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England v South Africa l 1st Test l Lords l 10/7/08

KP almost run out, but gets off the mark against his one time countrymen
 
Desperaret single by KP - would have been miles out if it hit!
 
Romali_rotti said:
Just imagine what the aussies will do to these SA bowlers this summer :O .. Scared to even think about it..
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Don't worry about it. That's for the number 1 and 2 TEAM to worry about. None of Indias concern.
 
These type pitches reallydone suit S.A and especially steyn. He needs some pace so he can bowl the short stuff and follow it up with the swinging yorkers.
 
shiiiit - wheel coming off here

need a serioous re0building effort
 
saffer said:
Steyn getting some swing...nicerly wipped for 4 by bell though.
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And then he's taken out of the attack? Bizzare!

He's hardly bowled today
 
Pietersen 7 - Bell 30
Eng 154-3 after 51 overs
possibility of showers tomorrow
 
Big Harvey said:
This is England. There's always the possibility of showers...
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:)) but if the radio commentators say it then it will probably mean 63% chance
 
saffer said:
Don't worry about it. That's for the number 1 and 2 TEAM to worry about. None of Indias concern.
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:))) :))) :)))
 
KA$H said:
did you know that Smith used to refer to him as "the Queer" during the last tour?
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Very mild compared with what I call Smith, who ranks as my least favourite player in world cricket.
 
Big Harvey said:
Very mild compared with what I call Smith, who ranks as my least favourite player in world cricket.
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Why do you dislike him so much, Harvey?
 
These two coming back nicely. Given the wicket I'd be very happy if S.A can get another wicket before the new ball and maybe nip one out before with it tonight for an extra 70 runs....250 for 5 at the end of day is pretty good on this pitch I think.
 
cars112 said:
Why do you dislike him so much, Harvey?
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I took an extreme dislike to him over his "bad light" related antics when we last toured South Africa. As far as I'm concerned, if the light's good enough to bat, it's good enough to field, but when South Africa were losing he was in the umpire's ear about the light the whole time. There was nothing wrong with the light. It was perfectly playable.

He also comes over as being not a very pleasant individual in any case, and the revelation that he referred to MV as "the queer" doesn't surprise me one bit.
 
Big Harvey said:
He also comes over as being not a very pleasant individual in any case, and the revelation that he referred to MV as "the queer" doesn't surprise me one bit.
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To be fair I'm not a big of the South Africans for their sledging style (especially the Gibbs racism incident against Pak fans etc.) though I do respect their ability. I suppose Smith as captain has the biggest role in the way they approach their cricket so you may have a point
 
bahot umda ballaybazi ka muzahira - 200 up :136:
Pietersen 37 - Bell 43
Eng 202-3 after 64.3

and a six by Pieteri off Harris to celebrate the occasion. Plus a no ball - Free hit coming
 
This is a real test for Harris. If he's not even going to be effective as a containing bowler, SA have a big hole in their much vaunted bowling attack.
 
Big Harvey said:
This is a real test for Harris. If he's not even going to be effective as a containing bowler, SA have a big hole in their much vaunted bowling attack.
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They should have played Nel. Even V Sehwag is a better bowler than P Harris
 
69.5 Steyn to Pietersen, no run, clever slower ball, fingers rolled across the seam, ball lands on a length and draws Pietersen forward and playing, beaten by the slowness of that one.
 
PlanetPakistan said:
They should have played Nel. Even V Sehwag is a better bowler than P Harris
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Nel is a more direct bowler, perhaps would have been useful on this track, I remember against Pakistan when the pitch was quite lifeless but starting to wear away he got Younis Khan with a torpedo like delivery which was barely a foot off the ground after pitching.
 
dblock said:
Nel is a more direct bowler, perhaps would have been useful on this track, I remember against Pakistan when the pitch was quite lifeless but starting to wear away he got Younis Khan with a torpedo like delivery which was barely a foot off the ground after pitching.
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Well, he averages an appalling 55 against us...so he can't have bowled too many "torpedo like deliveries" against our batsmen! ;-)
 
ting ting ting 50 off 89 balls for Bell - Pietersen on 72
Eng 247-3 after 74 overs
reported at - 17:25
how will they get 16 overs in 35 min Harry P?
 
