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What I liked

Cersei and Jaime's scene...it was a nice ending for the two of them...

Sacking of a city...the brutality of a genocide was shown well...

Tyrion and Jaime's scene...I thought their dialogue was nice...

Daenerys and her vengeance...while a bit rushed...I do feel they have built towards this and the warning signs were there...her whole sense of destiny and right to the throne...her opposition to anyone who disagreed with her...i disagree with those who say this is completely out of character for the character we have been shown...she wants a world of Dothraki and Unsullied ie those who bend the knee...


What I didn't like

Euron v Jaime...complete wasted of time...Euron could have been a much better character and they wasted him...and this fight was pointless...

Cleganebowl...just a bit meh...

Arya surviving everything...I was hoping she would finally die...she is more impossible to kill than a superhero...

Jaime escaping...so many logic fails in this season...

Cersei...she is my favourite character and she has been criminally underused this season...her final scene was nice but shes been wasted this season...

Golden Company...I thought they would turn on Cersei cos Cersei paid off her debt to the Iron Bank...i evidently overthought it...what a trolljob by D&D...
 
Got definitely needed 1-2 more seasons, or maybe should've expanded this season to be more episodes but this all seems half hearted effort to get things done quickly.
 
I expected a really awful finale but it ended up being even worse than I thought. Can’t call it disappointing though since most people didn’t think it would be good in the first place. As usual, there is a silver lining. The memes will be great and it will be fun collectively bashing it with people
 
That was a bad ending. GoT and hbos standards have fallen alot since att acquired them. Smh.
 
Talk about underwhelming...that episode was trash...that might well be the worst ending to a show ever...and this isn't even hyperbole...

The 'twist' was so anticlimactic and predictable...and the rest of the episode was just cringeworthy...

Shame that what has been an amazing show at least for six seasons had to end like this...
 
The finale sucked. The last 3 episodes should have been one whole 10 episode season. The writers in their rush to go on to Star Wars ruined the entire series. I feel like crying cause how bad it was. A **** you to the writers.
 
Good good. Let the hate flow through you. There will still be those in denial. But that’s ok
 
aliasad1998 said:
Good good. Let the hate flow through you. There will still be those in denial. But that’s ok
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I think after this **** show no one will be denial. Ever since these clowns surpassed the books the quality has decreased, people made excuses, however there will be no more excuses now.
 
ok this finale was full of :facepalm: moments to mention a few:

Why do you think i came all this way?

Queen in the North

Bran all of a sudden getting back his emotions, smiles and feelings?

Dragon fire scene looked straight from a 3rd class cheap dragon movie.

Thank You HBO for ruining everything in the end.
 
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What a pathetic end

The whole 8 seasons were a waste of time after this ending. It ruins everything
 
Need me self a dragon to burn the last two seasons to ash and then men in black to wipe the collective human memory that this stuff ever happened.
 
I liked it. One of the weaker seasons overall but this was probably the best episode of the six. Tidy wrap up.
 
The story started with Bran being thrown out from the window and becoming a cripple, and it ended with him on the iron throne.

Everywhere you go, people talk about who will sit on the Iron Throne?

It was not about the Iron Throne, as you saw The Dragon burnt it down.

It was about bringing lasting peace to the realm and everyone that had a role to play in it.

The show wasn't about the face on the iron throne or who gets to rule the seven kingdoms.

This very much seemed like George Martin's ending and it seems like a good way to end everyone's arc.

Neither Jon nor Daenerys would be good rulers, whereas Bran and a Tyrion combination with Davos, Brienne, Sam and Bronn seem to be the most competent team of advisors that have come out with the test of time.

Jon basically became the King beyond the wall, and Tormund always mentioned you have always been the free folk deep down.
 
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waleed88 said:
The story started with Bran being thrown out from the window and becoming a cripple, and it ended with him on the iron throne.

Everywhere you go, people talk about who will sit on the Iron Throne?

It was not about the Iron Throne, as you saw The Dragon burnt it down.

It was about bringing lasting peace to the realm and everyone that had a role to play in it.

The show wasn't about the face on the iron throne or who gets to rule the seven kingdoms.

This very much seemed like George Martin's ending and it seems like a good way to end everyone's arc.

Neither Jon nor Daenerys would be good rulers, whereas Bran and a Tyrion combination with Davos, Brienne, Sam and Bronn seem to be the most competent team of advisors that have come out with the test of time.

Jon basically became the King beyond the wall, and Tormund always mentioned you have always been the free folk deep down.
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Jon’s ending has created the most controversy and what you described is incorrect as far as my understanding is concerned.
 
