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omairsiddiqui

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This guy has received far too many opportunities, more than he deserves. Is he just one of Mickey's favorites? Because Aamer Yamin looks a much better fit in this team.
 
Overhyped player. Think there are better players who can make the team on bowling merit. His batting has been poor.
 
Well his batting is becoming a joke because of his stupid attitude.
 
Tough times for both Faheem and Hardik Pandya. Juat three months back, both were certainities in respective 11s across formats, not so now.
 
He is bowling well at least, hopefully that will give him some confidience with bat as well. Need to calm down when he is out there batting.
 
He deserve to be in the side just for his bowling. His batting, atm, is non-existence.
 
We need to persist with him.

He will become good with the bat.
 
As I have been saying for months, he can't improve his batting without actually batting. We need to try and give him batting time. Also in domestic cricket he should bat up the order in list A cricket and first class cricket. If he proves to not be good enough, so be it. But it's harsh to be critical of his batting when he is hardly getting a chance to improve.
 
I wont read too much into these low scores. He has potential and should be persisted with in limited overs cricket
 
Hasan123 said:
As I have been saying for months, he can't improve his batting without actually batting. We need to try and give him batting time. Also in domestic cricket he should bat up the order in list A cricket and first class cricket. If he proves to not be good enough, so be it. But it's harsh to be critical of his batting when he is hardly getting a chance to improve.
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He was sitting on the bench since the Asia Cup, I think it might've been better for him to play domestic cricket rather than be benched for the Tests against Australia. Don't think he was even really considered for the Test team, tough to fit him in for Asian games.
 
Abdullah719 said:
He was sitting on the bench since the Asia Cup, I think it might've been better for him to play domestic cricket rather than be benched for the Tests against Australia. Don't think he was even really considered for the Test team, tough to fit him in for Asian games.
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Good point.

He needs batting practice to learn how to build an innings. If he isn't good enough after a run of games and getting a chance but facing 10 balls or so isn't helping him at all.
 
Cant bat to save his life, and he took some wickets today but if this was India he wont have taken any against them. Hes rubbish overall
 
It's all good because according to our dearest [MENTION=143344]babajee[/MENTION] his bowling is so good he would be the second best bowler in most international sides. Technically he is correct because he would be one of the top two bowlers of a Zimbabwe, Nepal, Kenya and all the way down to China.
 
topspin said:
It's all good because according to our dearest [MENTION=143344]babajee[/MENTION] his bowling is so good he would be the second best bowler in most international sides. Technically he is correct because he would be one of the top two bowlers of a Zimbabwe, Nepal, Kenya and all the way down to China.
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We don't need his bowling especially in LO . We need him to improve his batting.
 
topspin said:
It's all good because according to our dearest [MENTION=143344]babajee[/MENTION] his bowling is so good he would be the second best bowler in most international sides. Technically he is correct because he would be one of the top two bowlers of a Zimbabwe, Nepal, Kenya and all the way down to China.
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Did you not see him bowl today? He's an amazing player. I just can't describe how wonderful he is.

Sharp accurate nippy bowler, operates around 135-140ks, seams the new ball and gets good reverse with the old ball. A fantastic clean hitter of the cricket ball that just needs to take his time at the crease and a livewire in the field that always gives his 100%. To top it all off he is one of the most likeable guys in the team with a good head on his shoulders.

He is truly blessed in all facets of the game :sree
 
Hasan123 said:
We don't need his bowling especially in LO . We need him to improve his batting.
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Exactly - I've been saying this for a unless his batting improves he adds no value to the side because his pace bowling is inferior to Hasan Ali, Amir, Shaheen, Junaid, Shinwari (who I don't even rate) and etc.

He needs to seriously improve his hitting ability given that our batting line ups in LOIs is infested with accumulators. For me he is T20I material at best at international level and that's assuming if his batting improves.

It's funny when all the hype brigade were screeching how he was so much better than Pandya, I mean what a joke! I'll take Pandya over Faheem in a heartbeat especially in LOIs.
 
babajee said:
Did you not see him bowl today? He's an amazing player. I just can't describe how wonderful he is.

Sharp accurate nippy bowler, operates around 135-140ks, seams the new ball and gets good reverse with the old ball. A fantastic clean hitter of the cricket ball that just needs to take his time at the crease and a livewire in the field that always gives his 100%. To top it all off he is one of the most likeable guys in the team with a good head on his shoulders.

