Game of Thrones [SPOILER ALERT]

[waqar goraya]

Even season 8 episode 1's script has been leaked, but not sure how reliable that is since I doubt the writers would have written that far ahead of the show considering that season 8 is expected to be released in 2019

But the shooting starts later this year. Artists get scripts few weeks prior to shooting. So, there is every possibility of a leak.

Btw, it is good for some individuals who have a weak heart.

 

[waqar goraya]

Who among you has already read the script for 7th episode?

 

[Rayyman]

Is it worth watching?
[MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION] [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION]

I heard it has an excess of sex and violence. Which makes me refrain from watching it.

If it's not too much though, then I might watch it.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Another thing that annoyed me with episode 7

Spoiler

When John and crew initially run from the walkers on the frozen lake the ice broke and they just about made it to the rock. The Walkers tried to follow them but the ice broke. So they waited for it to freeze again. When it supposedly froze again thousands of walkers charged against Snow and crew but this time it did not break! You could see water on the lake just before walkers started to charge again, but still it did not crack again despite much more weight on the ice.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Another thing that annoyed me with episode 7

Spoiler

When John and crew initially run from the walkers on the frozen lake the ice broke and they just about made it to the rock. The Walkers tried to follow them but the ice broke. So they waited for it to freeze again. When it supposedly froze again thousands of walkers charged against Snow and crew but this time it did not break! You could see water on the lake just before walkers started to charge again, but still it did not crack again despite much more weight on the ice.

It's amazing but you have to try your best not to look at things logically anymore. Season 7 has had an unbelievable amount of plot holes but overall it's been terrific. Probably my second favourite after season 4

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

It's amazing but you have to try your best not to look at things logically anymore. Season 7 has had an unbelievable amount of plot holes but overall it's been terrific. Probably my second favourite after season 4

Not to mention that The Hound put a hole in it with 1 blow with the hammer, so the Ice should have cracked as soon as a few hundred walkers stepped on it.

 

[waqar goraya]

Spoiler

There is a possibility of Jon and Dany going all the way with their romance. It is completely unnecessary and if it happens the quality of the writing will go down further ; and just another stunt from the producers. It would be quite shameful that instead of those lively and interesting dialogues/conversations we will be made to see that stupidity which i don't think has any real purpose to the plot. I am not for that

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Spoiler

There is a possibility of Jon and Dany going all the way with their romance. It is completely unnecessary and if it happens the quality of the writing will go down further ; and just another stunt from the producers. It would be quite shameful that instead of those lively and interesting dialogues/conversations we will be made to see that stupidity which i don't think has any real purpose to the plot. I am not for that

Don't read if you don't want spoiler for next episode

Spoiler

I heard its confirmed. They will have action

 

[waqar goraya]

Don't read if you don't want spoiler for next episode

Spoiler

I heard its confirmed. They will have action

Spoiler

Useless , unnecessary and distasteful, With all the loopholes and weak writing this incest was the last thing needed

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Spoiler

Useless , unnecessary and distasteful, With all the loopholes and weak writing this incest was the last thing needed

Spoiler

I hope we get to know why! Maybe they want to test their character.
How much they want to be different than their forefathers who married their sister/brother. I will also be very surprised if both of them survive in the end.

 

[waqar goraya]

Spoiler

I hope we get to know why! Maybe they want to test their character.
How much they want to be different than their forefathers who married their sister/brother. I will also be very surprised if both of them survive in the end.

Spoiler

If both of them survive till the end then it is going to be a surprise itself. With the downfall in writing and interesting characters like Tyrion, Lord Varys being reduced to pawns because of weak dialogues, the show has become everything around Dany, Jon, Bran and NK . And with that their dependence to awe struck and surprise viewers with sudden twists has increased further; so, the show might even kill the both and find another Promised Prince, If they don't give a solid plot reason for that then it would be real shame. I get that it is fantasy but even there you have to calculate things

 

[TM Riddle]

Is it worth watching?

[MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION] [MENTION=139150]aliasad1998[/MENTION]

I heard it has an excess of sex and violence. Which makes me refrain from watching it.

If it's not too much though, then I might watch it.

Give it a shot.

 

[SL_Fan]

Episode 6 didn't do much for me. A lot of things just didn't add up. All in all felt way OTT and out of place. Wrecked what should have been such a poignant turn of events. All action little substance.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Spoiler

Useless , unnecessary and distasteful, With all the loopholes and weak writing this incest was the last thing needed

Spoiler

I'm a 100% sure they will hook up in the books, plenty of foreshadowing to it.

They went through all the storylines with Martin, this is what he wanted

 

[waqar goraya]

Spoiler

I'm a 100% sure they will hook up in the books, plenty of foreshadowing to it.

They went through all the storylines with Martin, this is what he wanted

Spoiler

Well, then it looks like a saga of incest: it starts with incest, revolves around incest and now will end on incest. May be they will bring something positive and justifying in the end but for the moment it sounds bizarre. But then some consider this un-comforting and cringe worthy situation as entertainment.

I think Dani could die way before the end, probably in the middle of 8th season.

BTW, have you also read or followed the leaked script?

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Spoiler

Well, then it looks like a saga of incest: it starts with incest, revolves around incest and now will end on incest. May be they will bring something positive and justifying in the end but for the moment it sounds bizarre. But then some consider this un-comforting and cringe worthy situation as entertainment.

I think Dani could die way before the end, probably in the middle of 8th season.

BTW, have you also read or followed the leaked script?

Spoiler

True it can be seen in that light but its nothing new. If anything the show has done bad job in establishing that Targeryans would often practise incest to keep bloodlines pure, something that has been seen in real world history.



Dany's mom and dad were sister and brother

It is sick though i agree.


I havent read any of the supposed leaks, i avoid such things, all my therioes come from book knowledge mainly

 

[Chrish]

With the foreshadowing of Tyrion - Danny conversation about having a worthy successor, she most likely won't make it till the end.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

With the foreshadowing of Tyrion - Danny conversation about having a worthy successor, she most likely won't make it till the end.

misdirection I feel


Jon will die by the series end

That has been foreshadowed even more. Both Beric and he are here for a purpose

 

[Chrish]

Wouldn't be surprised.. author has a habit of killing off even important characters "just like that"

It's a pity leaked script is real. Kills up the entire hype. I have even read script for season 8 although I am not sure if it's legit or just a fan-fic

Damn these hackers!!