Stewie said:
Jon’s ending has created the most controversy and what you described is incorrect as far as my understanding is concerned.
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Jon is Azor Ahai, the prince that was promised. Doesn't mean he sits on the iron throne. Its fitting he goes back to the north, he was more northerner than a southerner always.
 
waleed88 said:
Jon is Azor Ahai, the prince that was promised. Doesn't mean he sits on the iron throne. Its fitting he goes back to the north, he was more northerner than a southerner always.
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He didn’t go back to the north. He was condemned to a life serving the nights watch again. He cant abandon that and go live with the free people beyond the wall. There is a big difference. I think serving in the nights watch is pretty much a prison sentence. If you abandon it, you get hit head chopped off, remember how Ned executed a deserter in the very first episode?
 
I didn’t say I wanted him on the throne. I always knew there won’t be a throne in the end and they would lean towards a more democratic approach. This show was never about who wins the throne in the end.

But as I said there is a big difference between Jon living a free man with the free folk and Jon living out his life serving in the nights watch.
 
Stewie said:
He didn’t go back to the north. He was condemned to a life serving the nights watch again. He cant abandon that and go live with the free people beyond the wall. There is a big difference. I think serving in the nights watch is pretty much a prison sentence. If you abandon it, you get hit head chopped off, remember how Ned executed a deserter in the very first episode?
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Rules have changed, Nights watch and free folk are together now. There are no boundaries. Why do you think Tormund was inside the wall when Jon arrive? Jon essentially became Lord Commander of Nights watch and King beyond the wall judging by his high standing with the free folk. It is a prison sentence but things change in Kings landing all the time, Tyrion said never say never.
 
Stewie said:
I didn’t say I wanted him on the throne. I always knew there won’t be a throne in the end and they would lean towards a more democratic approach. This show was never about who wins the throne in the end.

But as I said there is a big difference between Jon living a free man with the free folk and Jon living out his life serving in the nights watch.
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Jon would get skewered in Kings Landing. I would be very disappointed if he became the King actually. He couldn't lie 2 minutes to save his skin with Dany, he didn't realize what his secret could do to Dany's chances.

He didn't lie to Cersei in season 7 when he already bent the knee to Dany.

Essentially he was like Ned Stark, and it is only fitting that he end up being in the north.

Plus it is kind of a surprise to see people hating this ending, I could've sworn last week people were hating on Jon for having just 4 dialogues and sounding like he would be the most boring and predictable king in kings landing's history. That there should be someone more dynamic and charismatic that Jon.

The reality is people will always have a problem with how it ended no matter what.
 
waleed88 said:
Jon would get skewered in Kings Landing. I would be very disappointed if he became the King actually. He couldn't lie 2 minutes to save his skin with Dany, he didn't realize what his secret could do to Dany's chances.

He didn't lie to Cersei in season 7 when he already bent the knee to Dany.

Essentially he was like Ned Stark, and it is only fitting that he end up being in the north.

Plus it is kind of a surprise to see people hating this ending, I could've sworn last week people were hating on Jon for having just 4 dialogues and sounding like he would be the most boring and predictable king in kings landing's history. That there should be someone more dynamic and charismatic that Jon.

The reality is people will always have a problem with how it ended no matter what.
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Still didn’t address my point about his fate though. Seems like you and I watched two different endings
 
Stewie said:
Still didn’t address my point about his fate though. Seems like you and I watched two different endings
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His fate is the result of his decisions to murder a queen in power. Which is an act of high treason. Nothing more nothing less. He cannot become king with criminal charges on him.

Jon snow's character arc is bitter sweet and nowhere did it say heroes deserve to become king and live a happy life.

He was prophecised to save the realm, not become the king and sit on the throne. He did that.

His arc was similar to master aemon, another targayrean.
 
waleed88 said:
His fate is the result of his decisions to murder a queen in power. Which is an act of high treason. Nothing more nothing less. He cannot become king with criminal charges on him.

Jon snow's character arc is bitter sweet and nowhere did it say heroes deserve to become king and live a happy life.

He was prophecised to save the realm, not become the king and sit on the throne. He did that.

His arc was similar to master aemon, another targayrean.
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You are obviously not reading my posts properly. I can’t discuss further if you are unable to even understand my point. Thanks for your time though!
 
Stewie said:
You are obviously not reading my posts properly. I can’t discuss further if you are unable to even understand my point. Thanks for your time though!
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Apparently if you watched the show properly you wouldn't have any questions? Watch it again to comprehend better maybe with subtitles :)
 
waleed88 said:
Apparently if you watched the show properly you wouldn't have any questions? Watch it again to comprehend better maybe with subtitles :)
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Once again, read my last four posts on this thread. We are talking apples and oranges.
 