He is truly blessed in all facets of the game :sree
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He bowled well but I'll say again his bowling adds little value to the side if he can't bat because his pace bowling is inferior to Hasan Ali, Amir, Shaheen, Junaid, Shinwari and perhaps even Rumman Raees. Just so you know I don't rate the latter two, so that really puts things into perspective.

He's been abysmal with the bat to say the least. Don't know how you can claim he's a "fantastic clean hitter".
 
I think he will come good with some time needs to understand his rule and play smarter that's all
 
Hopefully PAK can recover from this "All-rounder" syndrome - Mickey is trying to find too many "all-rounders" from everywhere.

All-rounders are the most coveted players in the game, and this guy is just not good enough with bat to be a genuine all-rounder. Bowler who can bat a bit - may be, but for that his bowling has to improve considerably. His FC batting stats are a bit flattering but I guess for that bowling all-rounder's role, PAK should invest more on Hasan & Amir's batting, rather than Fahim's batting & bowling both.
 
he's more of a bowler who can bat, not an all-rounder

#8 at best right now
 
Hasan123 said:
We don't need his bowling especially in LO . We need him to improve his batting.
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Yes, Pakistan always has an amazing bowling attack, in every format of the game. That is why we were invincible in the Asia Cup.

I can't tell whether Faheem is the solution, but here are some numbers to chew.

No of Bowlers in the ICC ODI rankings top 30

India: 5
Australia: 3
England: 4
New Zealand: 3
South Africa: 3
Sri Lanka: 2
Afghanistan: 3

Pakistan: 1
 
topspin said:
Exactly - I've been saying this for a unless his batting improves he adds no value to the side because his pace bowling is inferior to Hasan Ali, Amir, Shaheen, Junaid, Shinwari (who I don't even rate) and etc.

He needs to seriously improve his hitting ability given that our batting line ups in LOIs is infested with accumulators. For me he is T20I material at best at international level and that's assuming if his batting improves.

It's funny when all the hype brigade were screeching how he was so much better than Pandya, I mean what a joke! I'll take Pandya over Faheem in a heartbeat especially in LOIs.
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It's funny if you look at Ashraf's ODI bowling stats so far, they read Ave 20, SR 28. That's better than Bumrah. You might say he feasted on Zimbabwe, but as they say, you can only perform against whoever the cricketing calendar puts before you. Someone forgot to tell Amir .
 
Not international level player. He is an all rounder but his batting is that of a tailender.
 
He has temperament issues.

But after seeing every batsman getting out trying to hit a six on the first ball yesterday, Can you blame him?

I dont know what got into Pakistani batsmen yesterday. Clearly a case of miscommunication between players and the coach. He must have asked them to be aggressive while instead they became absolute hacks.
 
He is not a cricketer, and rolling your arm and picking up a bat does not make you an all-rounder.

Both him and Shadab, who is at least half a cricketer with his half-decent leg spin, do not belong in international cricket.
 
Faheem is an excellent cricketer and has some good performances to his name. His bowling was excellent last night and he took wickets without fuss.

Having an internet connection and access to a keyboard also does not make one an expert on judging people who are playing international cricket.
 
To the people who have no patience and are calling him trash, who would you replace him with? Aamer Yameen? or Hammad Azam? Gimme a break.

Pakistan isn't exactly enriched with pace-bowling all-rounders. Atleast Faheem has shown flashes of brilliance and seems like the only one with a future as a proper all-rounder. In time I am sure he will come good in both facets.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
To the people who have no patience and are calling him trash, who would you replace him with? Aamer Yameen? or Hammad Azam? Gimme a break.

Pakistan isn't exactly enriched with pace-bowling all-rounders. Atleast Faheem has shown flashes of brilliance and seems like the only one with a future as a proper all-rounder. In time I am sure he will come good in both facets.
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Bro Follow Pakistan A Against New Zealand Where Amer Yamin Destroying Them With Ball In UAE And He Is Proved That He Is Good Batsma
 
TBH Faheem was never a AR. When he came in the side he had no big domestic performance with the bat. If team wanted him to groom into a bowling AR then he should've been the main focus for working on his batting not Shadab, not Asif. The fact that you have Asif in the side is a clear indication that you have no faith in Faheem with the bat.

P.S: Amir Yamin is better than Faheem
 
enough of him with the bat,,,has to perform with the bat otherwise we can replace him with Aamir Yamin.
 
He is averaging 20 and 17 with the ball in ODIs and T20Is respectively. Yet some 'experts' do not want him in LOIs :facepalm:.
 