 

[waqar goraya]

Wouldn't be surprised.. author has a habit of killing off even important characters "just like that"

It's a pity leaked script is real. Kills up the entire hype. I have even read script for season 8 although I am not sure if it's legit or just a fan-fic

Damn these hackers!!

I have read only the last episode's script from the same sources who have proven 100 percent true previously. But there is yet no reliable leak of episode 1 of season 8.

 

[waqar goraya]

misdirection I feel


Jon will die by the series end

That has been foreshadowed even more. Both Beric and he are here for a purpose

I think one from Dany and Jon is almost confirmed. Martin's bittersweet ending is not possible with both these characters living. I myself won't be bitter if both of these characters survive.

 

[yasir]

misdirection I feel


Jon will die by the series end

That has been foreshadowed even more. Both Beric and he are here for a purpose

Which makes sense, I don't expect otherwise. His main purpose is to kill the Knight King and end the long night. He is the Azora Hai or Prince who was promised. He was never after Throne or becoming King or leading normal life. He was never a sit down and run the empire kind of a guy.

Dany & Jon are warriors more so than ruler, their juices get flowing when they have a war to fight. Politics and tactics are not their strong suits. Jammie is a solider, hardcore general, he does not play politics or like ruling neither ever had ambition to do so. Arya is an assassin, she is not even a solider, she lives in her own bubble, big picture is not her thing. Who else is left to rule the realm, Tyrion and Sansa?? - They were married before and probably had best shot at occupying the Iron Throne. First they like ruling (not just getting the throne), their skills are not of a warrior more of a bureaucrat and politician and they are also not evil nature...Don't be surprise if they end up getting the throne and rest will die out...Only down side is that they are not the charismatic leaders world look up to, maybe that's what it means by "breaking the wheel", system stronger than personalities...In a way that is essence of democracy, you are more reliant on system than personalities to do the right thing. Checks and balances are buitin the system not depended solely on the morals and actions of individual leaders, distribution and decentralized power structure...

 

[Logical]

Spoiler

True it can be seen in that light but its nothing new. If anything the show has done bad job in establishing that Targeryans would often practise incest to keep bloodlines pure, something that has been seen in real world history.



Dany's mom and dad were sister and brother

It is sick though i agree.


I havent read any of the supposed leaks, i avoid such things, all my therioes come from book knowledge mainly

Are these spoilers for episode 7? Pretty sure there is no leaked episode but i guess yall are talking about the leaked scripts?

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Are these spoilers for episode 7? Pretty sure there is no leaked episode but i guess yall are talking about the leaked scripts?

i know supposed scripts are out there but avoid such things like the plague

The thing is that a lot of things can be accurately gussed.

The books have been out for yours, and time on the show is so constraint that you can easily figure things out what they both add and more importanlty what they leave out.

There are a couple of potenitally big storylines in the books that have been completely shelved for the show, that tells me that those storylines are inconsquencial for the bigger picture.

Hence why i guessed one of the dragons would die, the show isnt going in the Three Heads theroy, there is no young griff, no real explanation of Tyrions past, therefore it was obvious that one dragon was expendable. Drogan wont die , and Rheagal is named after Jon Snows dad

Quite easy to guess Viseryon would bite the dust


Likewise I am sure Jaime will end up killing Cersi or at the very least leave her perhaps with the Lannister army

 

[yasir]

I have read only the last episode's script from the same sources who have proven 100 percent true previously. But there is yet no reliable leak of episode 1 of season 8.

Leak or not there are very few plot tracks left for D&D now.

1. Its very clear that the Great War will be and has to be between Living and Dead, there is no other twist possible...From the very first scene to the last episode, the great war has always been between living and dead, writers cannot change that to something else...Danny could have captured Kings landing in one battle, winning Iron throne is easy...

2. Jon is the most important Character to finish that war, he has been built up for 5/6 seasons for that, there cannot be a major twist in this regard. There will be one on one between him and Knight King at some point in season 8. It does not make sense Jon is killed off randomly or prematurely now, he is the main character, probably the reason for the show...


Why White Walkers became Active again and What they want?

White Walkers and Knight King has being living north of the wall for 4,000 years without much aggression. So why they are active again since the show began??

I think it has to do with Prophecy of Azora Hai, Knight Kings like three eye Raven(Bran) has ability to see the future. He knows about the prophecy and wants to change it. He wants to kill "Azora Hai", because he knows "Azora Hai" will kill him. WWs become active roughly around the same time when Jon was born, maybe he knew that "Azora Hai has born now, he wants to build Army and march towards south to go after him...

In the show we have seen quite a few times one on one interaction between Jon and Knight King, special looks both in Hardhome and last episode between Jon and Knight King, also validate some of this plot line...

Also, its very clear, Knight King is way more powerful than any other WW, even WWs are his slave (in a way), they all do what he commands. Whatever he (Knight Kings) define, is their mission...

Its sort of like Mosa and Pharon story, Pharon knew(via prophecy) one Israelite kid will kill him. He murdered every new born child to prevent that from happening...The life which Mosa leads was enabled by Pharon's action, he would have never end up living in the shadows of Pharon, if Pharon was not obsessed by the Prophecy... Similarly, Jon would not have led the life he has been leading if Knight King was not so aggressive in last few decades...In a way Knight King has made Jon, the Azora Hai, similar to how Pharon made Mosa

 

[Leo23]

what's the deal with long claw opening its eyes when jon emerged out of the water??

 

[Leo23]

dany and jon hooking up is a little cringy and predictable but it would add another dynamic to their relation once they find out that jon is rhaeger's son

it will also show that dragon blood attracts dragon blood

 

[yasir]

dany and jon hooking up is a little cringy and predictable but it would add another dynamic to their relation once they find out that jon is rhaeger's son

it will also show that dragon blood attracts dragon blood

I don't get why PPers are so upset about Jon and Danny's relationship. 70% of Pakistanis marry to first cousin, which is considered incest in many cultures across the world...Ironically, reason for first cousin marriage are similar in real world tribal culture(that's where muslim culture also got their incest culture), it is to protect the tribal unity and keep the wealth within the family

Incest is not major theme of the show, its just something out there, authors did not hide that aspect...Even when they find out, it will be some what acceptable, in season 1, we saw how Danny's brother treated her sister...Although show runners do hint side effects of incest at times, incest was the reason for Jeffrey's sadist personality and Mad Kings mad nature...Sort of what happen with cousin marriages, its not like everybody is going to be a defective piece, but there are issues with DNA mixing in close family, harmful mutations get exaggerated quicker than they would otherwise!!

