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England beat India by 227 runs in the 1st Test in Chennai

Even kohli will not be able to survive as he is out of form/touch which ever way one will call. So, all in all, 3.5 weak players India have in contrast to India Eng are looking like India in Australia - playing stoically, per the situation.
 
ind_win said:
Anderson bowling well probably the best in his career vs India without clouds (in these conditions). And Indian batsmen totally misjuding the lengths. That apart - this is the 36 all out moment for India. Under Kohli never chased well. And finally even having one weaklink is bad against good teams and India had two (now three with rahane) rohit and Nadeem. Thank you kohli for the selections.
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He performed well in India 2012, I remember him performing outstandingly in UAE and his recent 6fer against SL.
 
I think England is going to win was going to say that earlier, England are just better at closing out games than Australia.
 
James said:
“Clouderson”
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I hope he tours PAK in 2022. Would love to see him in PAK. Some people just push their boundaries and the game as they mature more with experience.

He’s not as quick, touching 130kph here, but that has meant zilch for keeping it out.

Good to see someone actually demonstrating control on reverse for a change.
 
India need left right hand combo. So, should better play Pant at 5 or Sundar at that position and demote Rahane to no.7 as he can't be dropped.
 
Giannis said:
I think England is going to win was going to say that earlier, England are just better at closing out games than Australia.
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Pitch turning square, uneven bounce and reverse swing also on offer here. Very different to the day 5 Sydney and Gabba pitches.

Can't really compare England and Australia based on this.
 
Giannis said:
I think England is going to win was going to say that earlier, England are just better at closing out games than Australia.
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Difference surface. Eng won't close anything on a flat surface.
 
Jimmy clouderson bowls 2 reverse swinging snorters

Anderson haters get a tight slap.
 
Giannis said:
I think England is going to win was going to say that earlier, England are just better at closing out games than Australia.
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In fairness, the conditions will not present as much of level bounce as they did in AUS. Would expect more grip too for spinners. So purely conditions wise, this would be harder for IND to survive.

The only counter is that ENG’s spinners overall are not as good as Lyon. That was probably the only factor to make this a doable but tough task for IND.

However post Anderson’s spell this may have changed. Archer and Stokes will need to bowl straight as the ball is going at shin height.
 
Something about Indian batsmen that makes them good players of bounce and true pitches but ordinary against swing and sideways movement
 
Pointless for Root to bowl his spinners. He is not confident attacking with them using the field nor does he trust their ability to dry the runs.

May just try and use Stokes/Archer to bowl at the stumps with Jimmy to get a few more.
 
Yk313 said:
In fairness, the conditions will not present as much of level bounce as they did in AUS. Would expect more grip too for spinners. So purely conditions wise, this would be harder for IND to survive.

The only counter is that ENG’s spinners overall are not as good as Lyon. That was probably the only factor to make this a doable but tough task for IND.

However post Anderson’s spell this may have changed. Archer and Stokes will need to bowl straight as the ball is going at shin height.
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If Eng simply bowls on the wicket, there is no way India can survive a full day here.
 
Yk313 said:
Pointless for Root to bowl his spinners. He is not confident attacking with them using the field nor does he trust their ability to dry the runs.

May just try and use Stokes/Archer to bowl at the stumps with Jimmy to get a few more.
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I am not sure why Root cares about runs here. Just block singles and bowl spinners. So much turn and bounce is there. Wickets will come sooner or later.
 
Rahane is one of the most overrated batsman india has produced.
All on king kohli now.
 
Buffet said:
I am not sure why Root cares about runs here. Just block singles and bowl spinners. So much turn and bounce is there. Wickets will come sooner or later.
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As much as he’s shut people up with his batting recently, he’ll invite so many questions regarding his captaincy.

He’s skippering as if there are bonus points for economy/RR that he wants to secure, at the cost of drawing the game.

If IND start getting close, he can always got defensive later on. This has just been bizarre.
 
