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Fast bowling averages in Pakistan since the induction of Kookaburra ball

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Since the introducion of the Kookabura ball in domestic cricket the bowling averages of local bowlers have been appalling. How do you pick bowlers for the national team with these numbers untill the bowlers learn to bowl with the kookabura?

Muhammad ilyas 80 plus
Muhammad musa 69.2
Sadaf Hussain 59.4 and 50.3
Imran khan 49.1 and 49.7
Ehsan adil 32.6 and 49.7
Juniad khan 42.6 and 49
Usman shinwari 26 and 45
Rahat ali 36.9
Mir hamza 50.4 and 45
Tabish kham 41 ans 30.9
Taj wali 45.8 and 30.6
Waqas maqsood 47.8 and 22.2
Hassan ali 39.and 19.3
Sohail khan 39.7 and 18.3
Naseem Shah 19.2

Muhammad abbas averaged 52 in 2019 season.
With the exception of a fully fit hassan ali no one in that list warrants selection with those numbers.
Pakistan must do everything to develop and back Shahnawaz dhani and Naseem shah.
 
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Give it about 5-10 years at least. Same with the new domestic set up.

Keep calm and keep watering the seeds planted.
 
Good post. Notice how far above and beyond Naseem Shah is - definitely deserves to be persisted with, watch him develop into a real force over the next year or two as he gains more experience and adjusts his action to suit pace while staving off injuries.

Last year had especially flat tracks. If we consider that, then Usman Shinwari and Ehsan Adil were the only other two bowlers worth getting a look in, with Hassan not far behind. I’m excluding Rahat and Sohail due to age.

Looking at this year, Shinwari missed 90% of the season for Lanka Premier League which I think was the worst decision of his career. Ehsan Adil, meanwhile has gone missing and I think is benched right now due to bad performances despite the tracks being better than last year.

That leaves us with Hassan Ali from last year’s bunch, the only one whose numbers are fantastic. Watching him bowl, he passes the naked eye test too since he’s creating fantastic dismissals out of thin air on both helpful and unhelpful pitches.

As a result, it’s clear that we don’t have much bench strength in fast bowling. Hassan Ali and Waqas Maqsood are pretty much the only options on current form, with Hassan markedly better and already exposed to international cricket. It’s worth noting that Hasnain, Rauf haven’t played much first class cricket, with their pace they would be certain to trouble batsmen if they can get some discipline on their lines and lengths. But that’s pretty much it - the hope is that some emerging bowlers like Shahnawaz Dhani, Zeeshan Zameer, and Munir Riaz make their mark in domestic cricket soon. Sameen Gul has also been returning from injury, I believe - let’s see what he can do.
 
Why pakistanis use Kookaburra? Why not Dukes? Or even a local pakistani brand like India uses SG. That will only help pakistan.
 
Why pakistanis use Kookaburra? Why not Dukes? Or even a local pakistani brand like India uses SG. That will only help pakistan.

Most of the countries, except Eng and WI, use the Kookaburra ball right? So, it’s a good thing the bowlers get used to bowling with it in domestic cricket
 
Tbh pacers having to work hard for their wickets, having to bend their backs, having to strive for extra pace, having to utilize reverse swing, having to bowl long spells ie 8-10 overs spells at full tilt will make tougher and ready for test cricket. On flat wickets bowlers will be under more pressure to make optimum use of the new ball and to learn alternative tactics with the older ball to get batsmen out.

The green top low bouncy wickets made most of our pacers softies
 
Also this means teams are now going to be pressurized to pick spinners who will have to bowl a minimum of 30-40 overs an innings

Batsmen should have no problems playing their shots and batting for long periods of time
 
Most of the countries, except Eng and WI, use the Kookaburra ball right? So, it’s a good thing the bowlers get used to bowling with it in domestic cricket

It doesn't work like that. You use a ball suited to your conditions.

On pakistani pitches, kookaburra will become useless after few overs, due to its less pronounced seam. Batsmen will make merry.
 
It doesn't work like that. You use a ball suited to your conditions.

On pakistani pitches, kookaburra will become useless after few overs, due to its less pronounced seam. Batsmen will make merry.

