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India (224 & 396) hold off England (247 & 367) to seal a thrilling 6-run win in the fifth Test to level the series at 2-2

Who will win the 5th Test at the Oval?

  • India

    Votes: 9 52.9%
  • England

    Votes: 9 52.9%

  • Total voters
    17
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Bumrah is not an ATG-material. He never was.

4-5 years of purple patch doesn't mean one is an ATG.

Real ATGs don't sit out games. They play all games like McGrath, Wasim etc. used to do.

Bumrah is in the same category as Shaun Tait and Shane Bond. They are brittle like Dollar store toys. They are not ATG-types. :inti
Bumrah is better than Wasim, Imran

And always has been.

Always will be
 
Agree with your few points but my summary in short is:
Bumrah : his ceiling is GOAT-level, but his sample size is still small to place him among the top 5 pacers ever. Let’s see if he can maintain this for 5 more years. Also his average with time will go up in 20's due to age, injury concerns and his action.
Jadeja: Jadeja is a monster at home, arguably one of the most effective players in those conditions. But the term “ATG” implies global dominance, and while Jadeja has improved overseas (notably in Australia and England), he’s not consistently decisive with either bat or ball away from subcontinent. Has he ever won anything outside of home that too on his own? Except that 4th test draw.
Gill : Gill’s hundred at Manchester was definitely classy. But being captain at 25 and scoring 4 tons doesn’t necessarily elevate him to elite just yet. FTB tag still holds some weight until he starts dominating in tough overseas conditions consistently.
This century helped revive the series, yes—but if we’re using one knock to cement a legacy, it’s premature. Gill’s story is still in Act 2, let’s not write the conclusion yet.
You are acting like a typical Asian fan — gets overly hyped after just one series and starts throwing around GOAT and ATG tags like candy. Calm down, legacies aren't built off recency bias."

I never talked about top 5 pacers of all time. Yet Bumrah is so far ahead in bowling average that his avg is not likely to crash enough in Test cricket. There are quite a few ATG players that hit their peak for 6-7 years and then a decline starts, like Waqar, Pollock, Holding etc. And Bumrah’s 7 years peak was incredible(2018-2024). Even if he faces a major declines, the worst he can manage is either 250 wickets @21 or 300 wickets@23. Add his exploits in white ball cricket and he is a genuine ATG already. Question is can he become a top 5 ATG bowler of all time like a Marshall, McGrath or Hadlee or Wasim or Steyn? That still needs to be seen. But I am not claiming any of that.

Jadeja is an all rounder so in SENA pitches, expecting him to be winning games on his own maybe a bit too much. But has he contributed in overseas wins? Answer is yes. Melbourne Test 2020 and Sydney 2020 were down to his performance.

Then he played his part in Melbourne 2018 and Sydney 2018. He has already played his part in this series with a supporting act in Edgabston in both innings, match saving ton in Manchester and a valiant effort at Lords.

His bowling has declined a bit but he played a key role with bowl in past. His record is good in Sri Lanka and West Indies as well. :inti
 
Bumrah is better than Wasim, Imran

And always has been.

Always will be

That's such a Gen Z comment. LOL.

No serious cricket fan or serious cricket pundit calls Bumrah better than Wasim and Imran. Not even close.

Bumrah is at least 3 levels below Wasim and Imran.

Anyway, he should get tested so that we can conclude whether he is a chucker or not. :inti
 
That's such a Gen Z comment. LOL.

No serious cricket fan or serious cricket pundit calls Bumrah better than Wasim and Imran. Not even close.

Bumrah is better than Tim Southee and RP Singh. That's about it.

Anyway, he should get tested so that we can conclude whether he is a chucker or not. :inti
All pundits say he is better
Infact Wasim himself said bumrah is better

So who are you?

Repeat again after me.
Bumrah is better than Imran and Wasim. Always has been. Always will be. Cry more

Cope with it.
 
Stats
Impact
Fear factor

Everything bumrah is better than Wasim and Imran.

But longevity is the only think Wasim has over bumrah

But what use Is longevity if you can’t help your team win as many test matches away from home dawg?
 
Bumrah is not an ATG-material. He never was.

4-5 years of purple patch doesn't mean one is an ATG.

Real ATGs don't sit out games. They play all games like McGrath, Wasim etc. used to do.

Bumrah is in the same category as Shaun Tait and Shane Bond. They are brittle like Dollar store toys. They are not ATG-types. :inti
Doesn't matter much in not sitting out of games when you sell yourself to the bookies in the games you play.
 
Bumrah is not an ATG-material. He never was.

4-5 years of purple patch doesn't mean one is an ATG.

Real ATGs don't sit out games. They play all games like McGrath, Wasim etc. used to do.

Bumrah is in the same category as Shaun Tait and Shane Bond. They are brittle like Dollar store toys. They are not ATG-types. :inti
Wait for this match to end.
You will hear siraj is the G.O.A.T
 
Bumrah is not an ATG-material. He never was.

