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Pakistan should aim for 3-0 because anything less than that would be an embarrassment.

This is a remarkably depleted squad.

The only players of note that I see here are Stokes, Malan, Saqib Mahmood and Lewis Gregory.

2-1 will be best possible result. There is no way we are clean sweeping. We managed to loose even against Zimbabwe. The fact is our players don't play at their beat against depleted sides
 
Don't be too sure, this has some good names in it still like Zack Crawley, Ben Duckett, Phil Salt, Dawaid Malan so it's not exactly a full on B team. Some really good names in terms of batting i would say, but bowling wise it's next to nothing, wouldn't really rate Saqib. Bowling looks well depleted.

I disagree. The majority of these guys would struggle to make even the second XI England side. The England ODI side is absolutely packed. Someone like Sam Billings would be on the bench on most days, and he is a very good player that is more experienced than most of the guys in this squad. This is essentially England Lions with a bit of county boys sprinkled on top.

I mentioned Malan. Vince is another name who I could see in an England squad. Saqib has ofcourse played for England and done well for England Lions. But other than that there's very little to talk about here...
 
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2-1 will be best possible result. There is no way we are clean sweeping. We managed to loose even against Zimbabwe. The fact is our players don't play at their beat against depleted sides

I'm not talking about what the result will be, I'm talking about what the result should be. These are basically like practice matches that touring teams have with the home A teams before the start of a tour. You don't expect touring teams to lose those matches.
 
England playing xi.
the bowling is poor the batting is okay at best.


Vince
Zak Crawley
Malan
Stokes
Ducket
Lawrence
Gregory
Briggs
Saqib Mahmood
Brydon Carse
David Payne
 
We beat South africa so I fully expect pakistan to beat such a depleted England side .
 
This is the perfect time for Saud to debut. Weak opponent bowling attack and on easier ODI pitches. Haris is probably injured. Hopefully he can cash in on debut if he makes it.
 
I disagree. The majority of these guys would struggle to make even the second XI England side. The England ODI side is absolutely packed. Someone like Sam Billings would be on the bench on most days, and he is a very good player that is more experienced than most of the guys in this squad. This is essentially England Lions with a bit of county boys sprinkled on top.

I mentioned Malan. Vince is another name who I could see in an England squad. Saqib has ofcourse played for England and done well for England Lions. But other than that there's very little to talk about here...

We'll see what happens but i reckon it's 2-1 now in Pak's favour. Can't blame Pak for this whole situation, just bad luck for England. Hopefully Pak doesn't get complacent and take this challenge lightly.
 
This is the perfect time for Saud to debut. Weak opponent bowling attack and on easier ODI pitches. Haris is probably injured. Hopefully he can cash in on debut if he makes it.

I would include Abdullah and saud imaam can be rested but not dropped.
 
This England team may not be strong, but its not bad either. There are some solid players, Saqib Mahmood, James Vince, Dawid Malan and Ben Stokes are all known to the Pakistan audience and fans.

Danny Briggs isn't a bad spinner, sure his career hasn't progressed well but he's still decent spinner and in England, he will be handful.

John Simpson is a wicket keeper batsman that is a solid player and has plenty of experience in domestic cricket. As for his Middlesex teammate Tom Helm isn't bad either, good with the ball and decent fielder.

Zak Crawley is more known for him being apart of the Test side, not sure how his white ball cricket is but still a decent batter. Phil Salt is a player who has been tried numerous times in PSL with little to show for. But in English condition with bounce and good pace, he will be a threat.

Ben Duckett returning the side as an aggressive opener similar to Salt. I'll be honest I don't exactly know how he's been getting on. There are a couple more names there that are some solid options Jacks, Lawrence, Parkinson, Payne and Carse.

But I must say, I am surprised to see Hales and Clarke have missed out along with Hains tbh. I guess England have a certain players they can trust to bring into the Intl. fold.

My line-up for England would be:

1. Phil Salt (WK)
2. Ben Duckett
3. Dawid Malan
4. James Vince
5. Ben Stokes (C)
6. Will Jacks
7. Lewis Gregory
8. Craig Overton
9. Danny Briggs
10. Saqib Mahmood
11. Jake Ball

I think this is possibly the best England line that they can put up imo. Briggs and Jacks as the spinners whereas Ball, Mahmood, Overton, Gregory to provide the pace as I believe Stokes will likely just batting rather than as a play as a Allrounder due to his recent injury.
 