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION]

Thanks for you earlier posts but can you now explain who the heck the dead managed to find massive iron chains to pull the dragon out of the water? Is there a metal factory up there in the north?

 

[90MPH]

I wouldn't take the plot too seriously.

It's a fantasy fiction at the end of the day mixed in with some political thrills.

If you microscope the show then there are plenty of plot holes. I just see it as a entertaining show and mostly it is.

The only aspect on this is season I would criticise is the breakneck speed it is going. I am not sure why the need to go at such pace unless they are told to do so by HBO so they can finish it by next year. That would be disappointing if that is the case.

 

[yasir]

[MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION]

Thanks for you earlier posts but can you now explain who the heck the dead managed to find massive iron chains to pull the dragon out of the water? Is there a metal factory up there in the north?

This is again a huge hole in the script, I was thinking the same. WWs did not have much of weapons and machinery of their own(except for ice swords and spears), they are relied upon whatever Wildings got. Wilding never had that kind of chains, they never needed one...Knight King's main strength is magical powers, not technology, much like Bran or three eye raven, who was living in a tree for thousands of year, he become a tree because of spending so much time in time travel(which was possible via those trees only)...When you have so much magically power, why would make an effort to learn science and tech...The very reason why Arabs are so lazy, free Oil money does not allow them to develop much else

The other problem in that scene is water; Wights and WWs don't like water, they cannot survive there, otherwise what stopped them from going after Jon in Hardhome and in the lake yesterday??

Also, Danny and Co, should have gone after WWs with Dragon fire, what's the point of focusing too much on Wights...Maybe that is for season 8 battles...

At times D&D has hard time reconciling large canvas they have laid out...Even in fantasy world, there are rules and sequence that must be honored, otherwise randomness reflects poor quality. It is more apparent this season than ever, it is difficult for them to wind it down...Unfortunately, Climax may be of poor quality than expected from such a show...So far GOT has not been able to finish off plot lines/character with same level of quality as they were careful and meticulous in building them up :

 

[shah_1]

[MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION]

Thanks for you earlier posts but can you now explain who the heck the dead managed to find massive iron chains to pull the dragon out of the water? Is there a metal factory up there in the north?

One of the youtuber said they might have got it from Hardhome in season 5 where there is a possibility of ship anchor chains lying there.

 

[yasir]

First Time there was Life in the world of WWs and Wights:

In last episode, it was first time, they had given so much air time to WWs and Wights in a single episode. They showed quite a bit life in the world of un-dead. First time they have shown Wights communicating with other Wights and Walkers via very shrill scream, almost like a language...Then later other Wights tried to get him back from the gang of men, multiple times...Later on they were co-ordinating a complex task of getting a Dragon out of the lake, again they have more life and culture to them than we were made to believe...They are looking more and more like a regular well co-ordinated Army then bunch of brainless zombies

I can imagine, there will be more air time, life and culture depicted on screen in season 8, this seems like the direction of show, demystify the walkers at last. We will get answers to some of the important questions answered like: What Knight King wants, why he is after killing human race and why now?

We may see a conversion between Bran and Knight King through visions...We may see more strategy and moves from Knight King in future, that tell us more about his motives...

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION] [MENTION=130419]shah_1[/MENTION]

Thanks. The chains did look like anchor chains but if this was the case, how did they transport them. None were shown previously.

 

[yasir]

One of the youtuber said they might have got it from Hardhome in season 5 where there is a possibility of ship anchor chains lying there.

Quite a few Wights have to go deep into the lake to anchor these chains around the neck of the Dragon...What stops them from building a navy and going around the wall?? - They could have chased Jon on the same ships in Hardhome?? - Its seems more arbitrary and after thought...Even letting the Jon go is a cop out in many ways...Jammie was let go from the loot Train battle in Ep 4, where as in real world, you will never let go of a general from the other side that easily...Script is not that strong on the edges, too many corners are cut...At times its like Bollywood movie...

 

[waqar goraya]

Leak or not there are very few plot tracks left for D&D now.

1. Its very clear that the Great War will be and has to be between Living and Dead, there is no other twist possible...From the very first scene to the last episode, the great war has always been between living and dead, writers cannot change that to something else...Danny could have captured Kings landing in one battle, winning Iron throne is easy...

2. Jon is the most important Character to finish that war, he has been built up for 5/6 seasons for that, there cannot be a major twist in this regard. There will be one on one between him and Knight King at some point in season 8. It does not make sense Jon is killed off randomly or prematurely now, he is the main character, probably the reason for the show...


Why White Walkers became Active again and What they want?

White Walkers and Knight King has being living north of the wall for 4,000 years without much aggression. So why they are active again since the show began??

I think it has to do with Prophecy of Azora Hai, Knight Kings like three eye Raven(Bran) has ability to see the future. He knows about the prophecy and wants to change it. He wants to kill "Azora Hai", because he knows "Azora Hai" will kill him. WWs become active roughly around the same time when Jon was born, maybe he knew that "Azora Hai has born now, he wants to build Army and march towards south to go after him...

In the show we have seen quite a few times one on one interaction between Jon and Knight King, special looks both in Hardhome and last episode between Jon and Knight King, also validate some of this plot line...

Also, its very clear, Knight King is way more powerful than any other WW, even WWs are his slave (in a way), they all do what he commands. Whatever he (Knight Kings) define, is their mission...

Its sort of like Mosa and Pharon story, Pharon knew(via prophecy) one Israelite kid will kill him. He murdered every new born child to prevent that from happening...The life which Mosa leads was enabled by Pharon's action, he would have never end up living in the shadows of Pharon, if Pharon was not obsessed by the Prophecy... Similarly, Jon would not have led the life he has been leading if Knight King was not so aggressive in last few decades...In a way Knight King has made Jon, the Azora Hai, similar to how Pharon made Mosa

True plot tracks are converging but this season's leak is the script that hackers stole months back from HBO's data base.
So, only two things are left now. Motives/intentions of NK and the army of undead, and how many die from the living side. And in between we will only have a complex/bizarre relationship of Jon and Dany.

