English counties prefer Zafar Gohar over all Pakistani spinners, while Pakistan pick Nauman & Sajid

[Major]

English counties prefer Zafar Gohar over all Pakistani spinners, while Pakistan pick Nauman & Sajid

Zafar Gohar has been playing for english counties for more 2-3 seasons i would guess?

He keeps on getting selected and preffered by English counties ever since he performed well against England with Pakistan A.

Interesting enough, pakistan ignores him and prefer Sajid Khan and Nauman Ali.

There is no cricket season in Pakistan currently, and we all know English cricket doesnt have any good spinners. Yet out of all the spinners they went with zafar gohar and not sajid or nauman.

Why is it that we ignore Zafar while English counties sees him as a better spinner than any other spinner currently from Pakistan?

Should Pakiatan go with Zafar now in international cricket?

 

[Bilal Ahmad15]

I can't believe so many people don't even consider Zafar Gohar for the Pakistan team. Zafar Gohar made his debut against New Zealand in a match where even New Zealand didn't play their leading spinner. It's very unfair to drop a player after just one match. He should be in the lineup alongside Mohammad Nawaz. The problem with this though is you have two left-arm spinners, Mohammad Nawaz isn't that great as a bowler. Better to have two different types of spinners.

Bowling lineup in home test matches:


7. Mohammad Nawaz (All-rounder)
8. Zafar Gohar
9. Shaheen Afridi
10. Hassan Ali (Not for long)
11. Naseem Shah

Other spin options that are available are Sajid Khan and Shadab Khan, thing is Shadab Khan doesn't seem interested in FC, test cricket...

 

[topspin]

I always enjoyed watching Zafar Gohar bowl and he's very highly rated. Unfortunately, Misbah set the precedent by excluding him from the side.

Just after 2019 WC, it seemed like he was going to return to play Pakistan until Misbah decided to take matters in own hands to lynch the Head Coach and Chief Selector role for himself.

I hope Misbah will reflect on actions during this Holy month and he'll have the heart to give Zafar a personal and public apology. That is the least he can do.

 

[ChipShot]

I can't believe so many people don't even consider Zafar Gohar for the Pakistan team. Zafar Gohar made his debut against New Zealand in a match where even New Zealand didn't play their leading spinner. It's very unfair to drop a player after just one match. He should be in the lineup alongside Mohammad Nawaz. The problem with this though is you have two left-arm spinners, Mohammad Nawaz isn't that great as a bowler. Better to have two different types of spinners.

Bowling lineup in home test matches:


7. Mohammad Nawaz (All-rounder)
8. Zafar Gohar
9. Shaheen Afridi
10. Hassan Ali (Not for long)
11. Naseem Shah

Other spin options that are available are Sajid Khan and Shadab Khan, thing is Shadab Khan doesn't seem interested in FC, test cricket...

Zafar and Zahid should be our front line bowlers. Zahid is the best legspinner in domestic circuit, especially in longer formats. Its a shame Babar rarely plays him, in shorter formats perhaps due to his relative Usman Qadir or friend Shadab whose places could come into question if Zahid performs

Three pacers is overkill in domestic, except in Pindi/Abottabad.

Hasan Ali with his height, pace and overall skills should be maybe 10th on the list of front line bowlers, way behind Mir Hamza, Sabeen Gul, Harris Rauf, Dahani, even Faheem Ashraf, etc

 

[sy]

Reminds me a little of Imran Tahir! He played for a few counties whilst Pakistan ignored him and eventually lost out big time.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Zafar Gohar is the best spinner in domestic FC cricket that we have. He is also far more credible with the bat than both Sajid and Nauman.

What surprises me is that they debut him on a green pitch in New Zealand...in a match where New Zealand themselves fielded an all-pace attack, and then drop him and forget about him.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I always enjoyed watching Zafar Gohar bowl and he's very highly rated. Unfortunately, Misbah set the precedent by excluding him from the side.

Just after 2019 WC, it seemed like he was going to return to play Pakistan until Misbah decided to take matters in own hands to lynch the Head Coach and Chief Selector role for himself.

I hope Misbah will reflect on actions during this Holy month and he'll have the heart to give Zafar a personal and public apology. That is the least he can do.