Pakistan on the other hand is pretty easy to name tbh. Haris Sohail is a fitness concern but other than that the line-up is pretty much known and solid. Except if and where does Sohaib Maqsood plays. I personally think he should and will in my team.

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Imam-ul-Haq
3. Babar Azam (C)
4. Mohammad Rizwan (WK)
5. Haris Sohail/Saud Shakeel
6. Sohaib Maqsood
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Hasan Ali
9. Usman Qadir
10. Shaheen Shah Afridi
11. Haris Rauf

I personally would like to potentially Nawaz get a go as he has been a decent spinner but with the pitches likely to be more for pace and bounce, I don't think he will play, well maybe not the 1st ODI.
 
Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Rizwan
Haris
???
Faheem
Nawaz
Hasan
Usman
Afridi

I think Haris Sohail should be the 6th bowler.
I have no idea who to play at no 6..they're all untested and untried or just plain rubbish for that spot.
I will just pick one of long term prospects...may be Saud. But, is he good enough no 6 long term, does he have the game to close off a game or tee off? Only time will tell.
I dont think Shadab or Nawaz are good enough for no 6 spot...
Where is Imad when you need him?..
 
We'll see what happens but i reckon it's 2-1 now in Pak's favour. Can't blame Pak for this whole situation, just bad luck for England. Hopefully Pak doesn't get complacent and take this challenge lightly.

Haha I actually feel bad for Pakistan. If they beat England people will be like: its just the England B team. If they lose to England people will be like: they lost to the England B team.

Classic case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
Haha I actually feel bad for Pakistan. If they beat England people will be like: its just the England B team. If they lose to England people will be like: they lost to the England B team.

Classic case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.

They can't lose to a team with a zero bowling attack, I mean guys like Lewis Gregory and Jake Ball will be going for 7/8 runs per over easy.

It's not great in terms of prep but it is what it is. At least we get to watch some cricket and hopefully showcase of some young talent and the much anticipated debut of Saud.
 
They can't lose to a team with a zero bowling attack, I mean guys like Lewis Gregory and Jake Ball will be going for 7/8 runs per over easy.

It's not great in terms of prep but it is what it is. At least we get to watch some cricket and hopefully showcase of some young talent and the much anticipated debut of Saud.

Theoretically they shouldn't have lost to Zimbabwe either. But they did. And for a team like Pakistan its highly possible to even lose to a zero bowling attack. But still, hopefully they won't.
 
If there was ever a chance to win our first ODI series in England since 1974 - this is it :)
 
Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Rizwan
Haris
???
Faheem
Nawaz
Hasan
Usman
Afridi

I think Haris Sohail should be the 6th bowler.
I have no idea who to play at no 6..they're all untested and untried or just plain rubbish for that spot.
I will just pick one of long term prospects...may be Saud. But, is he good enough no 6 long term, does he have the game to close off a game or tee off? Only time will tell.
I dont think Shadab or Nawaz are good enough for no 6 spot...
Where is Imad when you need him?..

Hussein Talat - needs to be given a chance in the ODI team.
 
Theoretically they shouldn't have lost to Zimbabwe either. But they did. And for a team like Pakistan its highly possible to even lose to a zero bowling attack. But still, hopefully they won't.

Nah that's a zilch bowling attack, Saqib is mediocre at best and the rest are just garbage. They are a small level up from Magala.
 
Husain Talat in pressure situations is like an ice cube on a stove. I'm glad Pakistan are done wasting time on him.

Is this series really a “pressure situation”?

I think he needs to be given chances in ODI as this should be his best format.
 
Is this series really a “pressure situation”?

I think he needs to be given chances in ODI as this should be his best format.

Doesn't matter. He simply doesn't deserve any chances after how poorly he has done in Pakistan colours.

And with players like that you never know. They will crack under the pressure no matter the quality of the opposition.
 
