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ok I admit, the thought of a fully-fit and in-form Mitchell Starc against Pakistan on Australian wickets is a scary thought. The bouncer and yorker combination from Starc could prove to be a major handful for the Pakistani batsmen?

How will we do against Starc in Australia?
 
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ok I admit, the thought of a fully-fit and in-form Mitchell Starc against Pakistan on Australian wickets is a scary thought. The bouncer and yorker combination from Starc could prove to be a major handful for the Pakistani batsmen?

How will we do against Starc in Australia?

I can think Azhar might struggle against Starc's 140kph+ yorkers. He got out LBW several times in England....
 
What a lovely fast bowler. The most exciting fast bowler since a young Amir; loved this guy from the very first T20 WC he played in. Yup he will get a bag of wickets, but I think this Proteas tour has a high chance of getting him injured. The best thing that can happen for Pakistan is that Saffers win one of the first two tests, pressuring OZ selectors to keep playing Starc.

Nonetheless, even a full fit Starc will be combated by our own pace attack. Yes, Amir/Wahab/Rahat aren't setting the world on fire... but if a pitch has pace and bounce that Starc & co can utilize, so can our bowlers do the same! Fight fire with fire!
 
World Class bowler. Pakistan will be lucky to get anything substantial on the board if he's match fit and firing.
 
Best pacer in the world by quite some distance, I think he will make a meal out of Shafiq, given his troubles with incoming deliveries.

In general all of our right-handed batsmen will struggle but I feel Shafiq will struggle the most.
 
He will bring our batsmen to their knees. Quite literally!!

The best chance right now is his poor fitness record and him not lasting out a 6 test summer
 
Frightening bowler. When in full flow he's literally unstoppable. His yorker is the delivery to watch out for.
 
Frightening bowler. When in full flow he's literally unstoppable. His yorker is the delivery to watch out for.

His indipper will make mincemeat of Shafiq, Younis and Sarfaraz
 
What a lovely fast bowler. The most exciting fast bowler since a young Amir; loved this guy from the very first T20 WC he played in. Yup he will get a bag of wickets, but I think this Proteas tour has a high chance of getting him injured. The best thing that can happen for Pakistan is that Saffers win one of the first two tests, pressuring OZ selectors to keep playing Starc.

Nonetheless, even a full fit Starc will be combated by our own pace attack. Yes, Amir/Wahab/Rahat aren't setting the world on fire... but if a pitch has pace and bounce that Starc & co can utilize, so can our bowlers do the same! Fight fire with fire!

problem is.
Aussie batsmen are equipped to face or bowlers

im a bit doubtful of our capability vs Hazelwood and Starc if they are in form
 
His indipper will make mincemeat of Shafiq, Younis and Sarfaraz

Azhar seems our only hope but even he will be vulnerable to short bowling and balls swinging in.

Agree with your comment as well. The pink ball test may not be a good sight for our batters.
 
Azhar seems our only hope but even he will be vulnerable to short bowling and balls swinging in.

Agree with your comment as well. The pink ball test may not be a good sight for our batters.

i have high hopes of Sami and if azhar can also do well it would be a dream scenario as it will alow the middle order some respite and ease.

otherwise they will go back to the pavillion ba-jamaat
 
If they were to win first two matches against SA, they should consider resting him.
 
i have high hopes of Sami and if azhar can also do well it would be a dream scenario as it will alow the middle order some respite and ease.

otherwise they will go back to the pavillion ba-jamaat


Hopefully sami doesn't go into a shell though.

If these Azhar and Sami can see of 15-20 overs I'll back Younis and Misbah to get us to a decent score. Don't want them in too early to face the new ball.

Well get a couple of low scores no doubt.
 
A lot of wrist slitting in this thread.

Sharjeel Khan will make a meal out of Starc. Gonna cart him around for fun.

Yes, others like Shafiq and Azhar might struggle...but if they can see off his initial spell they have a chance
 
A lot of wrist slitting in this thread.

Sharjeel Khan will make a meal out of Starc. Gonna cart him around for fun.

