England, Australia ruled world cricket for 100 years, it's fine that India’s taken over: Dean Jones

[MenInG]

The International Cricket Council’s SWOT (Strength, Weakness, Opportunities and Threats) analysis lists over-reliance on Indian money and fans as one of its concerns/weakness. And this has not gone down well with former Australian Test cricketer Dean Jones, who says if not for India, he doesn’t know where the game would be now.

“The game's pretty good at the moment. England and Australia have had their go for 100 years, India’s taken over, and have got a strong hold in ICC and that’s fine,” Jones said at the launch of his book Dean Jones’ Cricket Tips on Thursday. “Players (are) getting paid more money, people watching TV, IPL is just absolutely killer. So where is the bad part of this?”

Jones added, “The ICC has got to run the game, but I sit back and say well if it wasn’t for what India's done in the last 10 years, I wonder where we would be? Wonder where the players would be because they wouldn’t be getting the same money (anywhere) and with world’s 80 per cent cricket turnover comes from this great country. See, it’s all very well too,” Jones told DNA.

“Think the game has been outstanding over the last 10 years. Couple of teething problems here and there but if it wasn’t for Indian cricket the players wouldn’t earn the money they are earning now,” he added.

On India's forthcoming tour of England, Jones said: “I am just trying to go through the Indian Premier League. I will be seeing what pitches do they pick, the Indian team is very good they have got a bowling attack that can bowl on any conditions. It's up to the batsmen if they can get through.

“It wasn’t just the swinging ball, but it was Moeen Ali, who was knocking you guys out (last tour), an off spinner! So it was like what the hell was going on there. That needs to be picked up a little bit. So, I am expecting India to beat England.”

The man with 11 Test centuries from 52 matches said the games before the Test series will matter in England. “It will be interesting to see how they start the schedule. Whether they play a few more County matches, I would be, if I was organising the schedule. A few more County matches, get used to the Dukes ball, moving around with overcast conditions.

“You can’t just go and do England series with just one or two practice matches and expect to belt them up. You know in 1989 when we beat England and in 1993, 1997 we went over there and had four first class games before the first Test and then we had games in between. So we were game ready.

“Because beating England in England is everything like beating India in India —the Holy Grail. You can’t just expect to walk out here and just do it straight away, you need to experience the conditions, and get players used to with the ball turning and all that top stuff.”

Jones dwelled on the scheduled India's tour of Australia later this year and said he is excited about Virat Kohli & Co taking on Australia Down Under.

“Look, Virat’s my favourite player in the world at the moment and he played the innings of the summer when he was out in Adelaide last time when he got a hundred in the last match. He should belt us up in all honesty, we don’t have Smith, we don’t have Warner, so we will get some flat tracks around.

“(Ravichandran) Ashwin is going to play a big role now because conditions will actually suit these guys. Whereas in the past it hasn’t. Ashwin will be going to be a big player if they want to win the series, Umesh Yadav and Co. too,” Jones added.

Jones said the Australian cricketers banned following ball-tampering controversy – Steve Smith, David Warner and Cameron Bancroft, deserved the punishment. “I think they are going to play some T20 leagues around the world. Pakistan Super League, after that Afghanistan Premier League, probably playing Canadian Premier League. They want to be playing for Australia, that simple as that, that kills them.

“We have set the example right now, if we catch them scratching the ball that’s a year (ban). Its up to everyone else to follow the same way if they want but that’s the way we want to set the standards and culture and that’s what going to happen.”

He further said it is going to be tough for Australia to get back the respect, though. “I think there is respect in the way we play. We got foot in the backside and we got a big foot in the back side. It will take a while to get rid of that, we have got a tattoo on our arm and it will take a while to get rid of it.”

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[Bilal7]

The difference being that England and Australia kept cricket alive while India is doing its best to kill it. If the BCCI had its way, the IPL would be the only cricket we'd be able to see outside of the World T20.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The difference being that England and Australia kept cricket alive while India is doing its best to kill it. If the BCCI had its way, the IPL would be the only cricket we'd be able to see outside of the World T20.

Utterly uninformed nonsense without a shred of evidence to support this.

 

[USofA]

What Mr. Jones has said is very true. Indian $$$ pretty much runs cricket. It has made numerous players multi-millionaires. Not just their own players, but players around the world. It has changed players lives.

More money in the game is good. Will attract more talented players to the sport. Which will make watching the game that much better. All in all a very good thing for the sport.

 

[Ab Fan]

He is right. He accepts that it is India who are ruling cricket today.

 

[Bhaijaan]

India has also done more harm to this beautiful game in 10 years than what England and Australia never did in 100 years. Cricket is no more a gentleman's game after BCCI made it all about money and using unfair means to have their way. The way India has treated Bangladesh all these years as an untouchable has been disgrace. The way India has conspired to hurt Pakistan cricket at every moment possible is unbecoming of a responsible power. India has looked at Pakistan after they became rich as if they were Sri Lanka or Bangladesh and not a proud cricket nation. You never heard of such behaviour from the Big 2 when they were the top dogs. Everyone was treated with respect and dignity in ICC back in the day which is the need of the hour.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

India has also done more harm to this beautiful game in 10 years than what England and Australia never did in 100 years. Cricket is no more a gentleman's game after BCCI made it all about money and using unfair means to have their way. The way India has treated Bangladesh all these years as an untouchable has been disgrace. The way India has conspired to hurt Pakistan cricket at every moment possible is unbecoming of a responsible power. India has looked at Pakistan after they became rich as if they were Sri Lanka or Bangladesh and not a proud cricket nation. You never heard of such behaviour from the Big 2 when they were the top dogs. Everyone was treated with respect and dignity in ICC back in the day which is the need of the hour.

