakistan knock out or ‘virtual knock out’ level match?
 
Today’s defeat of England is a massive boost for Pakistan and r en Aussies. This has opened the doors to the semis wide open.
 
Aus also has a game tomorrow against Sl, for Pakistan it will be better if SL wins tomorrow though its unlikely hopefully Warner and Smith will get their due runs tomorrow to flop against Pakistan
 
Hold your seat belts because there could be more upsets in the tournament.

Also as posters often allege, once certain teams have their feet firmly in the semis with a couple of matches to go, let’s say maybe Bharat or Southern Afrikaan, would they then lose a match on purpose to avoid certain teams from getting to semis?
 
Buffet said:
Eng game is not suitable for certain conditions. At least that was true in this game. I did not watch other game to comment.
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England players are used to play in India, so no excuses at all. Their bowling seems very weak and it's only a matter of time before Wood get's unfit and their situation will go from bad to worse. Don't know how much the reserve Archer has played of late.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Hold your seat belts because there could be more upsets in the tournament.

Also as posters often allege, once certain teams have their feet firmly in the semis with a couple of matches to go, let’s say maybe Bharat or Southern Afrikaan, would they then lose a match on purpose to avoid certain teams from getting to semis?
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Totally agree on the bold one. The defending champion lost today and it's possible that the biggest favourite India also lose a match agaist BD or SL.
 
IAJ said:
Totally agree on the bold one. The defending champion lost today and it's possible that the biggest favourite India also lose a match agaist BD or SL.
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Why not.
This World Cup is only getting warmed up. I am saying Afghanistan themselves won’t settle for just 1 win, now that they have tasted blood why should they? Afghanistan are coming for you all, I am glad we have avoided this threat already lol
 
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Can't write them off yet since on their day they can still hit anyone out of the game
There have been some imperious batting performances in this world cup and some roads they can still take advantage of
 
Bhaijaan said:
Today’s defeat of England is a massive boost for Pakistan and r en Aussies. This has opened the doors to the semis wide open.
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I honestly don’t think it is

Pakistan would much rather face a calm/chilled out England in their penultimate game. Not an England side searching for a win to qualify
 
Eng is still a fair shot for sf. People are too quick to write eng and Australia off. Aus if they beat SL tomorrow and then Pak - a completely different ball game from then on. And if those are crushing wins - then they are back as contenders. Too early to make predictions. Still think NZ is given extra credit and overrated. The next 4 NZ games are all against top opponents and it can easily be 4 losses for them. At this point only Ind looks to be a near certainty for sf.
 
deltexas said:
Eng is still a fair shot for sf. People are too quick to write eng and Australia off. Aus if they beat SL tomorrow and then Pak - a completely different ball game from then on. And if those are crushing wins - then they are back as contenders. Too early to make predictions. Still think NZ is given extra credit and overrated. The next 4 NZ games are all against top opponents and it can easily be 4 losses for them. At this point only Ind looks to be a near certainty for sf.
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For me, 2 teams out of Pakistan, South Africa and England should make it to the semi-finals along with India and New Zealand.
 
Australia game will be crucial. I am more worried about that game than the NZ game going by history.
 
Bowling sucks for Pakistan so hope for batting blinders against hazlewood and stark
 
Today both Woods and Topley emulated Haris Rauf and went 10 an over! Puts things into perspective....
 
We shouldn't qualify to semi cover Selectors', Captain's & System's failure. If we manage all mistakes will be forgiven. Both Babar and Shadab stay as captain and vice captain. Parchis will stay in the team and there will be same old story next World Cup.
 
England are out, no way are they beating both India and Australia.

Top 4 will be India, New Zealand, Australia and South Africa.
 
The English can only do it in Wngland.