Yes, others like Shafiq and Azhar might struggle...but if they can see off his initial spell they have a chance


If Azhar and Asad might struggle what hope is there for Sharjeel? Sharjeel hasn't shown any sign of surviving for a sustained period even in LO cricket and here you are saying he will "make a meal* out of one of the most feared bowlers walking the face of this earth in his home conditions.:facepalm:

Who said Sami is getting dropped anyway?
 
ok I admit, the thought of a fully-fit and in-form Mitchell Starc against Pakistan on Australian wickets is a scary thought. The bouncer and yorker combination from Starc could prove to be a major handful for the Pakistani batsmen?

How will we do against Starc in Australia?

Same guy Misbah scored the fastest test 100 against? :P
 
What a bowler he is, we were lucky that he wasn't peaking in tests when he played in the UAE. We saw how lethal he was even in Sri Lanka. Will be very scary seeing our batsmen up against him. He's been bowling deadly fast, consistently at 145kph. Scary Stuff! He will get tons of wickets if he is in form but lets hope we can capitalize on the other bowlers like we did in England(Woakes).
 
We should be fine as long as we don't get intimidated. Though yes some of our batsmen are vulnerable to bowlers like Starc but again, play out the start calmly and then carry your team forward..
 
Im more worried about warner. Our bowling attack has never gone at 5 an over for a session or 2.
 
What a bowler he is, we were lucky that he wasn't peaking in tests when he played in the UAE. We saw how lethal he was even in Sri Lanka. Will be very scary seeing our batsmen up against him. He's been bowling deadly fast, consistently at 145kph. Scary Stuff! He will get tons of wickets if he is in form but lets hope we can capitalize on the other bowlers like we did in England(Woakes).

He did play and misbah scored the fastest hundred!!
 
What a bowler he is, we were lucky that he wasn't peaking in tests when he played in the UAE. We saw how lethal he was even in Sri Lanka. Will be very scary seeing our batsmen up against him. He's been bowling deadly fast, consistently at 145kph. Scary Stuff! He will get tons of wickets if he is in form but lets hope we can capitalize on the other bowlers like we did in England(Woakes).

SL and UAE are vastly different conditions.
 
Im glad he is fit. Time to seperate boys from the men from Pak batting line up. You want to be world class batsman, you need to perform vs Australia agaisnt their best, otherwise your averge and centuries on flat tracks vs weaker opposition will get you no respect. I would be surprised if Azhar is not exposed, along with Aslam and Shafiq.I predict they will be mediocre in Aust. Azam has a lot to prove and no place and stage better than a world class ozzy bowler on bouncy tracks. Azam can announce himself as the next best thing. Yes i know he is young, but this will show tesy his temperment, courage, and talent. I do see Pak batting fail as a unit.
 
A fully fit and firing Starc come the Pakistan series would be some devastation and demolition to watch.
 
When time comes we will see nothing to worry about lots people said wen touring England and we make it 2-2 in sha Allah we will win test series this time around
 
Last time India toured Aus, Starc was very raw and our batsmen escaped his fury. But we had to also contend with Mitch Johnson and Ryan Harris.

Aus will face a matured Starc an underrated Hazlewood and a trundler in Siddle. Not easy.

Aus should also play Zampa. Pak struggle against Leggies.
 
After what Bishoo did, I'd be worried about Lyon as well.

No Moeen Ali this time to tee off against.

Guess it has to be Mitchell Marsh. But even he will cause problems I think, we love to make luloo bowlers look like ATGs. No Moeen to hide behind is a huge blow.
 
Last time India toured Aus, Starc was very raw and our batsmen escaped his fury. But we had to also contend with Mitch Johnson and Ryan Harris.

Aus will face a matured Starc an underrated Hazlewood and a trundler in Siddle. Not easy.

Aus should also play Zampa. Pak struggle against Leggies.

Johnson was pretty much done by then.

Aus's best attack I think would have Starc, Pattinson, Cummins and Hazlewood in there. Would be a nightmare attack.

But they have made a pact to never be fit all at once to give teams a chance.
 
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I am bookmarking my own post so once we tour down under this summer we can see whether the following blokes had correctly predicted, like how some predicted before the English tour, or would it be the same story of how certain individuals couldn't watch the games due to 'exams' and were nowhere to be seen.

We might have lost a test to WI at Sharjah but that doesn't necessarily mean that we have all of a sudden become jobbers at playing test cricket. The Sharjah loss was due to us being absolutely careless and complacent and trust me when I say this if we bring our A game to Australia it won't be any easy wins for the Aussies.

