What's new

England v Pakistan | 3rd Test | Birmingham | Aug 3-7, 2016 | Day 3

when things are not going our way we tend to loose every battle.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
test_fan said:
lol no way that pitched outside leg, I don't trust ball tracking.
Click to expand...

You were shown a video of the ball overlayed with a strip clearly going between the 2 sets of wickets. The ball didn't bounce in this strip. What else do you think happened....
 
Reminds me of a test in use .. We scored 99 and the. England got a lead of 60 odd and then we scored big in the third innings and england faltered in the chase.
 
How fast does sohial normally bowl? Looks quite slow, 76mph and 79mph last two balls this spell. Is this his normal pace?
 
BleedGreen said:
cant believe we're losing this :(
Click to expand...

Maybe you're just trolling but the negative attitude by you is annoying and i noticed it during the lords test as well. We won that test so stop crying man we still might win this one.
 
HitWicket said:
You were shown a video of the ball overlayed with a strip clearly going between the 2 sets of wickets. The ball didn't bounce in this strip. What else do you think happened....
Click to expand...

You are describing a simple video replay with a pitch mat.
 
HitWicket said:
You were shown a video of the ball overlayed with a strip clearly going between the 2 sets of wickets. The ball didn't bounce in this strip. What else do you think happened....
Click to expand...

Lmfao, it wasn't even ball tracking, it was basic stuff and he doesn't believe it. He probably thinks they showed some other footage or edited the video in the 10 second gap between the appeal and misbah deciding to review
 
It amazes me how an international team can carry players like Sohail Khan and Rahat Ali who are liabilities in the field and cannot bowl 50 odd overs in a match, without losing pace and accuracy
 
Mamoon said:
Anwar played 40 odd Tests only.
Click to expand...

Interesing topic...My initial reaction was obsiuly to vote for the ATG. But looked more into it

SA played 91 innings and scored 4050 runs, Avr: 45.5, 100's: 11, 50's: 25
AC after 91 innings
AC played 91 innings and scored 3654 runs, Avr: 42.9, 100's: 10, 50's: 20
 
So England are basically starting their innings now 3/0
 
Bouncer said:
Interesing topic...My initial reaction was obsiuly to vote for the ATG. But looked more into it

SA played 91 innings and scored 4050 runs, Avr: 45.5, 100's: 11, 50's: 25
AC after 91 innings
AC played 91 innings and scored 3654 runs, Avr: 42.9, 100's: 10, 50's: 20
Click to expand...

Cook is not an ATG.
 
#GreenRoars said:
Tell this to other posters :( you can see how much negative posts are there. Am alone positive warrior here and my buddy [MENTION=136079]ahmedwaqas92[/MENTION] is also missing,

Well yes, it's just a matter of one wicket. Pitch won't show any great demons, just a normal wicket so far, it can help bowlers also if they bowl in good line.

See some last deliveries of Shah showed some turn, need to maintain a good line. Just need to break this partnership some how.
Click to expand...

I'm here buddy.

Boundary as we speak, though. :'(
 
4 bowler strategy going to hurt Pakistan so bad.

The 4 bowlers are being over bowled because a part timer isnt being used a lot. So they have no rest. And sohail doesnt look like someone who is fit for test cricket. So effective 3 bowlers in the second innings for pakistan
 
Mamoon said:
I would go with Cook, but some people have forgotten how good Anwar was in Tests.

A shame he didn't play 100 Tests.
Click to expand...

Agreed. Anwar was easily the best opener in the 90s.

To those who point to his lack of tests this was because Pakistan didn't play much test cricket during the 90s, this is perfectly illustrated by the fact Wasim Akram only managed just over 100 test caps even though he had a 17 test career playing throughout the 90s.

It's laughable to say Cook was better than Anwar.

Anwar would have averaged well over 50 if he was debuting 10-15 years later like Cook, who still averages mid 40s despite the lesser quality bowlers and flatter wickets.
 
We are lucky to have seen Cook play. Won't see a Test opener like him for 50 years.
 
Pakistan were banking a lot on Yasir shah but it seems on these wickets he can't trouble English batsmen no more.
 
yasir_shah said:
Agreed. Anwar was easily the best opener in the 90s.

To those who point to his lack of tests this was because Pakistan didn't play much test cricket during the 90s, this is perfectly illustrated by the fact Wasim Akram only managed just over 100 test caps even though he had a 17 test career playing throughout the 90s.

