Every Pakistan win is not a fluke

[pakistani pride]

There is nothing to enjoy. I don’t enjoy us losing, and we fully deserved to win at Lord’s but this capitulation was always on the cards.

All this golden era etc. is nonsense, I don’t think we will ever become a consistent team.

Which golden era. How and from where will the golden era come from? You even how many tests we play all year.

Just a few posters mention this and you spread it all over is if comes from the pak team itself.

This match is still a long long way to go. Even 1 - 1 is a terrific result. We keep the trophy anyways.

 

[Usman Chadda]

There is nothing to enjoy. I don’t enjoy us losing, and we fully deserved to win at Lord’s but this capitulation was always on the cards.

All this golden era etc. is nonsense, I don’t think we will ever become a consistent team.

Its the first innings of a Test match. You never learn do you? Please spare us another of these rubbish threads when your predictions eventually go pear-shaped yet again.

 

[Xoib]

There is nothing to enjoy. I don’t enjoy us losing, and we fully deserved to win at Lord’s but this capitulation was always on the cards.

All this golden era etc. is nonsense, I don’t think we will ever become a consistent team.

If you really think in early English summer any team is capable of whitewashing england then you are seriously deluded

 

[Hawkeye]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] you got the previous one wrong.. and got under pressure.

That was also a fluke. Everything went in our favor - bowling conditions, Root opting to bat..

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] you got the previous one wrong.. and got under pressure.

That was also a fluke. Everything went in our favor - bowling conditions, Root opting to bat..

You can’t fluke Tests.

 

[bujhee kom]

You can’t fluke Tests.

Or 4 ko games in a world event.

 

[Mamoon]

If you really think in early English summer any team is capable of whitewashing england then you are seriously deluded

Teams don’t find themselves 1-0 up in England in a two Test series either. Pakistan put themselves in a terrific position, but our lack of killer instinct has reared its ugly head again.

We have to hope that England implodes yet again, because this match and the series are slipping away.

 

[MenInG]

Teams don’t find themselves 1-0 up in England in a two Test series either. Pakistan put themselves in a terrific position, but our lack of killer instinct has reared its ugly head again.

We have to hope that England implodes yet again, because this match and the series are slipping away.

We must be on Day 4 it seems the way we are all going...

 

[Xoib]

Teams don’t find themselves 1-0 up in England in a two Test series either. Pakistan put themselves in a terrific position, but our lack of killer instinct has reared its ugly head again.

We have to hope that England implodes yet again, because this match and the series are slipping away.

This side is to raw and inexperienced to be winning away series right now they need to build up on this series

 

[Mamoon]

Or 4 ko games in a world event.

You can fluke LO games if things go your way.

 

[bujhee kom]

You can fluke LO games if things go your way.

Not 4 in a row.

 

[SM1989]

The first test win was a fluke as England were caught off guard. England have brought Pakistan back down to earth!

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

The first test win was a fluke as England were caught off guard. England have brought Pakistan back down to earth!

Test victory against a home side is NEVER a fluke

You cannot outbeat a team in all 5 days

 

[HamzaSaeen]

The first test win was a fluke as England were caught off guard. England have brought Pakistan back down to earth!

A bit like they'll do to India later this summer

 

[badsha001]

It seems like Pakistan's fluke not working anymore, inning defeat is inevitable...

 

[Abhilash93]

A bit like they'll do to India later this summer

That may very well happen.

But a good example of this is the last Indian tour to England. India were 1-0 up after 2 Tests but England eventually got into the groove and won the remaining 3 convincingly.

 

[saeed5646]

The first test win was a fluke as England were caught off guard. England have brought Pakistan back down to earth!

I salute your cricketing knowledge who think test match win can be fluke when pak have won 8 session with eng 1 in first test

 

[jadaja]

I salute your cricketing knowledge who think test match win can be fluke when pak have won 8 session with eng 1 in first test

It is not true reflection of team capability either, it is much like Pune test against India. India was caught off guard and everything went against them in that test.

