Feeling jealous of Pakistan seamers in PSL

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Amir
Wahab
Irfan
Junaid
Raees
Usman
Rahat
Tanvir
Shaheen Afridi
Hassan Ali
Umar Gul
Sameen Gul

And we have Undakat, Thakur and Sran as future.

 

[DRsohail]

Yes .But we are lacking an express fast bowler we had in the fast like Shoaib.Waqar.M.Sami.M.Zahid.....

 

[austerlitz]

Not at all,our future is thampi,nagarkoti,mavi,khaleel.You'll get to see our real bench strength in IPL.

 

[DRsohail]

You forgot to mention salman Irshad.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Tanvir is a pacer?

 

[Sane.Cricket.Fan]

Express pace is nothing. Wicket taking ability is the Real deal.

Would Rate young Shaheen Afridi much higher than someone like Mohd Sami.

Would watch KKR keenly in IPL 2018 because of Nagarkoti and Mavi.

Bhuvi and Bumrag are World class.
Another genuine wicket taking quick would be awesome.. miss a great left armer like Zaheer through.. am therefore bit jealous of young Shaheen

 

[Sane.Cricket.Fan]

And we have Undakat, Thakur and Sran as future.

You forgot Nagarkoti and Mavi . Basil Thampi is there too

Also any team would be jealous of both Bhuvi and Bumrah

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Express pace is nothing. Wicket taking ability is the Real deal.

Would Rate young Shaheen Afridi much higher than someone like Mohd Sami.

Lol,Sami has been great this season as well as previous seasons.Is the second highest wicket taker across the last 3 season(which is depressing)

 

[OneTip-OneHand]

Shaheen looks like a real deal. Hassan is already established. Not much impressed by the rest of the names.

 

[Sane.Cricket.Fan]

Lol,Sami has been great this season as well as previous seasons.Is the second highest wicket taker across the last 3 season(which is depressing)

What's the point of maturing so late at 37 yrs?

Better invest on a promising 17 yr old Shaheen than focusing on someone breaking 160 kmph

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Where is that thread about India producing better fast bowlers than Pakistan?

 

[Sane.Cricket.Fan]

Shaheen looks like a real deal. Hassan is already established. Not much impressed by the rest of the names.

Hasan still has to prove in the Real format.. that is TEST CRICKET. Even Unadkat takes in 11 Crore Indian Rupees in the shorter format.

 

[Sane.Cricket.Fan]

Where is that thread about India producing better fast bowlers than Pakistan?

In the U19 WC the Indian kids certainly looked good.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Where is that thread about India producing better fast bowlers than Pakistan?

India producing better fast bowlers than Pakistan and
Pakistan producing better batsmen than India is a myth.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India producing better fast bowlers than Pakistan and
Pakistan producing better batsmen than India is a myth.

Exactly. That is what I said in that thread too but some fans didn't like it.

 

[Napa]

Exactly. That is what I said in that thread too but some fans didn't like it.

Our current fast bowling unit with Shami, Bhuvi and Bumrah with backups in the form of Umesh and Ishant is very good. I think better than Pakistan's current unit whose leading bowler is the fragile Amir who simply cannot bowl long enough spells to be effective in Tests.

 

[Syed1]

We have always produced the better bowlers and you have always produced the better batsmen, obviously there are outliers like Zaheer Khan and Inzimam. However, if you look at the bulk of the domestic bowling talent in Pakistan it will be much better than India's and vice versa for batting.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

We have always produced the better bowlers and you have always produced the better batsmen, obviously there are outliers like Zaheer Khan and Inzimam. However, if you look at the bulk of the domestic bowling talent in Pakistan it will be much better than India's and vice versa for batting.

I totally agree. But some biased blue and green fans doesn't want to believe the fact.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

In the U19 WC the Indian kids certainly looked good.

Doesn't matter. I saw Shaheen in the Under 19 WC. He is special. And just like India have the batting legends Pakistan have got the bowling legends to help their upcoming talents.

 

[troodon]

Amir
Wahab
Irfan
Junaid
Raees
Usman
Rahat
Tanvir
Shaheen Afridi
Hassan Ali
Umar Gul
Sameen Gul

And we have Undakat, Thakur and Sran as future.

The highlighted ones are world class or will become world class in the future.