Major difference between desi tenure vs foreigntenure.

 

[Pete Rose]

India has also done more harm to this beautiful game in 10 years than what England and Australia never did in 100 years. Cricket is no more a gentleman's game after BCCI made it all about money and using unfair means to have their way. The way India has treated Bangladesh all these years as an untouchable has been disgrace. The way India has conspired to hurt Pakistan cricket at every moment possible is unbecoming of a responsible power. India has looked at Pakistan after they became rich as if they were Sri Lanka or Bangladesh and not a proud cricket nation. You never heard of such behaviour from the Big 2 when they were the top dogs. Everyone was treated with respect and dignity in ICC back in the day which is the need of the hour.

You should not forget, that when the West Indies were are their peak,CA once paid BCCI so that they would stay home and West Indies could tour. I am certainly not a bcci supporter, but it’s not like it’s all about the Bcci doing damage.

 

[Pete Rose]

Disagree. The Mumbai attacks and the lack of cooperation from Pakistan resulted in the decision to cut all bilateral ties with them. Peace talks with elected representatives weren’t yielding any results for obvious reasons. I don’t think BCCI or Indians have anything against the PCB or their cricket team. Please don’t mix a national security issue with cricket. That topic is broad enough to have a dedicated thread.

ICC currently is not acting like BCCI agents. They’re functioning independently. But they can’t and shouldn’t ignore the dominant force that BCCI is.

It’s not just national security. The PCB did not want to send players initially to the IPL as a pressure tactic to convince them to tour,

 

[ArsenalFC]

Utterly uninformed nonsense without a shred of evidence to support this.

Big 3 is all that needs to be said. It may have been disbanded but unofficially it exists alright. The way BCCI was crying with the revenue distributions and threatening to pull out of CT last year sums up the implications for the future of cricket.

After recent news from ICC and given the above, this all points to one direction and it is inevitable that they will form a rebel governing structure which would isolate countries like Pakistan. Unfortunately the powers of money outweigh those of morals.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Big 3 is all that needs to be said. It may have been disbanded but unofficially it exists alright. The way BCCI was crying with the revenue distributions and threatening to pull out of CT last year sums up the implications for the future of cricket.

After recent news from ICC and given the above, this all points to one direction and it is inevitable that they will form a rebel governing structure which would isolate countries like Pakistan. Unfortunately the powers of money outweigh those of morals.

Unfortunately that will end up harming the game worldwide. India might have the financial muscle at present, but by trying to exclude themselves to a big three, they are ignoring that Asia is the real powerhouse of cricket and for England cricket is a secondary game. Indians can't play the game all by themselves without killing world interest in cricket. Windies cricket is already on the slide and you could see countries like SA and NZ also diminish as other more attractive sports take the stage.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Just because X or Y did a mistake back in the day we shouldn't try to emulate them today, else what's the difference between us and them? Will Black people enslaving and murdering white folk today set right the horrors of the past? The world is becoming a sick bad place purely because of this kind of attitude.

 

[moghul]

Money talks, First Warne and now Jones. its common for Aussies and other foreign players/experts to give irrational statements in support of BCCI while doing their job at IPL. Not bad, at least they are keeping their employer happy, thorough "professionalism".

 

[USofA]

Money talks, First Warne and now Jones. its common for Aussies and other foreign players/experts to give irrational statements in support of BCCI while doing their job at IPL. Not bad, at least they are keeping their employer happy, thorough "professionalism".

Speaking of irrational statements, a certain Mr. Mark Waugh's recent "selfish" statement comes to mind as well.

 

[kuskash]

The difference being that England and Australia kept cricket alive while India is doing its best to kill it. If the BCCI had its way, the IPL would be the only cricket we'd be able to see outside of the World T20.

Salute to your usual bitter rubbish about anything Indian. Why other boards do not take over from BCCI, what’s preventing them besides continued whining.

 

[Bhaijaan]

You should not forget, that when the West Indies were are their peak,CA once paid BCCI so that they would stay home and West Indies could tour. I am certainly not a bcci supporter, but it’s not like it’s all about the Bcci doing damage.

Has BCCI ever paid Bangladesh for not inviting them like ever for ages?

Has BCCI made compensation to PCB for cheating them by first promising to have series with them and then pulling out countless times?

BCCI's list of sins is too big for righteous person like your bhaijaan to ignore.

 

[Pete Rose]

Has BCCI ever paid Bangladesh for not inviting them like ever for ages?

Has BCCI made compensation to PCB for cheating them by first promising to have series with them and then pulling out countless times?

BCCI's list of sins is too big for righteous person like your bhaijaan to ignore.

Notwithstanding the trolling, the PCB issue is a self goal for the most part

 

[Bilal7]

Utterly uninformed nonsense without a shred of evidence to support this.

