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For the love of God, please don’t play Mohammad Rizwan in the New Zealand T20I series

Hope this ends the Sarfraz Saga for good. Please retire gracefully bhaijaan

He will be around as the back-up keeper till Rohail establishes himself in domestic/Pakistan A side. Then he will be put to pasture for good.
 
Talking about goal keepers, goal posts...

You were only backing him in this side because he is the best keeper in the world. He scores runs today so now you want to do a little bhangra of your own?

You still didn't answer his question.
 
You still didn't answer his question.

God help us now that Rizwan will be our keeper for the next 5 years. Nobody else will probably get a look now.

This day reminds me of Order 66 in The revenge of the Sith, when Anakin was marching into the Jedi Temple with his storm troopers to end the Jedi...Tragic day.
 
He has also improved he power game to an extent. He knew his power game required improvements and mentioned in Nat T20 that he was working on that.

Yes he was hitting clean sixes and had much greater awareness of the field too. Overall the innings speaks to his character as a player willing to do what it takes to improve. Pakistan is lucky to have someone like him.
 
I am with Rana here. This was a dead rubber. He never scored when it mattered. Lets see him show consistent performances like these before we jump off our rails to celebrate. He deserves credit for performing today however it does not delete his last two performances.
 
God help us now that Rizwan will be our keeper for the next 5 years. Nobody else will probably get a look now.

This day reminds me of Order 66 in The revenge of the Sith, when Anakin was marching into the Jedi Temple with his storm troopers to end the Jedi...Tragic day.


Still not answering the question, mate.

This is not a Star Wars thread so kindly stay on topic.
 
I am with Rana here. This was a dead rubber. He never scored when it mattered. Lets see him show consistent performances like these before we jump off our rails to celebrate. He deserves credit for performing today however it does not delete his last two performances.

Bro check the first post I made in this thread. Its not like I didnt know he was going to pull off a stunt like this.
 
I am with Rana here. This was a dead rubber. He never scored when it mattered. Lets see him show consistent performances like these before we jump off our rails to celebrate. He deserves credit for performing today however it does not delete his last two performances.

AND name one alternative who scores when it matters don't bring up psl performances as that is no benchmark
 
Mubarak to all the haters

Rizwan shows his character once again And puts the usual doubters back in their place
 
Still not answering the question, mate.

This is not a Star Wars thread so kindly stay on topic.

Im in a traumatic shock here. We are doomed for the next God knows how long.

Is he going to open the batting now with Babar? Whilst the real teams open with Seifert+McCullum, Warner+Finch, KL+Sharma, Roy+Butler?

Do you realise the implications this will have in the long run? This isnt even about the guy personally, its simply about what he brings to the table as a limited overs cricketer, that too as an opener.
 
Rana you okay? I don't expect you to pay any credits since you are a blind hater. An unbelievably good match winning anchor innings but since you are a Sarfaraz supporter I expect nothing but hatred from you
 
I am with Rana here. This was a dead rubber. He never scored when it mattered. Lets see him show consistent performances like these before we jump off our rails to celebrate. He deserves credit for performing today however it does not delete his last two performances.

He is our first or second highest scorer in this T20 Tour lol as an opener. Don't cry
 
Rana you okay? I don't expect you to pay any credits since you are a blind hater. An unbelievably good match winning anchor innings but since you are a Sarfaraz supporter I expect nothing but hatred from you

You should expect nothing but reality from me. An honest view. If that translates as hate then so be it.
 
If the series was in balance 1-1, this innings today would probably mean I should be off PP until London moves back into Tier 2.

But I guess I have criticised him enough for his supporters to enjoy this day. Fair play
 
It’s the first time he’s played in new Zealand on these ins of pitches it takes time to get used to them. Even better and great batsmen in this current era and in the past have struggled in their first series playing away. So need give him time, he has good character and is amazing behind the stumps. He works hard and does his best and had a great attitude. He will become better if he keeps his head on a level
 
AND name one alternative who scores when it matters don't bring up psl performances as that is no benchmark

This is a irrelevant question as my point was this innings does not change the fact that Rizwan failed in this series. Finding the alternative is not my job its the selectors.
 