In Bharat they have always been duds. Stay in your limits because you don’t belong in the gang of big men like Bharat, Pakistan
 
You are looking at the eventual winners of this tournament
 
Between Australia and Pakistan, it’s Pakistan that has the easiest remaining schedule. They just have to play Afg, SA and Bangladesh. You can chalk easy 2 wins.
Aus has to play Ned, NZ and Eng. Not easy for them. Only 1 win guaranteed.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Between Australia and Pakistan, it’s Pakistan that has the easiest remaining schedule. They just have to play Afg, SA and Bangladesh. You can chalk easy 2 wins.
Aus has to play Ned, NZ and Eng. Not easy for them. Only 1 win guaranteed.
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Um pak has both NZ and Eng left lol that you are saying will be difficult for Australia.what kind of logic is that?and since when is SA in the same category as Band and Afg
 
Galla said:
Um pak has both NZ and Eng left lol that you are saying will be difficult for Australia.what kind of logic is that?and since when is SA in the same category as Band and Afg
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I did not put SA in At and Bangladesh category. That is why I chalked 2 easy wins for Pakistan.
England are out of WC. They might play their reserves as by now they just want to go home.
 
Bhaijaan said:
You are looking at the eventual winners of this tournament
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If Afghanistan bat first against the Saffers and put a good total, doubt it will be easy for them to chase, just like the Netherlands.

England made big mistake of bowling first (and leaving Mo out)....
 
I dont think there were any great expectations from PCT in the first place..Just hope they can somehow make to Semis ... else i suggest you'all to keep hopes low.. they are at best a 5th or 6th ranked team .. Can beat lower ranked ones and mostly will fail against the top 4
 
England are out, but Pakistan still need to beat them to stand a chance of their own.

The Afghans could do us a solid by taking down the Aussies too.

I think South Africa won’t falter again and will sow up spot 3.
 
ChTab said:
oops, your prediction is half true :geek::geek:
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People here consider themselves as ‘experts’ when an average team like Pakistan keeps proving them right.

England has been horrific to say the least, I cannot believe they are losing wickets like this on such a flat track.
 
Rana said:
Shocking man

Really disappointed with England. Complete mess
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Totally was expecting kind of repeat of 2016 WT20 match at Mumbai but it is a mess, don't think they'll recover from such a heavy defeat.
 
ChTab said:
Totally was expecting kind of repeat of 2016 WT20 match at Mumbai but it is a mess, don't think they'll recover from such a heavy defeat.
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They have no choice but to recover

They are missing Roy. Roy and Bairstow is one of the most devastating opening combinations in recent cricket history.

Malan should be at 3, Butler needs to bat at 4.
 
Eng and Pakistan might be playing the most point less match in WC history at iconic Eden Gardens come 11th Nov
 
PAK have played good cricket in patches - namely:

The Rizwan-Saud partnership vs NED, death bowling vs SL, Abdullah-Rizwan partnership vs SL, reaching 155-2 vs IND (although rather slowly IMO), death bowling vs AUS and the opening stand vs AUS.

The problem is we're incapable of translating that across the full 100 overs.

You can chalk it down to T20 overload where just a few overs worth of performance is enough to win matches, lack of experience in Indian conditions, skills deficit, or our notoriously slow starts to tournaments. Maybe all the above.

Despite that, thanks to our rivals slipping up we can still sneak into the SFs. But must start clicking as a team starting with the Afghanistan match.
 
Door was always open for South Africa.

Nz, Sa and ind were never in any doubt. If anyone had been following their form rather then getting Goo goo gaga over England and Australia they'd know.

Sf spot was always going to be between eng, aus and pak.

I picked eng as my 4th sf due to rr as their bazzball nature supplements it but I didn't expect them to lose to afg, so now I think the door is open for aus.

Aus has 3 easy games coming up that they won't lose.

Pakistan on the other hand have only bamgaldesh as an easy game. Afg, South Africa, England and NZ will be a tall task. Yes even eng.
 