4-5 years of purple patch doesn't mean one is an ATG.

Real ATGs don't sit out games. They play all games like McGrath, Wasim etc. used to do.

Bumrah is in the same category as Shaun Tait and Shane Bond. They are brittle like Dollar store toys. They are not ATG-types. :inti
Yes like Chuckertharan & Vaas from your beloved nation.
 
Dear England,

The odds are stacked against you and you are firm favorites to lose here, but you are probably the most resilient team in the world that has won the most matches out of unlikely situations in the last 10 years or so.

Please dig deep and save the world from noise pollution just like West Indies saved the world from noise pollution today.
 
Jaiswal, Tongue assess the state of play at The Oval

With England needing 324 more runs to make it 3-1 in the five-Test series, the action heads into the penultimate day with both teams looking to edge out each other.

Following an action-packed day three at The Oval, India’s Yashasvi Jaiswal and England’s Josh Tongue threw their weight behind their respective teams to find a favourable result to conclude the gruelling five-Test series.

Jaiswal’s stylish 118 off 164 in the second innings at The Oval set the stage for India, as the visitors raced through to a massive 373-run lead at the end of their second innings. Ravindra Jadeja and Washington Sundar posted half centuries down the order to help India set a 374-run target for England to finish the series.

After stumps, Jaiswal opened up about his mental approach heading into what was India’s last batting effort of the series.

“I think, yeah, it's very important for all of us that we need to keep pushing ourselves. And this was our last innings here. Mentally, I was ready. I need to keep pushing on this game and try to get as much as I can.

“And, of course, seeing the wicket in the first inning, I was thinking, what can be the best option in this wicket? And I was just trying to play like that and be positive. And my intent was very good that I wanted to put pressure on the bowler where they are going to bowl and where I can score runs.

“So my mentality is always like that. I think positive and go for my shots. Depends what the situation is. If the situation demands something else, I will enjoy that as well.”

Jaiswal stitched a valuable stand with Akash Deep, who came in as a night watchman at the end of second day’s play and dug in with discipline and flair during his time at the crease.

The duo added 107 runs for the third wicket, changing the course of the game by rotating the strike and pushing the ball to the boundary at regular intervals, with Akash helping himself to his highest Test score of 66.

“Akash batted really well. He did what he could and he was playing shots as well and defending very well. So we were just having a talk in the middle about what we can do best in that situation because we wanted him to play as long as he can play. So that will benefit us as well.

“So I was just thinking about how we can build this partnership as long as we can. So we were enjoying that and having a good fun.”

Having now scored runs across varied conditions, Jaiswal spoke about the learnings that come with playing Test cricket around the world. The left-hand batter has amassed two centuries and two half centuries in his 10 outings in the series.

Jaiswal had also played in the five-Test series at home earlier last year, finishing as the highest run getter of the series with 712 runs across five Tests.

“Of course you get a lot of experience when you play Test cricket. You are in the middle. You are learning a different kind of cricket. When you are playing in India the cricket is different.

"When you are playing in Australia, the cricket is different. When you are playing in England the game is different. So there is a lot of learning as well and understanding different kinds of wickets and the environment as well.

"So I think there is still a lot to gain and I am really enjoying it. I think the challenges are different in different places. If you are playing in India the challenge will be different.”

On the other hand, with England needing 324 more runs to clinch the series 3-1, Josh Tongue has thrown his support behind the England batters to flourish on Day 4.

England have eight wickets in hand to case down 324 more runs, following Chris Woakes' injury and Zak Crawley falling on the last ball of day three.

“Pretty chilled, not much overthinking about it. I was asked the same question at Headingley, so I don't see why not we can't chase down these runs,” said Tongue.

“I think how we play as a batting unit is obviously very positive and very exciting. The batting that we've got, I can't see why we can't give it a good go.”

Reflecting on his own learnings from the hard-fought series, the pacer said,

“I think a lot of up and downs. I feel like sometimes I didn't bowl as best as I could, especially the first day here.

“Let's just say I forgot about that first over. Very chuffed to get the wickets. And the main thing is getting the wickets for the team and put us in good positions to win games of cricket.”

Tongue picked up his second five-for figures in Test cricket, finishing with 5-125 as India were bowled out for 396 in their second innings.

ICC
 
This will be a day of entertainment and thrilling action
Keen to see the thoughts here of Indian posters @Vikram1989 @Hellion @Human786 @harshjoshi87 etc can you guys do it?

The English fans like @James @Rajdeep must be less confident of their side doing it.


England are favourites. Many English pitches in the Bazball era simply get better the longer the Test goes on .

Probably made to order by Baz and Stokes to allow England chase down any target in their overly aggresive manner.
 