Australia like Pakistan won that test fair and square but it was not true reflection of their capabilities either.They even lost against Bangladesh later that season.

In short yes in tests team just have everything going for them.England is not a great team either which can stage a comeback after being down in first innings.
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[kuskash]

A bit like they'll do to India later this summer

Few days ago, I mentioned that no matter what's the subject of the thread, either India or Kohli is mentioned. In dono ki wajah se bahot logo ki dukaan chalti hai.

 

[Bubby]

Few days ago, I mentioned that no matter what's the subject of the thread, either India or Kohli is mentioned. In dono ki wajah se bahot logo ki dukaan chalti hai.

Precisely, match Pakistan Ka lekin India ko zarur ghasitna hai, it's like hum to dubengey Sanam tumhe bhi le dubengey

 

[saeed5646]

It is not true reflection of team capability either, it is much like Pune test against India. India was caught off guard and everything went against them in that test.

Australia like Pakistan won that test fair and square but it was not true reflection of their capabilities either.They even lost against Bangladesh later that season.

In short yes in tests team just have everything going for them.England is not a great team either which can stage a comeback after being down in first innings.
.

Yeah yeah agree with each and every word lets see what aus of 2000 does against "not the great england team ""

 

[saeed5646]

It is not true reflection of team capability either, it is much like Pune test against India. India was caught off guard and everything went against them in that test.

Australia like Pakistan won that test fair and square but it was not true reflection of their capabilities either.They even lost against Bangladesh later that season.

In short yes in tests team just have everything going for them.England is not a great team either which can stage a comeback after being down in first innings.
.

Btw we have draw the last series in eng and also will draw this test series so i don.t know what you are on about .it is not first test victory in eng which can surprise any one we have won in the past

 

[blackanhyellow]

The first test win was a fluke as England were caught off guard. England have brought Pakistan back down to earth!

So Pakistan fluked a 5 day test match where they dominated for 95% of the match against England IN ENGLAND?

 

[Hawkeye]

Previous win WAS A FLUKE.

Can't believe how people think it wasn't. You actually can fluke Test wins.

 

[kuskash]

Let’s appriciate that Pak played very well and was dominant in each session of first match, what’s the big deal in accepting it? No it was not a fluke. They did not show a good game in second test.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Previous win WAS A FLUKE.

Can't believe how people think it wasn't. You actually can fluke Test wins.

No it wasnt.

If anything the toss was crucial in both matches and that set the tone for how the match went.

But that isnt considered a fluke, otherwise this england victory would be a fluke as well.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Previous win WAS A FLUKE.

Can't believe how people think it wasn't. You actually can fluke Test wins.

were the victories in 2016 a fluke as well?

 

[SM1989]

were the victories in 2016 a fluke as well?

Yes 1st test at lords was only because of tasir shah.

The win at the oval was only due to younus khan otherwise we would have lost that game as well.

 

[asifp]

No it wasnt.

If anything the toss was crucial in both matches and that set the tone for how the match went.

But that isnt considered a fluke, otherwise this england victory would be a fluke as well.

If the other team drops 5 catches, you can have a fluke

 

[blackanhyellow]

Yes 1st test at lords was only because of tasir shah.

The win at the oval was only due to younus khan otherwise we would have lost that game as well.

Oh okay.

So basically all of Pakistan's wins are flukes especially in the UAE.

That is where Yasir picks up heaps of wickets and YK makes heaps of runs.

So your definition of a fluke is when two exceptional players have a good test match?

 

[SM1989]

Oh okay.

So basically all of Pakistan's wins are flukes especially in the UAE.

That is where Yasir picks up heaps of wickets and YK makes heaps of runs.

So your definition of a fluke is when two exceptional players have a good test match?

Yes when matches are won due to exceptional one man performances and a series is not won, then that is proof that the team as a unit is not good enough and that any wins are anomalies.