Buffet said:
Winning toss has not been an advantage in this WC like it was in Aus.
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Most captains think they can chase 350 plus in India

Thing is even with flat pitches, small grounds & dew on the field, chasing 350 is never easy. It generally requires special effort from the batting side + poor bowling performance

Pakistan chased 345 vs Sri Lanka mostly bcoz Sri Lanka's bowling was absolute trash. Against Australia they did not get those wides , full tosses & half trekkers & lost

Same mistake made by England today. Batting first & putting on 350 plus is always a better option
 
Asif321 said:
They are going home . It’s Australia vs Pakistan for last spot
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If it goes down to NRR Pak play the their last game after Aussies last game. But, the last game is v England shouldn’t expect a significant NRR boost. Hopefully we can pick it up in the coming games. Starting v Afghan on Monday, a big win would be nice.
 
NishanKonar said:
Most captains think they can chase 350 plus in India

Thing is even with flat pitches, small grounds & dew on the field, chasing 350 is never easy. It generally requires special effort from the batting side + poor bowling performance

Pakistan chased 345 vs Sri Lanka mostly bcoz Sri Lanka's bowling was absolute trash. Against Australia they did not get those wides , full tosses & half trekkers & lost

Same mistake made by England today. Batting first & putting on 350 plus is always a better option
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Pak certainly got "those wides" via Starc's first couple overs.
 
If Pakistan makes it to the Semi Final, India will be one game away from lifting the trophy.

If Aus and SA make the top 4, India will be two games away from lifting the trophy.

As a pak fan, I’ll be hoping we don’t make the semi’s
 
So the matches that Pak and Aus have in common coming up. Both are playing Afghan, Bangladesh, New Zealand and England. However Pak’s other game is v South Africa, whilst Australia is against Netherlands.

That’s advantage Australia with the 3 minnow teams to play.
 
You'd fancy Aus to win more of their remaining games than us.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
One of England or SA will destroy us.
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Yeah I can imagine England batting taking us apart. But man it would be a great set up if we go into our final game in the group stage v England in a must win to qualify. It’d be epic if we could pull it off, make for great viewing. We could end up playing India in semis from 4th position.
 
shokz1408 said:
Yeah I can imagine England batting taking us apart. But man it would be a great set up if we go into our final game in the group stage v England in a must win to qualify. It’d be epic if we could pull it off, make for great viewing. We could end up playing India in semis from 4th position.
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If we play India loss is guaranteed anyway
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
If we play India loss is guaranteed anyway
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That’s true, it’s just hoping a miracle can happen twice. Tbf we thought the same after our first ass whooping in CT17 group match. It’s a long time ago, but I really hope something like that final happens again. It would make my year haha. We were fine up to 30 over mark in both matches this WC we just need middle/lower order to stand up. Who failed miserably 40-8, 36-6. Surely they can’t fail all of the time (hopefully), they need to perform if we are to win the all important games coming up.
 
shokz1408 said:
That’s true, it’s just hoping a miracle can happen twice. Tbf we thought the same after our first ass whooping in CT17 group match. It’s a long time ago, but I really hope something like that final happens again. It would make my year haha. We were fine up to 30 over mark in both matches this WC we just need middle/lower order to stand up. Who failed miserably 40-8, 36-6. Surely they can’t fail all of the time (hopefully), they need to perform if we are to win the all important games coming up.
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Nawaz and Shadab are the worst no 7 and 8 in Pakistan history. They literally have no ability and can't even play with guts like Ajmal or Amir used to.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Nawaz and Shadab are the worst no 7 and 8 in Pakistan history. They literally have no ability and can't even play with guts like Ajmal or Amir used to.
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Yeah they are the worst “all rounders” in international cricket for sure. It hurts me that they play that position for Pakistan, a very easy act to follow.
 
Buffet said:
Winning toss has not been an advantage in this WC like it was in Aus.
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Or worse, like Dubai.

I said this in one of the preview threads , Indian conditions are probably the most balanced for ODIs from among all countries.

May not be the case for T20's and Tests I admit where there might be toss advantage but there is no massive toss advantage in this format.


As long as games are played across multiple venues , all advantages are neutralised and dew coming in later is balanced by swing and zip initially under lights.
 
Today's defeat would surely dent England's confidence a lot. The way their bowler went over the park in the last 10 overs would be demoralizing for any team and their batting was lackluster too.
 