cars112 said:
Well, he averages an appalling 55 against us...so he can't have bowled too many "torpedo like deliveries" against our batsmen! ;-)
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If you remember that series, the wickets were dead and lifeless (and we still managed to lose somehow). I was just commenting how he got a lot of purchase from that pitch and Harris looks quite clueless out there, I'm sure even Smith would cause as much problems as him at the moment.
 
dblock said:
If you remember that series, the wickets were dead and lifeless (and we still managed to lose somehow).
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He's played us in South Africa as well, on spicier wickets - and struggled there too. An average of 55 is not just bad, it is downright embarrassing for a specialist bowler.

dblock said:
I was just commenting how he got a lot of purchase from that pitch and Harris looks quite clueless out there, I'm sure even Smith would cause as much problems as him at the moment.
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Harris averages 21 against us, and 30 overall (before this game). What is your reasoning that Smith, a part timer at best, would trouble England as much as Harris (Smith in fact averages 100, with eight wickets in 66 Tests)? Fact is, this is a flat pitch and Pietersen is a batsman of the highest caliber - how many spinners would succeed in these circumstances?

In any case, South Africa are playing four frontline pacers already. What logic is there in playing a fifth, if four aren't good enough to do the job, all the while losing the spinner's option if the pitch starts to wear in the second innings?
 
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Nice stat this.
 

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lollol said:
Nice stat this.
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Lollol...a question...firstly how do you get these screen captures so quickly and secondly the quality is always brilliant...any special software you use for the quality or is that how it is?
 
Big Harvey said:
The new ball can't come soon enough for Smith.
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...or so I thought. He kept Harris on for an over longer than he needed to. Perhaps he wanted to show confidence in his spinner. His confidence looked a bit misplaced, though.
 
cars112 said:
Lollol...a question...firstly how do you get these screen captures so quickly and secondly the quality is always brilliant...any special software you use for the quality or is that how it is?
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Its not a online stream or something like that, its normal tv (satellite).

So i just capture from normal tv (i connected the decoder to PC), thats why quality is good :)

And sky sports is always very high quality :)
 
Please, please, please if you're reading this, Michael Vaughan, if England lose a late wicket, don't use a nightwatchman unless there's a reason, e.g. the light's suspect.

I've seen enough of England's brain-dead use of nightwatchmen.
 
And once again another 100 from KP...

His 13th already....
 
And thats it for today.

ENG 309-3

Definitely Englands day :P
 
Pietersen is a really strange player. He's so much better when it's a big occasion. It's almost as if lesser Tests aren't worth getting out of bed for. A special innings from him today. He showed a lot of guts and once again tamed his former countrymen. You could just see Graeme Smith silently seething from first slip. He has a special talent for getting under people's skin, and for scoring centuries.
 
Look at KP's amount of runs on the leg-side
 

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lollol said:
Its not a online stream or something like that, its normal tv (satellite).

So i just capture from normal tv (i connected the decoder to PC), thats why quality is good :)

And sky sports is always very high quality :)
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Ah OK, well didn't think it was a stream or anything - was just genuinely curious on how you did it so quickly (I guess the decoder thing answers that). Anyways, keep up the good work, I love seeing those screenshots amidst the commentary threads! :)
 
Pieteresen, is quite simply, a batting genius.

Its not just about the amount of runs he makes. There are other English batsman who are largely successful as well (Cook, Strauss, Bell etc) but none of them are Kevin Pietersen, none of them can play the shots Kevin can, and none of them look in the same class. Just watching the innings today, I silently wondered to myself - can cricket really get better than Kevin Pietersen? I was unable to establish a definite answer, but if he keeps playing like this, he'll book his place as one of the all-time greats.
 
Easa said:
Pieteresen, is quite simply, a batting genius.