The kookaburra gave us Wasim, Waqar, Imran Khan, Shoaib Akhtar, etc.

It gave us Dennis Lillee, Jeff Thomson, McGrath, Lee, Hazlewood.

Greatest fast bowlers the game has ever seen, from Pak, Aus, SA and WI have used kookaburra.

It doesn't make sense changing the ball. ENG & IND have produced arguably no great fast bowler despite a different ball in local matches.

So, doesn't work like that.
 
Vast majority of countries use the Kookaburra bowl. Our bowlers need some toughening up
 
The kookaburra gave us Wasim, Waqar, Imran Khan, Shoaib Akhtar, etc.

It gave us Dennis Lillee, Jeff Thomson, McGrath, Lee, Hazlewood.

Greatest fast bowlers the game has ever seen, from Pak, Aus, SA and WI have used kookaburra.

It doesn't make sense changing the ball. ENG & IND have produced arguably no great fast bowler despite a different ball in local matches.

So, doesn't work like that.

Did Wasim and Waqar bowl with kookaburra in Pakistan? I know in county cricket they wouldn't have. And we know that county cricket played a big part in their development
 
Since the introducion of the Kookabura ball in domestic cricket the bowling averages of local bowlers have been appalling. How do you pick bowlers for the national team with these numbers untill the bowlers learn to bowl with the kookabura?

Muhammad ilyas 80 plus
Muhammad musa 69.2
Sadaf Hussain 59.4 and 50.3
Imran khan 49.1 and 49.7
Ehsan adil 32.6 and 49.7
Juniad khan 42.6 and 49
Usman shinwari 26 and 45
Rahat ali 36.9
Mir hamza 50.4 and 45
Tabish kham 41 ans 30.9
Taj wali 45.8 and 30.6
Waqas maqsood 47.8 and 22.2
Hassan ali 39.and 19.3
Sohail khan 39.7 and 18.3
Naseem Shah 19.2

Muhammad abbas averaged 52 in 2019 season.
With the exception of a fully fit hassan ali no one in that list warrants selection with those numbers.
Pakistan must do everything to develop and back Shahnawaz dhani and Naseem shah.

Pitches in the first half of this season were quite decent for pacers and arguably produced the best balance of bat and ball in years however with more games and lack of ground options due to covid they got more and more batting friendly.
You have to add Dhani numbers here averaged 31 in his first season in some very high scoring games.
 
Most of the countries, except Eng and WI, use the Kookaburra ball right? So, it’s a good thing the bowlers get used to bowling with it in domestic cricket

Yes, only Eng and WI use Dukes. The dukes is more of a seamer friendly ball as oppose to kookaburra which favours bowlers when it is first new only and as the ball gets older it becomes an easy game for batsmen.
 
It's probably be good for your seamers actually. You have to be a quality bowler & have a good plan B to do well with a Kookaburra. Sorts the wheat from the chaff.

If you look at the stats in OP, poor bowlers are exposed.

Guys who can at least hold a line & length are averaging 30-35 after a bit of practice. And look who is the guys averaging well- they tend to be the better quality names on that list...

Give it a couple more seasons & you know if a quick ends up averaging similar to your Test names on there, then he's got something about him. No easy hauls with the Kookaburra.

It's also decent for touring- if you play in a nation using the Duke, then life only gets easier for your quicks, they all enjoy it and it's not hard to change- but change from always Dukes to one tour with the Kookaburra can be harder.
 
What about the new guys
Irafanullah Shah-Munir Riaz-Mohammed Umar-S.Dhani
 
Since the introducion of the Kookabura ball in domestic cricket the bowling averages of local bowlers have been appalling. How do you pick bowlers for the national team with these numbers untill the bowlers learn to bowl with the kookabura?

Muhammad ilyas 80 plus
Muhammad musa 69.2
Sadaf Hussain 59.4 and 50.3
Imran khan 49.1 and 49.7
Ehsan adil 32.6 and 49.7
Juniad khan 42.6 and 49
Usman shinwari 26 and 45
Rahat ali 36.9
Mir hamza 50.4 and 45
Tabish kham 41 ans 30.9
Taj wali 45.8 and 30.6
Waqas maqsood 47.8 and 22.2
Hassan ali 39.and 19.3
Sohail khan 39.7 and 18.3
Naseem Shah 19.2

Muhammad abbas averaged 52 in 2019 season.
With the exception of a fully fit hassan ali no one in that list warrants selection with those numbers.
Pakistan must do everything to develop and back Shahnawaz dhani and Naseem shah.