 

[coy0607]

I wouldn't take the plot too seriously.

It's a fantasy fiction at the end of the day mixed in with some political thrills.

If you microscope the show then there are plenty of plot holes. I just see it as a entertaining show and mostly it is.

The only aspect on this is season I would criticise is the breakneck speed it is going. I am not sure why the need to go at such pace unless they are told to do so by HBO so they can finish it by next year. That would be disappointing if that is the case.

the show has been a gravy train and a record breaking revenue machine for HBO, i doubt they would want to kill it willingly

to end it next season was probably the show-runners / writers decision. 8 seasons is a good length for a show like this

and I agree, the pace has been crazy, but I don't think they have enough story to take the show at regular pace either. Especially if they want this much action in each episode

 

[waqar goraya]

I don't get why PPers are so upset about Jon and Danny's relationship. 70% of Pakistanis marry to first cousin, which is considered incest in many cultures across the world...Ironically, reason for first cousin marriage are similar in real world tribal culture(that's where muslim culture also got their incest culture), it is to protect the tribal unity and keep the wealth within the family

Incest is not major theme of the show, its just something out there, authors did not hide that aspect...Even when they find out, it will be some what acceptable, in season 1, we saw how Danny's brother treated her sister...Although show runners do hint side effects of incest at times, incest was the reason for Jeffrey's sadist personality and Mad Kings mad nature...Sort of what happen with cousin marriages, its not like everybody is going to be a defective piece, but there are issues with DNA mixing in close family, harmful mutations get exaggerated quicker than they would otherwise!!

Jon and Dany's relationship is considered incest everywhere and that's why many people find it cringe worthy. Simple as that. There is no need to justify it by bringing religion into it when you yourself are not a religious person.
Targarians, Cersei/Jamie and now Jon/Dany , incest is everywhere. The former had a bigger role in the plot and were presented as a bad thing. Lets see how much relevance and significance Jon/Dany relationship has on the outcome. If it is only a stunt to add masala into otherwise finished plot then it is unnecessary.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

[MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION] [MENTION=130419]shah_1[/MENTION]

Thanks. The chains did look like anchor chains but if this was the case, how did they transport them. None were shown previously.

carried them i guess, Viserion could have to be resurrected days or even weeks after Dany left for all we know

We do see the night king get on his horse and ride off straight after the battle

 

[yasir]

I wouldn't take the plot too seriously.

It's a fantasy fiction at the end of the day mixed in with some political thrills.

If you microscope the show then there are plenty of plot holes. I just see it as a entertaining show and mostly it is.

The only aspect on this is season I would criticise is the breakneck speed it is going. I am not sure why the need to go at such pace unless they are told to do so by HBO so they can finish it by next year. That would be disappointing if that is the case.

the show has been a gravy train and a record breaking revenue machine for HBO, i doubt they would want to kill it willingly

to end it next season was probably the show-runners / writers decision. 8 seasons is a good length for a show like this

and I agree, the pace has been crazy, but I don't think they have enough story to take the show at regular pace either. Especially if they want this much action in each episode

In past seasons, they always had brought new characters and hence expanded storylines to take the show to 10 episodes...Now they cannot do that, its hard to dwell on existing characters storyline. Even this season the dragging of Sanas, Arya and Little finger storyline has been annoying as hell...Kill him already, that story has reached dead end long time ago, dragging it is just annoying filler in last few episodes

Imagine they have done that to many other characters, that would be unlike GOT, dragging would have made show unpopular...Season 7 is great, leaks had made is somewhat underwhelmed...Those leaks have hurt HBO a whole lot with every episode. They cannot have that going forward like that...Leaks have taken out mystery of the show...

 

[KingKhanWC]

carried them i guess, Viserion could have to be resurrected days or even weeks after Dany left for all we know

We do see the night king get on his horse and ride off straight after the battle

Possible but seems a Bollywood storyline as said by yasir.

Also what is the distance from the wall to dragonstone? How fast can a raven fly? Seemed a bit too fast for my liking. [MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION]

 

[yasir]

carried them i guess, Viserion could have to be resurrected days or even weeks after Dany left for all we know

We do see the night king get on his horse and ride off straight after the battle

Interesting thing about Viserion is that, he is not Wight Dragon but a White Walker Dragon. This is also the first time, Knight King brought somebody back to life by toughing it rather than by sending wireless signal(raising hands in Hardhome for instance)...So far he has only converted living Crasters baby to WWs by touching them. He could not(or have not) made any dead person WW, Viserion was the first one made WW as a dead living being...What is special about Vision, other than it has blood of Dragon? - Does Blood of Dragon has some special meaning in this realm?

This also means Viserion is going to be a much more powerful Dragon, since its not a Zombie Dragon...Question is can Bran control Viserion or during a battle distract Knight King(by intercepting signals) enough to tilt the balance of the battle...Bran will get lot more powerful by season 8 and he will play a vital role in knowing the secretes and motives of Knight King and even in defeating him...


In this episode they also hinted at connection of WWs to Wights, you kill WWs, Wights die off too...Living Army will focus on killing WWs from here on and will device weapons and strategies to kill Knight King in season 8, they were clear on that verbally as well...

 

[Chrish]

Anyways visuals aside, this was one of the worst episodes of the entire series.. dialogues and interaction between characters seem too artificial and meaningless.

Also don't like the fact Tyrion and Varys characters are reduced to being just a pawn! I haven't liked the direction the season is going from the beginning and it keeps getting worse.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Leak or not there are very few plot tracks left for D&D now.

1. Its very clear that the Great War will be and has to be between Living and Dead, there is no other twist possible...From the very first scene to the last episode, the great war has always been between living and dead, writers cannot change that to something else...Danny could have captured Kings landing in one battle, winning Iron throne is easy...

2. Jon is the most important Character to finish that war, he has been built up for 5/6 seasons for that, there cannot be a major twist in this regard. There will be one on one between him and Knight King at some point in season 8. It does not make sense Jon is killed off randomly or prematurely now, he is the main character, probably the reason for the show...


Why White Walkers became Active again and What they want?

White Walkers and Knight King has being living north of the wall for 4,000 years without much aggression. So why they are active again since the show began??