India be killing NZ 5-0 in their backyard,

Whilst the Rizwan fans acting as if we have won the ICC world T20+IPL cup today with Rizwan's match winning knock.
 
Im in a traumatic shock here. We are doomed for the next God knows how long.

Is he going to open the batting now with Babar? Whilst the real teams open with Seifert+McCullum, Warner+Finch, KL+Sharma, Roy+Butler?

Do you realise the implications this will have in the long run? This isnt even about the guy personally, its simply about what he brings to the table as a limited overs cricketer, that too as an opener.

LOL. Nice way to keep dodging the question. I knew 3 comments ago that you didn't have an answer because there is no answer besides Rizwan.

Your notion that Rizwan simply has no chance of improving or becoming a good limited-overs cricketer is why you have lost all credibility in my eyes. And the confidence with which you present your assertions makes one think you know him personally. Even if you did you couldn't predict how his career will turn out.
 
To those who comment that it was only a dead rubber, believe me no touring side wants to leave a country without winning a single match so it meant more than just being a meaningless T20.
 
LOL. Nice way to keep dodging the question. I knew 3 comments ago that you didn't have an answer because there is no answer besides Rizwan.

Your notion that Rizwan simply has no chance of improving or becoming a good limited-overs cricketer is why you have lost all credibility in my eyes. And the confidence with which you present your assertions makes one think you know him personally. Even if you did you couldn't predict how his career will turn out.

Alright my friend. Plenty of cricket to come now. Plenty of matches when the series will be alive. Plenty of opportunities for Rizwan to now take us to the upper echelons of white ball cricket.
 
To those who comment that it was only a dead rubber, believe me no touring side wants to leave a country without winning a single match so it meant more than just being a meaningless T20.

The win saved us a whitewash. But to say this one performance is some kind of turning point is a reach. Rizwan in the last two games before this one played exactly like the data says. As a Pakistan fan one can only hope he improves his strike rate.
 
Alright my friend. Plenty of cricket to come now. Plenty of matches when the series will be alive. Plenty of opportunities for Rizwan to now take us to the upper echelons of white ball cricket.

Do you think Rizwan has a permanent spot as opener after this performance?
 
Alright my friend. Plenty of cricket to come now. Plenty of matches when the series will be alive. Plenty of opportunities for Rizwan to now take us to the upper echelons of white ball cricket.

No need to over-exaggerate buddy. But you should atleast be happy that he has closed the door on that liability Sarfraz.
 
No need to over-exaggerate buddy. But you should atleast be happy that he has closed the door on that liability Sarfraz.

I don’t like Sarfaraz, I don’t think he is a great T20 option.

But what I do dislike is the singling out of players such as Sarfaraz and I kept on reiterating that Rizwan simply needs to do the bare minimum to keep Sarfaraz (the antagonist) out of the game. This is the politics I oppose.

He may have closed the door on him but we are still a shockingly poor team. Our fielding is the worst out of all the ICC nations including the associates. I don’t think it was like this under Sarfaraz, he kept these boys on their toes with his shouting or whatever, but you won’t have a guy like Talat or Haider consistently mid fielding under Sarfaraz
 
Do you think Rizwan has a permanent spot as opener after this performance?

Well this is a headache for Pakistan and Babar Azam.

It’s the only position he can bat. I hope it gives him the confidence to just go for it now, he has a couple of shots that he is very, very strong at such as the midwicket to fine leg area. Needs to find a way to play lesser dots (convert to singles)
 
Sarfaraz in his entire T20 career couldn’t play an innings of such impact. Riz was under significant pressure and To play such an impactful innings shows a lot about his character.
 
I don’t like Sarfaraz, I don’t think he is a great T20 option.

But what I do dislike is the singling out of players such as Sarfaraz and I kept on reiterating that Rizwan simply needs to do the bare minimum to keep Sarfaraz (the antagonist) out of the game. This is the politics I oppose.