The rest of the bowlers debuted almost a decade ago and many are well into 30's and will not make a comeback to Pak National team. When Pak were producing the likes of Wahab, Irfan, Junaid, Umar Gul etc, we were producing Dinda, Vinay, Munaf, Ishant, Praveen and the list of endless trundlers. Those Indian trundlers made it to the team as MSD favored line and length trundelrs.

Since 2014, we produced BK, Bumrah, Shami who are all world class. Unfortunately we seem to have lost Shami now.

But Indian future bowlers look good. Mavi, Porel, Nagarkoti looked very good. As impressive as Shaheen Afridi. Nagarkoti and Mavi are 140k+ bowlers. So Indian pace future is still bright for now.

Unadkat, Thakur are a joke. Sran already debuted and relegated to domestics. We have not seen the likes of Avesh Khan, Khaleel etc yet. We will see them soon in IPL.

Shaheen looks class. Can be a potential ATG.

 

[rhony]

Saw the 2nd rung Indian pacers the other day vs Bangladesh. Thakur, Unadkat and Shankar are all a minor upgraded trundlers. If this is the next best India can offer, then all the hype about solid bench strength is over rated. Bhuvi, Bumrah are excellent but the cup board seems to be bare. Most of the PSL pacers will walk into India's team easily

 

[Arham_PakFan]

The highlighted ones are world class or will become world class in the future.

The rest of the bowlers debuted almost a decade ago and many are well into 30's and will not make a comeback to Pak National team. When Pak were producing the likes of Wahab, Irfan, Junaid, Umar Gul etc, we were producing Dinda, Vinay, Munaf, Ishant, Praveen and the list of endless trundlers. Those Indian trundlers made it to the team as MSD favored line and length trundelrs.

Since 2014, we produced BK, Bumrah, Shami who are all world class. Unfortunately we seem to have lost Shami now.

But Indian future bowlers look good. Mavi, Porel, Nagarkoti looked very good. As impressive as Shaheen Afridi. Nagarkoti and Mavi are 140k+ bowlers. So Indian pace future is still bright for now.

Unadkat, Thakur are a joke. Sran already debuted and relegated to domestics. We have not seen the likes of Avesh Khan, Khaleel etc yet. We will see them soon in IPL.

Shaheen looks class. Can be a potential ATG.

Sameen Gul,Raees and Usman are also good prospects.

 

[backfootpunch]

Where is that thread about India producing better fast bowlers than Pakistan?

India's test pace bowlers and U19 ones are miles ahead. In LOIs it is nip and tuck but India's spinners make the bowling attack in all forms of the game more potent than Pakistan's.

Coming from a Pakistan fan who doesn't wear green tinted glasses.

 

[troodon]

Saw the 2nd rung Indian pacers the other day vs Bangladesh. Thakur, Unadkat and Shankar are all a minor upgraded trundlers. If this is the next best India can offer, then all the hype about solid bench strength is over rated. Bhuvi, Bumrah are excellent but the cup board seems to be bare. Most of the PSL pacers will walk into India's team easily

Shankar is an allrounder. His main strngth is batting. He is a decent bowler who can bowl in mid 130's. Will be a valuable backup for Pandya.

Unadkat and Thakur will be history soon. The 3 U19 bowlers and Avesh, Khaleel etc are the future. If India can unearth even 1 among those 5 bowlers, then BK/Bumrah/(3rd bowler) will be a pretty good bowling attack. Both BK and Bumrah are pretty young. They will play another 5-6yrs at least.

 

[Ellipsism]

Sameen Gul,Raees and Usman are also good prospects.

Do not mention Raees with Gul and Usman. You would expect people would have learnt that by now after the consistent phainty he got in NZ.

 

[srh]

The highlighted ones are world class or will become world class in the future.

The rest of the bowlers debuted almost a decade ago and many are well into 30's and will not make a comeback to Pak National team. When Pak were producing the likes of Wahab, Irfan, Junaid, Umar Gul etc, we were producing Dinda, Vinay, Munaf, Ishant, Praveen and the list of endless trundlers. Those Indian trundlers made it to the team as MSD favored line and length trundelrs.

Since 2014, we produced BK, Bumrah, Shami who are all world class. Unfortunately we seem to have lost Shami now.

But Indian future bowlers look good. Mavi, Porel, Nagarkoti looked very good. As impressive as Shaheen Afridi. Nagarkoti and Mavi are 140k+ bowlers. So Indian pace future is still bright for now.

Unadkat, Thakur are a joke. Sran already debuted and relegated to domestics. We have not seen the likes of Avesh Khan, Khaleel etc yet. We will see them soon in IPL.