I think it has to do with Prophecy of Azora Hai, Knight Kings like three eye Raven(Bran) has ability to see the future. He knows about the prophecy and wants to change it. He wants to kill "Azora Hai", because he knows "Azora Hai" will kill him. WWs become active roughly around the same time when Jon was born, maybe he knew that "Azora Hai has born now, he wants to build Army and march towards south to go after him...

In the show we have seen quite a few times one on one interaction between Jon and Knight King, special looks both in Hardhome and last episode between Jon and Knight King, also validate some of this plot line...

Also, its very clear, Knight King is way more powerful than any other WW, even WWs are his slave (in a way), they all do what he commands. Whatever he (Knight Kings) define, is their mission...

Its sort of like Mosa and Pharon story, Pharon knew(via prophecy) one Israelite kid will kill him. He murdered every new born child to prevent that from happening...The life which Mosa leads was enabled by Pharon's action, he would have never end up living in the shadows of Pharon, if Pharon was not obsessed by the Prophecy... Similarly, Jon would not have led the life he has been leading if Knight King was not so aggressive in last few decades...In a way Knight King has made Jon, the Azora Hai, similar to how Pharon made Mosa

IF Knight King knew about Jon being the AZora Hai he would have killed him as he had a few opportunities to end him. Or do you maybe think he don't know who Azora Hai is? So he got a vision that Azora Hai was born, but could not figure out who it is?

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Possible but seems a Bollywood storyline as said by yasir.

Also what is the distance from the wall to dragonstone? How fast can a raven fly? Seemed a bit too fast for my liking. [MENTION=5869]yasir[/MENTION]

Yeah that raven thing was ridiculous

Would have been better storytelling if Bran sent Dany a vision of Jon and Jorah in trouble.

My biggest gripe with this episode is the lack of bran

 

[James]

Do not have any nails left. Bitten them all off after that latest thrilling episode. But also getting slightly annoyed at the shameless plot holes so big that Drogon could fly through them.

 

[Robert]

Interesting thing about Viserion is that, he is not Wight Dragon but a White Walker Dragon. This is also the first time, Knight King brought somebody back to life by toughing it rather than by sending wireless signal(raising hands in Hardhome for instance)...So far he has only converted living Crasters baby to WWs by touching them. He could not(or have not) made any dead person WW, Viserion was the first one made WW as a dead living being...What is special about Vision, other than it has blood of Dragon? - Does Blood of Dragon has some special meaning in this realm?

This also means Viserion is going to be a much more powerful Dragon, since its not a Zombie Dragon...Question is can Bran control Viserion or during a battle distract Knight King(by intercepting signals) enough to tilt the balance of the battle...Bran will get lot more powerful by season 8 and he will play a vital role in knowing the secretes and motives of Knight King and even in defeating him...


In this episode they also hinted at connection of WWs to Wights, you kill WWs, Wights die off too...Living Army will focus on killing WWs from here on and will device weapons and strategies to kill Knight King in season 8, they were clear on that verbally as well...

Viserion was dead though. The Knight King makes living babies into WWs. So Viserion is a wight dragon like the wight bear.

I wonder if he will breathe super-chilled air instead of fire?

I bet he will break The Wall by freeze-thaw....

 

[Robert]

Quite a few Wights have to go deep into the lake to anchor these chains around the neck of the Dragon...What stops them from building a navy and going around the wall??

No wood up there to build ships.

Apparently an iron forge, though......

 

[yasir]

Viserion was dead though. The Knight King makes living babies into WWs. So Viserion is a wight dragon like the wight bear.

I wonder if he will breathe super-chilled air instead of fire?

I bet he will break The Wall by freeze-thaw....

Since Knight King touched him rather than raising him, that's why I believe he is WW rather than Wight. Dragons are magical animal, maybe he can convert a dead one to WW, we may know more about it next season.

Main purpose of ICE dragon is to break the wall, the wall will go down for sure now in last episode. Knight king will ride Vesirion. Question is will he breath ICE or Fire?? - It will be blue for sure

 

[yasir]

Yeah that raven thing was ridiculous

Would have been better storytelling if Bran sent Dany a vision of Jon and Jorah in trouble.

My biggest gripe with this episode is the lack of bran

Bran is missing throughout the season. His role has been underwhelm entire season.

What exactly is his purpose is still not clear, although he is pined as vital by last three eye raven, he waited all his life for him, why?? - Is he connnected to KK? - He is definitely key player for final battle.

His powers are still developing, maybe he will be key weapon in defeating Knight King in battles to come.

If you look at history of the show, they have only budget for two battles. They usually spread out by episode or two. Last episode is generally winding down and setup for next season.

Next season they will have two battles as well, one for sure with Knight King, possibly the climax one other could be side battle involving Cersi and Co. I cannot imagine multiple battles between living and dead, next one will be the decisive. Bran is prep for that last battle ?

I just feel Bran is too vital to be sideline in final show down... At some point living needs to know more about Knight king to defeat him, possibly communicate with him, Bran is going to be the one...

Other possibility is that Bran is going to fly Dragon. It would be cool for him to steel the Ice Dragon from Knight king. Bran beating KK in magic game. So far nobody can match his magic, maybe Bran can, you just cannot defeat him with muscle.

It was interesting to see, KK walked over Dragon fire without a problem, even the fire cooled off as he walked. That makes me belief Dragon fire is not enough to kill him, nor Dragon glass or VS, his magic can only be defeated by magic and Bran is the only one on living side whose magical powers could match KK's magic.

We saw in Hodor episode, how Bran time travel changed past based on future. Is there a similar mind twisting tail waiting in season 8? - there are some crazy possibilities. D&D are not that crazy, only Martin can come up with such stories. Hodor was Matrin's story, D&D mentioned that when Martin reveal Hodor secret to them, they were sad and kind of baffled for some time. Who knows what route they take or Martin takes, Either way magic is going to be important part of climax. It's not just muscle or politics.

 

[yasir]

Anyways visuals aside, this was one of the worst episodes of the entire series.. dialogues and interaction between characters seem too artificial and meaningless.

Also don't like the fact Tyrion and Varys characters are reduced to being just a pawn! I haven't liked the direction the season is going from the beginning and it keeps getting worse.