He may have closed the door on him but we are still a shockingly poor team. Our fielding is the worst out of all the ICC nations including the associates. I don’t think it was like this under Sarfaraz, he kept these boys on their toes with his shouting or whatever, but you won’t have a guy like Talat or Haider consistently mid fielding under Sarfaraz

When someone is as talented a wicket-keeper as Rizwan he deserves all the confidence and support he can get. His batting is an added bonus and as he showed in England, Australia and a handful of times in limited-overs; he has the potential to become a genuinely great batsman aswell.
 
Some posters seriously. India won a dead rubber against Aussies. It led them to winning T20 series. They discovered Natrajan. Similarly in 2016 they discovered Bumrah. These plastic fans need not be taken seriously.
 
Rizwan is not perfect but he is the best keeper in Pakistan. And he has shown ability with the bat in all formats. Also done well at domestic level. We have bigger problems to worry about than Mohammed Rizwan.
 
Some posters seriously. India won a dead rubber against Aussies. It led them to winning T20 series. They discovered Natrajan. Similarly in 2016 they discovered Bumrah. These plastic fans need not be taken seriously.
Not plastic fans. Pathetic ******* who would want Pakistan to lose rather than win due to a contribution from their non-favorite player.
 
Great performance today, it shouldn't be ignored just because this match was a dead-rubber game. He is good enough for Test and ODI, but he needs to have more of these performances to really be convincing in being an aggressive T20 player with a decent enough strike rate, but there really isn't any other keeper who is at the moment good enough to replace Rizwan in any format. No point in fast-tracking Rohail Nazir, as we have seen what has happened when the likes of Haider Ali and Abdullah Shafique are fast-tracked.
 
you have some problem in your mind really you like rizwan because every one else like dont like it

your problem is that you just want to opposite side of the peoples

There are very few Pakistani cricketers that I consider to be good. He is one of them.

Most people don’t understand cricket so it is understandable why I disagree with them.
 
Talking about goal keepers, goal posts...

You were only backing him in this side because he is the best keeper in the world. He scores runs today so now you want to do a little bhangra of your own?

What bhangra? Today was an illustration of the fact that Rizwan is by far the best option we have today.

His batting alone is not great and not comparable to the top white ball keepers in the world, but he is still better than other Pakistani options.

Only those people who overestimate Pakistani talent are the ones who always question his place in the side.

We don’t exactly have Buttlers and Bairstows waiting in the ranks who can replace him.
 
Rana you deserve this humiliation. Lol sarfraz. He csn only dream of playing a knock like this. Having said that I would want azam Khan to replace him.
 
Wow, you guys just won a game chill :)) In England this would never happen, a player wins you a game and then you start to complain about it lol I’d like to think players could do with support especially when they perform, Rizwan to me doesn’t come across as a hack or terrible cricketer, he has an excellent cricketing IQ and that generally seems to be missing from the Pakistani team regardless of how talented the players may be.
 
Rana you deserve this humiliation. Lol sarfraz. He csn only dream of playing a knock like this. Having said that I would want azam Khan to replace him.

Humiliation for what man? I don’t see him holding the T20 trophy like Kane Williamson is holding right now.

Also, read the first post I made in this thread.
 
Humiliation for what man? I don’t see him holding the T20 trophy like Kane Williamson is holding right now.

Also, read the first post I made in this thread.

Humiliation for supporting a nothing cricket like sarfraz and club level wicket kwpper zeeshan ashraf over him.
 
What bhangra? Today was an illustration of the fact that Rizwan is by far the best option we have today.

His batting alone is not great and not comparable to the top white ball keepers in the world, but he is still better than other Pakistani options.

Only those people who overestimate Pakistani talent are the ones who always question his place in the side.

We don’t exactly have Buttlers and Bairstows waiting in the ranks who can replace him.

But bottom hand hack zeeshan ashraf and sarfraz are better then him.
 
What bhangra? Today was an illustration of the fact that Rizwan is by far the best option we have today.

His batting alone is not great and not comparable to the top white ball keepers in the world, but he is still better than other Pakistani options.

Only those people who overestimate Pakistani talent are the ones who always question his place in the side.

We don’t exactly have Buttlers and Bairstows waiting in the ranks who can replace him.

Rizwan played so well today that even Butler would have been very proud if he played a similar innings. He paced the innings to perfection.
 