Stewie said:
Once again, read my last four posts on this thread. We are talking apples and oranges.
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I didn't ask for your opinion you quoted me. Secondly it is ok to have different interpretations on the same topic
 
waleed88 said:
I didn't ask for your opinion you quoted me. Secondly it is ok to have different interpretations on the same topic
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Except your interpretation is completely off.

I will write again, please read this time:
Living a life of servitude in the nights watch isn’t the same as a life of freedom with the free folks. Jon was condemned to the former and therein is the biggest gripe most people including myself have regarding the finale.
 
Stewie said:
He didn’t go back to the north. He was condemned to a life serving the nights watch again. He cant abandon that and go live with the free people beyond the wall. There is a big difference. I think serving in the nights watch is pretty much a prison sentence. If you abandon it, you get hit head chopped off, remember how Ned executed a deserter in the very first episode?
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Just so you can read again..
 
Stewie said:
Except your interpretation is completely off.

I will write again, please read this time:
Living a life of servitude in the nights watch isn’t the same as a life of freedom with the free folks. Jon was condemned to the former and therein is the biggest gripe most people including myself have regarding the finale.
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I don't see a problem with it. I think it is fitting for his character. He has always been a tragic hero and kinda complete that he started from where he left off in season 1. There is nothing in the books or otherwise that suggests that he will have a happily ever after.

Judging by the fate of most people in the show, he's lucky to still be alive. Others have been killed for much less.
 
Stewie said:
Just so you can read again..
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Tyrion is the hand of the king. If the situation demands he can get an order from the king himself who is his own brother to be brought back. Not bad for a guy who has been 'sentenced to a life sentence'

Tyrion's own words said - ask me in 10 years and never say never are good indications of that.
 
Stewie said:
Except your interpretation is completely off.

I will write again, please read this time:
Living a life of servitude in the nights watch isn’t the same as a life of freedom with the free folks. Jon was condemned to the former and therein is the biggest gripe most people including myself have regarding the finale.
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A servitude that he happily served all his life until he was asked to fight Ramsey in the Battle of ********.
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
Need me self a dragon to burn the last two seasons to ash and then men in black to wipe the collective human memory that this stuff ever happened.
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No I don’t want to forget season 7 and 8. As much i I thought they are absolute trash. For some reason I don’t wanna forget them
 
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What do you expect are the repercussions for murdering a queen?
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Biggest load of bull if I ever read one.

Jon’s fate is the biggest drawback of the show no matter which angle you look at it from.

Jaime Lannister kills a sitting King, gets dubbed “Kingslayer” yet continues to serve as Kingsguard for the supposed “usurper” Robert Baratheon.

Jon Snow kills a “usurper” who was not even officially recognized as the queen by anyone except he, Snow himself and maybe the Iron Islands and yet is made to serve out his life in servitude!

What’s worse is, out of all the lords and ladies of the realm present, only Yara pushed for a sentence. Greyworm didn’t count. He is not even Westerosi and served a usurper. His opinion should not matter. It seems this was an orchestrated plot device to give Jon a tragic or bitter ending. There was no poetic justice here. He wanted to live free and would have probably lived out the rest of his daysNorth of the wall. But if he tried that now, he will probably be killed. Unless the recently receded North pardons him. I guess that was left open ended for a reason, but the whole episode up to that point made sense. This was the only aspect thst I felt was poorly contrived.
 
Stewie said:
Biggest load of bull if I ever read one.

Jon’s fate is the biggest drawback of the show no matter which angle you look at it from.

Jaime Lannister kills a sitting King, gets dubbed “Kingslayer” yet continues to serve as Kingsguard for the supposed “usurper” Robert Baratheon.

Jon Snow kills a “usurper” who was not even officially recognized as the queen by anyone except he, Snow himself and maybe the Iron Islands and yet is made to serve out his life in servitude!

What’s worse is, out of all the lords and ladies of the realm present, only Yara pushed for a sentence. Greyworm didn’t count. He is not even Westerosi and served a usurper. His opinion should not matter. It seems this was an orchestrated plot device to give Jon a tragic or bitter ending. There was no poetic justice here. He wanted to live free and would have probably lived out the rest of his daysNorth of the wall. But if he tried that now, he will probably be killed. Unless the recently receded North pardons him. I guess that was left open ended for a reason, but the whole episode up to that point made sense. This was the only aspect thst I felt was poorly contrived.
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The North doesn't care for what KL has to say. Jon would be buried with his mom in the crypts of Winterfell. Though I'm unsure where Lyanna stark is now, last we saw she was running around as a skeleton.
 
Stewie said:
Biggest load of bull if I ever read one.

Jon’s fate is the biggest drawback of the show no matter which angle you look at it from.