Get your head out of the sand. Let's start with how the BCCI does not allow any of its players to play in foreign T20 leagues yet expects that other boards send their players over. After that, let's see you defend the two-month window for the IPL, the constant bullying of other boards like the WICB and PCB, whining about not being able to squeeze more money out of the associate members, refusal to implement the DRS for the longest time, etc.

The BCCI has made the players rich and itself even richer but the game of cricket has suffered like never before.

 

[Snak3eye5]

India has also done more harm to this beautiful game in 10 years than what England and Australia never did in 100 years. Cricket is no more a gentleman's game after BCCI made it all about money and using unfair means to have their way. The way India has treated Bangladesh all these years as an untouchable has been disgrace. The way India has conspired to hurt Pakistan cricket at every moment possible is unbecoming of a responsible power. India has looked at Pakistan after they became rich as if they were Sri Lanka or Bangladesh and not a proud cricket nation. You never heard of such behaviour from the Big 2 when they were the top dogs. Everyone was treated with respect and dignity in ICC back in the day which is the need of the hour.

You are pretty misguided. If it weren’t for India cricket would have all but vanished about know. India has infused new life into it and through Ipl brought more
Money into it.

 

[Napa]

<b>If</b> the BCCI had its way, the IPL would be the only cricket we'd be able to see outside of the World T20.

Not "if", but "when". Get with the program

 

[kingusama92]

There's no denying India's handling of cricket has been abysmal.

Continuous unwillingness to focus on the betterment of cricket (i.e. initially rejecting DRS, D/N tests, refusing IND-PAK games, restricting Indian participation in other T20 leagues) and driving all of the emphasis towards T20 cricket (IPL).

International cricket has become nothing more than a way to showcase their IPL stars.

 

[Convict]

tbh based on actions at least, the BCCI cares a lot more about keeping test cricket alive then people think.

 

[CanadianG00se]

There's no denying India's handling of cricket has been abysmal.

Continuous unwillingness to focus on the betterment of cricket (i.e. initially rejecting DRS, D/N tests, refusing IND-PAK games, restricting Indian participation in other T20 leagues) and driving all of the emphasis towards T20 cricket (IPL).

International cricket has become nothing more than a way to showcase their IPL stars.

How is refusing Indian players in other T20 leagues stopping othe nation to progress? Are you saying foreign leagues are dependent on Indian market?

England refused to allow its players initially but IPL went ahead and only now you see more and more English players. Same with Pakistan when PCB tried to bully BCCI, and we all know how that went.

BCCI had never stopped any nation to host their independent league, they do not have control over it, what they have control over is their assets which are the players.

 

[Gilly]

The only difference between BCCI and other boards is they have more money.

 

[kingusama92]

How is refusing Indian players in other T20 leagues stopping othe nation to progress? Are you saying foreign leagues are dependent on Indian market?

England refused to allow its players initially but IPL went ahead and only now you see more and more English players. Same with Pakistan when PCB tried to bully BCCI, and we all know how that went.

BCCI had never stopped any nation to host their independent league, they do not have control over it, what they have control over is their assets which are the players.

Simple question.

What's better for cricket's growth? India letting its players participate in other leagues or not? India playing with Pakistan or not? India playing D/N tests or not?

Everything about the BCCI is "me first" and it's pretty sad.

Other nations will indeed adapt to these new ways. They have to. However, that's no thanks to the BCCI and its deliberate selfishness.

There are two ways of ruling cricket:

1) Use Your Financial Clout To Bring Everyone Up
2) Use Your Financial Clout To Create A Wider Gap

India has gone with number two and deserves criticism. Like I said, the only reason India tosses a few breadcrumbs here and there is to showcase its IPL assets. Otherwise, they would have quickly distanced themselves from international cricket and likely pushed for a 5-6 month IPL season.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Get your head out of the sand. Let's start with how the BCCI does not allow any of its players to play in foreign T20 leagues yet expects that other boards send their players over. After that, let's see you defend the two-month window for the IPL, the constant bullying of other boards like the WICB and PCB, whining about not being able to squeeze more money out of the associate members, refusal to implement the DRS for the longest time, etc.

The BCCI has made the players rich and itself even richer but the game of cricket has suffered like never before.

1. What exactly have BCCI done to force players to play IPL?

2. Constant bullying ? We have done the WICB more favours than either CA or ECB and participating in useless Tri series in the Caribbean to help their cricket. BCCI saved your useless board the PCB from bankruptcy by touring in 2004.

BCCI only asked for their fair share of the revenues nothing more. Besides we actually tour the likes of ZIM,BD,SL, WI often to help them generate revenue. How often do ECB or CA do that ?

BCCI are a conservative organisation that accept change very slowly and a good thing too.

Anyway my point was not to defend the BCCI but the onus is on you to prove that unlike the BCCI the CA and the ECB have helped save cricket ? What evidence is there for that ?

 

[USofA]

Simple question.

What's better for cricket's growth? India letting its players participate in other leagues or not? India playing with Pakistan or not? India playing D/N tests or not?

Everything about the BCCI is "me first" and it's pretty sad.

Other nations will indeed adapt to these new ways. They have to. However, that's no thanks to the BCCI and its deliberate selfishness.

There are two ways of ruling cricket:

1) Use Your Financial Clout To Bring Everyone Up
2) Use Your Financial Clout To Create A Wider Gap

India has gone with number two and deserves criticism. Like I said, the only reason India tosses a few breadcrumbs here and there is to showcase its IPL assets. Otherwise, they would have quickly distanced themselves from international cricket and likely pushed for a 5-6 month IPL season.