Good post

Can’t seem to pick out the guy who should replace Naseem...
 
nobody has a problem with a strong fit nasim shah not being successful in a few tests, the problem is that he looked neither, and has missed the entire domestic season where he could have worked on both things.

naseem is a good bowler, but he is only test quality at 90mph, below that he doesnt have the potential to warrant being persisted with at the expense of other domestic performers like hasan ali imo.
 
Imagine averaging 80 with a Kookaburra ball in Pakistan domestics and then having to bowl to Australia's First XI in Australia.
 
In regards to Musa,

He seems to be the Next Bilawal Bhatti. Mohammad Sami was an ATG in comparison to this guy. Its like comparing Sipmala to Dale Steyn if you compare Musa to Sami
 
Good post. Notice how far above and beyond Naseem Shah is - definitely deserves to be persisted with, watch him develop into a real force over the next year or two as he gains more experience and adjusts his action to suit pace while staving off injuries.

Last year had especially flat tracks. If we consider that, then Usman Shinwari and Ehsan Adil were the only other two bowlers worth getting a look in, with Hassan not far behind. I’m excluding Rahat and Sohail due to age.

Looking at this year, Shinwari missed 90% of the season for Lanka Premier League which I think was the worst decision of his career. Ehsan Adil, meanwhile has gone missing and I think is benched right now due to bad performances despite the tracks being better than last year.

That leaves us with Hassan Ali from last year’s bunch, the only one whose numbers are fantastic. Watching him bowl, he passes the naked eye test too since he’s creating fantastic dismissals out of thin air on both helpful and unhelpful pitches.

As a result, it’s clear that we don’t have much bench strength in fast bowling. Hassan Ali and Waqas Maqsood are pretty much the only options on current form, with Hassan markedly better and already exposed to international cricket. It’s worth noting that Hasnain, Rauf haven’t played much first class cricket, with their pace they would be certain to trouble batsmen if they can get some discipline on their lines and lengths. But that’s pretty much it - the hope is that some emerging bowlers like Shahnawaz Dhani, Zeeshan Zameer, and Munir Riaz make their mark in domestic cricket soon. Sameen Gul has also been returning from injury, I believe - let’s see what he can do.

Naseem has not played enough to even merit a spot on the team. His test stats are horrific. Take away his 4 wicket haul and 5 wicket haul and he has managed just 10 wickets in 10 innings. That is poor stuff. His FC stats might look good but his international performances have failed to live up to the same expectation. He needs to go back into domestic cricket and learn how to bowl a proper line/length on the off stump and when to bowl full/short/length etc. He is too young, and I hate it when we use the international stage to help players learn. It's where they are to perform, and learn things along the way through those performances. He is learning the basics against teams like New Zealand, who will destroy him the first chance they get.

Hasan Ali should play for us in the tests against South Africa. He has looked a league apart from the rest of the bowlers in the QEA Trophy which has been dominated by batsmen this year. The pitches were also very flat, and he really impressed me with his disciplined bowling and top form. Usman Khan Shinwari got that one test against SL and was dropped afterwards, which made no sense. He should have had the chance to play against Bangladesh as well, it just shows how incompetent our management is.

Overall, the pacers we should keep around the test team for the first part of this decade are:

Shaheen Shah Afridi, Mohammad Abbas, Hasan Ali, Usman Khan Shinwari, Faheem Ashraf, Naseem Shah.

Depending on the conditions, opposition and the workload, we can easily create different combinations of fast bowlers to suit our needs. For example, Abbas might not be extremely useful on Pakistani pitches, hence, an attack of Shaheen, Hasan and Usman could be better.

I'd like to see what Faheem can do on similar wickets in the QEA. If he can take wickets and score runs, I think that he should also get to play at home instead of just in away games.