You are actually completely wrong here. If anything, Misbah is the only person who has backed him to some extent.

In 2015, when Misbah was captain Gohar was supposed to make his test debut against England in UAE. However, he overslept and missed his flight to UAE. So yeah, that was Gohar's fault, not Misbah's.

5 years later, it was Misbah who selected him in the test squad for the tour of New Zealand. And as soon as Misbah left the job, Mohammad Waseem dropped Gohar from the test squad. Because ofcourse the PowerPoint King wanted to gain clout by selecting his own guys...from whose performances he, and only he could take credit for.

There are alot of people to blame for Gohar not being in the test side (including Gohar himself) but Misbah isn't one of them.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Zafar Gohar and Mohammad Nawaz should be our two main spinners in test matches. I don't care that they are both left-arm spinners. Gohar has 63 wickets in 2 seasons since the the tournament was revamped. Nawaz has done well with both bat and ball and has scored multiple centuries and taken five wicket hauls since the revamp.

They are young...they are far more credible with the bat than Sajid and Nauman, and they should both be playing for Pakistan.

 

[hitthestump]

Zafar Gohar and Mohammad Nawaz should be our two main spinners in test matches. I don't care that they are both left-arm spinners.

It will definitely matter and also be the first thing anyone brings up when it doesn't work out. Better to assume these two are playing for 1 spot.

 

[Titan24]

Zafar Gohar is the best spinner in domestic FC cricket that we have. He is also far more credible with the bat than both Sajid and Nauman.

What surprises me is that they debut him on a green pitch in New Zealand...in a match where New Zealand themselves fielded an all-pace attack, and then drop him and forget about him.

There is no doubt that Zafar has potential to be a pretty useful player but, the issue is that his numbers since the restructured domestic system dont present him as the best spinner in FC cricket. The spinners currently in the team have been the best ones since the new structure has come in. However, at the age Nauman was selected there was only little bit of form he could have seen at international level.

Surely if we can push in the youngsters based upon potential and without much FC experience then based upon potential and good amount of FC experience Zafar deserves a go especially after the last series where we lacked in spin department.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

He has regressed alot in last couple of years.

 

[Saj]

Pakistan's spin bowling options for Test cricket are very thin.

The quality just isn't there. In fact most of the guys available are average rather than good.

It's an area that PCB really needs to look at.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

He has regressed alot in last couple of years.

That's what happens when you are left to play against mediocre sideS in domestic. He should have been a regular member of test squad which would have given him lot of exposure.

 

[ElRaja]

county is significantly easier than pak domestics for spinners, he averages 17 with the ball for Gloucestershire, 40 for central punjab, if he cant hold his place down as the first spinner for central, he should have moved to balochistan like abdullah shafique did, but he wont.

he is not in national team contention so Gloucestershire get consistent use of him, secondly im guessing he might be aiming to marry a local and qualify as a local player, and given hes 27 he could have a good pro career as a local.

pakistan has issues cos it has no spinners, but zafar is unlikely the answer, also comparisions to imran tahir are a false equivalence, tahir averaged mid 20s in pak domestics, and moved because he had signficant competition in kaneria, afridi for leg spin spots. zafar cant hold down his domestic first class spot in pakistan.

 

[Kaddy]

Pakistan's spin bowling options for Test cricket are very thin.

The quality just isn't there. In fact most of the guys available are average rather than good.

It's an area that PCB really needs to look at.

In fact Pakistan's fast bowling options for test cricket are very thin as well.

We have some decent upcoming batsmen waiting for their chances in test cricket but when it comes to bowling, situation is different.

We simply don't have the bowling lineup which can take 20 wickets in a test match in all conditions.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

There is no doubt that Zafar has potential to be a pretty useful player but, the issue is that his numbers since the restructured domestic system dont present him as the best spinner in FC cricket. The spinners currently in the team have been the best ones since the new structure has come in. However, at the age Nauman was selected there was only little bit of form he could have seen at international level.

Surely if we can push in the youngsters based upon potential and without much FC experience then based upon potential and good amount of FC experience Zafar deserves a go especially after the last series where we lacked in spin department.

That's debatable. The pitches that were dished out in the first season very batting-friendly. And that trend more or less continued for the next two seasons. Despite bowling on unhelpful pitches though, Zafar took loads of wickets...in both seasons. And he has been pretty useful with the bat too with a century to boot.