God help us now that Rizwan will be our keeper for the next 5 years. Nobody else will probably get a look now.

This day reminds me of Order 66 in The revenge of the Sith, when Anakin was marching into the Jedi Temple with his storm troopers to end the Jedi...Tragic day.

You clearly are a regionalist, may be you want your favourites to be selected instead. Even Babar hasn't played such a knock and you are sad. Instead of thinking as a Pakistani and enjoying the win, you are acting like a sad fortune teller.
 
Amazing knock by Rizwan. Chuffed for him. He did everything right today.

Also delighted it helped Pakistan win.

Jury is still out on him though. I still don't think he belongs at T20, certainly not top of the order.

Not many innings where he will get to play 40+ balls before being able to launch.

Two areas of improvement:

1. Finding gaps
2. Power hitting - particularly big grounds.

Still, I wish him well in LOIs and hope someone better comes along for these formats while Rizwan plays tests for Pakistan for the next 10 years.
 
India be killing NZ 5-0 in their backyard,

Whilst the Rizwan fans acting as if we have won the ICC world T20+IPL cup today with Rizwan's match winning knock.

It's good if he open with babar he fastly discarded then playing at 5,6
 
India be killing NZ 5-0 in their backyard,

Whilst the Rizwan fans acting as if we have won the ICC world T20+IPL cup today with Rizwan's match winning knock.

Pakistan is not in India league. We need to compare our performances to other small teams like West Indies, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.
 
I don’t like him as a limited overs player

But he will do the bare minimum required from him in order to get the long rope which the management is so desperate to give him. That too as an opener.

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Its not like I didnt know this was going to happen.
 
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Its not like I didnt know this was going to happen.
A blazing 89 is not the bare minimum at all. What would have fatty Sarfraz done? Probably 23 (10) or so all in the matches.
 
I am glad that we won but this fluke innings against NZ trundlers will do us more damage than good in the long term. Hopefully, Mohammad Wasim will look past this innings, I know Misbah won't.
 
A blazing 89 is not the bare minimum at all. What would have fatty Sarfraz done? Probably 23 (10) or so all in the matches.

It is the bare minimum because those 20 odds he scored in the first two games didnt get him dropped for the 3rd pointless game where he scored something that will keep him going now for the next 100 years
 
I am glad that we won but this fluke innings against NZ trundlers will do us more damage than good in the long term. Hopefully, Mohammad Wasim will look past this innings, I know Misbah won't.

of course Misbah will not. He played him in all 3 ODI's against Zimbabwe so that he could desperately get a score that would give him that long rope in the first place. He also played him in all 3 T20s against Zimbabwe in the hope that he gets the chance to score a 30 off 25 to cement his place as the T20 keeper batsman.
 
A blazing 89 is not the bare minimum at all. What would have fatty Sarfraz done? Probably 23 (10) or so all in the matches.

Can we keep our language in check and not overhype? It was a good innings, but it was not “blazing” by any means.

1. He first made 50(40) then compensated for it.

2. This is a 190-200 par ground. More credit should be given to our bowlers than is being given to Rizwan, in particular, Faheem Ashraf despite me not particularly liking him.

3. If you already have an anchor in Babar Azam, 23(10) in almost all cases is better than a 50(40).

Full credit to Rizwan for scoring 39 off of the next 19 deliveries. I hope he can replicate this last phase of his innings more often moving forward.
 
If Haider or Abdullah Shafique did what Rizwan today, PP would be handing out mithai and doing banghra into the night.
 
If Haider or Abdullah Shafique did what Rizwan today, PP would be handing out mithai and doing banghra into the night.

If Haider or Abdullah or Rizwan made 50(40) and then got out, they would all be obliviated out of existence.

Truth is, people improve. Rizwan’s third set of 20 balls shows he’s been working hard on improvement. Kudos to him.
 
If Haider or Abdullah or Rizwan made 50(40) and then got out, they would all be obliviated out of existence.

Truth is, people improve. Rizwan’s third set of 20 balls shows he’s been working hard on improvement. Kudos to him.