More importantly, I'd also like to see the introduction of a new spinner. It has to be a finger spinner as they offer a lot more control as opposed to leg spinners. Control is necessary from a spinner overseas. It is hard to take wickets, but if they can provide control to the captain, they can add pressure and run through some overs quickly as well.

Sajid Khan and Zafar Gohar are two names that come to my mind. Sajid is more of a specialist off spinner, and he is the better bowler out of the two. Zafar Gohar offers another dimension with the bat and is a left-arm spinner, and he isn't too bad as well.

Pakistan should adopt a similar setup as India do at home, by playing a left-arm off spinner and a right-arm off spinner.

The team moving forward should look like:

Shan Masood
Usman Salahuddin
Kamran Ghullam/Saud Shakeel
Babar Azam (c)
Fawad Alam
Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
Zafar Gohar/Shadab Khan
Hasan Ali
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Mohammad Abbas
Sajid Khan

That's a good team to have in the subcontinent. Alternatively, if the batting seems a bit light, you could play Shadab instead of Zafar, though he is unfit for the SA series.
 
Pakistan has some of the least talented and technically faulty batsmen in the world.

It is not surprising that a nothing bowler like Naseem ran through them. He used to be fast back then and any bowler who can touch 90 mph is unplayable for our domestic batsmen.

The lack of talent in Pakistan is shocking. It is incredible how we keep churning out talentless players in all departments in spite of a population of 200+ million with cricket the only major sport.

There are about 3-4 quality cricketers in Pakistan only and we a larger pool of players than all other Test countries (excluding India and Bangladesh) combined.

Embarrassing.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

The talented guys are pursuing education and other careers instead of cricket which is full of corruption and incompetence at every level. Only dehatis are pursuing cricket as their profession as it is better than doing odd jobs or working in some farms.
It's the primary reason of technically Inept players with zero intelligence to progress as well.
 
nobody has a problem with a strong fit nasim shah not being successful in a few tests, the problem is that he looked neither, and has missed the entire domestic season where he could have worked on both things.

naseem is a good bowler, but he is only test quality at 90mph, below that he doesnt have the potential to warrant being persisted with at the expense of other domestic performers like hasan ali imo.

I agree. The point being that management must do everything to get his pace up and look after him. He is an asset.
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Dukes should be used in my opinion. A better ball for swing and seam which makes bowling more pleasing to watch subjectively speaking.
 
Good post. Notice how far above and beyond Naseem Shah is - definitely deserves to be persisted with, watch him develop into a real force over the next year or two as he gains more experience and adjusts his action to suit pace while staving off injuries.

Last year had especially flat tracks. If we consider that, then Usman Shinwari and Ehsan Adil were the only other two bowlers worth getting a look in, with Hassan not far behind. I’m excluding Rahat and Sohail due to age.

Looking at this year, Shinwari missed 90% of the season for Lanka Premier League which I think was the worst decision of his career. Ehsan Adil, meanwhile has gone missing and I think is benched right now due to bad performances despite the tracks being better than last year.

That leaves us with Hassan Ali from last year’s bunch, the only one whose numbers are fantastic. Watching him bowl, he passes the naked eye test too since he’s creating fantastic dismissals out of thin air on both helpful and unhelpful pitches.

As a result, it’s clear that we don’t have much bench strength in fast bowling. Hassan Ali and Waqas Maqsood are pretty much the only options on current form, with Hassan markedly better and already exposed to international cricket. It’s worth noting that Hasnain, Rauf haven’t played much first class cricket, with their pace they would be certain to trouble batsmen if they can get some discipline on their lines and lengths. But that’s pretty much it - the hope is that some emerging bowlers like Shahnawaz Dhani, Zeeshan Zameer, and Munir Riaz make their mark in domestic cricket soon. Sameen Gul has also been returning from injury, I believe - let’s see what he can do.

Shinwari is a hit or miss kind of bowler and his misses are of big extremes, much more extreme than other bowlers of the ilk ie Stuart Broad, Umar Gul, Morne Morkel, Mitchell Johnson.
So he is not really rated by selectors for tests and rightly so.