Jaime Lannister kills a sitting King, gets dubbed “Kingslayer” yet continues to serve as Kingsguard for the supposed “usurper” Robert Baratheon.

Jon Snow kills a “usurper” who was not even officially recognized as the queen by anyone except he, Snow himself and maybe the Iron Islands and yet is made to serve out his life in servitude!

What’s worse is, out of all the lords and ladies of the realm present, only Yara pushed for a sentence. Greyworm didn’t count. He is not even Westerosi and served a usurper. His opinion should not matter. It seems this was an orchestrated plot device to give Jon a tragic or bitter ending. There was no poetic justice here. He wanted to live free and would have probably lived out the rest of his daysNorth of the wall. But if he tried that now, he will probably be killed. Unless the recently receded North pardons him. I guess that was left open ended for a reason, but the whole episode up to that point made sense. This was the only aspect thst I felt was poorly contrived.
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I see poetic justice. Stabbing a woman in the heart who is professing her love to you. He was only performing his duty after reminded of his oath to 'guard the realms of men'

The only thing I see was unfair was Dany's sudden turn to heel character in the show, otherwise I wouldn't have it any other way.

After she sat on the iron throne there was no one else who could be king/queen. She destroyed the Lannisters and she was the rightful heir unless Jon made a claim to throne himself.

That would only lead to more war and bloodshed.

Also I don't think an army of Unsullied and Dothraki would just stay quiet because their queen was killed in 5 just mins into sitting on the iron throne.

Jon is lucky to have survived a fire breathing dragon not killing him, an ice dragon who was only about to kill him and his only reply was shouting at him.

Surviving an army of white walkers and being saved by Uncle Benjen.

Surviving the Battle of ******** he surely would've lost.

Surviving a knife to the heart.

With the amount of luck Jon has had on his side, I am kind of surprised people still think he would get everything his way after being a lucky sobbb for so longg.
 
waleed88 said:
I see poetic justice. Stabbing a woman in the heart who is professing her love to you. He was only performing his duty after reminded of his oath to 'guard the realms of men'

The only thing I see was unfair was Dany's sudden turn to heel character in the show, otherwise I wouldn't have it any other way.

After she sat on the iron throne there was no one else who could be king/queen. She destroyed the Lannisters and she was the rightful heir unless Jon made a claim to throne himself.

That would only lead to more war and bloodshed.

Also I don't think an army of Unsullied and Dothraki would just stay quiet because their queen was killed in 5 just mins into sitting on the iron throne.

Jon is lucky to have survived a fire breathing dragon not killing him, an ice dragon who was only about to kill him and his only reply was shouting at him.

Surviving an army of white walkers and being saved by Uncle Benjen.

Surviving the Battle of ******** he surely would've lost.

Surviving a knife to the heart.

With the amount of luck Jon has had on his side, I am kind of surprised people still think he would get everything his way after being a lucky sobbb for so longg.
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Think about it this way, the one who didnt do anything evil in all of the 8 seasons was the luckiest one. I believe there is a message there. Of Karma or something. Its a theme of the series.
 
Seems some people just follow IMDB or whatever it is.... ooh it got a 5 or an 8..
Honestly think for yourself and get a life.
I’ll say no more on this.
 
IMMY69 said:
Seems some people just follow IMDB or whatever it is.... ooh it got a 5 or an 8..
Honestly think for yourself and get a life.
I’ll say no more on this.
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IMDB has no credibility whatsoever. Some people will never be happy no matter what the ending is.
 
Not really a surprise nor an injustice with who ended up as the ruler. In their finale, TV shows often go back full circle to their pilot episode and reference one of the very first significant events to occur in that universe. Same for this show.
 
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IMDB has no credibility whatsoever. Some people will never be happy no matter what the ending is.
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It’s so strange because reading the comments I suspect some people have forgotten what GOT was all about..

I think they expected the main characters to all line up and receive a medal like in the ending of Star Wars: A New Hope... hugs all round and everyone lives out their lives living happily ever after.

Yes certain things could have been done a little differently for fan approval, but by and large they kept with the theme of the programme.
 
"We'll be in an undisclosed location, turning off our phones and opening various bottles," Weiss told Entertainment Weekly of the duo's plans for the big night. "At some point, if and when it's safe to come out again, somebody like [HBO's Thrones publicist Mara Mikialian] will give us a breakdown of what was out there without us having to actually experience it."

It's likely Benioff and Weiss, who brought George R.R. Martin's Game of Thrones: A Song of Ice and Fire to life in 2011, turning the epic book series into the world's most popular TV show, have been keeping their phones off as of late, as the highly anticipated final season, which took two years to make before finally premiering in April, has been, to put it bluntly, a massive disappointment to a majority of the fanbase.