Like you said, Zafar presents a good combination of both relevant FC experience and not being 40+ which so many spinners on the domestic circuit seem to be.

 

[Kianig89]

English County has eye for talent unlike the 2 uncles we have in our team the trio of Shadab Nawaz and Zafar should be persisted with

 

[Marooned]

That's debatable. The pitches that were dished out in the first season very batting-friendly. And that trend more or less continued for the next two seasons. Despite bowling on unhelpful pitches though, Zafar took loads of wickets...in both seasons. And he has been pretty useful with the bat too with a century to boot.

Like you said, Zafar presents a good combination of both relevant FC experience and not being 40+ which so many spinners on the domestic circuit seem to be.

Numan, Sajid and bilal asif comfortably outbowled him on same pitches.

 

[Bewal Express]

Zafar is a barely a county bowler and some are suggesting he is PK test level. The other guys are just as bad. Terrible spin options, going on the weakest in our history.

 

[Markhor]

There is no doubt that Zafar has potential to be a pretty useful player but, the issue is that his numbers since the restructured domestic system dont present him as the best spinner in FC cricket. The spinners currently in the team have been the best ones since the new structure has come in.

Correct. The limitations of Nauman and Sajid have been exposed but that shouldn't disguise the fact Zafar's PAK FC numbers haven't been up to the mark.

2019/20:

ZAFAR - 38 wickets at 36.76.
NAUMAN - 54 wickets at 25.38.
SAJID - 25 wickets at 24.96.

2020/21:

ZAFAR - Did not feature.
NAUMAN - 61 wickets at 23.16.
SAJID - 67 wickets at 25.08.

2021/22:

ZAFAR - 25 wickets at 43.64.
NAUMAN - 21 wickets at 35.90.
SAJID - 27 wickets at 26.77.

It's difficult to argue selectors have done Zafar any injustice. Granted Zafar's numbers are better for Gloucestershire, but the standard of County Cricket in its present state is arguably inferior to even PAK's much criticised domestic setup. English FC batsmen are very weak against spin.

Then the question is to select Zafar on basis of potential like how England's selectors are doing with Zak Crawley. Despite mediocre FC numbers, they're betting he'll improve being in the national setup, and that there's no standout alternatives.

Personally, I normally defer to [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] on spin bowling who was on the money with Sajid and Nauman, and it appears Zafar has technical issues to resolve. Perhaps he'll improve working with Saqlain who needs to earn his wage and sort out our spin department for our next Test series in Sri Lanka.

 

[Bewal Express]

Correct. The limitations of Nauman and Sajid have been exposed but that shouldn't disguise the fact Zafar's PAK FC numbers haven't been up to the mark.

2019/20:

ZAFAR - 38 wickets at 36.76.
NAUMAN - 54 wickets at 25.38.
SAJID - 25 wickets at 24.96.

2020/21:

ZAFAR - Did not feature.
NAUMAN - 61 wickets at 23.16.
SAJID - 67 wickets at 25.08.

2021/22:

ZAFAR - 25 wickets at 43.64.
NAUMAN - 21 wickets at 35.90.
SAJID - 27 wickets at 26.77.

It's difficult to argue selectors have done Zafar any injustice. Granted Zafar's numbers are better for Gloucestershire, but the standard of County Cricket in its present state is arguably inferior to even PAK's much criticised domestic setup. English FC batsmen are very weak against spin.

Then the question is to select Zafar on basis of potential like how England's selectors are doing with Zak Crawley. Despite mediocre FC numbers, they're betting he'll improve being in the national setup, and that there's no standout alternatives.

Personally, I normally defer to [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] on spin bowling who was on the money with Sajid and Nauman, and it appears Zafar has technical issues to resolve. Perhaps he'll improve working with Saqlain who needs to earn his wage and sort out our spin department for our next Test series in Sri Lanka.

I may across as harsh to Zafar but for me he is just as bad as the Sajid and Nauman. None of them are terrible but they will not get good batsman out because they don't impart enough spin. Ironically Zafar was a better bowler at the U19 level then he is now. He had much stronger action and there seemed to be more action on the ball.