Dear England,

The odds are stacked against you and you are firm favorites to lose here, but you are probably the most resilient team in the world that has won the most matches out of unlikely situations in the last 10 years or so.

Please dig deep and save the world from noise pollution just like West Indies saved the world from noise pollution today.
For me it’s all fun and games
I don’t care about winning. I just want to see blood as always.
Indian quicks if they can’t get them out just injure them. That’s what I want to see

Effectively 8 more wickets to get. Even if we lose I just want to see some broken pom bones.
 
This will be a day of entertainment and thrilling action
Keen to see the thoughts here of Indian posters @Vikram1989 @Hellion @Human786 @harshjoshi87 etc can you guys do it?

The English fans like @James @Rajdeep must be less confident of their side doing it.
On day 2 , lunch session yielded 6 wickets.on day 3, lunch and Tea session of 1 hour produced 7 wickets.I guess heavy roller is taking some time to wear off its effect.once its done, its a flurry of wickets.one more thing is yesterday was a sunny day while today is mostly cloudy so roller effect will wear off quickly.If India can be sensible with their field settings like yesterday's in and out, India should wrap it up .Root's length of stay will also be a good factor as others are ftbs.
 
Dear England,

The odds are stacked against you and you are firm favorites to lose here, but you are probably the most resilient team in the world that has won the most matches out of unlikely situations in the last 10 years or so.

Please dig deep and save the world from noise pollution just like West Indies saved the world from noise pollution today.
Nope, it’s England vs India so noise pollution will stay anyways as England are adopted cricket team of Pakistani fans and nobody celebrates home test win more than England . Only when opponent is SA or NZ, the noise pollution will be diminished.
 
I hope excuses that the best leader in the game since Bearley, “Stokes” is not playing and that made a huge difference don’t come up.

It’s not an excuse. Of course it weakens England when Stokes does not play.
 
I hope excuses that the best leader in the game since Bearley, “Stokes” is not playing and that made a huge difference don’t come up.
Stokes is a laughably overrated captain, but his presence was definitely missed in this Test as an individual performer considering his recent form.
 
The “BGT” has been around since the mid 90’s and there plenty of memorable series in the 2000s as well. However, it is only in the last 4-5 years that the name “BGT” has been shoved down our throats by Indians in a desperate attempt to counter the “Ashes”.

Until then, it was simply known as India vs Australia or Australia vs India. What’s funny is that most Australians still call it that, you would rarely hear the word “BGT” from an Australian.
 
Day 4 of the match and English analysts are talking about the Ashes with Ponting :ROFLMAO:
Test cricket and WTC are a joke precisely for this reason .

There are only about 5 competitive teams and they still care only about the Ashes.

White ball cricket taking over is not only inevitable but also in the best interests of this sport.
 
Ashes is more important than bgt no doubt

But bgt is more fierce in terms of competitiveness I feel

Nothing has been SHOVED down your throat per se. This was called out by even punter and Warne when he was still living. Standard of cricket is higher in bgt but yes ashes is more important for sure.
 
Test cricket and WTC are a joke precisely for this reason .

There are only about 5 competitive teams and they still care only about the Ashes.

White ball cricket taking over is not only inevitable but also in the best interests of this sport.

We always build towards a Ashes series. No disrespect to Team India or any other Team. Beating the Aussies is "The be - all and End - all " for Team England.
 
Dont know about the english batters but indian team is definately annoying the viewers with the unnecessary noise pollution
 
Only way to treat these Indian pacers is keep hitting them for runs. Don't allow them to settle A bit like 90's.

England are making the same mistake again.
 
Test cricket and WTC are a joke precisely for this reason .

There are only about 5 competitive teams and they still care only about the Ashes.

White ball cricket taking over is not only inevitable but also in the best interests of this sport.
Lies, look how much interest i have generated in this forumn alone.

I am an enigma
 
I don’t get why some Indians get annoyed when, during an India vs England series, people bring up the Ashes. I mean, during World Cups, Indian fans themselves keep talking about how exciting an India vs Pakistan match would be—even if India is playing some other team. And let’s be honest, most of their cricket nostalgia and past stories revolve around Pakistan anyway.
 
And that's partly why Test cricket will become ever more irrelevant in the coming years
Tell your team to start playing 5 tests with other teams as well.
Playing 2 tests against NZ and sa definitely shows where their priorities lies.
Also leaving test match in Between by giving Covid reason so that they can start ipl on time.
We have seen it all sir.
 
Tell your team to start playing 5 tests with other teams as well.
Playing 2 tests against NZ and sa definitely shows where their priorities lies.
Also leaving test match in Between by giving Covid reason so that they can start ipl on time.
We have seen it all sir.
That's upto those teams as well. Not just about "my" team.
 
Not very Bazzballsy batting from England.

These frauds only refer to this gimmicky word when it’s convenient and easy to pull it off.
 
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