Taken from Entertainment online, So Benioff and Weiss knew the ending was gonna cause a major meltdown, that is why they went to undisclosed locations with their wives and turned their phones off, lol
 
A thought - please watch the finale first!:

Strong rumours of a filmed, but ultimately cut ending scene where Jon does not just ride off into the woods with the free folk - instead whilst he is on his horse, he finds a White Walker symbol on the ground and the screen blacks out. Wonder if a cliffhanger like that would have been slightly preferable. Also knowing that “things never end” would have linked back to the Dany, Jamie & Cersei, Bran, and King’s Council plots - in that despite the new agreed democratic approach, history is cyclical, and (paraphrased from Marx) the affairs of human beings will forever repeat themselves in an increasingly tragic and yet farcical manner. Also the very first thing we saw in Game of Thrones was the advent of the White Walkers, so it could have ended in the same manner.
 
IMMY69 said:
It’s so strange because reading the comments I suspect some people have forgotten what GOT was all about..

I think they expected the main characters to all line up and receive a medal like in the ending of Star Wars: A New Hope... hugs all round and everyone lives out their lives living happily ever after.

Yes certain things could have been done a little differently for fan approval, but by and large they kept with the theme of the programme.
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You are absolutely right. There are so many devoted fans to each of the 4 or 5 main characters. Anything happens to their favorite character and the fan bases would hate it. Basically the creators are in such a situation that any sort of ending will result in controversy. Basically all of them wanted a happy ending and unicorns and rainbows to fly over Westeros after peace was restored.
 
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A thought - please watch the finale first!:

Strong rumours of a filmed, but ultimately cut ending scene where Jon does not just ride off into the woods with the free folk - instead whilst he is on his horse, he finds a White Walker symbol on the ground and the screen blacks out. Wonder if a cliffhanger like that would have been slightly preferable. Also knowing that “things never end” would have linked back to the Dany, Jamie & Cersei, Bran, and King’s Council plots - in that despite the new agreed democratic approach, history is cyclical, and (paraphrased from Marx) the affairs of human beings will forever repeat themselves in an increasingly tragic and yet farcical manner. Also the very first thing we saw in Game of Thrones was the advent of the White Walkers, so it could have ended in the same manner.
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That wouldve been a cool way to end the show! Coming a full circle
 
The reason why IMDb ratings are useless is because most people go for a 10/10 if they liked it and a 1/10 if they disliked it.

Even a lot of the 1/10 reviews for recent Game of Thrones episodes, if you read into them, will be highly complementary about the acting, cinematography, music and visual effects - some individual scenes also receive praise - but then the storyline, character arcs and writing upset the reviewer, so hey out comes the 1/10. :facepalm:

Many of the 1/10 ratings in another context would have been 7 and above, really.

In reality, it’s few things that would genuinely be rated a 1/10 or a 10/10. An absolute bomb or total perfection are very rare.
 
I don’t care about IMDb ratings at all. That wasn’t my point. I don’t need any reviews to understand how atrocious this episode and season were. I just love watching this train wreck of a season get bashed on all platforms
 
James said:
The reason why IMDb ratings are useless is because most people go for a 10/10 if they liked it and a 1/10 if they disliked it.

Even a lot of the 1/10 reviews for recent Game of Thrones episodes, if you read into them, will be highly complementary about the acting, cinematography, music and visual effects - some individual scenes also receive praise - but then the storyline, character arcs and writing upset the reviewer, so hey out comes the 1/10. :facepalm:

Many of the 1/10 ratings in another context would have been 7 and above, really.

In reality, it’s few things that would genuinely be rated a 1/10 or a 10/10. An absolute bomb or total perfection are very rare.
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They aren't useless for ******* who try to use them to show that GOT is the highest rated TV show or best show ever or blah blah blah. Btw this season has got pretty poor scores from critics as well on sites such like rotten tomatoes and metacritic.
 
Lol at people saying IMDB ratings don't matter, they will be the first ones to bring GOT's 9.5 rating on it to prove that its best show ever. I guess when episodes like hardhome, battle of ******** and winds of winter were being rated 9.9, it was all great and it mattered, but now they are useless have no credibility etc.
 
Its the worst ending of one of the Greatest Tv Show ever. No matter what, It will be reminded like that. Its not about fanism, its about where the story ends. Its a total disappointment. I wont recommend anyone to watch this show in future (if they didnt watche it).
It looks like people have wasted thre time on all 8 seasons.
The last season of GoT mae sure that people wont ever say that GoT was the greatest tv show ever in the history of tv.
atleast i wont.
 