It's laughable to say Cook was better than Anwar.

Anwar would have averaged well over 50 if he was debuting 10-15 years later like Cook, who still averages mid 40s despite the lesser quality bowlers and flatter wickets.
Click to expand...

Won't say it is laughable, I rate Cook very highly, he's an ATG in my opinion.

Saeed is a legend too.
 
These guys are gonna dominate the game till Tea tomorrow and give Pakistan a target of 300+ easily!
 
Markhor said:
Sohail not running in hard, and pace down to late 70s.
Click to expand...

Its because he has been running in all day and sun has been out all day.

I wish.

This is only his 6th over in last 2 hours

Verdict: he has just never been fit enough to play cricket. His Media buddy has been focusing on his shoulders and physique for 9 years and claiming that he is fast bowler (purely out of desire for having a karachi based fast bowler in team) but he never had the fitness of a cricketer.

Not to forget he is easily 3-4 years older than his age of 32 so that makes him around 35-36
 
Last edited:
Now, Sohail is on his 28th over, spread over 3 Days; after 135 overs rest in between & he is looking like our Mashrafee - I wonder, if this is now, what was before Kakul camp?

PCB indeed is doing a great job arranging 250 overs FC matches on shambolic wickets in November & December.
 
JibranAnsari said:
I think its pretty much evident that Sohail khan can't last a while test match , so we will see wahab back in the next test match. Oval can provide some reverse swing so he can be handy.
Click to expand...

guys were over the moon when sohail took the 5fer...at the age of 32 and with such poor fitness level, he shouldnt have been selected for a month long 4 tests tour...look at his fitness level after pakistani batsmen played 1 whole day and till tea the next day, after 136 overs which is 150 overs time though...
 
Bouncer said:
Its because he has been running in all day and sun has been out all day.

I wish.

This is only his 6th over in last 2 hours

Verdict: he has just never been fit enough to play cricket. His Media buddy has been focusing on his shoulders and physique for 9 years and claiming that he is fast bowler (purely out of desire for having a karachi based fast bowler in team) but he never had the fitness of a cricketer.
Click to expand...

Its inexcusable fitness given we've been batting for a day and a half. Turns out its still not enough rest for Sohail !
 
MMHS said:
Now, Sohail is on his 28th over, spread over 3 Days; after 135 overs rest in between & he is looking like our Mashrafee - I wonder, if this is now, what was before Kakul camp?

PCB indeed is doing a great job arranging 250 overs FC matches on shambolic wickets in November & December.
Click to expand...

He wasn't part of the camp I believe.
 
Mamoon said:
Won't say it is laughable, I rate Cook very highly, he's an ATG in my opinion.

Saeed is a legend too.
Click to expand...

Against quality bowling attacks he's been made to look ordinary plenty of times. Last Ashes in Australia and 6 years ago v Amir + Asif he was a walking wicket.

He is a legend yes, but ATG? no...

I think he's been lucky to play as many tests as he has done. 132 tests in 10 years shows England play far more test cricket than anyone else.

If he's such an ATG why does he average some way below 50?
 
The_Odd_One said:
As a cricketer he is an ATG.

Consider his longevity, amount of runs scored, ability to play both pacers and spinners, and captaincy.
Click to expand...

If you look at consistent quality performance against good quality pace, I think Cook has failed almost every single time and as an opener that simply is not good enough to be labelled as an ATG - a tag that only the very finest players get brandished with.

I don't rate his captaincy at all tbh.
 
HitWicket said:
That am I. You're complaining that it pitched in line despite seeing this replay quite clearly?
Click to expand...

You are ill-informed then. Ball tracking uses math, algorithm and computer programming right from the moment the ball leaves the bowler's hand. The whole trajectory is created virtually. They use special cameras from different parts of the ground to get a 2D location of the ball and then superimpose all to form a 3D image and then move it forward in the coordinate system to create a trajectory. What you described is overlaying of a simple TV replay on a pitch match without using any other software. That's not how ball tracking works. It always has an element of uncertainty even when it is showing the actual trajectory of the ball, let alone a projected path for LBWs. It is NOT a TV replay.
 
Cook has won his team Test series in India and Australia with the bat and has captained them to a series win in SA.

Not to mention the mountain of runs he has scored and is entering his peak years now.

If he's not an ATG, no one is.
 
Sohail's fitness clearly isn't up to the mark for Test Cricket. Our pace bowling stocks are very low.