In the same match today, Conway’s last 15-20 balls were around the 250 sr mark. This was a good pitch to bat on once you get your eye in. Only Seifert was creaming the ball from the word go.
 
Can we keep our language in check and not overhype? It was a good innings, but it was not “blazing” by any means.

1. He first made 50(40) then compensated for it.

2. This is a 190-200 par ground. More credit should be given to our bowlers than is being given to Rizwan, in particular, Faheem Ashraf despite me not particularly liking him.

3. If you already have an anchor in Babar Azam, 23(10) in almost all cases is better than a 50(40).

Full credit to Rizwan for scoring 39 off of the next 19 deliveries. I hope he can replicate this last phase of his innings more often moving forward.

Sorry I meant 13(10) not 23(10). Sarfraz wouldn't give any starts at all.
 
Can we keep our language in check and not overhype? It was a good innings, but it was not “blazing” by any means.

1. He first made 50(40) then compensated for it.

2. This is a 190-200 par ground. More credit should be given to our bowlers than is being given to Rizwan, in particular, Faheem Ashraf despite me not particularly liking him.

3. If you already have an anchor in Babar Azam, 23(10) in almost all cases is better than a 50(40).

Full credit to Rizwan for scoring 39 off of the next 19 deliveries. I hope he can replicate this last phase of his innings more often moving forward.

Good innings rubbish innings blazing innings whatever. Sarfraz the racist specialist captain could never play a knock like that and that's a fact.
 
If Haider or Abdullah or Rizwan made 50(40) and then got out, they would all be obliviated out of existence.

Truth is, people improve. Rizwan’s third set of 20 balls shows he’s been working hard on improvement. Kudos to him.

But If they won the game people would forget about that.

Rizwan is one of the few quality players we have and he gets so much hate. He has issues in LO, but compared to some other players on PP who get hype and don't live up to expectations, Rizwan is fine.
 
Yes it's one innings, but once again Rizwan has shown what he is capable of.

Very impressive batting and the joint-highest score by a Pakistani wk in T20Is.
 
Never talk badly about Rizwan ever again.

I will a bit though.

His dismissal in the final over today was very remiscient of him during the Aus ODI series in UAE, where after a brilliant individual performance he didn't keep his cool when it mattered.

Rizwan definitely needs to work on his ability to finish a game off and win matches for Pakistan.
 
I don't understand why Rizwan gets so much of hate in this forum. The guy is a fighter and an excellent test player plus a super fit guy who is willing and hungry to learn. Only Babar and Rizwan played decently in Australia test series. He said that he was working on his power game. This is his first tour of NZ and does not look that bat in the first 2 T20s compared to other so called talented And darling players like Abdullah, Haider & Khushdil. But in T20 after Babar and Fakhar or Sharjeel comeback his utility will be limited. He is not an ideal guy who can slog in the end. He can be utilized only at top
 
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Members on this forum, myself included deserve some of this.

Grab a slice while its hot, there will be plenty of demand for a piece.

"We deserve this humiliation" :ua
 
Fantastic innings by Rizwan, can't believe people want him dropped. Easily one of the best keepers in the world, and a good enough batsman to fill the keeping slot in all formats.

It's not like he bashed minnows, he scored against an attack consisting of Trent Boult, Tim Southee, and Kyle Jamison.
 
He's played well, and kudos to him for playing that innings.

However, the elephant in the room is how to get him and Babar in the same side effectively. Ideally u want Babar and an aggressive opener (e.g. Sharjeel) to set the tempo. As good as Rizwan's innings ended up being, he still had too many dot balls in the powerplay. That type of batting will end up putting too much pressure on Babar I feel.

The innings he played confirmed more that he's a no.4 in ODIs rather than a consistently productive t20 opener, in that he starts slow and then can pick up the pace.

If Riz can learn how to rotate strike and play inside out in the PP, well then we're talking.

Until then, the jury's out
 
It was a great inning, and some shots that he played really gave me hope about his future in limited over cricket, but that said, I agree with some posters above, it was one inning. He needs to build consistency over a period of time before we can pass effective judgement on him.
 
He's played well, and kudos to him for playing that innings.