There is nothing wrong in BCCI being "me first". It's only responsibility is towards Indian cricket and its own finances to run India cricket. I am sure all the other boards are the same way too, i.e. looking out for themselves.

Again there is nothing wrong in expanding IPL. If the fans demand and there is a viable market, then no issues. We live in a free world, for the most part. Let the market forces take care of things.

 

[silent ischemia]

1. What exactly have BCCI done to force players to play IPL?

2. Constant bullying ? We have done the WICB more favours than either CA or ECB and participating in useless Tri series in the Caribbean to help their cricket. BCCI saved your useless board the PCB from bankruptcy by touring in 2004.

BCCI only asked for their fair share of the revenues nothing more. Besides we actually tour the likes of ZIM,BD,SL, WI often to help them generate revenue. How often do ECB or CA do that ?

BCCI are a conservative organisation that accept change very slowly and a good thing too.

Anyway my point was not to defend the BCCI but the onus is on you to prove that unlike the BCCI the CA and the ECB have helped save cricket ? What evidence is there for that ?

Wow
So by not touring Pak in 2004 our cricket would not have existed.

 

[Bhaijaan]

tbh based on actions at least, the BCCI cares a lot more about keeping test cricket alive then people think.

What are those actions.

Shares with us Viccy.

 

[Bilal7]

Not "if", but "when". Get with the program

No, eventually the BCCI will be abandoned by everyone else and will assume their usual, traditional, subserviant position.

1. What exactly have BCCI done to force players to play IPL?

2. Constant bullying ? We have done the WICB more favours than either CA or ECB and participating in useless Tri series in the Caribbean to help their cricket. BCCI saved your useless board the PCB from bankruptcy by touring in 2004.

BCCI only asked for their fair share of the revenues nothing more. Besides we actually tour the likes of ZIM,BD,SL, WI often to help them generate revenue. How often do ECB or CA do that ?

BCCI are a conservative organisation that accept change very slowly and a good thing too.

Anyway my point was not to defend the BCCI but the onus is on you to prove that unlike the BCCI the CA and the ECB have helped save cricket ? What evidence is there for that ?

Ignoring all the drivel and coming to your "point". The evidence is that test cricket is still around as the premier format of the game. If the BCCI isn't eventually checked by all the other boards, there won't be any test cricket around in a few years. What's his name who is one of the big-shots of the IPL said so as much in a recent interview.

 

[Convict]

What are those actions.

Shares with us Viccy.

I don't recall the BCCI ever cutting test series short to fit in more ODIs and T20s (despite the latter being more profitable for them). In fact India is still playing big 4-5 test series.
They pay test only specialists like Pujara good wages on national contracts.
Afghanistan are playing their first test match in India (not a very profitable game for the BCCI).

Some on PP and also on Australian forums would like to claim that the BCCI is trying to kill off test cricket but to me the BCCI itself is being supportive of test cricket. I certainly can't think of any actions the BCCI has made to try and kill off test cricket.

 

[Ab Fan]

I don't recall the BCCI ever cutting test series short to fit in more ODIs and T20s (despite the latter being more profitable for them). In fact India is still playing big 4-5 test series.
They pay test only specialists like Pujara good wages on national contracts.
Afghanistan are playing their first test match in India (not a very profitable game for the BCCI).

Some on PP and also on Australian forums would like to claim that the BCCI is trying to kill off test cricket but to me the BCCI itself is being supportive of test cricket. I certainly can't think of any actions the BCCI has made to try and kill off test cricket.

And your opinion on opting out of D/N test in Australia this year?

 

[Bilal7]

There is nothing wrong in BCCI being "me first". It's only responsibility is towards Indian cricket and its own finances to run India cricket. I am sure all the other boards are the same way too, i.e. looking out for themselves.

Again there is nothing wrong in expanding IPL. If the fans demand and there is a viable market, then no issues. We live in a free world, for the most part. Let the market forces take care of things.

This is what I meant. The BCCI is all about itself which will eventually kill cricket. The Australians and the English, for all their faults as cricket administrators, did bring up at least 7-8 cricket boards with it and weren't simply in it for themselves.

Good to see at least some people aren't pretending. The BCCI has been a horrible leader.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Also helps that India is a top ranked test outfit led by a player who takes the format most seriously to the point that he plans to play county cricket to improve his game.

On the other hand we have "smaller" boards reducing test matches and playing more T20s, allowing their biggest stars to "manage their work load" by playing fewer tests.

Goes to show which board values what.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Cricket progressed and reached countries like india and pakistan thanks to england and australia for that. Even that they ruled cricket their objective was to promote cricket and globalise it. They created all these rules and made cricket one of the most popular sport in countries like india and pakistan. What separates Eng and Aus from countries like Ind and Pak is the professionalism.

BCCI on the other hand is greedy and self centered. Game will never progress under them. They are only going to fill their bank accounts with enormous amount of money due to India's population.

BCCI sure knows how to exploit something and make money but they can't invent anything new and give it to cricket. Cricket was invented by England, then odi's, t20's, DRS, day night test cricket were invented by aus and eng. What did BCCI do other than first objecting to DRS for many years and then accepting it in the end. And they are doing the same with day night test cricket.