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
 
Bouncer said:
More of an ATG great than Inzi, Saeed, Moyo, YK, Misbah all put together
Click to expand...

All of them put together? Even Bradman as a batsman is not greater than Inzi, Saeed, Moyo, YK, Misbah combined.

And BTW, Inzy is a bigger legend than Cook because he was a gun ODI player too.
 
asyed said:
He wasn't part of the camp I believe.
Click to expand...

I see - in that case, his selection was wrong for a 4 bowler strategy. This is not UAE that you can bowl 150 overs by 2 spinners & 50 by 2 pacers. In England, 3 pacers have to be physically ready to bowl 125 overs in between. Besides, he is around 35/36 now, which doesn't help in any case. Lillee/Marshall retired at 35
 
yasir_shah said:
Against quality bowling attacks he's been made to look ordinary plenty of times. Last Ashes in Australia and 6 years ago v Amir + Asif he was a walking wicket.

He is a legend yes, but ATG? no...

I think he's been lucky to play as many tests as he has done. 132 tests in 10 years shows England play far more test cricket than anyone else.

If he's such an ATG why does he average some way below 50?
Click to expand...



Average of 45-46 for an opener after 120 Tests is as good as an average of 50 after 100 Tests for a middle-order batsman.

Opening in Tests, that too when you play the bulk of your matches in England, is the toughest job in the game.
 
Markhor said:
Its inexcusable fitness given we've been batting for a day and a half. Turns out its still not enough rest for Sohail !
Click to expand...

Not to forget his forged age.

As i said...he never had fitness of a international cricketer. I have been following him since domestic season 07 and was anxiously waiting for his debut in early 2008.

I was as anxiously anticipating for his international arrival as I was for fawad alam. Realized very quickly that they were myths created by Karachi media, ex cricketers....do not think I have been proven worng.
 
Unless we have a freakishly awesome first session tomorrow this match will result in withers England's win or a draw.
 
Saj was right about Sohail's fitness

He is not fit enough to play test cricket
 
ball is starting to grip a bit maybe Yasir will do better tomorrow.

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
 
Haroon786 said:
If you look at consistent quality performance against good quality pace, I think Cook has failed almost every single time and as an opener that simply is not good enough to be labelled as an ATG - a tag that only the very finest players get brandished with.

I don't rate his captaincy at all tbh.
Click to expand...

Yes, he failed against quality fast bowling but it is hard to ignore his longevity and the amount of runs that he has scored. Also, consider that he has the toughest job in the world, opening in England.

He has been brilliant as a captain. He turned a team of inexperienced players into world's #1 test team who are playing good cricket in all conditions.
 
Better from Yasir. Getting some turn. Take off Sohail he looks like he doesn't wanna be there
 
Mamoon said:
Cook has won his team Test series in India and Australia with the bat and has captained them to a series win in SA.

Not to mention the mountain of runs he has scored and is entering his peak years now.

If he's not an ATG, no one is.
Click to expand...

That is your opinion fair enough.

But before you mention Cook is ATG in the modern era we have seen a much better opener in Graeme Smith. He averages a slightly higher but his strike rate isn't pedestrian like we see with Cook.

Cook:
Average - 47-48 SR: 46.93

G.Smith:
Average: 48.25 SR: 59.67

There is no debate G.Smith is far ahead of Cook as an opener. Speaking of impact he led his team to number 1 for several years with bat and captaincy.

Cook is a poor mans G.Smith if anything.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Cricket Warrior
South Africa end Day 3 at 27/3 in their second innings, needing 148 to win the first Test against Pakistan
10 11 12
Replies
925
Views
17K
kron
K
Cricket Warrior
Pakistan (366 & 221) secure a comprehensive 152-run win against England (291 & 144) in the second Test to level the 3-match series 1-1
3 4 5
Replies
371
Views
40K
Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH
S
FearlessRoar
Pakistan end Day 3 at 213/1, trailing by 208 runs, after being forced to follow on in the second Test against South Africa
8 9 10
Replies
740
Views
14K
TheSultan
T
FearlessRoar
Pakistan (230 & 157) defeat West Indies (137 & 123) by 127 runs in the first Test match to secure a 1-0 lead in the 2-Match series
3 4 5
Replies
336
Views
6K
Human786
H
Cricket Warrior
England reach 36/2 at stumps on Day 3, chasing 297 to win the second Test against Pakistan
10 11 12
Replies
936
Views
20K
Mamoon
Mamoon
Back
Top