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England vs Netherlands | WC'11 | Group B | Nagpur | 22/02/11

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The only way England will lose is if they lose 7 more wickets and have Anderson in.

Not happening against this attack. Game was sealed when Strauss/Pietersen got off to the start they did.
 
Problem for England, though, is there NRR won't be great after this game. That shouldn't factor into things anyway unless we see some surprise results but still..
 
Another good over. If the required rr is 7.5 in the eb=ngland power play... holland can work with this!
 
seelar is back into attack .... now lets see how does these 2 nudgers play him
 
I just don't like this partnership of Bell and Trott. It just doesn't feel right. It'd be a great test partnership but not ODI. Both tend to slow down in the middle overs. This is just going to create pressure on England and slow down the run rate I feel. Pietersen should be at 4.

Send Bell to open is the right move I feel.
 
True, they miss Morgan to give their middle order dimension. I think Trott could easily be bogged down by better spinners in these conditions.

I had England down as SFists before but with this combo, I think the better attacks could expose their batting. Bowling is slightly over-rated.
 
ads101 said:
I just don't like this partnership of Bell and Trott. It just doesn't feel right. It'd be a great test partnership but not ODI. Both tend to slow down in the middle overs. This is just going to create pressure on England and slow down the run rate I feel. Pietersen should be at 4.

Send Bell to open is the right move I feel.
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KP will fall to left arm spinners quicker then...
 
Whippy said:
Morgan is a big loss...

they're trying to do something different with KP to arrest his poor middle-order form and so they can abandon the Prior opening experiment. too early to tell if or how it will work.

I am just glad to see Bopara playing. Prior at 7 is also a potential success story on flat pitches...

the lack of a genuine finisher is worrying, but it's just bad luck with injuries. I would have had Morgan at six.

balance aside, there is no doubt that the batting lineup is strong and long (Bresnan, Broad and Swann late on), so we might get away with it.
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yup Morgan was a big loss .

The batting looks solid , which i agree ...but not scary . Eng will need to post/chase totals of 320+ at some point , which they will struggle to do I think .
 
As long as the over finishes behind the run rate.



Now, If Holland has a bowler who has overs left and has practiced his reverse swinging yorkers.....UNLEASH HIM.
 
ads101 said:
I just don't like this partnership of Bell and Trott. It just doesn't feel right. It'd be a great test partnership but not ODI. Both tend to slow down in the middle overs. This is just going to create pressure on England and slow down the run rate I feel. Pietersen should be at 4.

Send Bell to open is the right move I feel.
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Bell and Trott very solid players , for ODI's & more importantly they play well under pressure .
 
Watsupdoc said:
KP will fall to left arm spinners quicker then...
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no he won't, he never did in the past. He gets out to left arm spinners mostly because he's over confident and plays a stupid shot.

He got out to a rubbish delivery again as an opener.

The problem is to do with his position. It's a mental thing. He's always been prone to giving his wicket away, but these days in limited overs he goes after bowlers to much, tries to bang the first ball of the over, goes after too many balls, always going for the boundary instead of the singles. It's frustrating. Pietersen needs to fix this problem and quick. In his prime he was of the best no.4 ODI batsman in the world at that time.
 
The Warks players are doing fine. Even 80 off the last 10 with 8 wickets in hand is more than comfortable. So I think Trott will have a pop once the RRR goes above 7
 
jusarrived said:
Bell and Trott very solid players , for ODI's & more importantly they play well under pressure .
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They are. I'm a huge fan of Bell.

But with 2 wickets down and 150+ on the scoreboard, they aren't the ideal players to be at the crease. One of them maximum. A bit of aggressive hitting and quick scoring would have taken the game out of the hands of Netherlands completely.

If England are in trouble e.g. 50-4 then I couldn't think of two better batsman at the crease. But that's not the case nor will be if Bell's coming in at 4.
 
ads101 said:
They are. I'm a huge fan of Bell.

But with 2 wickets down and 150+ on the scoreboard, they aren't the ideal players to be at the crease. One of them maximum. A bit of aggressive hitting and quick scoring would have taken the game out of the hands of Netherlands completely.

If England are in trouble e.g. 50-4 then I couldn't think of two better batsman at the crease. But that's not the case nor will be if Bell's coming in at 4.
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Like i said earlier , the problem is not Bell or Trott , but lack of a big hitter down the order .Though I agree KP should not be opening .
 
watever might be the result... eng have under performed n will put them under immense pressure for their game against india ... although its still early days, but we've seen sum weak points in their bowling already ... n perhaps fielding too
 
Holland need to disrupt Trott. P**s him off a bit. Give it large to England!

They can certainly expect something to change for them.
 
Indians r losing it,,jeeezz
Oh man that world cup song sang by indians is pathetic,,,bakwaas,,,
wots "day guma kay" I thought it was associated as slang to slap some one or punch someone...
 
Cook will go down as one of England's best ever test match openers, but he is probably too slow for ODIs.
 