The options are poor- The left arm spinner in the U19 WC team who bowled fast spin has something but needs to lose around 7 mph from his bowling and look to flight and guile for his wickets.Asghar has a bit of talent but can't land the ball twice in the same place and outside these options, I haven't seen anything to talk about.

 

[Saj]

Also regarding overseas pros in County cricket, it isn't always the best ones who get picked. Sometimes availability and the price of the player is important to the club.

 

[Raja Ishtiaq]

Sajid is miles better. A proper spinner!

 

[hitthestump]

Zafar is a barely a county bowler and some are suggesting he is PK test level. The other guys are just as bad. Terrible spin options, going on the weakest in our history.

Indeed. There's never been a time when Pakistan didn't have a very good spinner. It's been a quietly underrated part of our history.

With the slide of Yasir it's shockingly apparent for once we have nobody to replace him with.

 

[hitthestump]

Pakistan's spin bowling options for Test cricket are very thin.

The quality just isn't there. In fact most of the guys available are average rather than good.

It's an area that PCB really needs to look at.

The PCB needs to look at this, middle order batting and fast bowling?

Or do we need to accept the reality that Pakistan cricket as a whole is on the decline save for a couple of individuals who are literally carrying the team right now.

 

[Shafi]

Sajid is miles better. A proper spinner!

Sajid is a spinner!!! This guy shouldn’t even have play in ist div let alone national team

 

[Titan24]

The PCB needs to look at this, middle order batting and fast bowling?

Or do we need to accept the reality that Pakistan cricket as a whole is on the decline save for a couple of individuals who are literally carrying the team right now.

In pace bowling and batting we have decent base talent coming in, how they are developed will have to be seen but we already have proven performers in Shaheen, Babar in each category and decent support players as well with some shaping up pretty well.

However, in spin bowling even the base talent coming in is pretty thin with not much young spinners to talk highly about. Yes there are few one can say can may be develop in years to come but, probability of producing a world class/top performer in any facet of the game lies upon how many decent players are in the pipeline. More chance of getting a top player developed out of a decent lot of for example 12-15 then 4-6.

So issue with spin department is not only we have in spin department currently but, pipeline is not that extensive as well. Something that needs to really improve.

 

[hitthestump]

In pace bowling and batting we have decent base talent coming in

Like who? Saud Shakeel is being plasted as some kind of test match saviour but the reality is that he can't even get into the team over Fawad and Azhar right now. The selectors must know something.

Fast bowling in Pakistan is dead. Shaheen aside there is nobody of genuine international class.

Spin is not unique in this regard. Pakistan cricket as a whole is not producing anyone in any departments.

 

[shamaan]

Like who? Saud Shakeel is being plasted as some kind of test match saviour but the reality is that he can't even get into the team over Fawad and Azhar right now. The selectors must know something.

Fast bowling in Pakistan is dead. Shaheen aside there is nobody of genuine international class.

Spin is not unique in this regard. Pakistan cricket as a whole is not producing anyone in any departments.

Pakistan always let the older players of the team retire on thier own terms.

I disagree fast bowling is dead.

 

[Saj]

The fact is that even Yasir Shah with all his fitness issues is still better than most spinners currently in Pakistan.

The harsh reality.

 

[Titan24]

Like who? Saud Shakeel is being plasted as some kind of test match saviour but the reality is that he can't even get into the team over Fawad and Azhar right now. The selectors must know something.

Fast bowling in Pakistan is dead. Shaheen aside there is nobody of genuine international class.

Spin is not unique in this regard. Pakistan cricket as a whole is not producing anyone in any departments.

Azhar and Fawad playing does not manifest much about the skills of Saud Shakeel in red ball cricket. Saud Shakeel outbatted Fawad in the last season or two they both played of FC cricket when were not in Pak side.

There are players in the pipeline as mentioned in the batting and bowling department, how they are developed is yet to be seen. You can go into Shaheen's first impressions thread when he debuted for LQ in PSL and even couple of years afterwards to realize how most people are unable to judge international class unless someone proves himself at international level when there is not much debate left.