Mansoor3120 said:
A bits and piece cricketer along with shadab khan
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He's a decent bowler to be fair, he's pretty quick, and the one which was going for middle then straighted to hit the top of off stump was a beauty. His batting should be seen as a bonus rather than expectation.
 
Mamoon said:
He is not a cricketer, and rolling your arm and picking up a bat does not make you an all-rounder.

Both him and Shadab, who is at least half a cricketer with his half-decent leg spin, do not belong in international cricket.
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A subtly nuanced assessment, recalling previous triumphs of judgement, such as 'yasir is a mediocre bowler' and 'abbas will never run through a side.'
 
He is not a good allrounder but he is better than Anwar Ali and Aamir Yamin
 
Ashraf needs to give himself a few balls to settle at the crease instead of blindly swinging the bat from ball one. Even Abdul Razzaq who he has been compared to would give himself some time before going for his big shots.

We've seen little with the bat since his international debut bar the Ireland Test and does need a kick up the backside in that respect since he is being billed as an allrounder. However you can argue he merits a place on his bowling alone.
 
He can be better than this, needs to work harder.

Still think Amir Yamin is better.
 
topspin said:
Exactly - I've been saying this for a unless his batting improves he adds no value to the side because his pace bowling is inferior to Hasan Ali, Amir, Shaheen, Junaid, Shinwari (who I don't even rate) and etc.

He needs to seriously improve his hitting ability given that our batting line ups in LOIs is infested with accumulators. For me he is T20I material at best at international level and that's assuming if his batting improves.

It's funny when all the hype brigade were screeching how he was so much better than Pandya, I mean what a joke! I'll take Pandya over Faheem in a heartbeat especially in LOIs.
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He needs to be given more chances with the bat. He has some potential but not enough chances.

Pandya is a superior player. But that doesn't mean Faheem can't be a good player for Pakistan.
 
New Yorker said:
Yes, Pakistan always has an amazing bowling attack, in every format of the game. That is why we were invincible in the Asia Cup.

I can't tell whether Faheem is the solution, but here are some numbers to chew.

No of Bowlers in the ICC ODI rankings top 30

India: 5
Australia: 3
England: 4
New Zealand: 3
South Africa: 3
Sri Lanka: 2
Afghanistan: 3

Pakistan: 1
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Faheems bowling will lead him to the top 10 in the rankings ? Also did i say our bowling attack can't improve ? Unnecessary post.
 
6 or 4 or bust at the moment.

Play out a few balls, get a couple of singles, and then go for your shots. Sometimes our batsmen just want to go big from ball one and that rarely works.
 
Hasan123 said:
Faheems bowling will lead him to the top 10 in the rankings ? Also did i say our bowling attack can't improve ? Unnecessary post.
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Forget top 10. Top 30 would be nice, no? I don't know where his bowling will lead him. I remain resolutely confident in my inability to know the future with certainty. But he's averaging 20. SR 28, Bowling at 145. Taking wickets. And we have only one other ODI bowler in the top 30. There are other bowlers I also like. Shinwari, Junaid. But I wouldn't mind giving Ashraf some more rope. Where is the rush to drop him?
 
New Yorker said:
Forget top 10. Top 30 would be nice, no? I don't know where his bowling will lead him. I remain resolutely confident in my inability to know the future with certainty. But he's averaging 20. SR 28, Bowling at 145. Taking wickets. And we have only one other ODI bowler in the top 30. There are other bowlers I also like. Shinwari, Junaid. But I wouldn't mind giving Ashraf some more rope. Where is the rush to drop him?
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Why are you making posts up? I didn't ask for him to be dropped . I'm asking for him to be given more chances with the bat LOL.
 
Hasan123 said:
He needs to be given more chances with the bat. He has some potential but not enough chances.

Pandya is a superior player. But that doesn't mean Faheem can't be a good player for Pakistan.
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If he's batting well below an out of form/poor player of spin in Asif Ali then it shows to me the management have no faith in him at all. To be frank I don't blame them because I think he's a number 8 at best.
 
Hasan123 said:
Why are you making posts up? I didn't ask for him to be dropped . I'm asking for him to be given more chances with the bat LOL.
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Bro leave him - this is the same guy earlier in the year who wanted Shan Masood opening the bat with Sami Aslam in ODIs based purely on List A stats from substandard domestic competitions in Pakistan even though they can't break into a PSL XI side!
 