 

[USofA]

This is what I meant. The BCCI is all about itself which will eventually kill cricket. The Australians and the English, for all their faults as cricket administrators, did bring up at least 7-8 cricket boards with it and weren't simply in it for themselves.

Good to see at least some people aren't pretending. The BCCI has been a horrible leader.

Aus. & Eng. had 100 years. BCCI has only been doing this for what 10-15 years. It's only fair to give them another 85-90 years, who knows how many they can bring up.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

tbh based on actions at least, the BCCI cares a lot more about keeping test cricket alive then people think.

No, eventually the BCCI will be abandoned by everyone else and will assume their usual, traditional, subserviant position.



Ignoring all the drivel and coming to your "point". The evidence is that test cricket is still around as the premier format of the game. If the BCCI isn't eventually checked by all the other boards, there won't be any test cricket around in a few years. What's his name who is one of the big-shots of the IPL said so as much in a recent interview.

unlike PCB , Bcci don't beg boards to reduce tests and include ODIs and T20's. We play more tests than any nation apart from England and Australia and are now playing AFG despite there being no financial benefit for us.

 

[BlackShadow]

The anti-India sentiment in this forum has reached an embarrassing level in the last few months. BCCI is among handful of boards making Test Cricket their number 1 priority. BCCI is generating most of the revenue keeping every single format in good health. BCCI is the reason associates are getting handouts in millions.

Deano is spot on here, I really don't see how one can argue against that.

 

[BlackShadow]

No, eventually the BCCI will be abandoned by everyone else and will assume their usual, traditional, subserviant position.



Ignoring all the drivel and coming to your "point". The evidence is that test cricket is still around as the premier format of the game. If the BCCI isn't eventually checked by all the other boards, there won't be any test cricket around in a few years. What's his name who is one of the big-shots of the IPL said so as much in a recent interview.

What Test Cricket lacks today is competitive Pakistan, WI and Sri Lankan sides. BCCI isn't the reason that these countries have been reduced to a minnow level. If anything, BCCI taking control of these incompetent boards will be the biggest blessing for Cricket.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The anti-India sentiment in this forum has reached an embarrassing level in the last few months. BCCI is among handful of boards making Test Cricket their number 1 priority. BCCI is generating most of the revenue keeping every single format in good health. BCCI is the reason associates are getting handouts in millions.

Deano is spot on here, I really don't see how one can argue against that.

It's a Pakistani forum and BCCI follows policies designed to harm Pakistan cricket. What were you expecting, a round of applause?

 

[cricketjoshila]

There's no denying India's handling of cricket has been abysmal.

Continuous unwillingness to focus on the betterment of cricket (i.e. initially rejecting DRS, D/N tests, refusing IND-PAK games, restricting Indian participation in other T20 leagues) and driving all of the emphasis towards T20 cricket (IPL).

International cricket has become nothing more than a way to showcase their IPL stars.

India rejected DRS because it wanted a fully automated Hawk Eye. When that happened they accepted the DRS.

Bcci has no control ovet GOI. Govt has refused permission for bilateral Indo-Pak matches.

India plays fewer T20 matches. Infact India wanted a CT in 2021 while other teams wanted a T20 WC.

Bcci pays its players a huge amount of money plus the IPL pays them a big sum. So financially they are secured.

Leagues like Bbl or SA league happen during Indian home season so ofcourse Indian players wont anywhere else.

And Indian players will never ever play in PSL.

How does Indian players not playing other leagues affect world cricket?

 

[cricketjoshila]

No, eventually the BCCI will be abandoned by everyone else and will assume their usual, traditional, subserviant position.



Ignoring all the drivel and coming to your "point". The evidence is that test cricket is still around as the premier format of the game. If the BCCI isn't eventually checked by all the other boards, there won't be any test cricket around in a few years. What's his name who is one of the big-shots of the IPL said so as much in a recent interview.

More chances of everyone abandoning PCB than Bcci.

Bcci isnt pcb that it will be subservient.

Bcci is the only board apart from Ecb and CA that regularly plays 3-4 test series a year.

 

[Convict]

And your opinion on opting out of D/N test in Australia this year?

Disappointing but imo its reasonable for a team to choose the option that maximises their chances of winning.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Simple question.

What's better for cricket's growth? India letting its players participate in other leagues or not? India playing with Pakistan or not? India playing D/N tests or not?

Everything about the BCCI is "me first" and it's pretty sad.

Other nations will indeed adapt to these new ways. They have to. However, that's no thanks to the BCCI and its deliberate selfishness.

There are two ways of ruling cricket:

1) Use Your Financial Clout To Bring Everyone Up
2) Use Your Financial Clout To Create A Wider Gap

India has gone with number two and deserves criticism. Like I said, the only reason India tosses a few breadcrumbs here and there is to showcase its IPL assets. Otherwise, they would have quickly distanced themselves from international cricket and likely pushed for a 5-6 month IPL season.

Its not the responsibility of BCCI to bring other nations up. If they are incompetent then its their own fault why blame BCCI for that. Did any one helped BCCI to come up where they are right now? BIG NO.

BCCI worked hard to tap into their own market and now they are reaping rewards for their hardwork. Why should everyone else just get easy money? Make them work for it.