Batting (Just covering the young ones)

Abdullah Shafique 22 (Already scoring runs at test level)
Qasim Akram 19 (Broke the world record in U19 WC and his List A stats so far have been impressive)
Mohammad Hurraira 19 (Scored 986 runs in his debut FC season averaging 58 with highest of 311)
Haider Ali 21 (Averages 54 in FC cricket currently and Mohammad Wasim rated his red ball cricket more)
Omair Yousuf 23 (Had an off last season but looks a decent prospect for red ball cricket)

Quite a few in the current pipeline as well like Kamran Ghulam who broke the QAE record of most runs in a season and has matured his game in other formats as well.

In WK department we have someone like Mohammad Haris as backup to Riz coming in whose whiteball skills on display have been impressive and his stats endorse that as well. Yes will have to see more in red ball cricket but, what I have seen he can shape himself into a decent red ball keeper as well. Hassebullah Khan and Rohail are also in the pipeline.

In terms of pace bowling we currently have (Again only covering the young ones);

Shahnawaz Dahani 23 (Has been performing across the formats since coming into limelight, consistently bowls 140kph)
Naseem Shah 20-21 (His FC stats can be seen, another one who can bowl 140 kph consistently and already got his county contract and the Hundred contract at the age of 20-21)
Arshad Iqbal 21 (Tall and strongly built lad who hits the deck hard, currently averages 28 and has taken 40 wickets in FC cricket, his T20 stats have been impressive too)
Sameen Gul 23 (Tall with a natural inwinger with new ball, currently has over 120 wickets at an average of 21, struggled a bit in the new structure but had a decent last season)
Wasim Jr (Despite all the doubts and criticism, guy averages 15 in T20I after 11 matches, 31 in ODIs after 3 matches (Was one of the best ones with the older ball on show in the Pak vs Aus series) and 24 in FC cricket, speeds are regularly in mid to high 130s and gases it upto early/mid 140s)
Khurram Shehzad 22-24 (Seams the ball after pitching, pretty accurate with the new ball and at the death overs, has been part of Shaheens, has struggled a bit with injury in the last red ball season if I am not wrong but, then was impressive in Pakistan cup and has good FC as well as T20 stats)
Akif Javed 22 (Tall, 140 kph left arm pacer who can bring the ball in. Stats dont do much justice yet, he struggled with a career threatening ligament tear in knee but, definitely one of the quality pace bowling talent around imo)

Not including Zeeshan Zameer (140/mid 140s pacer with one of the most efficient actions around, havent seen Babar getting out due to extra pace the way he did against him in PSL) and few other upcoming pacers who havent played at domestic level much yet.

If this is not a decent pipeline of young pacers and batsmen then not sure what is. We can talk about the pipeline of other countries as well for comparison however, as have mentioned previously its all goes down to how much effort they are willing to put in and how they are developed.

 

[Marooned]

Azhar and Fawad playing does not manifest much about the skills of Saud Shakeel in red ball cricket. Saud Shakeel outbatted Fawad in the last season or two they both played of FC cricket when were not in Pak side.

There are players in the pipeline as mentioned in the batting and bowling department, how they are developed is yet to be seen. You can go into Shaheen's first impressions thread when he debuted for LQ in PSL and even couple of years afterwards to realize how most people are unable to judge international class unless someone proves himself at international level when there is not much debate left.

Batting (Just covering the young ones)

Abdullah Shafique 22 (Already scoring runs at test level)
Qasim Akram 19 (Broke the world record in U19 WC and his List A stats so far have been impressive)
Mohammad Hurraira 19 (Scored 986 runs in his debut FC season averaging 58 with highest of 311)
Haider Ali 21 (Averages 54 in FC cricket currently and Mohammad Wasim rated his red ball cricket more)
Omair Yousuf 23 (Had an off last season but looks a decent prospect for red ball cricket)

Quite a few in the current pipeline as well like Kamran Ghulam who broke the QAE record of most runs in a season and has matured his game in other formats as well.

In WK department we have someone like Mohammad Haris as backup to Riz coming in whose whiteball skills on display have been impressive and his stats endorse that as well. Yes will have to see more in red ball cricket but, what I have seen he can shape himself into a decent red ball keeper as well. Hassebullah Khan and Rohail are also in the pipeline.