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Lol at people saying IMDB ratings don't matter, they will be the first ones to bring GOT's 9.5 rating on it to prove that its best show ever. I guess when episodes like hardhome, battle of ******** and winds of winter were being rated 9.9, it was all great and it mattered, but now they are useless have no credibility etc.
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exactly, people use these ratings as it suits them. Generally I have found imdb ratings to be an accurate reflection of how the majority of fanbase thinks about a particular TV show or a movie.
 
The only good part of the episode was the scene where denerys walked up to address the dothraki and unsullied...

The rest of the episode was appalling...

Dany knew Jon wasn't happy with how she behaved yet remained unguarded when he came to see her...

The Jon killing her part could be seen a mile off..

Jon needing to be told by both arya and tyrion that denerys was bad cos evidently he couldn't see that for himself...

Arya in general... What was the point of her being there..

The unsullied and the dothraki who were quite happy to slaughter ppl suddenly stopped when it came to tyrion and Jon despite one conspiring against their queen and one killing her... The greyworm scenes were cringeworthy...

That they would accept what the council said was laughable...

What was Sam doing there among them?...

Yawn at Bran being King... Guess they replaced breaking the wheels with two wheels...

That everyone voted for bran...

That tyrion despite being the most incompetent hand on the show was offered the position...

That Sam became a maester... That bronn is master of coin... Such **...

That rocks apparently left Jaime and cersei completely unscarred...

The dragon scene was yawn too...

Surely Jon as next in line king can just pardon himself...

I can't imagine anything worse than the ending we were given... Empty underwhelming drivel...
 
shaykh said:
The only good part of the episode was the scene where denerys walked up to address the dothraki and unsullied...

The rest of the episode was appalling...

Dany knew Jon wasn't happy with how she behaved yet remained unguarded when he came to see her...

The Jon killing her part could be seen a mile off..

Jon needing to be told by both arya and tyrion that denerys was bad cos evidently he couldn't see that for himself...

Arya in general... What was the point of her being there..

The unsullied and the dothraki who were quite happy to slaughter ppl suddenly stopped when it came to tyrion and Jon despite one conspiring against their queen and one killing her... The greyworm scenes were cringeworthy...

That they would accept what the council said was laughable...

What was Sam doing there among them?...

Yawn at Bran being King... Guess they replaced breaking the wheels with two wheels...

That everyone voted for bran...

That tyrion despite being the most incompetent hand on the show was offered the position...

That Sam became a maester... That bronn is master of coin... Such **...

That rocks apparently left Jaime and cersei completely unscarred...

The dragon scene was yawn too...

Surely Jon as next in line king can just pardon himself...

I can't imagine anything worse than the ending we were given... Empty underwhelming drivel...
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Just plot devices.

The soldiers were dedicated but had enough sense to know not to engage full scale war with the locals by killing both Jon and Tyrion.
Sam was there being the only surviving member of the noble House of Tarlys.
They did break the wheel by deciding to have the council of the nobles appoint a king, rather than having dynastic family rule in the country. So that’s definitely breaking the wheel. Part of that was allowing the North to secede because that’s what they wanted.
Sam has studied at the Citadel so why would it be a surprise he became a maester. Bronn was promised Lordship and given nobility so why is it a surprise he got a cabinet position?

And everybody appointing Bran King... well that was probably done for the twist/shock factor and very loosely justified. But I am not complaining.

I think the end was very very predictable and non controversial in my view, except for how Jon’s ending was handled. I could tell after watching the first season, that nobody will as such “win” the throne. It is a high fantasy written by an American, so we will end up with some form of democracy in the end ..


And that’s what happened...
 
Why did they have to make it so sad? Poor John. The good guy always has the least entertainment.
 
James said:
The reason why IMDb ratings are useless is because most people go for a 10/10 if they liked it and a 1/10 if they disliked it.

Even a lot of the 1/10 reviews for recent Game of Thrones episodes, if you read into them, will be highly complementary about the acting, cinematography, music and visual effects - some individual scenes also receive praise - but then the storyline, character arcs and writing upset the reviewer, so hey out comes the 1/10. :facepalm:

Many of the 1/10 ratings in another context would have been 7 and above, really.

In reality, it’s few things that would genuinely be rated a 1/10 or a 10/10. An absolute bomb or total perfection are very rare.
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Actually you answered your own question. For example, if 10 people watch the show and five like it and rate it 10/10 while five dislike it and rate it 1/10, then the overall rating will be 5/10 and will be an accurate representation of how people perceived the show "on average"
 
Unsullied and Dothraki only follow the orders given to them by their queen. They were reluctant to kill off a man that was let go by Drogon himself. Plus whatever happened in the aftermath wouldn't be too pleasant because the commander of northmen just committed high treason, and there weren't only Dothraki and Unsullied but Stark men and Davos in the Kings landing to when Jon stabbed Dany.
 