You sound like everyone else here just blindly blame BCCI for anything they do and they dont.

First of all, BCCI gave a valid reason why they do not want to play D/N test, as it doesnt includes for test championship, so is that BCCI’s fault or ICC’s?
Secondly, BCCI not allowing Indian players in other league is to ensure their own product do not get diluted, in other words they are protecting their interest nothing wrong with it, its pure Business.

Lastly, BCCI do not have power to overrule Govt Of India, not sure how things goes in Pakistan, but in India its the Govt’s decision is final and cannnot be challenged.

I wont be surprised if BCCI indeed go on to make 5-6month long IPL maybe 15 years down the road. Lets face it, Bilateral cricket is dying quickly, smaller nations arent even worthy of live broadcast (see Aus-BD series) and I do not see anytime soon Ireland getting invited to India, maybe not in next 20 years. Even till today BD is not really attractive team for BCCI. SL and Windies are on freefall, Zim is like dead goose, and Pakistan is still struggling to get cricket back home. I personally think in order for cricket to becom truly global, they need to adopt Football league system and Worldcup every 4 year. This nation vs nation hasnt worked in last 100 years, and I do not see it working in next 100 years either.

 

[Bilal7]

What Test Cricket lacks today is competitive Pakistan, WI and Sri Lankan sides. BCCI isn't the reason that these countries have been reduced to a minnow level. If anything, BCCI taking control of these incompetent boards will be the biggest blessing for Cricket.

Looks like the wounds of the CT final still haven't healed. It's okay, give it time. A 180 run thrashing in an ICC final can be tough to digest.

As for WICB and SLCB, the English and Australians turned them into powerhouses while a few years of the BCCI in the hot seat has seen them fall far.

unlike PCB , Bcci don't beg boards to reduce tests and include ODIs and T20's. We play more tests than any nation apart from England and Australia and are now playing AFG despite there being no financial benefit for us.

No, BCCI reduces whole tours because of personal agendas. Remember why India only played two tests in South Africa in 2013? Lol, so you're saying that even with all that cash, England and Australia still play more tests than India? Yeah, definitely shows that the BCCI is looking out for test cricket.

Even recently, they skipped playing a Boxing Day test against South Africa because the cricketing holy grail of ODIs and T20s against Sri Lanka were more important.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Simple question.

What's better for cricket's growth? India letting its players participate in other leagues or not? India playing with Pakistan or not? India playing D/N tests or not?

Everything about the BCCI is "me first" and it's pretty sad.

Other nations will indeed adapt to these new ways. They have to. However, that's no thanks to the BCCI and its deliberate selfishness.

There are two ways of ruling cricket:

1) Use Your Financial Clout To Bring Everyone Up
2) Use Your Financial Clout To Create A Wider Gap

India has gone with number two and deserves criticism. Like I said, the only reason India tosses a few breadcrumbs here and there is to showcase its IPL assets. Otherwise, they would have quickly distanced themselves from international cricket and likely pushed for a 5-6 month IPL season.

Wholeheartedly agreed.

India could send its star players on world tours to promote cricket. They have all the money in the world to do that but they choose not to.

The additional revenue BCCI generates, they can always use a portion of it to finance cricket growth in African countries.

Instead of letting Afghanistan play in Noida, BCCI could finance building a world class cricket stadium in Agghanistan, even GOT can support that but it never happened.

Bollywood does its annual IIFA awards around the globe. BCCI can collaborate in them in bringing cricket along with bollywood to those countries.

All these things are easy to do. All it takes is creativity and the will to do so which BCCI has been lacking.

 

[Bilal7]

More chances of everyone abandoning PCB than Bcci.

Bcci isnt pcb that it will be subservient.

Bcci is the only board apart from Ecb and CA that regularly plays 3-4 test series a year.

The PCB isn't bullying anyone and is no threat to any other board. There is no need to kick it out of the ICC but the BCCI is in the crosshairs.

 

[Bhaijaan]

BCCI & Indians in general need to understand that the money that BCCI generates belongs to world cricket because had it not been for England introducing cricket to Indians during British rule, there would not have been a cricket economy in India.

All cricket nations have a stake in BCCI's wealth which it is unwilling to share with all.

 

[Bilal7]

Cricket progressed and reached countries like india and pakistan thanks to england and australia for that. Even that they ruled cricket their objective was to promote cricket and globalise it. They created all these rules and made cricket one of the most popular sport in countries like india and pakistan. What separates Eng and Aus from countries like Ind and Pak is the professionalism.

BCCI on the other hand is greedy and self centered. Game will never progress under them. They are only going to fill their bank accounts with enormous amount of money due to India's population.

BCCI sure knows how to exploit something and make money but they can't invent anything new and give it to cricket. Cricket was invented by England, then odi's, t20's, DRS, day night test cricket were invented by aus and eng. What did BCCI do other than first objecting to DRS for many years and then accepting it in the end. And they are doing the same with day night test cricket.

Brilliant post as usual. It surprised that there were people asking how England and Australia have helped world cricket. If these guys adopted a selfish attitude way back when and just cared about strengthning county cricket, India and the rest wouldn't even have national teams.

 

[kuskash]

Looking at these posts looks like BCCI does not do anything positive or has not done anything positive. Still they are the boss. Either they are not boss or these posts which criticize BCCI are utterly wrong.