This Sharjah loss is a blessing in disguise, while going by how the lads function in the test teams, I am assuming this was a necessary kick needed to pull their socks up and I won't be surprised if we fight tooth and nail this summer and come out on top Inshallah.
 
Well to be honest Pakistan bowlers haven't faced a quality left armer in a while..

Which was where I think alot of them will struggle, not only Starc but if Trent Boult is playing he will a handful against us in NZ conditions
 
ok I admit, the thought of a fully-fit and in-form Mitchell Starc against Pakistan on Australian wickets is a scary thought. The bouncer and yorker combination from Starc could prove to be a major handful for the Pakistani batsmen?

How will we do against Starc in Australia?

We will struggle mightily against Australia IMO.

3-0 should be on the cards.

Hazlewood and Cummins will be just as deadly as Starc.
 
Can't wait for Younis to be exposed.

Can't believe we have fans who want our players to fail before the tour even has begun... :facepalm:

Especially a player who is on the verge of retirining anyway.
 
Definitely going to be the most difficult bowler in this duel tour. I think, PAK needs to practice lot on "leaving the ball on length". In AUS wickets, Starc has to to bowl fuller, otherwise most of his good length staff will go over the bails.

I think, Azhar can manage it, but not sure about Sami - his last dismissal was scary. If a Test opener hooks with eyes closed against Holder on that Sharjah wicket ...... you know. But, it's long 7 weeks - not sure Starc will remain healthy for entire series.
 
Best pacer going around. Woke up early to watch him bowl and he picked a wicket in the very first over y'day :D

Not just Pak, any team will struggle in AUS facing him. If AUS can field Cummins, Pattinson, Starc and Hazlewood in a test it would be fun :yk
 
Johnson was pretty much done by then.

Aus's best attack I think would have Starc, Pattinson, Cummins and Hazlewood in there. Would be a nightmare attack.

But they have made a pact to never be fit all at once to give teams a chance.

Johnson was only 33 then. He was still hitting mid 140's regularly. He was not as lethal as he was in the Ashes series. Still pretty good and gave some scares to Indian batsmen.
 
Can't believe we have fans who want our players to fail before the tour even has begun... :facepalm:

Especially a player who is on the verge of retirining anyway.

And especially such a key player, who has won us so many games whenever he has performed.
 
If Azhar and Asad might struggle what hope is there for Sharjeel? Sharjeel hasn't shown any sign of surviving for a sustained period even in LO cricket and here you are saying he will "make a meal* out of one of the most feared bowlers walking the face of this earth in his home conditions.:facepalm:

Who said Sami is getting dropped anyway?

Yeeep. Sharjeel is a vastly different batsman who will enjoy Starc's pace. ;)

Sami can be handy too.
 
Yeeep. Sharjeel is a vastly different batsman who will enjoy Starc's pace. ;)

Sami can be handy too.

Lol, you say that like Starc is some spray gun. Even Sharjeel's grandma will know to bowl the ball outside off to have a chance at getting her pota out, so someone with as much versatility as Starc will be ready.

Exaggerated example but Sharjeel more than has his work cut out for him. I think he is the most hardworking batsman atm in our set-up, or the one most willing to improve, but early days for him in internationals still esp in the 50 over and test formats.

After seeing Quinton go about his job yesterday I hope Sharjeel Insh'Allah does just as well, even better.

Weird how much can change in just about a year.. Shehzad nowhere to be seen and Sharjeel (potentially) being an all 3 format package at this point in time.

Isliye kehte hain, bara bol mat bolo :najam
 
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ok I admit, the thought of a fully-fit and in-form Mitchell Starc against Pakistan on Australian wickets is a scary thought. The bouncer and yorker combination from Starc could prove to be a major handful for the Pakistani batsmen?

How will we do against Starc in Australia?

That's why I'd take Irfan as well as Wahab and Rahat and Amir to Australia. They are the ideal four bowlers to use in the nets against your own batsmen.
 
Saw Starc bowl yesterday and felt that he did not fully hit his straps. An on-song Starc would be lethal against any batsman.
 
Except he's not fully fit.