Shaheen looks class. Can be a potential ATG.

agree with your 3; Wahab should have made it big with the talent he has; dont know what happened

 

[BreadPakoda]

Some really top prospects there such as Aamir and Hasan. And then a few young bowlers I’m not aware of but I’m sure have tons of potential. But Rahat, Wahab, Tanvir, come on, give me a break yaar.

 

[troodon]

Sameen Gul,Raees and Usman are also good prospects.

Didn't see Sameen yet.

Raees is a trundler. Made a good debut and then seems to have fallen off.

Usman cannot stay fit. But he is good. Not world class.

 

[rhony]

agree with your 3; Wahab should have made it big with the talent he has; dont know what happened

He looks lethal again. Unleashed his inner Johnson with that Goatee today

 

[srh]

there was a left arm fast bowler who can move ball both ways; one eye was a bit different; not sure why he has not debut yet

 

[rhony]

Shankar is an allrounder. His main strngth is batting. He is a decent bowler who can bowl in mid 130's. Will be a valuable backup for Pandya.

Unadkat and Thakur will be history soon. The 3 U19 bowlers and Avesh, Khaleel etc are the future. If India can unearth even 1 among those 5 bowlers, then BK/Bumrah/(3rd bowler) will be a pretty good bowling attack. Both BK and Bumrah are pretty young. They will play another 5-6yrs at least.

Understand he's an all rounder but he seems pretty average with his back of the length stuff. He will be consumed whole against better teams. Pandya's bowling looks way better and that's saying a lot

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Don't feel jealous yet because you haven't seen the best ones.

 

[Langau]

I totally agree. But some biased blue and green fans doesn't want to believe the fact.

They all believe it but dont want to admit it..

 

[Ellipsism]

Don't feel jealous yet because you haven't seen the best ones.

Like? Apart from Bashir, I don’t see anyone who’s playing domestics that’s ready for the next stage.

 

[babajee]

Like? Apart from Bashir, I don’t see anyone who’s playing domestics that’s ready for the next stage.

The holy trinity of Bashir, Ehtisham and Irfan

 

[Ellipsism]

The holy trinity of Bashir, Ehtisham and Irfan

Ehtesham is quality and has impressed many on here, but the guy is yet to play a domestic game and I have a theory it’s to do with political statements he’s previously made.

 

[babajee]

Ehtesham is quality and has impressed many on here, but the guy is yet to play a domestic game and I have a theory it’s to do with political statements he’s previously made.

What about Sadaf Hussain

 

[j_kazmi]

there was a left arm fast bowler who can move ball both ways; one eye was a bit different; not sure why he has not debut yet

Mir Hamza?

 

[j_kazmi]

The Pakistani seamer with the most wickets in the PSL isn’t even in the list: Faheem Ashraf

 

[Ellipsism]

What about Sadaf Hussain

Didn’t look anything special to me, but on merit he should’ve at least played a couple of tests.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Like? Apart from Bashir, I don’t see anyone who’s playing domestics that’s ready for the next stage.

I'd like to see Ehtisham, Bashir, Hasnain and Mudassar playing.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Do not mention Raees with Gul and Usman. You would expect people would have learnt that by now after the consistent phainty he got in NZ.

I think Rumman is good enough for T20s and a bench bowler in ODI’s.As for the phainty in NZ,he did pick 8 wickets in 5 ODI’s,the most for Pak,at an average of 35 and ER of 6.4.That average is less than that of Hasan and Amir,while the ER is equal to Hasan’s.Those aren’t good stats by any means,but not too bad.He does need to improve his fitness though.He was overweight in the NZ series.

 

[Syed1]

The Pakistani seamer with the most wickets in the PSL isn’t even in the list: Faheem Ashraf

Shhhh we don't talk about Klusener alongside mere mortals

 

[Ellipsism]

I think Rumman is good enough for T20s and a bench bowler in ODI’s.As for the phainty in NZ,he did pick 8 wickets in 5 ODI’s,the most for Pak,at an average of 35 and ER of 6.4.That average is less than that of Hasan and Amir,while the ER is equal to Hasan’s.Those aren’t good stats by any means,but not too bad.He does need to improve his fitness though.He was overweight in the NZ series.

Rumman is strictly a T20 bowler, he simply does not have the skill-set nor pace to play the longer forms.

 

[Plumb]

To OP, don’t be jealous. Have a big heart like afridi and share some batsmen.