 

[Snak3eye5]

BCCI & Indians in general need to understand that the money that BCCI generates belongs to world cricket because had it not been for England introducing cricket to Indians during British rule, there would not have been a cricket economy in India.

All cricket nations have a stake in BCCI's wealth which it is unwilling to share with all.

You’re kidding right ? At the end of the day Indian cricket is a business run by professionals who only care about its players it’s own organization and markets predominantly to Indians. It’s not a charity that it has to care about other countries and as another deluded poster pointed out care about building a cricket stadium in Afghanistan or some other country.

The long term vision most likely will be Indian Ipl extending to 5-6 months with more teams added and Indians primarily playing themselves.

 

[Vildoc]

What Mr. Jones has said is very true. Indian $$$ pretty much runs cricket. It has made numerous players multi-millionaires. Not just their own players, but players around the world. It has changed players lives.

More money in the game is good. Will attract more talented players to the sport. Which will make watching the game that much better. All in all a very good thing for the sport.

Just take the example of the IPL. There were around 10-11 players from England playing in the IPL this year. The combined amount from the auction was around 5-6 million dollars. The ECB got a payout of 20% i.e is around a million dollars just by tweedling their thumbs.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's quite simple, this is a Pakistani site, if you are a Pakistan fan the question you will ask yourself is, would England or Australia be better for Pakistan cricket than the BCCI. The answer is quite clearly YES as BCCI is following Indian govt objective of harming Pakistan's cricket.

I would like to confirm this is a biased opinion.

 

[HitWicket]

Just take the example of the IPL. There were around 10-11 players from England playing in the IPL this year. The combined amount from the auction was around 5-6 million dollars. The ECB got a payout of 20% i.e is around a million dollars just by tweedling their thumbs.

Don't they only get the 20% if the player is available for the entire tournament?

 

[Mr.Q]

The BCCI is primarily motivated by money, yes. Most boards nowadays are. It needs to increase the popularity of cricket to maximise the money making potential. That’s what it is doing in small cities of India through initiatives like IPL fan parks. So going by what the BCCI is doing right now, it’ll only try to increase the popularity of cricket.

And money is something that attracts people. More money will attract more people as it’ll get distributed to lower tiers of cricket as well. Financial security is very important for everyone.

BCCI is reluctant to bring changes to the game, which is often not a good thing. But it never affected anybody else. And you don’t have to be a BCCI to bring some innovation to the game. Some of you guys talk as if BCCI is going to replace the ICC with itself and rule over world cricket. Other boards will always have relevance.

Dean Jones was talking about BCCI becoming the dominant force in world cricket, which it already is actually. I don’t see any harm being done.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's quite simple, this is a Pakistani site, if you are a Pakistan fan the question you will ask yourself is, would England or Australia be better for Pakistan cricket than the BCCI. The answer is quite clearly YES as BCCI is following Indian govt objective of harming Pakistan's cricket.

I would like to confirm this is a biased opinion.

This is about world cricket and who is leading it.

Lets suppose England or Australia is leading the cricketing world, can they arm twist bcci into playing Pakistan without the GOI's permission? I dont think so.

If thats the issue for pakistanis then it really doesnot matter who leads the cricketing world.

 

[Zahid87]

The difference being that England and Australia kept cricket alive while India is doing its best to kill it. If the BCCI had its way, the IPL would be the only cricket we'd be able to see outside of the World T20.

This is utter nonsense. CA and the ECB only really care about money, just like the BCCI - they are just a bit less ostentatious. But don't worry, the BCCi is noveau riche, give them time, and they will also learn to hide their lust for money too.

And secondly, CA and the ECB historically have developed cricket as a way of playing each other. The whole way international cricket was designed was to allow these two countries to play each other, while other sides provided some match practice in the off season. Eventually, the other sides developed over time - but the attitude still remains the same - listen to Botham on sky linking every tour as an opportunity to test players for the forthcoming Ashes.

Looks like the wounds of the CT final still haven't healed. It's okay, give it time. A 180 run thrashing in an ICC final can be tough to digest.

As for WICB and SLCB, the English and Australians turned them into powerhouses while a few years of the BCCI in the hot seat has seen them fall far.

What correlation has the performance of these two teams got to do with the running of the ICC by the ECB and CA?

Look, as Cpt.Rishwat says, opinion will be biased. That is expected. But lets not re-invent history here to prove a point.

 

[USofA]

Wholeheartedly agreed.

India could send its star players on world tours to promote cricket. They have all the money in the world to do that but they choose not to.

The additional revenue BCCI generates, they can always use a portion of it to finance cricket growth in African countries.

Instead of letting Afghanistan play in Noida, BCCI could finance building a world class cricket stadium in Agghanistan, even GOT can support that but it never happened.

Bollywood does its annual IIFA awards around the globe. BCCI can collaborate in them in bringing cricket along with bollywood to those countries.

All these things are easy to do. All it takes is creativity and the will to do so which BCCI has been lacking.

Some good suggestions to promote the game. But replace BCCI with ICC. It is the ICC's job to do all this not the BCCI. BCCI, as well as other boards should look out for the betterment of their cricket. That is their job. If cricket is promoted as a result of what they do, then good for the game.

 

[USofA]

BCCI & Indians in general need to understand that the money that BCCI generates belongs to world cricket because had it not been for England introducing cricket to Indians during British rule, there would not have been a cricket economy in India.