His wound has not fully healed, and his exertions will probably reopen it.
 
You think the medical staff aren't aware of that?

Of course.

I think they have taken a calculated risk, hoping to get 2-0 up and then give him a break of six weeks until the SCG Test or even beyond.
 
How many times have we worried about an ace bowler of a team, only to capitulate to a lulloo bowler instead ?? Worry more about Mitchell Marsh instead.
 
Lol whats with the overrating of Sharjeel

some of our fans seriously...

you would think its sharjeel hayden not sharjeel khan going by the thread
 
Best pacer in the world by quite some distance, I think he will make a meal out of Shafiq, given his troubles with incoming deliveries.

In general all of our right-handed batsmen will struggle but I feel Shafiq will struggle the most.

Real problem with Shafiq is seaming deliveries, he used to get out with second new ball, as soon as ball seam more than normal, either at slip of LBW. He is most vulnerable in his first 20-30 deliveries, but at no 3, you cannot be so easy to get out in those 20-30 deliveries, I think Babar or Azhar are better no 3 choices, he will be good for 4/5, even in these next 5 tests we may see him hop back to no 6, with Babar/Azhar at 3, depending upon Azhar's success at opening. If Azhar and Shafiq both fail, they will be forced to make a change...

I still think Sharjeel can be good for test opener in AUS, where only worry is bounce, you really need to play horizontal bat shorts (cut and pull) well, he can give you 40 ball 40 maybe more if he sticks around. Sami should be fine(by fine means can handle new ball better than anybody else we have), as he plays late and most of his scores are on the both sides of wicket...

Strac and Hazelwood are deadly combination for team like us, who are worse at playing on bouncy wickets. One throws 150 clicks yorkers, that swings late, other has McGrath like good length, they are going to be handful for us :(

There is big difference in Aus and Eng for team like us. Even our legends have never performed in AUS, we always had problem with bounce, top that with the fact we never play horizontal bat short, playing straight is not going to work in AUS. Modern Indian batsmen have done much better, for them main reason is playing too much in Aus, if we play every year in AUS(one or test), we will improve our batting there too, they will start playing cut and pull....
 
problem is.
Aussie batsmen are equipped to face or bowlers

im a bit doubtful of our capability vs Hazelwood and Starc if they are in form

I would've replied to this if I logged in earlier, but now that you've seen Day 2, you can see for yourself what good fast bowling can do to any team on pitches like these. I am PSYCHED about watching Amir, Wahab and Rahat running in to decimate the Australian batting line-up! So much of our success will depend on these 3 just turning it up a notch. I want Rahat to be our most disciplined bowler by then, who can bowl spells in the right channels, where as Amir needs to focus on getting his swing back. Wahab will be Wahab.. always inconsistent but able to muster up one good spell every once in a while. The ingredients are there... we just need to mix them up and hope they pack a punch!
 
I know a lot of people might think that my above post is wishful at best, but the truth is that our pacers don't have to turn into legends like Wasim. They just have to have one good series together. That's not impossible! If they prepare their bodies fitness-wise and the coaches help them prepare for the pitches they are about to bowl on, they can be a handful. They just need to click a few times in some sessions to win the game. I'm confident that this batting line-up will do well (which for them includes collapsing at least twice). Even with the collapses factored in, we need to win two tests to win the series. Though Misbah is a great test player, I will even forgive him for Mohali if he can pull of a test series win in Aus. In fact, I will change my avatar to him and buy a poster of Misbah and paste it on my wall :))) (I always make fun of him in my friend/family circle cuz of his LOI performances).
 
SL and UAE are vastly different conditions.

I never intended to compare the two, I was saying that we were lucky how he wasn't as good in tests 2 years ago when he faced us, and how lethal he is now that he was getting tons of wickets on Sri Lankan pitches, usually ruled by spinners.
 
Getting spanked on his home ground, Starc is good but clearly showing signs of an average bowler.
 
Hmm our 40 plus averaging top 7 vs fully fit mitchell starc , you would think that would be a yummy contest but we all know whats gonna happen.
 
Well Elgar and Duminy both managed centuries against a Starc led attack - our top 6/7 I'd say are better batsmen than those two...
 
Like I said, we know how to overhype opposition and underrated our own team.

Chill.

