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Fortress UAE: Welcome to Pakistan's home!
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Yep. We would struggle against a team that can't even compete against Lanka in their so called fortress
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Yep. We would struggle against a team that can't even compete against Lanka in their so called fortress
Why don't you come to the UAE so the debate is finally settled for once? Why am I asking when I already know the answer.
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Fortress has been blown to smithereens by the rampaging SriLankans. This is a good fightback from SL after the poor India tour 
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Pakistan with their pathetic batting approach are truly turning into minnows.
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Yea. Learn about the concept of time...
Because there's no reason the Indian team should play a series with a country like Pakistan.
There is no debate. Everyone knows that India is a much better team. That's like saying we don't know if India would win in Ireland because India hasn't played a test series there.
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Hopefully India can manage to atleast draw in England next time unlike the customary spankings it has received in past two tours
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Not much of a fortress is it, when even elementary line infantry like Lanka can scale it back to back.
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India have been better than most teams who have won matches in the UAE. If England could push Pakistan with both Misbah and Younis to the limits, NZ can win a Test, Sri Lanka can win a Test, South Africa can win a Test and heck, even WI can win a Test, what makes you think that India would have been rolled over?
Oh yes I forgot. How foolish of me, Waqar "pep guardiola" Younis was our coach, India would have been ripped apart.
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Yeah you got be last part right I guess
After all broken clocks are correct twice in a day...
Btw same India which barely beat Aus 2-1 at home whereas SL had destroyed them 3-0 earlier. Same aus team couldn't even beat Bangladesh lmao
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You don't have to tell me that transitivity doesn't always work in cricket. We have lost to teams in the UAE who will not win a match in India in decades, but obviously that does not mean that we would have had no chance of beating India in the UAE during the era of Misbah and Younis.
However, that is not my point. What I am trying to convey is that it is not a forgone conclusion that we would have bettered India in the UAE, especially when we have been far from dominant in the UAE. We have only played one Asian team in the UAE and they have been extremely competitive, so India would have been very likely to do well in the UAE.
But yes, a series win over India in the UAE during the 2012-2015 period is one of Pakistan's greatest hypothetical triumphs. Too bad we never actually got to see how that result would have panned out.
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Bottomline is we've beaten all three of Australia, Bangladesh and Lanka. The latter two home and away. The last one a full Test + ODI + T20 series whitewash. Take that!
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No need to panic yet! One last battle for the defense of the fortress, for the honor of those who helped build it, is still going on.
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Pakistan can still escape with 1-1. Just need another 70 runs from these two.
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It depends on when India would have toured. If it was in 2011-12 which was their transitory period, we would have won easily.
But since 2013, they have been unbeatable in SC conditions. Would have smashed us, no doubt.
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Fortress has been nuked by Lanka. Whitewash!
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"Fortress" demolished 
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This SL team of all teams.
Mathews didn't play either...
Mathews didn't play either...
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Shameful performance
Well played Sri Lanka
Well played Sri Lanka
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A fair post . We were garbage between 2011-2013.
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All good things come to an end.
Was fun while it lasted.
As Misbah and Younis go down, so does the fortress.
But Misbah's men still failed to win in Aus., and SA.
Hope Sarfraz helps turns Pakistan into a good away team in the new era.
Was fun while it lasted.
As Misbah and Younis go down, so does the fortress.
But Misbah's men still failed to win in Aus., and SA.
Hope Sarfraz helps turns Pakistan into a good away team in the new era.
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The fortress has been breached.
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Sharamful defeat for Pakistan 
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Just wanted to put this screenshot out there. Where is [MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION]? I admit I was wrong when I said 2 years. It happened in the very first series after Misbah.
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[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] let SL leave with their dignity 
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Lol it will b a hundred years before we win a series in Australia
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We dont come because we dont have bilateral sporting ties anymore.
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Is this the first series without Misbah and YK?