He is a far better batsman than what he has shown so far. The main issue is with the way he tries to go about his innings. He doesn't look to build an innings, he just starts swinging from the first ball. Needs to give himself a few balls to get himself in before he starts going for the big hits.

Other than that, his bowling has been fantastic.
 
He's going through a rough spell but I think he can bat. We've seen him to do it in Tests and occasionally in LOI. Problem is, he's often come into situations where it is late in game and he tries to slog from ball 1. He can be a big striker and has done it in domestics but just needs to give him some time first before teeing off.

I still believe in him.
 
topspin said:
If he's batting well below an out of form/poor player of spin in Asif Ali then it shows to me the management have no faith in him at all. To be frank I don't blame them because I think he's a number 8 at best.
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If they don't have any faith in him I don't think they would be selecting him for all 3 formats.
 
omairsiddiqui said:
This guy has received far too many opportunities, more than he deserves. Is he just one of Mickey's favorites? Because Aamer Yamin looks a much better fit in this team.
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DId anybody actually check OP's claim?

Last 3 T20I innings for Faheem Ashraf before today:

21
0
0

How is this three ducks in his last three innings?
 
It's ironic people here bash the selectors for the job they are doing, when these same people suggest dropping XYZ player after one bad performance. What right do you have of expressing your opinion on this forum if your brain cells cannot comprehend the proper way of building a TEAM?
 
MenInG said:
A few red faces I would think
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A quick 17 doesn’t prove anything.

I’m a fan of Fahim but we can’t avoid the fact that he hasn’t performed so far.

I still think we should persist with him for a while atleast.
 
j_kazmi said:
A quick 17 doesn’t prove anything.

I’m a fan of Fahim but we can’t avoid the fact that he hasn’t performed so far.

I still think we should persist with him for a while atleast.
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He hasn't had much opportunity.
 
j_kazmi said:
A quick 17 doesn’t prove anything.

I’m a fan of Fahim but we can’t avoid the fact that he hasn’t performed so far.

I still think we should persist with him for a while atleast.
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It proves that he can do well for Pakistan.

Doesnt mean he is the finished article but not as useless as some would like to believe
 
I think he's earnt the right to play as third seamer in T20s now. Useful knock down the order today and was probably our best pacer.
 
topspin said:
Important runs no doubt but I also want to see those LOI batting averages go up from 10 as well.
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I do think this 17 is his best innings ever arguably though. So at least it's something. The test 80 was good, but it was Ireland.

Here however for one of the few times I've seen him, he was calm under pressure and hit pretty cleanly at the end. And was against a decent bowling attack. And there was a bit of pressure here, wickets were falling.

I think between them Imad and Fahim in T20s at least I think they provide enough low order batting at 7 and 8 (with Shadab at 9). Fahim was operating as third seamer this series and did a pretty good job of it, and deserves a run at it now in T20s. Has had a good series against a non-minnow side now, even though it's still clear he's adding far more value with the ball than bat.
 
Today he needs to bat at no. 4 and let's see what he is made of, otherwise let him compete with the bowlers for his spot, though currently he can play solely as a bowler in t20s.
 
Those 17 runs won us the match like hasan ali in the first game, the physiological difference between 130 and 140/150 in a T20 is huge.
 
He has just soo much potential with the ball.
Anyone with the ability to swing it in, pitch and then hit off stump has a special talent.

Batting wise, still to see the best of him but again we’ve seen potential with the bat too.

A player for all formats.
 
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IMMY69 said:
He has just soo much potential with the ball.
Anyone with the ability to swing it in, pitch and then hit off stump has a special talent.

Batting wise, still to see the best of him but again we’ve seen potential with the bat too.

A player for all formats.
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He is more of a rhythm bowler, when things are going good for him, everything looks great, but when they are not, they look awful (a bit like Umar Gul). His bad days are going to cost matches though, let's hope he can improve. In batting, tbh he doesn't really look like a no. 6 or no.7 batter. More of a bowling all rounder. Atm, his game suits LOI's more, but I feel with time, his utility in Tests will grow once he improves his defense and can get consistent seam movement with the ball. In Ireland and England, he did more of a defensive role with the ball by keeping it tight.
 
Not able to score but then very few overs left for him
 
He's obviously going to be hit or miss when he comes in with 10 balls to spare and gets told to slog.
 
Nothing cricketer.
Why pp compare him with H pandya ?
It is insult of pandya by comparing him with a joker like fahim.
 
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