Why would Root not continue with Leach? He bowled two beauties to dismiss Sharma and Pujara.
 
Loved what Buttler just did.
Last ball of the over and he asked Root to give Kohli the single so he is on strike against Anderson.
 
The Indian team under Kohli & before him under Dhoni from 2012 got exposed by off spinners. As if that shame (shame because India are expected to play spin well) is not enough Kohli's role in Indian team selection is worst even after SA series which India shouldn't have lost. And to top it all, the Indian spinners in India, apart from Ashwin & Jadeja aren't performing well. Why kuldeep was not selected is another mystery.
 
Yk313 said:
As much as he’s shut people up with his batting recently, he’ll invite so many questions regarding his captaincy.

He’s skippering as if there are bonus points for economy/RR that he wants to secure, at the cost of drawing the game.

If IND start getting close, he can always got defensive later on. This has just been bizarre.
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This whole notion of India chasing 400+ in this pitch is bit too much. Root was super defensive even in the first inning and batted even on 3rd day. Anyway, Eng should win here despite his poor captaincy.
 
England all over India. However, until that nerd Ashwin is there, India can still draw this.
 
England’s lack of quality spinners will ensure india win the series I think. Bess is ok. Leach meh
 
Slog said:
England’s lack of quality spinners will ensure india win the series I think. Bess is ok. Leach meh
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Bess seems to have a knack of picking up lucky/cheap 1st innings wickets, but he then gets exposed and bowls rubbish in the 2nd innings.

Leach meanwhile absolutely sucks in the 1st innings, then he tends to make a 2nd innings comeback with some crucial scalps.

Neither are consistent or reliable enough at all.
 
Please tell me everyone saw the set up of Pant from Jimmy coming? Talent is good, experience with talent is better.

Really hope he tours PAK in 2022 and children get to see him in person.
 
Slog said:
England’s lack of quality spinners will ensure india win the series I think. Bess is ok. Leach meh
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I think spinners look worse than they are due to the super defensive field despite having so many runs. Leach did produce unplayable deliveries.
 
At least 250 runs defeat for us. Serves that egomaniac Kohli well.
 
James said:
Bess seems to have a knack of picking up lucky/cheap 1st innings, but then he get exposed and bowls rubbish in the 2nd innings.

Leach meanwhile absolutely sucks in the 1st innings, and tends to make a 2nd innings comeback with some crucial scalps.

Neither are consistent or reliable enough at all.
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Yea Bess is getting wickets eventhough I’m not impressed with him much overall. So gotta give him that.

I wouldn’t say Bess is picking cheap wickets. He’s getting proper top order batsmen. It’s more like there doesn’t seem to be a set plan that he seems to be following which means you really can’t put a whole lot of trust in him.
 
Lol at the indian fans who tried to discredit Root*s effort by blaming the pitch.
What a performance from England.
 
One of the difference between this series and last series is catching. Don't expect England fielders to give freebies like Australia did which affected the outcome of that series. :inti
 
MP2011 said:
At least 250 runs defeat for us. Serves that egomaniac Kohli well.
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Yaar uss ne kya ghalat kya iss match main. Apart from his batting performance and fort that lot of people guilty
 
Surely this has to be the greatest Test win by England in Asia, ever?

To do what they have done against the GOAT Asian Test team that too when their confidence was sky high after doing what they did in Australia only a few weeks back is simply incredible.

About time Joe Root starts getting discussed among the best contemporary captains. His record is great but no one talks about his leadership. Everyone is busy drooling over Williamson.
 
Buffet said:
This whole notion of India chasing 400+ in this pitch is bit too much. Root was super defensive even in the first inning and batted even on 3rd day. Anyway, Eng should win here despite his poor captaincy.
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Too many hair gone white having watched this wonderful sport and I try not to rule things out, make elaborate predictions, past revisions/comparisons with hindsight.