In terms of pace bowling we currently have (Again only covering the young ones);

Shahnawaz Dahani 23 (Has been performing across the formats since coming into limelight, consistently bowls 140kph)
Naseem Shah 20-21 (His FC stats can be seen, another one who can bowl 140 kph consistently and already got his county contract and the Hundred contract at the age of 20-21)
Arshad Iqbal 21 (Tall and strongly built lad who hits the deck hard, currently averages 28 and has taken 40 wickets in FC cricket, his T20 stats have been impressive too)
Sameen Gul 23 (Tall with a natural inwinger with new ball, currently has over 120 wickets at an average of 21, struggled a bit in the new structure but had a decent last season)
Wasim Jr (Despite all the doubts and criticism, guy averages 15 in T20I after 11 matches, 31 in ODIs after 3 matches (Was one of the best ones with the older ball on show in the Pak vs Aus series) and 24 in FC cricket, speeds are regularly in mid to high 130s and gases it upto early/mid 140s)
Khurram Shehzad 22-24 (Seams the ball after pitching, pretty accurate with the new ball and at the death overs, has been part of Shaheens, has struggled a bit with injury in the last red ball season if I am not wrong but, then was impressive in Pakistan cup and has good FC as well as T20 stats)
Akif Javed 22 (Tall, 140 kph left arm pacer who can bring the ball in. Stats dont do much justice yet, he struggled with a career threatening ligament tear in knee but, definitely one of the quality pace bowling talent around imo)

Not including Zeeshan Zameer (140/mid 140s pacer with one of the most efficient actions around, havent seen Babar getting out due to extra pace the way he did against him in PSL) and few other upcoming pacers who havent played at domestic level much yet.

If this is not a decent pipeline of young pacers and batsmen then not sure what is. We can talk about the pipeline of other countries as well for comparison however, as have mentioned previously its all goes down to how much effort they are willing to put in and how they are developed.

Potw.

I had mentioned the same thing but for some weird reasons mods haven't made that visible.

Everyone can judge quality based on international performance. The important thing is being able to see potential and there is plenty there.

 

[hitthestump]

Potw.

I had mentioned the same thing but for some weird reasons mods haven't made that visible.

Everyone can judge quality based on international performance. The important thing is being able to see potential and there is plenty there.

Disagree that its potw.

We have seen from the likes of Asif Ali, Khushdil Shah, Iftikhar Ahmed et al. that domestic performances in Pakistan mean close to nothing when it comes to international cricket.

There isn't a single name mentioned i'm excited about tbh. Not one who is consistently pulling up trees or getting themselves firmly noted. Just some young, hot and cold domestic performers who are unproven at international level and that's it.

 

[sweep_shot]

Zafar Gohar didn't get a lengthy run. He was discarded too quickly.

I think he should replace one from Nauman and Sajid.

 

[Major]

The fact is that even Yasir Shah with all his fitness issues is still better than most spinners currently in Pakistan.

The harsh reality.

Does yasir shah have age related fitness issues due to the kind of bowling action he has got? Because i remember he used to be the most energetic guy in the team

 

[Marooned]

Disagree that its potw.

We have seen from the likes of Asif Ali, Khushdil Shah, Iftikhar Ahmed et al. that domestic performances in Pakistan mean close to nothing when it comes to international cricket.

There isn't a single name mentioned i'm excited about tbh. Not one who is consistently pulling up trees or getting themselves firmly noted. Just some young, hot and cold domestic performers who are unproven at international level and that's it.

I had made a lengthy post explaining all I had to say which the mods didn't make visible. Not doing it again.

If you couldn't tell asif khushdil aren't international class just by watching them I don't have much to say.

There's nothing to 'disagree' here. You don't see potential where others (including me) do.

I hope you don't think your excitement or lack thereof about any player is a barometer of talent.

 

[shamaan]

Azhar and Fawad playing does not manifest much about the skills of Saud Shakeel in red ball cricket. Saud Shakeel outbatted Fawad in the last season or two they both played of FC cricket when were not in Pak side.

There are players in the pipeline as mentioned in the batting and bowling department, how they are developed is yet to be seen. You can go into Shaheen's first impressions thread when he debuted for LQ in PSL and even couple of years afterwards to realize how most people are unable to judge international class unless someone proves himself at international level when there is not much debate left.

