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Final ODI between Pakistan and New Zealand washed out as series ends in a 1-1 draw

For me, what ruined Hasan's bowling is him coming on too early to bowl, he started opening the bowling in t20s (especially in the PSL) which has made him lose his reverse swing and he's also recently started bowling as early as the 8th over in every match
 
if it rains out we can expect mamoon and co telling us how lucky pakistan was to escape with a drawn series.
just wait and see.
 
Come on. I mean did it really need to rain today!
Any locals here? Pak is winning this game weather permitting.
 
Azzam said:
For me, what ruined Hasan's bowling is him coming on too early to bowl, he started opening the bowling in t20s (especially in the PSL) which has made him lose his reverse swing and he's also recently started bowling as early as the 8th over in every match
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No. He ruined his bowling by playing useless leagues like BPL.
 
warcry said:
if it rains out we can expect mamoon and co telling us how lucky pakistan was to escape with a drawn series.
just wait and see.
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There is nothing lucky about today. It is the capacity of this team to win 2 in 10 games against quality sides. For a long time, I have been stating that teams like India, England, New Zealand, Australia and South Africa would beat us 8/10 times. You see, I did not pull those numbers from thin air - our record against New Zealand and India over the last 12 months proves that my estimation was accurate.

I do not like to toot my own horn, but sometimes people force me to do so. I have a very solid measure of the capability and potential of this team, and it has mediocrity written all over it.
 
I would rather have Dar in the men’s team instead of Shoaib Malik at the moment
 
Mamoon said:
There is nothing lucky about today. It is the capacity of this team to win 2 in 10 games against quality sides. For a long time, I have been stating that teams like India, England, New Zealand, Australia and South Africa would beat us 8/10 times. You see, I did not pull those numbers from thin air - our record against New Zealand and India over the last 12 months proves that my estimation was accurate.

I do not like to toot my own horn, but sometimes people force me to do so. I have a very solid measure of the capability and potential of this team, and it has mediocrity written all over it.
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if you are so pessimistic. why do you follow pakistan cricket? there are teams out there besides pakistan to follow.
 
warcry said:
if you are so pessimistic. why do you follow pakistan cricket? there are teams out there besides pakistan to follow.
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He is here on a mission to make us realize how stupid we are when we support Pakistan and get happy when they win. Gives him some sort of security and satisfaction whenever the average Pakistani fan is disheartened or disappointed
 
warcry said:
if you are so pessimistic. why do you follow pakistan cricket? there are teams out there besides pakistan to follow.
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There is no such thing as pessimism or optimism. A glass only holds specific quantity of water, quantity that can be easily measured. A half-full or a half-empty approach will not change that quantity, it will only change your perception, and I prefer a realistic perception instead of living in cuckoo land.
 
pakistani pride said:
Apart from that fluke hattrick he has been easily faced by PAK batsmen. FZ punished him!
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That hattrick was the reason Pakistani team lost that match otherwise the team got pretty close in the end considering where they started
 
I just wonder why Mamoon is following cricket team of Pakistan, I only see negative comments from him and i would say negativity is written all over him.
 
Instead of playing a curtailed game (or drawn series), they should come back tomorrow and start with a fresh toss.
 
One person in Peshawar must be praying like crazy that the rain continues
 
Mamoon said:
There is nothing lucky about today. It is the capacity of this team to win 2 in 10 games against quality sides. For a long time, I have been stating that teams like India, England, New Zealand, Australia and South Africa would beat us 8/10 times. You see, I did not pull those numbers from thin air - our record against New Zealand and India over the last 12 months proves that my estimation was accurate.

I do not like to toot my own horn, but sometimes people force me to do so. I have a very solid measure of the capability and potential of this team, and it has mediocrity written all over it.
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Correct you do not like tooting your horn as you much prefer blowing your trumpet, as evident in the complete nonsensicall drivel you have just written.

Because you are narcissistic in nature you will not change no matter what the outcome is as you dont want to be proven wrong, like you have many times in the past.
 
After a good batting display by Pakistan this rain ☔ just ruining the fun. I mean it's good the desert is getting some water but could have chosen another day.
 
90MPH said:
Correct you do not like tooting your horn as you much prefer blowing your trumpet, as evident in the complete nonsensicall drivel you have just written.

Because you are narcissistic in nature you will not change no matter what the outcome is as you dont want to be proven wrong, like you have many times in the past.
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Again, you can deny facts all you want.