Unless he works on his consistency and becomes a much better bowler, he knows his future lies in LOIs, so it wasn't really a bad decision. One can get away with one of the frontline bowlers having an off day in LOIs but not in tests which is played over 5 days and the only way to end the innings is by bowling the opposition out. It would be akin to playing with bowler who injures himself on the first day and is unable to bowl.
 
Honestly Kokabura has advantages and disadvantages. I'm against this ball.

We all talked about advantages but the biggest disadvantage that it is too easy for batsmen that have short ball problems. This ball doesn't bounce much after it gets soft on these slow pitches


We need to do research on balls that is ideal for Pakistani bowlers and batsmen
 
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Are you preaching such patience because Imran Khan is PM?

You’re really reaching here aren’t you? Lol. I don’t live in Pakistan nor am I interested in the politics there.

But this kind of change is definitely going to take time to adjust. They’ve built their entire skill set on a different type of ball, so when you replace it with the kookaburra you have to give time.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

The talented guys are pursuing education and other careers instead of cricket which is full of corruption and incompetence at every level. Only dehatis are pursuing cricket as their profession as it is better than doing odd jobs or working in some farms.
It's the primary reason of technically Inept players with zero intelligence to progress as well.

I agree with you that professional cricket has become a villager’s game in Pakistan, but I would say that it is because it is no longer possible to balance education with professionalism cricket rather than any perceived corruption/incompetence.

That it is why it is very important to invest in school cricket.
 
I agree with you that professional cricket has become a villager’s game in Pakistan, but I would say that it is because it is no longer possible to balance education with professionalism cricket rather than any perceived corruption/incompetence.

That it is why it is very important to invest in school cricket.

It is good to see you when you come up with posts thst are constructive and not agenda-based.
 
they should continue bowling with the Kookaburra ball.its good to see that they have to work hard for thier wickets and bend thier backs.
 
Many of the plodders who used to take wickets for fun on damp, underprepared wickets in the old setup are being exposed. Now you cannot simply land the ball on a length and let conditions do the work, so only the skilful seamers will stand out.

To be fair to the seamers though, these pitches are still too slow and low hence why spinners are dominating the bowling charts. We really need more pace and bounce in our domestic wickets if we're to compete overseas.

Dukes should be used in my opinion. A better ball for swing and seam which makes bowling more pleasing to watch subjectively speaking.

I've always believed for the ideal balance either you have flat pitches with the Dukes ball, or sporting pitches with the Kookaburra.

Flat pitches and the Kookaburra is ideal for limited, front foot batsmen to boost their averages. Unfortunately we gotta to use the Kookaburra in QEA Trophy since most international cricket is played with it.
 
Do you agree with him?

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Is the current series with England played with Kookaburra? No wonder our seam attack looks awful
 
Pick the best bowler on flat wickets who generates good bounce of length balls. Ideally someone who can also move the ball would be great but that can come later. Then make sure he can consistently hit 135 to 145 without getting tired. Or atleast 130 to 140.

That's it.
 
I used to think this excuse makes sense.

However, it doesn’t.

Three leaders of pace bowling - Australia, New Zealand and South Africa use the kookaburra. Their bowlers still are rocking the world and on top of their game. They take wickets and win matches, no matter where they play.

This excuse will simply not help our bowling unit.

We need to find and nurture pure fast bowlers. Incentivize them massively so they never have to look at another income stream apart from Test and ODI bowling. That is, pay them top dollars in exchange of them not playing most of the leagues and sticking to only one at best. And also skip most T20 international matches.

They should be made to train for long endurance, put in the hard yards entire year in Test and First Class cricket, and never worry about missing any income from T20s.
 
Type of ball used doesn’t have as much impact as being claimed. The reality is that the current Pakistani players are T20 mercenaries rather than at athletes representing their country. While they are eager to play every micky mouse league, they will never play domestic 4-day games.

How can players improve if they don’t play the long format domestically?
 
This is like saying playing with a Slazenger tennis ball will make you a Grand Slam champion.
 
Type of ball is an excuse. A good bowling attack should have the skill to take 20 wickets with any ball

I believe Bangladesh use kookaburra balls at home . And they also took 20 wickets in Pakistan in both Tests .

These are excuses, nothing more.
 
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