Batting (Just covering the young ones)

Abdullah Shafique 22 (Already scoring runs at test level)
Qasim Akram 19 (Broke the world record in U19 WC and his List A stats so far have been impressive)
Mohammad Hurraira 19 (Scored 986 runs in his debut FC season averaging 58 with highest of 311)
Haider Ali 21 (Averages 54 in FC cricket currently and Mohammad Wasim rated his red ball cricket more)
Omair Yousuf 23 (Had an off last season but looks a decent prospect for red ball cricket)

Quite a few in the current pipeline as well like Kamran Ghulam who broke the QAE record of most runs in a season and has matured his game in other formats as well.

In WK department we have someone like Mohammad Haris as backup to Riz coming in whose whiteball skills on display have been impressive and his stats endorse that as well. Yes will have to see more in red ball cricket but, what I have seen he can shape himself into a decent red ball keeper as well. Hassebullah Khan and Rohail are also in the pipeline.

In terms of pace bowling we currently have (Again only covering the young ones);

Shahnawaz Dahani 23 (Has been performing across the formats since coming into limelight, consistently bowls 140kph)
Naseem Shah 20-21 (His FC stats can be seen, another one who can bowl 140 kph consistently and already got his county contract and the Hundred contract at the age of 20-21)
Arshad Iqbal 21 (Tall and strongly built lad who hits the deck hard, currently averages 28 and has taken 40 wickets in FC cricket, his T20 stats have been impressive too)
Sameen Gul 23 (Tall with a natural inwinger with new ball, currently has over 120 wickets at an average of 21, struggled a bit in the new structure but had a decent last season)
Wasim Jr (Despite all the doubts and criticism, guy averages 15 in T20I after 11 matches, 31 in ODIs after 3 matches (Was one of the best ones with the older ball on show in the Pak vs Aus series) and 24 in FC cricket, speeds are regularly in mid to high 130s and gases it upto early/mid 140s)
Khurram Shehzad 22-24 (Seams the ball after pitching, pretty accurate with the new ball and at the death overs, has been part of Shaheens, has struggled a bit with injury in the last red ball season if I am not wrong but, then was impressive in Pakistan cup and has good FC as well as T20 stats)
Akif Javed 22 (Tall, 140 kph left arm pacer who can bring the ball in. Stats dont do much justice yet, he struggled with a career threatening ligament tear in knee but, definitely one of the quality pace bowling talent around imo)

Not including Zeeshan Zameer (140/mid 140s pacer with one of the most efficient actions around, havent seen Babar getting out due to extra pace the way he did against him in PSL) and few other upcoming pacers who havent played at domestic level much yet.

If this is not a decent pipeline of young pacers and batsmen then not sure what is. We can talk about the pipeline of other countries as well for comparison however, as have mentioned previously its all goes down to how much effort they are willing to put in and how they are developed.

Also irfanullah shah aswell

 

[Titan24]

We have seen from the likes of Asif Ali, Khushdil Shah, Iftikhar Ahmed et al. that domestic performances in Pakistan mean close to nothing when it comes to international cricket.

Please note that below numbers are not meant to prove them as world beaters rather to manifest that the difference mentioned in terms of domestic numbers vs international numbers is not as huge as its usually suggested. Another important point is that other than Asif Ali none of the other have played 30 matches combined in both white ball formats so the sample size is pretty low.

Asif Ali
List A average; 29
ODI average; 25

T20 average; 24
T20I average; 17

Khushdil Shah
List A average; 42
ODI average; 39

T20 average; 28
T20I average; 23.50

Iftikhar Ahmed
List A average; 49.80
ODI average; 24

T20 average; 28
T20I average; 30

Other than Iftikhar's ODI average after 9 international innings there is not much earth shattering difference in the averages of the 3 players you mentioned in domestic cricket vs international cricket. In T20Is it should be noted that the batting number makes quite a bit of difference in terms of the balls you can get to be settled at the crease vs starting hitting from the word go, that is why you might see bit of variation in SR as well as averages however, thats more to do with the role variation some players have to face when they play international cricket than them not being able to play most of the times.

There isn't a single name mentioned i'm excited about tbh. Not one who is consistently pulling up trees or getting themselves firmly noted. Just some young, hot and cold domestic performers who are unproven at international level and that's it.