 

[blackanhyellow]

If the other team drops 5 catches, you can have a fluke

You cant blame losses on bad catching.

I wish we could because we would have another WC trophy to Pakistan's name.

Catching/ fielding is a part of the game just like batting and bowling.

Cricket is not only about holding a bat or bowling, there are other dimensions to it.

So if a team doesnt catch well, that is basically like a team not batting well.

 

[jadaja]

Btw we have draw the last series in eng and also will draw this test series so i don.t know what you are on about .it is not first test victory in eng which can surprise any one we have won in the past

So last series you has the most experienced line up and that was first time in decades where you drew the series. You got the most suitable pitches also.

SO don't think Pakistan was a great test team then also.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Yes when matches are won due to exceptional one man performances and a series is not won, then that is proof that the team as a unit is not good enough and that any wins are anomalies.

Does this rule only apply to Pakistan or all teams?

There is a kohli 183 that I would like to erase from my memory.

 

[blackanhyellow]

So last series you has the most experienced line up and that was first time in decades where you drew the series. You got the most suitable pitches also.

SO don't think Pakistan was a great test team then also.

Yes yes, when Pakistan win its a fluke we get it

 

[saeed5646]

So last series you has the most experienced line up and that was first time in decades where you drew the series. You got the most suitable pitches also.

SO don't think Pakistan was a great test team then also.

I spare you their you are right sir my apologies

 

[jadaja]

Yes yes, when Pakistan win its a fluke we get it

No it is not the case, but if that series last was due to team being great you would have had the bowlers who played then other than Yasir playing now , none of them have any quality which is why they are no longer in the team.

 

[blackanhyellow]

No it is not the case, but if that series last was due to team being great you would have had the bowlers who played then other than Yasir , none of them have any quality which is why they are no longer in the team.

I never said Pakistan team was great.

I said they deserved to win those matches (and draw the series), because they outplayed England in those matches.

I am saying they werent flukes, Pakistan worked hard for those wins.

Taking credit away is poor form.

When Pakistan win its a fluke, when they lose its because they played poorly, this is what is being spread around these days.

This is not a t20 match that pakistan managed to draw two series in England!

 

[jadaja]

I never said Pakistan team was great.

I said they deserved to win those matches (and draw the series), because they outplayed England in those matches.

I am saying they werent flukes, Pakistan worked hard for those wins.

Taking credit away is poor form.

When Pakistan win its a fluke, when they lose its because they played poorly, this is what is being spread around these days.

This is not a t20 match that pakistan managed to draw two series in England!

I never said those wins were flukes, all I said Pakistan got pitches to suit their style. Even first test win in this series is not fluke.

They won both tests last year and the first test fair and square but I don't think it was due to Pakistan team being good or great. They got pitches to match their strengths.

Jadeja was Mos series in CT 2013 and was the most hittable bowler in CT 2017 as pitches did not suit him. Jadeja is not a quality bowler who can overcome pitches.Quality players will have impact on unhelpful pitches too.

 

[blackanhyellow]

I never said those wins were flukes, all I said Pakistan got pitches to suit their style. Even first test win in this series is not fluke.

They won both tests last year and the first test fair and square but I don't think it was due to Pakistan team being good or great. They got pitches to match their strengths.

Jadeja was Mos series in CT 2013 and was the most hittable bowler in CT 2017 as pitches did not suit him. Jadeja is not a quality bowler who can overcome pitches.Quality players will have impact on unhelpful pitches too.

Oh well I never claimed this Pakistani side being a great team. Obviously conditions play a part.

So do the tosses (or in the case of this series, not winning the toss .

But that is part of the game, none of that should be considered fluking. You still have to go out there and play well.

 

[mefromIndia]

Great post, I admire the realism and insight you bring to the forum, sensible cricket fan can be another pseudonym for you

 

[asadee]

So England won after 8 or 9 tests..is this a fluke win for them??