Tyrion, Varys, Devos play important role in politics. But they are still supporting character, they have less role to play in actual battles as always. Those battles set the stage for next storyline most of the time. Like this last battle tells us where story is going next. Last battle of the season defines the next season in pretty much every season.

In season 8, magic would be key element, that's where Bran and Sam will be more or equally important than political tacticians, like Tyrion and Varys.

 

[Xoib]

My biggest take from this episode is NK has very little interest in Jon Snow or Danereys he had opportunity to kill them both quite easily yet he did not seem interested the whole point for his siege was to pick up a dragon or two if anybody else dies in the process then its just some more numbers for the dead army.If either of them are the prince that was promised who will end the long night then he would be keen to off them at first opportunity yet on the other hand he was very eager to kill Bran when he attacked the cave. In the whole series Night king has shown urgency only twice once when he wanted a dragon second time when he entered the cave otherwise he has been chill as hell.

I hope there is some logic and reason behind and not just a plot armor for Jon and Dany to carry them through he finale of the series.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

My biggest take from this episode is NK has very little interest in Jon Snow or Danereys he had opportunity to kill them both quite easily yet he did not seem interested the whole point for his siege was to pick up a dragon or two if anybody else dies in the process then its just some more numbers for the dead army.If either of them are the prince that was promised who will end the long night then he would be keen to off them at first opportunity yet on the other hand he was very eager to kill Bran when he attacked the cave. In the whole series Night king has shown urgency only twice once when he wanted a dragon second time when he entered the cave otherwise he has been chill as hell.

I hope there is some logic and reason behind and not just a plot armor for Jon and Dany to carry them through he finale of the series.

Jon has the biggest and strongest plot armour, he can get stuck beyond the wall, dragged down underwater by the wights but he still survives, this kind of pathetic fan service has ruined the show a little bit, this feels like a disney movie with jon and danny falling in love and jon surviving everything. This is game of thrones where no character is safe but still jon manages to get back safe from ridiculous situations.

But you got a point about the night king , the night king seems too lenient towards jon, he just simply stares at jon but never goes after him, bran is the real deal.

 

[Xoib]

Jon has the biggest and strongest plot armour, he can get stuck beyond the wall, dragged down underwater by the wights but he still survives, this kind of pathetic fan service has ruined the show a little bit, this feels like a disney movie with jon and danny falling in love and jon surviving everything. This is game of thrones where no character is safe but still jon manages to get back safe from ridiculous situations.

But you got a point about the night king , the night king seems too lenient towards jon, he just simply stares at jon but never goes after him, bran is the real deal.

yeah I know plot armor is strong but even with a strong plot armor they would have shown night king to make an effort to kill Jon but Jon magically surviving if he was the promised prince to end the white walkers however on each occasion the Night continues to ignore him or lets his generals do the work for him while he focuses on other tasks he even ignored Dany while she was in plain sight of his Olympics winning Javelin arm.

 

[JaDed]

Not only has HBO and it's partners botched up,also the hackers and script leaks but even the direction,screenplay is really ruining it,I get that it's supposed to be like climax of a movie but still feels so hurried up,too many plot holes can never be the best thing show at this rate,defn not for rewatch at this rate.

Really hope the dragon at least emits ice!!

 

[ToeCrusher2]

yeah I know plot armor is strong but even with a strong plot armor they would have shown night king to make an effort to kill Jon but Jon magically surviving if he was the promised prince to end the white walkers however on each occasion the Night continues to ignore him or lets his generals do the work for him while he focuses on other tasks he even ignored Dany while she was in plain sight of his Olympics winning Javelin arm.

You are correct, he could have easily killed jon if he wanted to with those ice spears while jon and co were sitting on that rock for more than a day surrounded by the wights waiting for danny, the night king was there to but he had no interest in killing jon, he was waiting for the dragons to come.

 

[yasir]

My biggest take from this episode is NK has very little interest in Jon Snow or Danereys he had opportunity to kill them both quite easily yet he did not seem interested the whole point for his siege was to pick up a dragon or two if anybody else dies in the process then its just some more numbers for the dead army.If either of them are the prince that was promised who will end the long night then he would be keen to off them at first opportunity yet on the other hand he was very eager to kill Bran when he attacked the cave. In the whole series Night king has shown urgency only twice once when he wanted a dragon second time when he entered the cave otherwise he has been chill as hell.

I hope there is some logic and reason behind and not just a plot armor for Jon and Dany to carry them through he finale of the series.

I am not sure if KK was that eager to kill Bran, Bran(Cripple) left the cave with Meera(one girl) only, he had 10K+ wights and quite a few WWs with him at that time, if he was really after killing Bran, he would have send more than just few wights after him, couple of WWs too, if not himself(what he does anyway other than staring at Jon)...From that episode he seems be to interested in killing the tree(old three eye raven) only, rest was don't care, business as usual for him...As a matter of fact, tree and Dragon are the only living beings he has killed himself in seven seasons, he never attempt to kill anybody else...Maybe he does not know as much as we assume...

Plot of KK is confusing, he let 12 guys stay on a ridge for more than a day, he had 100K wights and dozen of WWs, they could not kill off 12 guys, may be he was waiting for Dragon to arrive... Jon and Bran have been saved time and again, show runners have gone out of their way to save them, rest of the main characters never got into trouble too many times...There better be reason for that, if they die prematurely now, than what's the point of those plot holes...They could have given Jon less heroic path, now its predictable (leaks or no leaks) that Jon will survive anything...

Logically/rationally most of it does not make sense. As I said earlier, D&D had hard time winding down the series, they also have less help from Martin after season 6, which is showing up from story plot point of view...

 

[Suleiman]

Since Knight King touched him rather than raising him, that's why I believe he is WW rather than Wight. Dragons are magical animal, maybe he can convert a dead one to WW, we may know more about it next season.

Main purpose of ICE dragon is to break the wall, the wall will go down for sure now in last episode. Knight king will ride Vesirion. Question is will he breath ICE or Fire?? - It will be blue for sure

It's going to be blue fire. Been confirmed. He's the perfect tool to melt down the wall.

 

[waqar goraya]

Spoiler for episode 7.

Spoiler

Those who are mindful of Jon's parentage will be quite intense during this scene

Alan Taylor, who directed the episode, tells Newsweek that the boat scene will propel the romance between Jon and Dany toward “the next step.”