2-1 will be best possible result. There is no way we are clean sweeping. We managed to loose even against Zimbabwe. The fact is our players don't play at their beat against depleted sides

Our players don’t play at their best against any side.

Since 2006, we have only won 3 ODI series against the major teams – New Zealand 2011, India and South Africa 2013.

It is embarrassing beyond belief.
 
Correction:

It is not England vs Pakistan. It is England Lions vs Pakistan.
 
Haha I actually feel bad for Pakistan. If they beat England people will be like: its just the England B team. If they lose to England people will be like: they lost to the England B team.

Classic case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.

When you repeatedly prove that you do not have what it takes to beat a top team in an ODI series, people are not going to give you credit for beating a heavily depleted team.

However, you will still get bashed if you lose. It is what you get for being a deeply mediocre team that loses pretty much all the time against the top 4 sides.
 
Pakistan on the other hand is pretty easy to name tbh. Haris Sohail is a fitness concern but other than that the line-up is pretty much known and solid. Except if and where does Sohaib Maqsood plays. I personally think he should and will in my team.

1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Imam-ul-Haq
3. Babar Azam (C)
4. Mohammad Rizwan (WK)
5. Haris Sohail/Saud Shakeel
6. Sohaib Maqsood
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Hasan Ali
9. Usman Qadir
10. Shaheen Shah Afridi
11. Haris Rauf

I personally would like to potentially Nawaz get a go as he has been a decent spinner but with the pitches likely to be more for pace and bounce, I don't think he will play, well maybe not the 1st ODI.

Shadab is VC, he won't get dropped from the playing XI.

If he is dropped, we will have a very balanced squad barring the exception of Imad Wasim.
 
Our players don’t play at their best against any side.

Since 2006, we have only won 3 ODI series against the major teams – New Zealand 2011, India and South Africa 2013.

It is embarrassing beyond belief.

You forgot to add South Africa 2021.
 
Misbah never changes a winning combination, so I think the same team will play as the last ODI against South Africa. Maybe Shadab in place of Usman with Shadab being the VC,

Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Rizwan
Sarfaraz (wk)
Faheem
Nawaz
Hasan
Usman / Shadab
Shaheen
Haris Rauf
 
England are favourites because at home, even an England 'C' team can beat Pakistan.
 
Pictures (courtesy of the PCB) of Pakistan squad practicing ahead of the 1st ODI in Cardiff


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Babar Azam-led Pakistan men’s cricket team can replace England at the top of the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup Super League by winning the three-match ODI series starting from tomorrow 8 July at Sophia Gardens Cardiff. The second ODI will be played on 10 July at Lord’s while third and final ODI of the series will be played on 13 July at Edgbaston.

The three-match series is a part of ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup Super League where England is leading with 65 points from 12 matches, England have won six matches and lost five while one match was abandoned due to rain. Bangladesh are on second position with five wins and four losses from nine matches has and have 50 points. Pakistan, who has won four matches (two each against Zimbabwe and South Africa) and lost two from six matches are on third position with 40 points.

In the forthcoming three-match series, the winning team will earn 10 points for each win.

If Pakistan win all three matches they will gain 30 points and will rise to the top position with 70 points at the end of the series. Meanwhile, if England win any of three-match series, they will further consolidate their position at the top spot.

Pakistan will also be aiming to improve their record of playing against England at their own backyard.

Since their inaugural ODI series in England in 1974, Pakistan have lost nine out of the 11 series with their only series win coming in the 1974 series. England on the other hand have won nine series, one series ended in a draw.

Babar, who is the number one ranked batsman in the ICC ODI rankings will be eager to maintain his top position. Babar is third on the run scorers list in the ICC Super League matches.

The right-handed batter has scored 449 runs at 89.80 in the six ICC Super League matches with the help of two centuries and as many half-centuries at a strike rate of 102.98.

Pakistan players to watch out for:

Besides Babar, Fakhar Zaman has played four ICC Super League matches. The left-hander has scored 304 runs at 76 with two hundreds to his name. He enjoys a strike rate of 111.35 and has hit 28 fours and 13 sixes. Fakhar will be eyeing to score big in the three-match series and playing a pivotal role for the Pakistan team.