Its not just about the amount of runs he makes. There are other English batsman who are largely successful as well (Cook, Strauss, Bell etc) but none of them are Kevin Pietersen, none of them can play the shots Kevin can, and none of them look in the same class. Just watching the innings today, I silently wondered to myself - can cricket really get better than Kevin Pietersen? I was unable to establish a definite answer, but if he keeps playing like this, he'll book his place as one of the all-time greats.
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well said easa , hes a legend in the making ......love watching him bat , especially in test matches !
 
I have been saying this ever since I saw bell for the first time ....see a lot of similarities between him & rahul dravid ....like darvid always plays well against good attacks & a perfect anchor as well ....hes a little inconsistent now for my liking , which even dravid was early in his career ...but am sure Bell will also be counted among the greats by the time he retires !
 
well i just came back from work, and checked the score card, with the bolwoing the saffies have got, i was expecting them to knock england over just over 300, but that does not seem to be the case
 
K well done England. But i am a huge fan of speed. What was the fastest Steyn, Morkel and Ntini bowled today?
 
Dale Steyn - Bowled predominantly in the mid to late 80s. Got to 89.5mph, but I didn't see him get up to or even beyond 90. That's not to say it didn't happen.

Morne Morkel - Fastest of 92.9mph. Considerably faster than Steyn, but very much in the Steve Harmison (the mad one) mould throughout the day.

Ntini and Kallis were nowhere...
 
With the weather not looking good for the next few days, a draw is on the cards, but never know with british weather..
 
Augustus said:
Dale Steyn - Bowled predominantly in the mid to late 80s. Got to 89.5mph, but I didn't see him get up to or even beyond 90. That's not to say it didn't happen.

Morne Morkel - Fastest of 92.9mph. Considerably faster than Steyn, but very much in the Steve Harmison (the mad one) mould throughout the day.

Ntini and Kallis were nowhere...
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Thanks, a friend of mine told me Morkel touched 95 mph and i was like woah. Guess he was just exaggerating then.
 
Savak said:
Thanks, a friend of mine told me Morkel touched 95 mph and i was like woah. Guess he was just exaggerating then.
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I'm pretty sure the Sky said there was one of 94+ mph. Still, if you're bowling mostly dross, at this level, it doesn't matter what speed it comes down at.
 
Brilliant inns today from KP and the selectors and skipper should be lauded for persisting with Ian bell. The wicket looked a little soft early on but england set themselves a good platform here to go and get 450-500 and put pressure on S.A when they come out to bat. S.A didnt seem to adjust to well to pitch conditons and ground conditions early on. Eng have honours for day 1
 
Easa said:
Pieteresen, is quite simply, a batting genius.

Its not just about the amount of runs he makes. There are other English batsman who are largely successful as well (Cook, Strauss, Bell etc) but none of them are Kevin Pietersen, none of them can play the shots Kevin can, and none of them look in the same class. Just watching the innings today, I silently wondered to myself - can cricket really get better than Kevin Pietersen? I was unable to establish a definite answer, but if he keeps playing like this, he'll book his place as one of the all-time greats.
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I agree that when he's on form he takes the art of batting to new levels. He's one of the game's true innovators. There are cricketing parallels with C.B. Fry, one of the key figures from cricket's first golden age. C.B. Fry pioneered the art of hitting and scoring runs on the leg side. Scoring on the leg side used to be slightly frowned upon in those days, but Fry did it with such grace and brilliance that suddenly nobody was frowning anymore.

KP goes one step further, targeting the leg side from deliveries that according to every coaching manual ever written have no business being hit there. Exciting, yes, but for poetry in motion I'd still rather watch Lara, Tendulkar, MoYo, or even Vaughan (2002-3 Ashes-era). I really wish I had the power of time travel to see all those other greats like Bradman, Hammond and Hobbs who were around before my time.

By the way, if you want to know more about C.B. Fry, I can recommend C.B Fry, King of Sport by Iain Wilton. Possibly the best sporting biography ever written.
 
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Savak said:
Thanks, a friend of mine told me Morkel touched 95 mph and i was like woah. Guess he was just exaggerating then.
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He did bowl 94mph i think

They should make a comparison of these kind of speeds from different bowlers
 

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My (completely impartial and totally neutral ;-) ) verdict on the day:

Seldom can a bowling attack which came into a match so highly rated by all and sundry have looked so ordinary. The pitch was fairly slow, and good for batting on, but certainly not flat. There was some variable bounce, a little seam movement, and the atmosphere was even reasonably conducive to swing.