“[When] Jon agrees to subsume his power under hers, to bend the knee, I look at it as basically a political scene,” Taylor explains. “But there’s also so much emotion. You see tears well up in Dany, and she breaks eye contact and breaks holding his hand, because she sees where it’s going. Their performances were just the right level of falling for each other and holding back.

“The story’s obviously not over between them. This is just the beginning of what’s going to happen next between them. It was fun to take them to that next step.”

 

[waqar goraya]

Is there any chance that Jon might not be Rhaegal's son after all? Some fans proposing this theory to make Jon/Dani relation a bit cool.

Anyways, as Ygritte used to say, " You know nothing Jon Snow". The so called King still does not know his parents, then he got stabbed by people working under him, her love died in his arms, caused death of Viserion and now romancing his aunt.

Never thought that Ygritte's words were so deep and foreshadowing. He really does not know nothing.

 

[Xoib]

without book material I do not mind their strategy on focusing on big set pieces to engage viewers however they can still follow this approach without making the viewers look dumb with the plots. for eg. They could have easily gone ahead with the capture of Jamie and Bronn rather then miracly letting them float away .

Jaime and Bronn gets captured Dany wants to burn them Tyrion convinces her that Janie is the only living person Cercei actually cares for so they could use him as a bargaining chip. Jamie and Tyrion has a meeting where Jamie comes up with a plan that if they can convince him of white walkers he will be able to get Cercei see the bigger picture though Jamie himself does not believe them and is only thinking of using this as en escape route from Dany.

Tyrion is conflicted and knows his brother is on borrowed time as Dany can burn him any moment convinces Dany to send Jaimie and Broon on a capture a wight mission.. Both Jamie and Bronn joins the party maybe they can leave out Jorah and gendry with Greyworm away Dany needs a bodyguard type guy close to her so Jorah does that role while Gendry is not needed they can bring him back in the story some other way.

Show some uneasiness between Jaimie/Bronn and the others to build up drama until the polar bear attacks, everybody gets their *** kicked till Jaimie kills him. He earns the respect of the others in the group while Jaimie finally see the threat is real. Since there is no Gendry so need for super sonic ravens let Dany get a message from Bran who has seen stuff in his visions that Jon & Co are in trouble and she needs to go there with her dragons.

All this would have made so much better story telling without changing much with the action sequences.

 

[Xoib]

Is there any chance that Jon might not be Rhaegal's son after all? Some fans proposing this theory to make Jon/Dani relation a bit cool.

Anyways, as Ygritte used to say, " You know nothing Jon Snow". The so called King still does not know his parents, then he got stabbed by people working under him, her love died in his arms, caused death of Viserion and now romancing his aunt.

Never thought that Ygritte's words were so deep and foreshadowing. He really does not know nothing.

no this show does not do complexities any more Jon being a Targeriyan is telegraphed since last season expect them to go with it.

 

[bones]

Jon Snow is perhaps the most dull character in the history of fiction. The guy playing him is a terrible actor, a 12 yr old could do better.

As for the dragon queen, her development and her approach thoughout the show has been inconsistent. She fluctuates between merciful and compassionate and then ruthless and unforgiving.

If I were a betting man this is how next season will go. Ice dragon kills small dragon, but then later big dragon will kill ice dragon. Jon will kill the night king, but there will be some scenes involving night king and Jon's raven brother. It will all culminate in a big battle, but dragon lady and Sercy will both be killed during the season.

Personally I would like to see dwarf win the Iron Throne, but unlikely to happen.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Anybody read the bran is the night king theory? Although not very convincing to me but I would be thrilled if it comes out to be true, I don't want the predictable ending of jon killing the mindless night king, marrying dany, having kids and living happily ever after. George r.r martin said it would be a bitter sweet ending so I am 99% sure it won't a be a predictable ending unless the tv show makers screw it up for fan service

 

[WebGuru]

Season 7 Finale "The Dragon and the Wolf" is going to be the longest ever episode in GOT history.... Next GOT episode is 1 Hour and 21 minutes long....

 

[Syed1]

Season 7 Finale "The Dragon and the Wolf" is going to be the longest ever episode in GOT history.... Next GOT episode is 1 Hour and 21 minutes long....

Can't waittttt

 

[WebGuru]

Can't waittttt

And this time there is no leaked episode

 

[yasir]

Season 7 Finale "The Dragon and the Wolf" is going to be the longest ever episode in GOT history.... Next GOT episode is 1 Hour and 21 minutes long....

Does this include pre/post episode extras?? - But still longest one...

 

[yasir]

And this time there is no leaked episode

Everybody knows, what exactly going to happen, pretty much scene by scene, there is little to no mystery... I hope next season would be leak proof

 

[Stewie]

Jon Snow is perhaps the most dull character in the history of fiction. The guy playing him is a terrible actor, a 12 yr old could do better.

As for the dragon queen, her development and her approach thoughout the show has been inconsistent. She fluctuates between merciful and compassionate and then ruthless and unforgiving.

If I were a betting man this is how next season will go. Ice dragon kills small dragon, but then later big dragon will kill ice dragon. Jon will kill the night king, but there will be some scenes involving night king and Jon's raven brother. It will all culminate in a big battle, but dragon lady and Sercy will both be killed during the season.

Personally I would like to see dwarf win the Iron Throne, but unlikely to happen.

Hmmm.. where is all this angst coming from?

On the contrary I find him to be a kindred spirit. The author has a repnfor not creating cardboard caricatures, almost al his characters are flawed. I do t see anything wrong in creating one like Snow who is a hero at heart, maybe it's the author's way of maintaining a positive outlook on humanity.

His abilities don't make him a hero, he may not be the best fighter or the most powerful but he has a tragic past, and a pure soul, something we could all use a lot more of.


Jon Snow is my most favorite character after Tyrion. He doesn't flinch while facing insurmountable odds and you know what they say, "fortune favors the brave" so he has come out on top in his books. I find it a bit harsh to put his character down.

 

[yasir]

Why all WWs are very old, other than KK? - I can't remember a single WW who was young, is there a hidden message in their appearance? - Why you they deliberately put old guys who looked liked, they were dead before being WWs. Same cannot be said about KK, who does not looked old, sort of a version of his old self....