However, the elephant in the room is how to get him and Babar in the same side effectively. Ideally u want Babar and an aggressive opener (e.g. Sharjeel) to set the tempo. As good as Rizwan's innings ended up being, he still had too many dot balls in the powerplay. That type of batting will end up putting too much pressure on Babar I feel.

The innings he played confirmed more that he's a no.4 in ODIs rather than a consistently productive t20 opener, in that he starts slow and then can pick up the pace.

If Riz can learn how to rotate strike and play inside out in the PP, well then we're talking.

Until then, the jury's out

I have the same opinion. Some real selection headaches right now, I reckon.
 
Happy for Rizwan. Even though I dont thin he belongs in T20, he played his heart out !

He played some great shots. But I do think that he needs to improve his power hitting, if he is to play T20 for a longer period.

Hope he continues this form in Test cricket and ODI's , where he should be our permanent keeper for now.
 
He's played well, and kudos to him for playing that innings.

However, the elephant in the room is how to get him and Babar in the same side effectively. Ideally u want Babar and an aggressive opener (e.g. Sharjeel) to set the tempo. As good as Rizwan's innings ended up being, he still had too many dot balls in the powerplay. That type of batting will end up putting too much pressure on Babar I feel.

The innings he played confirmed more that he's a no.4 in ODIs rather than a consistently productive t20 opener, in that he starts slow and then can pick up the pace.

If Riz can learn how to rotate strike and play inside out in the PP, well then we're talking.

Until then, the jury's out

This is my concern also. Rizwan is not suitable to play in the middle order as a finisher and before this innings, he was not working as an opener either. The problem is that he tends to start slow and plays out a lot of dot balls. Once he is set, he can accelerate, but that is not a certainty that he will get in every time. So, if he wants to succeed at the top, he has to improve his strike rotation. Otherwise, he will burden Babar and that is not worth it.
 
Well at the very least Rizwan's proven me wrong in this game. So when Babar comes back, where would Rizwan fit in the XI? Is management going to go forward with a Babar-Rizwan T20 opening combo in the future? Honestly, I don't think it's ideal as Babar is suited for a dasher as his partner. Unless Rizwan develops a consistency with being aggressive in the opening powerplays, I don't really know what to make of this innings in the grand scheme of things.

However, I am pleased with this innings in that Rizwan will carry this form into the test series as, so far, that has been his best format pertaining to his batting.
 
A carpenter was once asked to make a shoe because all the cobblers were out of form. The carpenter did a great job of making a shoe. He was still a carpenter.
 
This innings is likely to prompt Misbah to open with Rizwan in ODIs and T20Is permanently especially with Fakhar on the bring of getting axed from the squad.

ODIs: Imam & Rizwan
T20Is: Babar & Rizwan

This also allows Pakistan the flexibility to play an additional middle-order batsman.
 
This innings is likely to prompt Misbah to open with Rizwan in ODIs and T20Is permanently especially with Fakhar on the bring of getting axed from the squad.

ODIs: Imam & Rizwan
T20Is: Babar & Rizwan

This also allows Pakistan the flexibility to play an additional middle-order batsman.

Start of a golden era? :murali

What would be your line-up for ODIs and T20s?
 
Start of a golden era? :murali

What would be your line-up for ODIs and T20s?

Golden era? No, the black era will continue. Don’t know about overall lineups. There is not enough talent in the country for me to name 11 players in each team that will not get thrashed 9/10 times by the top sides.
 
Golden era? No, the black era will continue. Don’t know about overall lineups. There is not enough talent in the country for me to name 11 players in each team that will not get thrashed 9/10 times by the top sides.

Okay name an XI for each format that can beat top sides 1/10 times and beat the weak times more often than not.
 
This innings is likely to prompt Misbah to open with Rizwan in ODIs and T20Is permanently especially with Fakhar on the bring of getting axed from the squad.

ODIs: Imam & Rizwan
T20Is: Babar & Rizwan

This also allows Pakistan the flexibility to play an additional middle-order batsman.


Hopefully Misbah. Won't b there and Rizwan would not open. At least in. T20s..... ODis though thik hai..but I would like Sharjeel. Imam combo
 
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