You know things are bad when.. (England Edition)

Top 4 bastmen with highest strike rates are bowlers.

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Shafi said:
We shouldn't qualify to semi cover Selectors', Captain's & System's failure. If we manage all mistakes will be forgiven. Both Babar and Shadab stay as captain and vice captain. Parchis will stay in the team and there will be same old story next World Cup.
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That's exactly what happened when Pakistan reached the WT20 final last year. All mistakes were forgiven. Everyone forgot about the humiliating defeat against Zimbabwe as if it never happened because the green tinted hype brigade had their heads in their clouds because we reached a final when we never truly deserved it.

Out of the 7 games Pakistan played, they just managed to win just 4 games. A win rate of just over 50%. The only good teams they beat were South Africa and New Zealand.
 
topspin said:
That's exactly what happened when Pakistan reached the WT20 final last year. All mistakes were forgiven. Everyone forgot about the humiliating defeat against Zimbabwe as if it never happened because the green tinted hype brigade had their heads in their clouds because we reached a final when we never truly deserved it.

Out of the 7 games Pakistan played, they just managed to win just 4 games. A win rate of just over 50%. The only good teams they beat were South Africa and New Zealand.
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I don’t really care if we lose a T20 to Zimbabwe if we making the finals of the T20 World Cup. You’re basically saying you’d rather have them minnow bash then get results in the tournament lol
 
I think it be SA, NZ, Ind, Aus for SF, we are going to be tested by Afg too, we still don't have a finalized 11 to play with, on the thread, yes England are most likely done for at this point.
 
160KPH said:
I don’t really care if we lose a T20 to Zimbabwe if we making the finals of the T20 World Cup. You’re basically saying you’d rather have them minnow bash then get results in the tournament lol
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No lets not put words in my mouth.

Pakistan were not worthy finalists because the quality of the cricket they played was mediocre. They were not one of the top 2 teams in the tournament. This is also evident by the fact that the final was very one sided affair.

We were lucky to have an easy group. The pathway to the Semi-Finals was easy because all we had to do was beat one of India or South Africa. The latter have a notorious reputation for bottling it in ICC tournaments. If we had beaten India during the group stage or England in the final you could dismiss the defeat against a Zimbabwe as an one-off blip. However, to win less than 60% of our matches shows how mediocre Pakistan's cricket was during the tournament.
 
England never had a chance with Jofra Archer. He is a generational bowler and his injury woes over the last 4 years is one of the biggest tragedies in the game.

A career that promised so much but it might already be too late for him now. There are no signs of him getting his fitness back.
 
topspin said:
No lets not put words in my mouth.

Pakistan were not worthy finalists because the quality of the cricket they played was mediocre. They were not one of the top 2 teams in the tournament. This is also evident by the fact that the final was very one sided affair.

We were lucky to have an easy group. The pathway to the Semi-Finals was easy because all we had to do was beat one of India or South Africa. The latter have a notorious reputation for bottling it in ICC tournaments. If we had beaten India during the group stage or England in the final you could dismiss the defeat against a Zimbabwe as a one-off blip. However, to win less than 60% of our matches shows how mediocre Pakistan's cricket was during the tournament.
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You can do this kind of pickiness with literally any team though. England lost to Ireland in the same T20 World Cup and managed to win it.
 
160KPH said:
You can do this kind of pickiness with literally any team though. England lost to Ireland in the same T20 World Cup and managed to win it.
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That's why I said in my previous post: "If we had beaten India during the group stage or England in the final you could dismiss the defeat against a Zimbabwe as a one-off blip"

England played 6 matches in the tournament. They played 1 less than Pakistan because their match against Australia was abandoned due to rain.

Yes they lost to Ireland but they won all their other games including a game against India in the Semi-Final where they chased down 170 without losing a wicket.

5 wins out of 6 is a win rate of over 80%. They were worthy winners.

Pakistan won 4 out of 7. A win rate of less than 60%.

I'm judging England by the same standard and they deserved to win the tournament because they were by far the best team in the competition. Pakistan were nowhere near as good as them.
 
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