Stewie said:
Just plot devices.

The soldiers were dedicated but had enough sense to know not to engage full scale war with the locals by killing both Jon and Tyrion.
Sam was there being the only surviving member of the noble House of Tarlys.
They did break the wheel by deciding to have the council of the nobles appoint a king, rather than having dynastic family rule in the country. So that’s definitely breaking the wheel. Part of that was allowing the North to secede because that’s what they wanted.
Sam has studied at the Citadel so why would it be a surprise he became a maester. Bronn was promised Lordship and given nobility so why is it a surprise he got a cabinet position?

And everybody appointing Bran King... well that was probably done for the twist/shock factor and very loosely justified. But I am not complaining.

I think the end was very very predictable and non controversial in my view, except for how Jon’s ending was handled. I could tell after watching the first season, that nobody will as such “win” the throne. It is a high fantasy written by an American, so we will end up with some form of democracy in the end ..


And that’s what happened...
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Lets go with the Bran thing for a moment...

So he allowed all this to happen so he could be king...makes him worse than Daenerys...and kinda defeats the whole 'the best people to have power are those who don't want it mantra...

Tyrion who has to be the worst hand ever...oozing incompetence every step of the way...yet wait he can fix his mistakes...yawn...

I appreciate plot devices but the ones present were awful...

Tyrion was due to be executed...Jon Snow killed their Queen...and all of a sudden these ppl who were slaughtering innocent ppl and running aimlessly into the undead were suddenly being strategic...its absolute rubbish...

They were full of rage at those who fought their Queen yet not the one who killed her...

Kit Harington is an awful actor and all the Jon Snow scenes were awful...but its mainly the writing...another poor plot device...the dragon not killing him...

Arya being there in the first place...no need...

The characters all got fairytale happy endings...

Bronn had to be explained what interest was early in the series and now a sellsword is master of coin :) ...

Maester is years upon years of study...guess he did the online course...

I think more than the obvious plotholes...I just found the episode to be incredibly boring...

The whole breaking of the wheel thing was so poorly executed too...even though your points are valid...
 
Stewie said:
Just plot devices.

The soldiers were dedicated but had enough sense to know not to engage full scale war with the locals by killing both Jon and Tyrion.
Sam was there being the only surviving member of the noble House of Tarlys.
They did break the wheel by deciding to have the council of the nobles appoint a king, rather than having dynastic family rule in the country. So that’s definitely breaking the wheel. Part of that was allowing the North to secede because that’s what they wanted.
Sam has studied at the Citadel so why would it be a surprise he became a maester. Bronn was promised Lordship and given nobility so why is it a surprise he got a cabinet position?

And everybody appointing Bran King... well that was probably done for the twist/shock factor and very loosely justified. But I am not complaining.

I think the end was very very predictable and non controversial in my view, except for how Jon’s ending was handled. I could tell after watching the first season, that nobody will as such “win” the throne. It is a high fantasy written by an American, so we will end up with some form of democracy in the end ..


And that’s what happened...
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In Season 8 Tyrion spoke to Dany about having a successor and finished in this final episode by saying that Bran is ideal as he can't father children and so the chain is now broken and also shows why Tyrion was the ideal Hand to the King
 
IMMY69 said:
Seems some people just follow IMDB or whatever it is.... ooh it got a 5 or an 8..
Honestly think for yourself and get a life.
I’ll say no more on this.
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I lack your ability to appreciate high quality art. Teach me
 
shaykh said:
Lets go with the Bran thing for a moment...

So he allowed all this to happen so he could be king...makes him worse than Daenerys...and kinda defeats the whole 'the best people to have power are those who don't want it mantra...

Tyrion who has to be the worst hand ever...oozing incompetence every step of the way...yet wait he can fix his mistakes...yawn...

I appreciate plot devices but the ones present were awful...

Tyrion was due to be executed...Jon Snow killed their Queen...and all of a sudden these ppl who were slaughtering innocent ppl and running aimlessly into the undead were suddenly being strategic...its absolute rubbish...

They were full of rage at those who fought their Queen yet not the one who killed her...

Kit Harington is an awful actor and all the Jon Snow scenes were awful...but its mainly the writing...another poor plot device...the dragon not killing him...

Arya being there in the first place...no need...

The characters all got fairytale happy endings...

Bronn had to be explained what interest was early in the series and now a sellsword is master of coin :) ...

Maester is years upon years of study...guess he did the online course...

I think more than the obvious plotholes...I just found the episode to be incredibly boring...