Craster babies should look younger than these really old guys. Where are WWs made from those babies??

 

[yasir]

Anybody read the bran is the night king theory? Although not very convincing to me but I would be thrilled if it comes out to be true, I don't want the predictable ending of jon killing the mindless night king, marrying dany, having kids and living happily ever after. George r.r martin said it would be a bitter sweet ending so I am 99% sure it won't a be a predictable ending unless the tv show makers screw it up for fan service

That's the thing about WWs and KK, they have share so little info in 65 hours, that anything and everything is on the table...Authors can still twist a whole lot. KK's mystery will be released close to the end and most likely it would be something simple, may disappoint the most fans, its hard to match the hype or craziness surrounding Bran and KK...

Also, Actor playing KK looked very different from Bran, he has to be older than kid playing Bran, since we are reaching last season, I cannot imagine, he can grow up to be that character in 3/4 episodes...

Reason for this theory is that KK has similar powers to that of Bran, he can time travel, have visions, even he can be in Bran's vision, a more power upgrade on Bran...Children of Forest and last three eye raven were all waiting for Bran. I hope at sometime we know the mystery of Bran, why so many powerful folks were waiting for him, he must have something others don't...I can foresee Bran will have lot more powers in next season that would be crucial to defeat KK...

I don't agree that GOT is unconventional and had/have twist...First scene of the pilot was about WWs as threat, 65 hours late, they are still the threat and as mysterious as day one. Starks were important than, they are still important...Danny, Jon, Starks were saved so many times, that its given nothing will happen to them, max few of them may die at climax...This whole War of Cersi and Danny is a big BS, its like hyping AUS Vs BD as grant SF or something, come on there is no competition, why so many episodes rather season or two wasted in that build it up, its terrible plot line, look very artificial, Cersi has nothing to offer, has no power, they kept her there as a filler, at time her evil is artificial too...Same goes for Little Finger thread this season, its boring as hell, they have stall things for no reason

 

[Stewie]

The show and books are going to diverge a lot. We may end up getting a totally different origin and story of the WW, the night king and the like in the tv show.

To be clear in the books there is the Night King and then the Night's King who was a lord commander of the night's watch and fell in love with a female WW. It seems to me the show has combined the two.

The Night King is probably Bran Stark's future.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Does this include pre/post episode extras?? - But still longest one...

I believe it includes from where you see the hbo logo at the start to the end of the credits

 

[Suleiman]

Saw an interesting theory about Viserys, that one of the main reasons he was enraged with Daenarys was because he planned to marry her and was jealous that she adjusted to Drogo so fast. His plan would've been to get to the Iron Throne have Drogo dead and then marry Daenarys. Apparently in the books he was in love with her (?). Saw a clip of the actor who plays Viserys suggesting this in the season 1 feature.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Saw an interesting theory about Viserys, that one of the main reasons he was enraged with Daenarys was because he planned to marry her and was jealous that she adjusted to Drogo so fast. His plan would've been to get to the Iron Throne have Drogo dead and then marry Daenarys. Apparently in the books he was in love with her (?). Saw a clip of the actor who plays Viserys suggesting this in the season 1 feature.

You had me scratching my head for quite a while there. Thought you were talking about the dragons

 

[Suleiman]

You had me scratching my head for quite a while there. Thought you were talking about the dragons

Too bad we aren't in Shrek universe where dragons can have interspecies affairs. Donkey would've been night king.

 

[bones]

His abilities don't make him a hero, he may not be the best fighter or the most powerful but he has a tragic past, and a pure soul, something we could all use a lot more of.

Jon Snow is my most favorite character after Tyrion. He doesn't flinch while facing insurmountable odds and you know what they say, "fortune favors the brave" so he has come out on top in his books. I find it a bit harsh to put his character down.

Almost every scene Jon is in, someone else steals the show. Jon vs Ramsay, Ramsay stole the show. Jon vs Tyrion, Tyrion steals the show. Jon and his old ginger girlfriend, she stole the show. Jon in his death scene, the kid and the traitors stole the show.

Bottom line is, the guy playing Jon Snow is doing such a bad job that he seems to be out of his depth in every scene. If you want to know why else I think he's a bad actor, watch him in Pompeii, the guy absolutely sucks balls.

There are not many bad performances and actors in this series, you've got wonderful portrayals of Tywin, Tyrion, Sercy, Ned, Davos, Varys, Little Finger, Joffrey, Ramsay, Walder Fray and of course Lady Tyrell.

But there are just a few shockingly bad performances in GOT. Jon Snow, Brienne and of course dragon lady. Just because it's a very interesting and captivating tv show doesn't mean everything is perfect.

 

[bones]

Hopefully it does culminate with a cold vs hot war and we don't get the peace that would not befit a show like this.

I think they will definitely leave the door open for a sequel later on, in fact given the sheer amount of money involved, I'm suprised they're planning to cut the current franchise after just 8 seasons. If they wanted they could afford to lose 50% of their audience and still make an absolute bucket for the next 4/5 seasons.

 

[Stewie]

Almost every scene Jon is in, someone else steals the show. Jon vs Ramsay, Ramsay stole the show. Jon vs Tyrion, Tyrion steals the show. Jon and his old ginger girlfriend, she stole the show. Jon in his death scene, the kid and the traitors stole the show.

Bottom line is, the guy playing Jon Snow is doing such a bad job that he seems to be out of his depth in every scene. If you want to know why else I think he's a bad actor, watch him in Pompeii, the guy absolutely sucks balls.

There are not many bad performances and actors in this series, you've got wonderful portrayals of Tywin, Tyrion, Sercy, Ned, Davos, Varys, Little Finger, Joffrey, Ramsay, Walder Fray and of course Lady Tyrell.

But there are just a few shockingly bad performances in GOT. Jon Snow, Brienne and of course dragon lady. Just because it's a very interesting and captivating tv show doesn't mean everything is perfect.

no i agree with you on the last part of your statement. But i believe the issue is we automatically take a liking to non conventional characters because they are unique. traditional heroes or positive characters bore us at times. its really the role they are playing and not their acting i suspect, is the issue here.

for the record, i disagree with Jon not standing out at all. He was great at Hardhome. He was great in the battle at the wall as well as the BOB.

Once again it might be a case of personal preference. But i tend to agree with you on Emilia Clarke. she is an average actress.