I clearly stated "covering the young ones" i.e the names I have mentioned were early teenage-20s guys playing their first or second seasons. They cant keep "consistently pulling up trees" in one or two seasons. There are few in mid 20s/late 20s who have been performing at domestic level and are already in the international radar and squads which you will call your immediate talent pipeline (Kamran Ghulam is one such example from batting side).

You talked about producing talent and I provided the young pipeline in the two facets of the game.

However, if you are only going to accept someone as a potential if the player performs at international level and keeps doing so for 2-3 years then the whole discussion is futile. There is no way anyone can prove to you that a certain player will become a class international player and there is no way to predict how a player develops so the only barometer of discussion can be where a player stands now taking into account his age and performances at domestic level. That is why I mentioned that you can revisit the thread of Shaheen Shah Afridi's initial impressions thread and count how many people predicted he is going to be a world class player, you will find many who said he does not look anything special. He played just 1 FC match before getting his name in the test squad, now ofcourse based upon his performances and stats every one can say that he is a class bowler.

Finishing it on the note that every legend or world class player you have seen in cricket was once a young performing (Sometimes only decently performing but, with glimpses of class) player at domestic level. When one talks about talent in a given cricket or any sporting structure, the key thing to see is the talent pipeline. So the question is always that do you have decent number of young upcoming cricketers performing against established FC & international or atleast showing glimpses of the class they have? If yes then there is a "chance" (Probability depends upon how many such young players are in the pipeline) that few of them will become quality international players.

In spin department we dont have much and thats where the discussion started. In batting and pace bowling we have and again how they respond or developed is yet to be seen.

 

[Titan24]

Also irfanullah shah aswell

A decent red ball prospect to have in the pipeline and his numbers show that. His pace might be what Abbas offers or maybe slightly more but, the bit of extra advantage he gets is from his height which allows him to extract that bit of extra bounce. With his current pace he wont offer much in white ball cricket though.

 

[hitthestump]

A decent red ball prospect to have in the pipeline and his numbers show that. His pace might be what Abbas offers or maybe slightly more but, the bit of extra advantage he gets is from his height which allows him to extract that bit of extra bounce. With his current pace he wont offer much in white ball cricket though.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. All the same was said about Khushdil, Haider, Zeeshan, Musa, Hasnain, Rauf etc. etc. etc. etc.

You can tell when someone like Shaheen stands out among his peers in domestics and PSL. You do not see that at all from any of the names you mentioned.

But anyway there's no point discussing further. Let's wait and see whether the lack of spin is an anomaly or is it significant of a general lack of talent in the country.

 

[shamaan]

A decent red ball prospect to have in the pipeline and his numbers show that. His pace might be what Abbas offers or maybe slightly more but, the bit of extra advantage he gets is from his height which allows him to extract that bit of extra bounce. With his current pace he wont offer much in white ball cricket though.

Yes definitely a prospect in Red Ball cricket but not in white ball cricket.

 

[Bewal Express]

I was watching some highlights of some Karachi Ramadan tournament and Ashiq Ali was bowling. The guy had a nice action and some flight. I then looked him up on YouTube and he also took some wickets 2 years ago. Due to the poor quality of the videos it's impossible to judge his quality but he looks a better prospect than any of the other terrible candidates. [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] can you find out more about him

 

[samiakh]

What happened to this guy? Did he give up on Pak cricket like Sami Aslam etc? Don’t see him in the domestic season anymore.

 

[lazy cricketer]

What happened to this guy? Did he give up on Pak cricket like Sami Aslam etc? Don’t see him in the domestic season anymore.

looks like he is satisfied with just playing in uk nowadays if i was in his shoes i would have done the same thing why waste your peak years waiting for a call up which will never come from pcb...we all need to earn food for our families at the end of the day

 

[Rana]

Noman is a good bowler

He could have been our Maharaj in this year’s World Cup

 

[samiakh]

looks like he is satisfied with just playing in uk nowadays if i was in his shoes i would have done the same thing why waste your peak years waiting for a call up which will never come from pcb...we all need to earn food for our families at the end of the day

He could play in Pakistan during the English off season. Unless he is trying to qualify to play for England.

 

[Xoib]

Shan must have seen him last 2 seasons in England let’s see will he get a call up