This is just one of them. Not so much an indication of chances of chasing but more about the number of options on the table even if the low probability outcome looks like materialising.
 
ethan hunt said:
Lol at the indian fans who tried to discredit Root*s effort by blaming the pitch.
What a performance from England.
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]’s right. Lot of them were very arrogant and were acting as if a 600 for them is a bygone conclusion...
 
First ball of his new spell from Dom Bess, and bowls a full toss which goes for four, then drags one down for another four. Absolute garbage
 
Buffet said:
I think spinners look worse than they are due to the super defensive field despite having so many runs. Leach did produce unplayable deliveries.
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I think Root feels that Bess/Leach will either bowl the unplayable ones or really poor ones.

He’s not counting on them to build pressure and take wickets and he starts panicking if he does not build some momentum.

Not sure why though, he’s got a lot of cushion.
 
Slog said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]’s right. Lot of them were very arrogant and were acting as if a 600 for them is a bygone conclusion...
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There were many who were humble and also gave praise when due....many who actually enjoy the sport for what it is....
 
Slog said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]’s right. Lot of them were very arrogant and were acting as if a 600 for them is a bygone conclusion...
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This. Lot of our fans haven't given England the credit they deserve in this test. However you've to agree it was a huge toss to win for them.
 
Really poor attitude from another youngster from India.

Why walk when England takes the review. If you want to walk, walk when they appeal. And if you have decided to stay, then respect the umpire and wait for him to give you out after DRS.
 
MP2011 said:
He is a panauti for us as captain.
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Man that is not legitimate logic and no grounds to sack someone lmao.

But I agree overall rahane seems to be a captain who is more proactive and in control.

Kohli must be secretly happy that Rahane failed with bat so less grounds to give him serious consideration as a captaincy option
 
Pathetic batting from Rahane, Rohit and Pujara. No willingness to fight it out.

It is now proven that to beat India, you need swing or seam. Bounce and fast pitches have become bread and butter for them.
 
ethan hunt said:
Lol at the indian fans who tried to discredit Root*s effort by blaming the pitch.
What a performance from England.
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His first innings was on much easier conditions . But bossed our spinners in second innings though. We might have to create some plans against him.
 
Indian pitches become proper 5th day bunsen burners unlike pakistani pitches.
 
guna said:
Pathetic batting from Rahane, Rohit and Pujara. No willingness to fight it out.

It is now proven that to beat India, you need swing or seam. Bounce and fast pitches have become bread and butter for them.
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We are touring England next. :inti
 
Slog said:
Man that is not legitimate logic and no grounds to sack someone lmao.

But I agree overall rahane seems to be a captain who is more proactive and in control.

Kohli must be secretly happy that Rahane failed with bat so less grounds to give him serious consideration as a captaincy option
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He has lost us so many winnable tests and ODIs under his captaincy it's not even funny anymore.
 
Mobashir said:
Really poor attitude from another youngster from India.

Why walk when England takes the review. If you want to walk, walk when they appeal. And if you have decided to stay, then respect the umpire and wait for him to give you out after DRS.
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Lol. What? Most of folks walk now in the DRS era if they are sure that they have hit it and other sides have reviews left. You would look a like a fool otherwise.
 
That is why Hassan Ali was impressive yesterday, rare now to see bowlers pull off reverse swing with this accuracy.
 
Is india playing in India or England playing like India.😂

Yeh tu wohi baat hogai. Fell in your own trap.
 
Slog said:
Man that is not legitimate logic and no grounds to sack someone lmao.

But I agree overall rahane seems to be a captain who is more proactive and in control.

Kohli must be secretly happy that Rahane failed with bat so less grounds to give him serious consideration as a captaincy option
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Rahane should be dropped. Apart from his one 100 against Australia he hasn't done anything special. He should create an account on Dream 11 and fulfill his captaincy dreams there. He is not making it into this Indian team as a batsman let alone as a captain. He is our Asad Shafiq. :inti
 
Why India dont go for green wickets they have a v good fast bowling attack. Spinners trap is something gora teams now learned how to do well on spin tracks.
 
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