The whole breaking of the wheel thing was so poorly executed too...even though your points are valid...
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It’s medieval times. You don’t need a degree or proper education to hold certain roles.

Sam did spend at least a year or possibly more (time jumps have been a problem in the latter seasons) at the citadel. And Bronn got coached on the “finer” aspect of economics as you ourself pointed out. Haha.

Regarding Bran, let’s keep in mind this is fiction. How does Having prior knowledge of future events change your attitude and decision making? I guess I’ll never know but it’s a conundrum frequently seen and discussed in fiction. Most notably in the Matrix (oracle told Neo “you have already made the choice, now you are trying to figure out why you made the choice”)
Cause and effect ... just that topic can have a thread of its own. But to stay on topic, I would say just because Bran knew what the future holds, he could not have made any effort to change it, because it wouldn’t have mattered. He could not manipulate anything or anyone and things would still have turned out the way they did. Had he told Theon to hold on for a few more minutes because Arya would soon be leaping on to the NK to kill him, he may have saved Theon’s life. Theon may not have changed the NK and got killed. Right?

But it didn’t happen that way. So that point will always be up for debate, but using the logic of predestination, we can’t find fault with Bran for anything.
Tyrion was always the smartest character and the perfect choice for the hand. We all make mistakes but there was no denying that Tyrion’s strength was always his wisdom and fairness.

Everything else is personal opinion. I am also not happy with Jon’s fate but I accept that they were able to justify it in the show. Drogon didn’t hurt him because of the supernatural aspect with Targaryens and Dragons. He could sense who Jon was and they had alluded to it earlier by showing how they were not bothered when Jon rode them. Now what would have been really brilliant was if Drogon had actually tried to burn Jon and of course the fire wouldn’t have hurt him because he is a Targaryen. But they didn’t take that route.

If you are flexible enough to believe in Dragons, then just know that he sensed who Jon was and why he did what he did. Of course he wasn’t happy about it and took it all out on the throne.
 
For the first time in years I'm not excited about watching a GOT episode. According to social sites spoilers are correct.

But what can be done, you have got to watch the 73rd episode after you have already watched 72 of them, over the years.

Be right back. Hopefully, I will be surprised by some good scenes, at least the music. It has forever been awesome.
 
shaykh said:
The only good part of the episode was the scene where denerys walked up to address the dothraki and unsullied...

The rest of the episode was appalling...

Dany knew Jon wasn't happy with how she behaved yet remained unguarded when he came to see her...

The Jon killing her part could be seen a mile off..

Jon needing to be told by both arya and tyrion that denerys was bad cos evidently he couldn't see that for himself...

Arya in general... What was the point of her being there..

The unsullied and the dothraki who were quite happy to slaughter ppl suddenly stopped when it came to tyrion and Jon despite one conspiring against their queen and one killing her... The greyworm scenes were cringeworthy...

That they would accept what the council said was laughable...

What was Sam doing there among them?...

Yawn at Bran being King... Guess they replaced breaking the wheels with two wheels...

That everyone voted for bran...

That tyrion despite being the most incompetent hand on the show was offered the position...

That Sam became a maester... That bronn is master of coin... Such **...

That rocks apparently left Jaime and cersei completely unscarred...

The dragon scene was yawn too...

Surely Jon as next in line king can just pardon himself...

I can't imagine anything worse than the ending we were given... Empty underwhelming drivel...
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Bro don't watch the show why put yourself through so much pain :)
 
So, this was a terrible ending. The only good thing was Drogon's last scene and end credits. It was tragic!

I always knew years back that Dany was not going to make it, most probably her fate would end in a heroic fashion, albeit sad. But the way she went mad in just one episode and the related rushed development, it was poor.

Secondly, the show has been bitter for most part, and in the end it still remained bitter, I was hoping for a bittersweet ending but writers tried to present this as bittersweet with couple of Tyrion jokes and a smiling Jon face in the end. I don't know why the hell Jon was smiling in the end. :)) No, sir it did not leave a bittersweet feeling!

Then i feel remaining two books of ASOIAF can be written on irrelevant Arya, Bran the Broken :))) . poor dialogues etc.

We were so close to greatness. But writers were out of their depths in dealing with such large characters and canvas.
 
And Jon along with Tormund walked through a gate across the wall. Has it been rebuilt? Probably, it was another portion of the wall which remained intact despite Night King's attack.

To reverberate the start of the show, and leave an emotional impact, they rebuilt the wall, without telling us how actually.
 
So.... Starks rule.

I think I liked it. Fairly satisfying.
 
As expected a load of garbage.

Shame they spoilt a great series for most parts with such a lame last season. Even the actors are rubbishing it so not sure what some people were watching.
 
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