First test series, yep. Let's not forget that when Misbah took over in 2010, Pakistan hadn't won a test series for four years or something nuts like that. Hopefully we won't wait that long for our next series win but never say never when it comes to Pakistan.
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At least one match would be enough.
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India barely beat Aussies? Really?
India lost the 1st test.Won the second.Aus managed to eek out a draw in the 3rd test on the back off a blockathon and then won the 4th test comprehensively.
Infact the 2 tests India won, the margin of victory was quite good.
The Aussie team that lost to SL was very different from the one that won a test in India. As many as 4 players from the playing 11 did not play in India ( Voges, Burns, Khwaja, Nevil)
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lol the fortress is destroyed 
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Yep. People think it's the same OZ side that toured SL.
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The knights have been put back to sleep
Coping mechanism given the intense rivalry vs India and the fact that they went #1 less than a year ago. BTW its actually 5 players ... JM Holland did not play a single test in India.
Pakistan's unbeaten Test home record broken by Sri Lanka twice (2007-2017) (1980-1995)
Irony or we can call it Deja Vu. This is the 2nd Time in recent history that Sri Lanka has shattered Pakistan's lengthy unbeaten Home Test Records.
First incident happened when lackluster Pakistan was beaten by Sri Lanka on Home Turf under Ramiz Raja in 1995. That was Pakistan's first Test series loss in almost 15 years. Remarkably Pakistan remained unbeaten on home soil from 1980-1995.
This is the second incident where Sri lanka has yet again defeated Pakistan on Home Turf. From 2007 on wards Pakistan has been largely unbeaten on any "HOME Designated" series.
That defeat in 1995 triggered further Home series defeats on home soil (1997 against SA, 1998 against Zimbabwe, 1998 against Australia and 2004 against India and finally SA again in 2007).
Lets see what will be the aftermaths of this home series defeat. However i do not think so Pakistan will ever produce 10-15 year unbeaten run again in Test cricket because we do not have mature Test cricketers who read the history of the game and understand it. In 1995 there was no Miandad or Imran Khan or Mudassar Nazar similarly in 2017 there is no Misbah or Younis Khan or Hafeez.
From today onwards I will quit following Test Cricket because this is the end of an era. And i do not see any bright future. And lets relive the memories of Misbah ul Haq who gave us Test series win in West Indies before retirement.
Irony or we can call it Deja Vu. This is the 2nd Time in recent history that Sri Lanka has shattered Pakistan's lengthy unbeaten Home Test Records.
First incident happened when lackluster Pakistan was beaten by Sri Lanka on Home Turf under Ramiz Raja in 1995. That was Pakistan's first Test series loss in almost 15 years. Remarkably Pakistan remained unbeaten on home soil from 1980-1995.
This is the second incident where Sri lanka has yet again defeated Pakistan on Home Turf. From 2007 on wards Pakistan has been largely unbeaten on any "HOME Designated" series.
That defeat in 1995 triggered further Home series defeats on home soil (1997 against SA, 1998 against Zimbabwe, 1998 against Australia and 2004 against India and finally SA again in 2007).
Lets see what will be the aftermaths of this home series defeat. However i do not think so Pakistan will ever produce 10-15 year unbeaten run again in Test cricket because we do not have mature Test cricketers who read the history of the game and understand it. In 1995 there was no Miandad or Imran Khan or Mudassar Nazar similarly in 2017 there is no Misbah or Younis Khan or Hafeez.
From today onwards I will quit following Test Cricket because this is the end of an era. And i do not see any bright future. And lets relive the memories of Misbah ul Haq who gave us Test series win in West Indies before retirement.
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One Asian team played 8 tests in UAE. Pakistan has won 2 tests and lost 3 against SL in these 8. Even ignoring the last whitewash in UAE, Pakistan managed to win only 2 tests out of 6 in UAE against SL.
Since, Indians won't play, it will be interesting to see BD playing in UAE for 3 tests.
Since, Indians won't play, it will be interesting to see BD playing in UAE for 3 tests.