Rate is creeping up with every dot ball- netherlands need to keep this up and get a wicket or two to really pile the pressure on England
 
jusarrived said:
Like i said earlier , the problem is not Bell or Trott , but lack of a big hitter down the order .Though I agree KP should not be opening .
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I agree with you.

But England in general have never really had bigger hitters down the order. They've always gone with the likes of Pietersen who is a big hitter coming in, in the middle orders. That's their style of play. Promoting Pietersen to opening means there's no big hitters at all coming in after opening. Maybe they should look into a big hitter though.

England don't play this sort of game where they consolidate and then go for the big shots near the end of the innings. They like to bat through the order, everyone contributing keeping the scoreboard ticking with singles and the occasional boundary.


There's nothing wrong with Trott, Bell or Collingwood. All fine ODI batsmen. But playing them together is a worry. They all do pretty much the same job. They're not players who can potentially chase you big scores after a shaky start.
 
After this stirring performance England must be a safe bet for the final. Have a go at predicting the outcome of the World Cup with our predictor game

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I think, Holland should keep these two for another 5-6 overs..
Run Rate's gonna creep up...and then they can put pressure on new batsmen..
 
Whippy said:
Cook will go down as one of England's best ever test match openers, but he is probably too slow for ODIs.
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He is mainly aggressive on the leg side anyways. If he can show some agression on the off and down the track, we can see him up there with straussy.

KP is a no.4. He gives a much needed deapth to that line up.
 
The problem with England is the lack of . . . everything. Who are the really good ODI players in this team? Pietersen . . . on his day, whenever that is. Trott's a good batsman but he's one good batsman, and he's not going to decimate the opposition. Graeme Swann is the only one who is a top ODI player. The rest of the players are poor, and were chosen over BETTER players who are right now sat at home watching us struggling to overcome Holland. Okay, so it looks like we'll win, but what difference does it make? We're not looking a very good bet to get beyond the quarter-finals at all, and given our ODI form at present it's not impossible to conceive of a situation in which we fail to make it that far. I honestly thought this team had turned some corners, but that was proven wrong when Flower and the selectors picked a poor squad, including players who can only be described as 'favourites' (see Luke Wright, Michael Yardy and James Tredwell, who continue to pick up international caps that they would struggle to win if they were Bangladeshi), for this World Cup. Hopefully, they're looking at the likes of Steve Davies, Samit Patel, James Taylor, James Hildreth and Alex Hales to come into this side (again, in some cases) in the future.
 
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many eng supporters present in the ground ..
i wonder if pakistanis will spare sum holidays for a wc :13:

larry, zee, rizwan etc perhaps?
 
85 of last 10 with 6 wickets in hand is is easily done . Cant see how Eng can lose this one .
 
78 needed from 66.

Dutch need a wicket or even two here!
 
munna_ said:
many eng supporters present in the ground ..
i wonder if pakistanis will spare sum holidays for a wc :13:

larry, zee, rizwan etc perhaps?
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Pak Brits are not welcome in India.

Come on take the powerplay and finish this.
 
Taurus, Broad is a good ODI player as well. Trott, KP, Morgan, Broad and Swann is a genuine backbone for a one-day side. Who would you have chosen? Owais Shah is probably closer to the side after England's rubbish season in ODIs. I'm glad that Bopara has been brought back, very talented.
 
Taurus said:
The problem with England is the lack of . . . everything. Who are the really good ODI players in this team? Pietersen . . . on his day, whenever that is. Trott's a good batsman but he's one good batsman, and he's not going to decimate the opposition. Graeme Swann is the only one who is a top ODI player. The rest of the players are poor, and were chosen over BETTER players who are right now sat at home watching us struggling to overcome Holland. Okay, so it looks like we'll win, but what difference does it make? We're not looking a very good bet to get beyond the quarter-finals at all, and given our ODI form at present it's not impossible to conceive of a situation in which we fail to make it that far. I honestly thought this team had turned some corners, but that was proven wrong when Flower and the selectors picked a poor squad, including players who can only be described as 'favourites' (see Luke Wright, Michael Yardy and James Tredwell, who continue to pick up international caps that they would struggle to win if they were Bangladeshi), for this World Cup. Hopefully, they're looking at the likes of Steve Davies, Samit Patel, James Taylor, James Hildreth and Alex Hales to come into this side (again, in some cases) in the future.
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I don't follow county cricket so much. I don't know which batsmen they could have chosen over the batsmen they have now. Ok some are out of form, but they didn't really have a choice. Bopara has been picked after all anyway after a good period of domestic cricket. Which batsmen would you choose over these? I'd be interested to know.

Maybe Pietersen needs a break from international cricket. He's never looked like the same player he once was after giving up captaincy. I hoped he'd rediscover that form, but it's not looking good.

Yardy, Tredwell, Wright I agree no idea why they're in the squad. Tremlett should have been in the actual squad.

I still think the bowling attack is top notch. Broad and Swann are some of the best ODI bowlers in cricket today.
 
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