8 losses and 1 win over the last 9 matches against New Zealand and India is not nonsensical drivel; it is a fact that you want to hide from.
 
Realistically, based on this series, Pak will beat NZ 50 percent of the time in next 10 games if there is no result today. If they won, it will prove they will beat NZ 7/10:broad
 
Mamoon said:
Again, you can deny facts all you want.

8 losses and 1 win over the last 9 matches against New Zealand and India is not nonsensical drivel; it is a fact that you want to hide from.
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Many teams go through a loosing streak, Aussies streak before the one SA win wasnt one to be proud of either,
 
Mamoon said:
There is no such thing as pessimism or optimism. A glass only holds specific quantity of water, quantity that can be easily measured. A half-full or a half-empty approach will not change that quantity, it will only change your perception, and I prefer a realistic perception instead of living in cuckoo land.
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As they say, a stopped clock tells the time at least twice a day. Stay negative long enough, and you may well be proven right. But no analyst or coach ever had much use for such hollow wisdom.

No one can know what was a player's true quality until the end of their career. Had Mitch Johnson been forced to retire because of injury before he found his grove briefly, in those series against England, his legacy would be far different from the one we know today. And the results of those series may well have been different too.

To take pride in one's ability to claim at the end of a career that a player were either good or bad is in other words nothing but tautology; the most banal and useless exercise.

To claim even before they have started their career that they will never amount to anything is equally banal, because at once cowardly and stupid, lacking in that most indispensable ingredient of wisdom; the ability to know what you cannot know.

Pakistan did some things right in the CT, have been doing many things wrong before and after the CT, and have done some things right again in this series. That is the simplest and persuasive explanation for our shifting fortunes.

So the question is, what did we do right, and how can we do more of it?

Those who cannot learn from success as well as failure will suffer each in equal measure.
Whoever cannot believe that we also make our own luck will always live at the mercy of the weather.
 
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Titan24 said:
Many teams go through a loosing streak, Aussies streak before the one SA win wasnt one to be proud of either,
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Yes, but we have not won 5 World Cups and did not produce arguably the greatest team of all time.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, but we have not won 5 World Cups and did not produce arguably the greatest team of all time.
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Agreed but the point I was trying to make was even the best of the teams can have a poor patch.

No denying we need to improve a lot.
 
Mamoon said:
There is nothing lucky about today. It is the capacity of this team to win 2 in 10 games against quality sides. For a long time, I have been stating that teams like India, England, New Zealand, Australia and South Africa would beat us 8/10 times. You see, I did not pull those numbers from thin air - our record against New Zealand and India over the last 12 months proves that my estimation was accurate.

I do not like to toot my own horn, but sometimes people force me to do so. I have a very solid measure of the capability and potential of this team, and it has mediocrity written all over it.
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Can't slate someone for facts and it shows you were one of the few on here that are actually woke to it all. Slap in the face to the hype brigade.
 
Mamoon said:
Again, you can deny facts all you want.

8 losses and 1 win over the last 9 matches against New Zealand and India is not nonsensical drivel; it is a fact that you want to hide from.
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The facts are absolutely correct but would have to include 8 losses and 1 in over the last matches against New Zealand and India and one CT win before that, in which Pakistan not only won the tournament, and beat England and India comprehensively, but also lost only one match; even mighty India lost to Lanka. In other words, you have to explain ALL the facts, not only some of them.

And 'luck' is not an explanation. It is a cop out.

You cannot have been so consistently and spectacularly wrong about Yasir and Abbas, and then boast of your ability to size up the worth of a team, almost comically so, in so far as you coyly profess that you do not wanti to blow your own horn. It is easy to be right about the general and the long term, but in the long term we are all dead, as Keynes said. The trick is to live and think what happens in the middle.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, but we have not won 5 World Cups and did not produce arguably the greatest team of all time.
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True but we do have a relatively young squad.

I don't think we're better than the top 4-5 teams, but say we win today it's a step in the right direction for a young squad and could be a sign of improvement.

There are quite a few positives from the series to take away from and I think most are just saying to have at least some semblance of optimism.
 
New Yorker said:
As they say, a stopped clock tells the time at least twice a day. Stay negative long enough, and you may well be proven right. But no analyst or coach ever had much use for such hollow wisdom.

No one can know what was a player's true quality until the end of their career. Had Mitch Johnson been forced to retire because of injury before he found his grove briefly, in those series against England, his legacy would be far different from the one we know today. And the results of those series may well have been different too.