Our past greats have always helped the Ind pacers that’s another thing that they don’t learn .

 

[CanadianG00se]

To OP, don’t be jealous. Have a big heart like afridi and share some batsmen.

Our past greats have always helped the Ind pacers that’s another thing that they don’t learn .

You can have Dinesh Karthik

 

[Syed1]

You can have Dinesh Karthik

Give Rohit Sharma or Dhawan and we can close a deal right now.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Give Rohit Sharma or Dhawan and we can close a deal right now.

Have Dhawan post WC. We shall be including KL or Shaw in playing XI. Hopefully, Kohli 2.0 is also ready by then.

Will be sight to see Kohli and Gill batting together

 

[Plumb]

That can bite you back as DK may be included in 2019 squad along with Raina.... you never know

 

[aloo paratha]

Still don't understand how some people think Bhuvaneshwar is world class

 

[CanadianG00se]

That can bite you back as DK may be included in 2019 squad along with Raina.... you never know

KL must have harrassed Shastri's daughter or something which is why he is being ignored.

DK is our version of Malik/Hafeez who's been around for many years yet never gives you confidence. Such a useless player.

 

[aloo paratha]

Give Rohit Sharma or Dhawan and we can close a deal right now.

Rohit is a minnow basher mostly. Against top 8 sides he averages 35 @ 75 SR

 

[CanadianG00se]

Still don't understand how some people think Bhuvaneshwar is world class

I also feel the same when people compared Babar with Kohli

 

[DRsohail]

If would have been great if hasnain and Musa also played.

 

[Mr.Q]

Quantity + quality they've got both.

 

[DeadBall]

I'm feeling jealous of all the Indian batsmen

Rohit (on flat tracks)
Pandey
Raina
Karthik
Pant
Pandya
Dhoni
Jadhav

And we just have Shafiq, Shehzad and Babar as our future.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Shaheen Afridi is a gem of a talent. He will be the envy of the cricketing world, let alone India. Pakistan should fast track him into the LOI teams while ensuring he plays plenty of FC cricket.

People forget Starc was not as quick as he is now when he started out.

 

[DeadBall]

Shaheen Afridi is a gem of a talent. He will be the envy of the cricketing world, let alone India. Pakistan should fast track him into the LOI teams while ensuring he plays plenty of FC cricket.

People forget Starc was not as quick as he is now when he started out.

Bowling on those domestic pitches will actually do him more harm than good. Right now he has a bit of pace and bounce. Bowling on those pitches would just turn him into another 130 kph trundler because getting wickets there isn't all that hard.

 

[coy0607]

Rohit is a minnow basher mostly. Against top 8 sides he averages 35 @ 75 SR

That's better than Shehzad, Hafeez, Azhar, Akmal... so basically still better than most Pakistani batsmen

 

[Usman Chadda]

Bowling on those domestic pitches will actually do him more harm than good. Right now he has a bit of pace and bounce. Bowling on those pitches would just turn him into another 130 kph trundler because getting wickets there isn't all that hard.

Think he needs to learn the art of setting up FC level batsmen. Yes the pitches in our domestic cricket are bad, but thats the best training ground he has. International cricket is ruthless for a newbie and he will go the way of Shenwari if introduced too early, specially in Test cricket. LOI games here and there, while he is under constant monitoring by Arthur, Rixon and Azhar will do wonders I feel.

The kid is special though. That ball to Whiteley, full and quick tailing into the batsman. A replica of a usual Starc bowled. Exciting.

 

[DeadBall]

That's better than Shehzad, Hafeez, Azhar, Akmal... so basically still better than most Pakistani batsmen

Being better than current Pakistani batsman is not that big of an accomplishment. Having two arms and legs, being able to fit into a helmet, having the ability to hold a bat and being connected to someone in the PCB seem to be the only requirements of late.

 

[DeadBall]

Think he needs to learn the art of setting up FC level batsmen. Yes the pitches in our domestic cricket are bad, but thats the best training ground he has. International cricket is ruthless for a newbie and he will go the way of Shenwari if introduced too early, specially in Test cricket. LOI games here and there, while he is under constant monitoring by Arthur, Rixon and Azhar will do wonders I feel.

The kid is special though. That ball to Whiteley, full and quick tailing into the batsman. A replica of a usual Starc bowled. Exciting.

Not required with our lot. They are happy giving their wickets on their own like giving mithai at a wedding.