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The streak was glorious while it lasted, being unbeaten at home for such a long time was never easy and people always did their best to belittle Pakistan's accomplishments but the fact is before Misbah took over it had been a while since Pak had won a Test series but then they'd go onto play as well as they possibly could have in those conditions which people took for granted. The current lot shouldn't be compared to Misbah's Pakistan which won the mace for the 1st time, it will be a while before they figure out the formulae to win again but I hope they learn from these defeats and adapt quickly rather then being stubborn; insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results 
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[MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION]The streak was glorious while it lasted, being unbeaten at home for such a long time was never easy and people always did their best to belittle Pakistan's accomplishments but the fact is before Misbah took over it had been a while since Pak had won a Test series but then they'd go onto play as well as they possibly could have in those conditions which people took for granted. The current lot shouldn't be compared to Misbah's Pakistan which won the mace for the 1st time, it will be a while before they figure out the formulae to win again but I hope they learn from these defeats and adapt quickly rather then being stubborn; insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results
When Misbah took over it had been four years without a test series win.
Misbah was the fourth man to captain Pakistan in 2010 after Yousuf got sacked and given a life ban, Afridi retired halfway through a test match and Salman Butt went to jail.
Yousuf and Younis had life bans.
Butt, Amir and Asif were headed to prison.
Four days before Misbah's first test as captain, Zulqarnain Haider went AWOL from the team hotel and sought asylum in London citing death threats from fixers.
We should totally be ashamed of our record in the UAE though guys
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When Misbah took over it had been four years without a test series win.
Misbah was the fourth man to captain Pakistan in 2010 after Yousuf got sacked and given a life ban, Afridi retired halfway through a test match and Salman Butt went to jail.
Yousuf and Younis had life bans.
Butt, Amir and Asif were headed to prison.
Four days before Misbah's first test as captain, Zulqarnain Haider went AWOL from the team hotel and sought asylum in London citing death threats from fixers.
We should totally be ashamed of our record in the UAE though guys
Wow am shocked it was 4 years ! It had been a while as I recall but didn't think it was that long lol
These people are very ungrateful when you look at all we had to endure and despite that achieved so much, it's something to be proud off but you always get haters when you're doing well
And people can come up with whatever excuse they like but it is unacceptable the recent series defeat.
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Fortress breached. It was a good run.
When Misbah took over it had been four years without a test series win.
Misbah was the fourth man to captain Pakistan in 2010 after Yousuf got sacked and given a life ban, Afridi retired halfway through a test match and Salman Butt went to jail.
Yousuf and Younis had life bans.
Butt, Amir and Asif were headed to prison.
Four days before Misbah's first test as captain, Zulqarnain Haider went AWOL from the team hotel and sought asylum in London citing death threats from fixers.
We should totally be ashamed of our record in the UAE though guys
its a good record and not a record to boast off
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This is the best thing that could have happened for the Pakistan Test Team going forward. For way too long have passengers rode along because we got away spinning teams out of the UAE. Now is the time for the axe to be dropped. The players have seven months to prepare for the next tour. There is no major series coming up and only PSL 3 to occupy some of the players. All the energy and time should be devoted to enabling a healthy, fit, aggressive, sound team to tour England where the ball will be swinging bonkers.
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Lanka have also beaten Pakistan in Pakistan as many as three times, back when Pakistan had a stronger team and proper home conditions to exploit.
If you're losing to Lanka that often wherever, you have a problem. The #7 ranking is well and truly justified.
If you're losing to Lanka that often wherever, you have a problem. The #7 ranking is well and truly justified.
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India have lost two series in India to Pakistan with the Fab Five and with Gavaskar, Kapil. You're point has no meaning. England beat Australia after 18 years in 2005. They lost to Pakistan a few months later. Does that mean Pakistan was better than that Australian team? NO.
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India never lost at home to Pakistan in the 2000's. They lost one series in 1987.*
India lost one series and that was in 1987
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Oh bhai kidhar se aye ho? Pakistan has won just 1 series in India, Pakistan never won a series in India against the fab five
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I saw my mistake and corrected it. Look above bhai.