To take pride in one's ability to claim at the end of a career that a player were either good or bad is in other words nothing but tautology; the most banal and useless exercise.

To claim even before they have started their career that they will never amount to anything is equally banal, because at once cowardly and stupid, lacking in that most indispensable ingredient of wisdom; the ability to know what you cannot know.

Pakistan did some things right in the CT, have been doing many things wrong before and after the CT, and have done some things right again in this series. That is the simplest and persuasive explanation for our shifting fortunes.

So the question is, what did we do right, and how can we do more of it?

Those who cannot learn from success as well as failure will suffer each in equal measure.
Whoever cannot believe that we also make our own luck will always live at the mercy of the weather.
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POTW for me
 
Mamoon said:
There is no such thing as pessimism or optimism. A glass only holds specific quantity of water, quantity that can be easily measured. A half-full or a half-empty approach will not change that quantity, it will only change your perception, and I prefer a realistic perception instead of living in cuckoo land.
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I believe they are asking then if your realistic perception has you concluding that this team is trash, why do you follow/watch?
 
New Yorker said:
As they say, a stopped clock tells the time at least twice a day. Stay negative long enough, and you may well be proven right. But no analyst or coach ever had much use for such hollow wisdom.

No one can know what was a player's true quality until the end of their career. Had Mitch Johnson been forced to retire because of injury before he found his grove briefly, in those series against England, his legacy would be far different from the one we know today. And the results of those series may well have been different too.

To take pride in one's ability to claim at the end of a career that a player were either good or bad is in other words nothing but tautology; the most banal and useless exercise.

To claim even before they have started their career that they will never amount to anything is equally banal, because at once cowardly and stupid, lacking in that most indispensable ingredient of wisdom; the ability to know what you cannot know.

Pakistan did some things right in the CT, have been doing many things wrong before and after the CT, and have done some things right again in this series. That is the simplest and persuasive explanation for our shifting fortunes.

So the question is, what did we do right, and how can we do more of it?

Those who cannot learn from success as well as failure will suffer each in equal measure.
Whoever cannot believe that we also make our own luck will always live at the mercy of the weather.
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The problem is that Pakistan did not do anything right in the Champions Trophy. They won the tournament due to a series of bizarre events which is why the wheels came off after the tournament.

There was no method or formula to our success, and that is why we have not been able to replicate it. Everything fell in place for three matches against three better teams. There is nothing replicable about how we beat South Africa, England and India, which is why have struggled to do more of it.

Hasan Ali's purple patch, South Africa imploding with the bat, D/L saving us from a banana skin run chase, England batting shoddily on a used pitch, Kohli opting to bowl, Bumrah bowling the no-ball, Kohli getting out twice in two balls etc. I won't go into Perera dropping dollies in the virtual quarterfinal because Pakistan is better than Sri Lanka.

However, other than Hasan Ali's poor run of form which needs to be looked into, the other events are not replicable. Everything that could go right for us did, and if it happens again, we will beat these top teams again. However, it is not something that happens with high frequency.

More often than not, the better team is going to win simply because it better, but we had our day in three successive games in the Champions Trophy, and such turn of events happen very rarely. India 1983 World Cup, West Indies Champions Trophy 2004 and now our triumph last year. There is nothing to learn from these successes, because there is not much that you can repeat or reproduce.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, but we have not won 5 World Cups and did not produce arguably the greatest team of all time.
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For now please stop doing your bhangra rain dance.

Any news on re-start anyone? Pakistan deserve to win this series, dominated NZ since the first ODI.
 
Mamoon said:
There is no such thing as pessimism or optimism. A glass only holds specific quantity of water, quantity that can be easily measured. A half-full or a half-empty approach will not change that quantity, it will only change your perception, and I prefer a realistic perception instead of living in cuckoo land.
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i will quote what virat kohli siad to that fan who did not like indian batsmen but liked foreign players.

if you do not like pakistan cricket, you are free to watch something else, anything else. the premier league is on right now, der klassiker was yesterday. or you could watch kabbadi or hockey or snooker or Tennis.

or you can come out the closet and admit that you are just a bitter old man who gets all his sick kicks from demeaning everything relating to pakistan cricket.

this site was meant for actual fans of pakistan cricket and you are not one of those.
 
[MENTION=139754]New Yorker[/MENTION] bowling some lethal yorkers.
 
I just woke up and I saw the scoreboard. Can someone tell me why Sarfaraz batted at 9. Once again Hafeez opening:facepalm:
 
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