Laughter, followed by the words "win the toss and bat, you muppet" was my reaction to Graeme Smith putting England in, and my analysis looks to have been correct, as the decision to win the toss and bat usually is. Had it not been for the bad LBW decision against Andrew Strauss, today could have been even worse for South Africa, and there would have been comparisons with Nasser Hussain's much condemned decision to insert Australia in the first Test at the Gabba in 2002-3.

Unless they can make serious inroads before lunch tomorrow, South Africa will be left playing for the draw that Smith's negative decision at the toss suggests they've had at least half an eye on from the beginning.

England have a big advantage after the first day, particularly since it's hard to imagine England's bowlers bowling as consistently badly for anything like as long as South Africa's did today. I'm sure South Africa can bowl much better than this, but if they're to win this game, they need to start doing it quickly. England's batsmen, especially Kevin Pietersen, are really up for this series in a way that unfortunately they seldom seem to be against the likes of Sri Lanka and New Zealand, for example.

The concentration that tends to drift after scoring 50 or 60 runs against such opposition is unlikely to here.
 
The vaunted, best in the world Saffa attack getting caned in what was hardly a featherbed. Anyone seen Saffer?
 
Slightly disappointing to hear that Steyn and Morkel didn't do well but i am sure this was their worst day of the series.
 
Easa said:
Pieteresen, is quite simply, a batting genius.

Its not just about the amount of runs he makes. There are other English batsman who are largely successful as well (Cook, Strauss, Bell etc) but none of them are Kevin Pietersen, none of them can play the shots Kevin can, and none of them look in the same class. Just watching the innings today, I silently wondered to myself - can cricket really get better than Kevin Pietersen? I was unable to establish a definite answer, but if he keeps playing like this, he'll book his place as one of the all-time greats.
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So true!

I have been saying for a while that this guy is THE most talented batsman to make his debut since 1992.
 
PlanetPakistan said:
I have been saying for a while that this guy is THE most talented batsman to make his debut since 1992.
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Yes, PP, but you can have the talent but lack the right attitude - this guy is not only the most gifted batsman in the world, he also repeatedly raises his game against the best teams when the heat is on (as Augustus also said). What more can you ask for? :)
 
cars112 said:
Yes, PP, but you can have the talent but lack the right attitude - this guy is not only the most gifted batsman in the world, he also repeatedly raises his game against the best teams when the heat is on (as Augustus also said). What more can you ask for? :)
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yeah the scary thing is that he still has a couple of technical flaws in his game. Once he fixes those problems he will be unstoppable.
 
PlanetPakistan said:
yeah the scary thing is that he still has a couple of technical flaws in his game. Once he fixes those problems he will be unstoppable.
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Well he's still only 28, so he's still slightlyaway from peak years or just entering them. If you remember, Ponting averaged in the low to mid-40's till he was about 27 or 28 as well, before exploding. I think Pietersen will also really only explode over the next 5-6 years and push his average close to 60 (the amazing thing is that he hasn't played a single Test against a minnow yet, although you could argue the WI was pretty abysmal). At the moment his only struggles have been in Asia (33 in Pak, 36 in India and 25 in Lanka, and only one century in nine Tests), but he will no doubt correct these in time.
 
cars112 said:
Well he's still only 28, so he's still slightlyaway from peak years or just entering them. If you remember, Ponting averaged in the low to mid-40's till he was about 27 or 28 as well, before exploding. I think Pietersen will also really only explode over the next 5-6 years and push his average close to 60 (the amazing thing is that he hasn't played a single Test against a minnow yet, although you could argue the WI was pretty abysmal). At the moment his only struggles have been in Asia (33 in Pak, 36 in India and 25 in Lanka, and only one century in nine Tests), but he will no doubt correct these in time.
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In the last Ashes series, the Aussie team conceded singles to KP because we had no idea how to get him out. Gun batsman.

Same old story from the Saffers, big stage, time to shine, highly rated......you know the rest.
 
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