All cricket nations have a stake in BCCI's wealth which it is unwilling to share with all.

Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you saying that the $4+ billion that the BCCI will generate over the next 5 years should go directly to the ICC coffers? What happens next, the ICC takes all that money and uses it as it pleases? The BCCI has no say?

 

[kingusama92]

Its not the responsibility of BCCI to bring other nations up. If they are incompetent then its their own fault why blame BCCI for that. Did any one helped BCCI to come up where they are right now? BIG NO.

BCCI worked hard to tap into their own market and now they are reaping rewards for their hardwork. Why should everyone else just get easy money? Make them work for it.

You sound like everyone else here just blindly blame BCCI for anything they do and they dont.

First of all, BCCI gave a valid reason why they do not want to play D/N test, as it doesnt includes for test championship, so is that BCCI’s fault or ICC’s?
Secondly, BCCI not allowing Indian players in other league is to ensure their own product do not get diluted, in other words they are protecting their interest nothing wrong with it, its pure Business.

Lastly, BCCI do not have power to overrule Govt Of India, not sure how things goes in Pakistan, but in India its the Govt’s decision is final and cannnot be challenged.

I wont be surprised if BCCI indeed go on to make 5-6month long IPL maybe 15 years down the road. Lets face it, Bilateral cricket is dying quickly, smaller nations arent even worthy of live broadcast (see Aus-BD series) and I do not see anytime soon Ireland getting invited to India, maybe not in next 20 years. Even till today BD is not really attractive team for BCCI. SL and Windies are on freefall, Zim is like dead goose, and Pakistan is still struggling to get cricket back home. I personally think in order for cricket to becom truly global, they need to adopt Football league system and Worldcup every 4 year. This nation vs nation hasnt worked in last 100 years, and I do not see it working in next 100 years either.

Who created the ICC? Who welcomed India into the fold?

It was England and Australia.

India was getting smashed around right after partition. But England/Australia funded their cricket, sent teams over, and continued to work with the local officials.

These were boards that wanted to grow the game while making money. It's always easier to be selfish. These boards could have drained all of the talent in India and built up county cricket into their version of the EPL (English Premier League).

Modern-day India has gone in a different direction while following the "its just business" mantra for every self-centered decision it makes. The BCCI has every right to do what it does but that also brings along with it the criticism you're reading now.

I don't fault the BCCI for what it does but I certainly cannot condone/appreciate it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is about world cricket and who is leading it.

Lets suppose England or Australia is leading the cricketing world, can they arm twist bcci into playing Pakistan without the GOI's permission? I dont think so.

If thats the issue for pakistanis then it really doesnot matter who leads the cricketing world.

It matters to Pakistan fans because with BCCI's hostile stance towards Pakistan driven by political agendas nothing to do with cricket, it is important for us that leadership doesn't pass to BCCI. Leadership needs to be seen as fair and above board with no bias against any other country. At the moment India is restricted to refusing to play against Pakistan and keeping them out of the IPL. If they were given leadership they could mess with Pakistan's itineraries, tours and participation in other tournaments not to mention various other matters like distribution of funds.

England and Australia aren't perfect but at least they try to give the impression of impartiality.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It matters to Pakistan fans because with BCCI's hostile stance towards Pakistan driven by political agendas nothing to do with cricket, it is important for us that leadership doesn't pass to BCCI. Leadership needs to be seen as fair and above board with no bias against any other country. At the moment India is restricted to refusing to play against Pakistan and keeping them out of the IPL. If they were given leadership they could mess with Pakistan's itineraries, tours and participation in other tournaments not to mention various other matters like distribution of funds.

England and Australia aren't perfect but at least they try to give the impression of impartiality.

Leadership is not given its taken. Bcci already is the leader, just that its currently shackled by the CoA and hence cant exercise its powers.

 

[Bilal7]

This is utter nonsense. CA and the ECB only really care about money, just like the BCCI - they are just a bit less ostentatious. But don't worry, the BCCi is noveau riche, give them time, and they will also learn to hide their lust for money too.

And secondly, CA and the ECB historically have developed cricket as a way of playing each other. The whole way international cricket was designed was to allow these two countries to play each other, while other sides provided some match practice in the off season. Eventually, the other sides developed over time - but the attitude still remains the same - listen to Botham on sky linking every tour as an opportunity to test players for the forthcoming Ashes.



What correlation has the performance of these two teams got to do with the running of the ICC by the ECB and CA?

Look, as Cpt.Rishwat says, opinion will be biased. That is expected. But lets not re-invent history here to prove a point.

Who cares what Botham says? He's a fan and ex-player, not one of their administrators of the past who brought the game to places like the subcontinent and the West Indies. The BCCI is bringing the game to India and nowhere else. Forget about expanding it, they're trying to kill it off in established markets.

 

[cr7great]

when will COA leave bcci?
2-3 years
it will be interesting battle between bcci and icc
after bcci becomes free from COA

 

[Napa]

No, eventually the BCCI will be abandoned by everyone else and will assume their usual, traditional, subserviant position.

Eventually Bilal7 will realize the futility of his delusions that BCCI will not be abandoned by other boards who want Indian money... or maybe he will keep his delusions forever.

 

[MenInG]

Keep this to the topic at hand.