The answer is not what you claim it to be. The simple fact is that the ideology of the current government prevents it from allowing bilaterals to be played as long as there are Indians dying in a low-intensity undeclared war.
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Yet they will play with Pakistan in ICC tournaments?
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Twice in Pakistan and now once in UAE.
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Very painful keeping in fact how brittle are SL on paper and we were close in both games shameful
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Why hold ICC tournament hostage to a bilateral issue?Why gift Pakistan a walk over?
Either you have principles, or you don't.
There are plenty of Arab athletes who have forfeited matches against Israeli opponents.
The fact that BCCI is happy to face Pakistan in international tournaments is proof that it's just a way to get cheap political points, not because they actually give a damn about any war. Don't let the wool be pulled over your eyes.
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We are not Arabs.We dont want to be Arabs either and we are not in awe of them.India has never held a ICC or Asia cup hostage to its own bilateral issues because then it affects others as well.Then it becomes a multilateral issue.
I dont know about you but plenty of posters are rattled to lose a series againist whom performing didnot count a few weeks back.
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since times immemorial sport has been used as a political tool
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OK, keep on drinking that kool-aid then.
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India isnt going to act as Pakistan expects them to.
I'm talking about you, not India...You know what forget it. Not worth it.
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I am also a miniscule part of India. Indians make india you see.
That is indeed true!
Why the line is drawn where it is (yes to ICC, no to bilaterals) is something the Indian government has chosen. I do not know if it is logical, but the line has to be drawn somewhere.
Thank you for proving my point.
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Lol, so you can pick and choose when Indian lives are taken into account? When does an ICC tournament yield greater importance to Indians than the lives of their fellow men? Either take a stand or stand down.
Lol, so you can pick and choose when Indian lives are taken into account? When does an ICC tournament yield greater importance to Indians than the lives of their fellow men? Either take a stand or stand down.
We can decide as we see fit. There is no rule set in stone that u have to follow one rule for everything
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If Australia wins the toss and bat first at Sheikh Zayed, will the fortress be able to sustain the attack? I thought the Lankan whitewash was a one off but series has suddenly become exciting
I thought the Lankan whitewash was a one off but series has suddenly become exciting Mute Witness
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The appreciation of Misbah and Younis will only grow over time. 7 years unbeaten in the UAE takes some doing. Misbah's record of most test wins for Pakistan doesn't seem like it will be challenged anytime soon. And he will always get bonus points for taking over the team at it's lowest ebb. This is a far more settled unit compared to what Misbah took over.
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It's funny. If you look at the start of this thread you will see multiple posts about how UAE is the best place to play test cricket and how the pitches are excellent test wickets with something in it for everybody.
As soon as Pakistan started losing in UAE, the same pitches became the worst pitches in the world that doesn't help batsmen or bowlers and then we are told about how poor Amir's career has been wasted by bowling in the UAE.
As soon as Pakistan started losing in UAE, the same pitches became the worst pitches in the world that doesn't help batsmen or bowlers and then we are told about how poor Amir's career has been wasted by bowling in the UAE.
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No longer the fortresses
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Ok first a disclaimer - Lord knows what I was thinking when I made this thread!
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What a transformation from fortress to a fragile igloo, that can't stand the heat .. what a steep fall this has been for team Pakistan!
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In recent years, the status of UAE as fortress seems to depend upon the toss more than anything else. Tim paine can consider himself unfortunate that he lost the toss at Abu Dhabi. Could have easily been 1-0 the other way.
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It's funny how Sarfraz's captaincy directly correlates with our bad performance in the UAE. Series after series there seems to be a coach/captaincy blunder by not picking a SLA or not even picking another spinner. Or by picking players for the wrong format or opening with middle order batsman. I think nowadays you need to at least win at home because every other team is a home track bully.
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It was like Misbah's fortress more than Pakistans. Just isn't working for Sarfaraz anymore.
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