Starc or Australia are not a problem for our current Test team.
 
Starc lacks the patience, look at him vs SA - he picked up early wickets and then went back to his wayward line and length - if Starc pulls his head in and focuses on that just outside off stump line with his killer yorker he will do wonders.. wouldn't be surprised if Cummins earns himself a call up, returned from Injury and bowled well in Matador Cup for NSW.

The_Odd_One has hit the nail on the head, Hazlewood is the one to look out for.. hit's the same line and length consistently making a batsman play... Hazlewood will be our Woakes for this series.
 
Getting spanked on his home ground, Starc is good but clearly showing signs of an average bowler.
No average bowler destroys oppositions on flat wickets.

He's simply lacking match fitness and rhythm.
 
Hazlewood is a bigger threat due to being more consistent.

Relatively speaking: Starc = Brett Lee & Hazlewood = McGrath
 
It's a disgrace comparing an over-rated Lee to a talent as exceptional as Starc.

Lee was an ATG in ODIs just like Starc.

Lee never achieved ATG status in Tests, and I doubt Starc will either.
 
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Look at how Starc bowled in Sri Lanka. He will be a fine test bowler if he stays fit.

I don't think he has yet achieved the consistency to be considered as good a Test bowler as Hazlewood or Rabada.
He's definitely in the top 10 in Tests, but I don't feel he's ATG Test material. Well on course to end up becoming the ODI GOAT, though. :ms
 
I don't think he has yet achieved the consistency to be considered as good a Test bowler as Hazlewood or Rabada.
He's definitely in the top 10 in Tests, but I don't feel he's ATG Test material. Well on course to end up becoming the ODI GOAT, though. :ms


Still has a time to get there brother dw. Just needs to adjust slightly to bowling a more test match line and length and he will be fine.

In odis will certainly go down as one of crickets greats in that format. He deserves extra credit as well because he's doing it in a era that is favourable for batsmen
 
Still has a time to get there brother dw. Just needs to adjust slightly to bowling a more test match line and length and he will be fine.

In odis will certainly go down as one of crickets greats in that format. He deserves extra credit as well because he's doing it in a era that is favourable for batsmen

I feel he may end up with a Saqlain type of career, i.e. Great ODI bowler who underachieves in Tests due to having too many tricks up his sleeve.

However, he's still young, and I'm not denying he has ATG potential in all formats. Ultimately, it's up to him to build up the consistency in his Test bowling to be hailed as an ATG.
 
I feel he may end up with a Saqlain type of career, i.e. Great ODI bowler who underachieves in Tests due to having too many tricks up his sleeve.

However, he's still young, and I'm not denying he has ATG potential in all formats. Ultimately, it's up to him to build up the consistency in his Test bowling to be hailed as an ATG.


He has bowled some good spells in test, I don't know if you have watched then. It's just that he either keeps bowling to full than gets driven or reverts to short pitch stuff which isn't really his strength regardless of his pace. If he can get the balance between full length and good length he will be fine.

I'll back him to come good any day. I have been his fan since he made his debut for Australia
 
He has bowled some good spells in test, I don't know if you have watched then. It's just that he either keeps bowling to full than gets driven or reverts to short pitch stuff which isn't really his strength regardless of his pace. If he can get the balance between full length and good length he will be fine.

I'll back him to come good any day. I have been his fan since he made his debut for Australia

I know he's already a very good Test bowler, but he has a long way to go if he is to become a Test great. At the moment, among pacers, I rate Hazlewood, Steyn and Rabada ahead of him in Test cricket.
 
Younus Khan will make minced meat of his bowling, am I right, [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. Where's that Samurai YK pic again?
 
He will end Younis Khan's career once and for all with Shafiq at the other end.

Seeing Younis's demise at the hands of Mitchell Starc will awaken a fighting spirit inside Asad. Seeing his sensei fall to a scorching Starc yorker will awaken Shafiq's true potential and he'll unleash an assault on the Aussies with the bat as retribution for Younis.

This will be the rebirth of Shafiq :shafiq
 
Younus Khan will make minced meat of his bowling, am I right, [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]. Where's that Samurai YK pic again?

If he doesn't do a break dance like he did at Lord's, Old Trafford and Edgbaston, he might be in with a chance.
 
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