 

[HuzaifaE]

I'd take the current Indian stock of fast bowlers if all fit and at 100% and India has numerous U19 talents coming through. The bowling disparity is vanishing, the batting chasm doesn't cease to widen.

 

[subbu]

Rohit is a minnow basher mostly. Against top 8 sides he averages 35 @ 75 SR

are sure about those stats??

 

[CadPakFan]

That's better than Shehzad, Hafeez, Azhar, Akmal... so basically still better than most TTF's

Correction

 

[aloo paratha]

I also feel the same when people compared Babar with Kohli

Agreed. Babar is not even at Kane Williamson's level let alone Kohli.

 

[babajee]

It’s nice to see threads like this where we all appreciate each other’s strengths unlike the usual rubbish that is regurgitated about Pakistan cricket and Indian cricket by some posters on this forum

 

[subbu]

Rohit is a minnow basher mostly. Against top 8 sides he averages 35 @ 75 SR

Avg. of 42 @86 SR ( excluding even Sri lanka, WI and Bangladesh)

 

[aloo paratha]

Avg. of 42 @86 SR ( excluding even Sri lanka, WI and Bangladesh)

My mistake, I meant away from home. He averages 37 against top 8, take Bangladesh and WI out and it's lower. He's only done good in Australia.

 

[MMHS]

Amir
Wahab
Irfan
Junaid
Raees
Usman
Rahat
Tanvir
Shaheen Afridi
Hassan Ali
Umar Gul
Sameen Gul

And we have Undakat, Thakur and Sran as future.

Actually, the best talent hasn't got a chance in PSL - that U19 kid Arshad Iqbal has the highest ceiling. Shinwari is bowling well also.

 

[GrandMaster]

Sarcasm at its best Amir, Shaheen and Hassan Ali are are only recognized and outstanding bowlers of all those ttfs listed.

If OP thinks Unadkat, Thakur and Sran are future of India then he probably don’t know much about or don’t watch Indian domestic cricket.

 

[Sane.Cricket.Fan]

India producing better fast bowlers than Pakistan and
Pakistan producing better batsmen than India is a myth.

Show me the current Pakistani Bowlers that are better than Bhuvi and Bumrah in ALL 3 FORMATS.

 

[Sane.Cricket.Fan]

Still don't understand how some people think Bhuvaneshwar is world class

Bhuvi makes India win in TEST CRICKET, ODI, T20..

but yes he doesn't just throw the ball at 150 kph though.

 

[IndianFan2018]

We have always produced the better bowlers and you have always produced the better batsmen, obviously there are outliers like Zaheer Khan and Inzimam. However, if you look at the bulk of the domestic bowling talent in Pakistan it will be much better than India's and vice versa for batting.

Agree ...but compared to Pak's progress in batting culture, India is doing better in fast bowling culture ... #JustMyOpinion

 

[IndianFan2018]

India's test pace bowlers and U19 ones are miles ahead. In LOIs it is nip and tuck but India's spinners make the bowling attack in all forms of the game more potent than Pakistan's.

Coming from a Pakistan fan who doesn't wear green tinted glasses.

Honest opinion there ...but many won't agree with facts you stated for obvious reason.

 

[aloo paratha]

Bhuvi makes India win in TEST CRICKET, ODI, T20..

but yes he doesn't just throw the ball at 150 kph though.

With an average of 38? he's a 1 condition bowler. In swinging conditions he is very good I can't deny that, but you can't be world class as a one trick pony.

 

[IndianFan2018]

With an average of 38? he's a 1 condition bowler. In swinging conditions he is very good I can't deny that, but you can't be world class as a one trick pony.

Bhuvi did pretty well in SA tour overall.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Give us Gill and we'll give you (Raees + sadaf and 1 more upcoming lad from domestics)

Not for Trade
Amir
Hassan
Shinwari
Junaid
Shaheen
Sameen
Faheem
Bashir
Ehtisham

 

[IndianFan2018]

Give us Gill and we'll give you (Raees + sadaf and 1 more upcoming lad from domestics)

Not for Trade
Amir
Hassan
Shinwari
Junaid
Shaheen
Sameen
Faheem
Bashir
Ehtisham

No thanks, India is getting better in bowling front slowly (U19 WC win with fast bowling + good batting)

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

With an average of 38? he's a 1 condition bowler. In swinging conditions he is very good I can't deny that, but you can't be world class as a one trick pony.

Please Bro! These are facts.......the world has moved on from all these rudimentary stuff