Fakhar’s opening partner Imam-ul-Haq is another player who enjoys playing in England. In 12 ODIs in England, Imam has scored 539 at 53.90 with two centuries and one half-centuries. His career best 151 off 131 was also scored against England at County Ground in Bristol in 2019. The left-handed batsman has featured in six matches of the ICC Super League scoring 243 runs at 40.50. He has a strike rate of 80.46 with three half-centuries to his name. Imam also holds the record for youngest Pakistani to score a World Cup hundred – 100 off 100 against Bangladesh at Lord’s in 2019.

Mohammad Rizwan, wicketkeeper-batsman who recently helped his side Multan Sultans to their maiden HBL Pakistan Super League title will be looking to transform his form in the ODI cricket.

Since 1 May 2020, the wicketkeeper-batsman has featured in 33 international matches across all formats, scoring a staggering 1320 runs at 50.76, with two hundreds and 11 half-centuries.

Rizwan’s run-tally in the ongoing year is only 12 runs behind his captain Babar who has scored 1332 runs at 45.93 from 29 international matches.

Shaheen Shah Afridi will spearhead the bowling department, the left-arm pacer has 11 wickets to his name from six ICC Super League matches. His best figures of five for 49 came against Zimbabwe at Pindi Cricket Stadium in Rawalpindi last year which helped his side to a 26-run win.

The fast bowler like Imam enjoys playing in England. He has his career best figures of six for 35 against Bangladesh at Lord’s in ICC Cricket World Cup 2019.

Hasan Ali is another fast bowler the tourists will be relying on to make an impact in the series. The right-arm pacer has made a remarkable comeback in the national team.

Hasan has featured in 11 international matches this year where he has taken 40 wickets with four five wickets in an innings and one ten-wicket haul in a match. He is also the top wicket-taker in this year with India off-spinner Ravichandran Ashwin on second spot with 38 wickets.
 
Be good to see people reactions in advance.

Pakistan win 3-0 = It was against a B team
Pakistan win 2-1 = Couldn’t even sweep a B team.
Pakistan lose the series - Couldn’t even beat a B team.
 
So Malan, Vince, Mahmood, Crawley wouldn't make a second XI for England? On what basis?

Instead of selectively quoting one line of my comment you should go back and read the full comment before making an assumption.

But yes, Crawley wouldn't even make a second XI England side. Why? Because his List A numbers are terrible.
 
Instead of selectively quoting one line of my comment you should go back and read the full comment before making an assumption.

But yes, Crawley wouldn't even make a second XI England side. Why? Because his List A numbers are terrible.

Any news on Azam's diet?
 
Most of it depends on stokes mood. How he goes about it will matter a bit.
 
Even if he was Christian Bale or Robert De Niro it would take him months to look like an athlete. So my guess would be that he looks exactly the same as he did a month ago.

Forget that he looks the same if not worse than PSL 5. The only weight he has lost is by taking his keys out of his pocket.

Watch out Curry Mile in Manchester our boy is coming to town.
 
Shadab is VC, he won't get dropped from the playing XI.

If he is dropped, we will have a very balanced squad barring the exception of Imad Wasim.

He may be the VC, but he doesn't deserve to be in the starting XI.

As for Imad Wasim, I'm not sure if he's in the ODI squad.
 
Haha I actually feel bad for Pakistan. If they beat England people will be like: its just the England B team. If they lose to England people will be like: they lost to the England B team.

Classic case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.

If haris was fit I would bat saud at 4 and move rizwan and haris down a position to 5th and 6th
 
Instead of selectively quoting one line of my comment you should go back and read the full comment before making an assumption.

But yes, Crawley wouldn't even make a second XI England side. Why? Because his List A numbers are terrible.

Crawley has a terrible stats in every format but he stil was picked in the test series.
 
He may be the VC, but he doesn't deserve to be in the starting XI.

As for Imad Wasim, I'm not sure if he's in the ODI squad.

Qadir is a far superior bowler than Shadab, and frankly, I find him to be reliable enough with the bat as well at that batting position down at 9.

Imad had every right to be in the ODI squad, but it's unfortunate that someone with the performances like his is ignored.
 
Qadir is a far superior bowler than Shadab, and frankly, I find him to be reliable enough with the bat as well at that batting position down at 9.

Imad had every right to be in the ODI squad, but it's unfortunate that someone with the performances like his is ignored.

The England C team may fail to treat Shadab the way it ought to have happened this series. West Indies too aren't going to dominate leg spin even if it is averagely delivered.

The COVID outbreak may just prolong Shadab's career all the way to the t20 world cup. It would be brutal for Pakistan if that was the arena where he was to be exposed.
 
Stand-in skipper Ben Stokes has urged his new England team-mates to seize the “amazing opportunity” presented to them by the entire ODI squad and being forced into isolation by seven positive Covid-19 tests.

Stokes has been prematurely called back into action after a finger injury to lead an 18-man squad containing six players who have never played international cricket, three more who are uncapped in ODIs, and a further six players who fewer than five ODI caps.

Having isolated in their rooms until around 2.30pm awaiting the results of the PCR Covid-19 tests, the team were able to train together for the first time this afternoon.

Stokes said he had no idea what shape the XI would take, but they had “done everything we can planning for the Pakistan lineup” on team meetings via Zoom.

Stokes did confirm that he would be returning to the middle order from his temporary post at No3 on the recent tour of India, and tipped his Durham colleague Brydon Carse to fulfil “a similar role to Liam Plunkett in the England team for a number of years” – bashing away in the middle overs.

Stokes predicted that the side would be “very competitive” and urged them to enjoy the experience and take the opportunity to make the selectors’ lives difficult when the first-team return from isolation.

“It’s great, it’s an amazing opportunity for guys either on the fringes previously or called up for the first time,” he said.

“We’re going to look at it from a positive. These are guys we haven’t seen in an England shirt but that’s because of how strong we have been. I’m looking forward to leading out the next exciting cricketers coming through in England, who will no doubt be in an England shirt in the future, it just came quicker than we expected.

“Situations like these are so rare and such a fluster, I would say you have got a chance to represent your country so let’s do it with a smile on our face and just enjoy it as much as we can as a group.”

Stokes admitted to being surprised to be back with England so soon, describing the call from Chris Silverwood on Monday as the “last call I was expecting, late in the evening”.

“After the call happened my wife sent me a screen shot of an article saying England aren’t going to rush Ben Stokes back,” he laughed. “I tried to make light of the situation and said the same thing to Gilo [Ashley Giles’ as well, it’s one of these situations that’s an example of ‘if you don’t laugh you’ll cry’.

“But it was like when I came back for Durham a bit earlier [a fortnight ago], my job needed me to do something, so I had to stand up and do that. Same with this, this is earlier than planned for from a medical and fitness point of view but when a job comes and calls you, you need to stand up and make yourself available.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/cricket/ben-stokes-england-pakistan-covid-positive-odi-b944609.html
 
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Even if he was Christian Bale or Robert De Niro it would take him months to look like an athlete. So my guess would be that he looks exactly the same as he did a month ago.
If he starts today which I doubt he is going to, its going to take him decades to get to athlete look
 
Our players don’t play at their best against any side.

Since 2006, we have only won 3 ODI series against the major teams – New Zealand 2011, India and South Africa 2013.

It is embarrassing beyond belief.

you are right however, post-world cup 2019 our ODI batting lineup looks the most reliable in a decade. so i was hopfull that we will give tough time to ENG and may even won the series
 
The England C team may fail to treat Shadab the way it ought to have happened this series. West Indies too aren't going to dominate leg spin even if it is averagely delivered.

The COVID outbreak may just prolong Shadab's career all the way to the t20 world cup. It would be brutal for Pakistan if that was the arena where he was to be exposed.

I agree. In UAE, Qadir will be a force to reckon with.

It's only a matter of time before Shadab is stripped of vice captaincy and replaced with Rizwan.

After that, our team will be able to progress further and achieve a better balance.
 
It may still be tough for Pakistan due to the fact England use a proven system for their team just as much as relying on individual players.

So doesn’t matter who they put out and its not our fault they can’t play their best 11, we just have to go out there and smash them.

Come on Babar, come on Pakistan!
 
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