Game of Thrones [SPOILER ALERT]

[Sirris]

We can Blame D&D but this is what GRRM wanted at the end, it's his fault as well.

I don't have any issues with the overall story just the execution is bad.

Like when Dany is burning everything down and going on a rampage you rarely get a glimpse of her face and get too feel all the violent emotions she is going through. You simply have CGI shots of the dragon flying all around spewing fire derived of any emotions.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I want what some people on this thread are smoking. Maybe it’s just denial. This season has almost universally been called trash. Most people are calling this the worst GOT episode ever and I have to agree. This and the one before this

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I was one of the few people who defended episode 3 but after the last 2 episodes I regret that as well

 

[Robert]

Darn.

Dany went all Mad King in the end.

It makes sense. Ser Jorah gone, Missandei gone - her last word ringing loud in Dany’s ears - plotters undermining her and Jon turning away. She could have spared the capital but then the people would have chosen Jon, so “Fear it is”.

 

[James]

lol how is it the worst episode ever? Are people seriously going to argue that some of the filler episodes in the middle seasons were stronger entries than this? Way too much exaggeration and unnecessary raging going on.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

The memes honestly are pretty great. Loving the memes. It truly is a great feeling to hate on something so awful collectively. I want 7 years of investment back

 

[Sirris]

There is only a handful amount of time I can see a dragon spitting fire and annihilating everything in his way before becoming bored.

How about some emotional and dramatic scenes like Dany flying with the dragon over a crowd of people, the people crying, begging for mercy and kneeling. You get a close shot of the mad queens with bewildered eyes and deep breathing then clenching of the teeth, eyes widening and a loud shout DRACARYS.

A scene with Dany making eye contact with a mother and a child in her lap before raining fireball on them.

A scene with Dany mumbling "you don't love me? You don't love me? After all my kindness you don't live? Fine then have it your way. Fear it is! FEAR! DRACARYS! DRACARYS! DRACARYS!"

These things would have made the tragedy far more emotionally relatable then the current version where you are forced to feel emotions just because that's the logical thing to feel since the whole city is burning when in reality the scenes werent able to awoke much emotions.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

 

[Sirris]

lol how is it the worst episode ever? Are people seriously going to argue that some of the filler episodes in the middle seasons were stronger entries than this? Way too much exaggeration and unnecessary raging going on.

The first two episodes were the most rubbish and so unmemorable that I forgot what happened there.

 

[James]

What often happens with divisive material is that critical and audience perceptions improve over time. I think the same will happen here.

 

[Heisenberg111]

lol how is it the worst episode ever? Are people seriously going to argue that some of the filler episodes in the middle seasons were stronger entries than this? Way too much exaggeration and unnecessary raging going on.

Episode 5 is rated 7.1 on imdb which is pretty poor and will only decrease further as more people vote. Its getting pretty poor reviews from critics as well.

 

[James]

Episode 5 is rated 7.1 on imdb which is pretty poor and will only decrease further as more people vote. Its getting pretty poor reviews from critics as well.

Did you see yesterday on IMDb - it had been given 2,000 ratings and was averaging below a 6/10 before it had even been aired. All of the reviewers said they were feeling angry but hadn’t watched it. The “fans” are just doing a hatchet job on GOT now, nothing more.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

What often happens with divisive material is that critical and audience perceptions improve over time. I think the same will happen here.

Just like the last few seasons of lost, dexter etc. This isn’t The Shining or 2001 A Space Odyssey that weren’t critically acclaimed because they were ahead of their time. Perceptions will in fact get worse. Not only this but the quality of the amazing first 4 seasons will be affected as well. People will realize how useless all the buildup is. A terrible conclusion affects the previous material.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Just like the last few seasons of lost, dexter etc. This isn’t The Shining or 2001 A Space Odyssey that weren’t critically acclaimed because they were ahead of their time. Perceptions will in fact get worse. Not only this but the quality of the amazing first 4 seasons will be affected as well. People will realize how useless all the buildup is. A terrible conclusion affects the previous material.

Exactly, for me this show now has zero rewatchability. I don't think I will ever watch the first 6 seasons again.

 

[Robert]

lol how is it the worst episode ever? Are people seriously going to argue that some of the filler episodes in the middle seasons were stronger entries than this? Way too much exaggeration and unnecessary raging going on.

I honestly don’t know what people want. I saw a gripping story with a beloved character feel so abandoned that she causes a catastrophe. Poor Grey Worm was sucked in too, in anguish for his lost love, reminding me of the Charge of the Rohirrim - “Ride to ruin and the world’s end!” - Dany’s troops going mad and Jon powerless to rein them in.

Cleganebowl could have been done better. Have waited five years for that.

Circe could have had a more meaningful end - I hoped for a trial and defiant words from the old queen flung at the new.

 

[Sirris]

I know there are many over the top and dumb fan theories like Littlefinger faking his death, Tyrion being a Targaryen or the Night King actually being Brann Stark. I am not asking for any of them to have come true.

I am not asking for a master piece without any plot holes.

All I ask is the ability to sell your own idea and story to the public. So Daenerys turns mad and into a monster and burns down the whole city, I have no problem with that. However at least make it believable and as disturbing and traumatic as it's supposed to be.

Some random peasants running around and being chased by fireballs for one hour straight isn't good enough. You don't really feel like Daenerys is the culprit and the cause of the massacre.

How about a scene where a bunch of peasants realize that they can't outrun the dragon so they decide to surrender and try to convince others of it. Despite some of them being uncertain and terrified a mob gathers in an open area, with their knees bent and hand clasped together above their heads they start shouting "dragon queen...dragon queen... our queen... dragon queen... our Queen... DRAGON QUEEN! DRAGON QUEEN"

You see Daenerys noticing them. She flies over to their place, lowers her dragon. For a moment her mad and violent facse starts to turns into a curious and a slightly amused face.

For a moment it seems like she is coming back to her senses. When suddenly a small boy no older than 13 years appears from behind with hands hidden behind his back. He has tears in his eyes he shouts "you burned my mom, dad and my little sister." then he throws a stone towards her. The stone barely reaches Daenerys amd the dragon. But this whole event only feeda into her anger she shots "DRACARYS" burning the boy before burning the whole mob infront of her.

She becomes more violent and insane and goes back to her rampage.

 

[Sirris]

I honestly don’t know what people want. I saw a gripping story with a beloved character feel so abandoned that she causes a catastrophe. Poor Grey Worm was sucked in too, in anguish for his lost love, reminding me of the Charge of the Rohirrim - “Ride to ruin and the world’s end!” - Dany’s troops going mad and Jon powerless to rein them in.

Cleganebowl could have been done better. Have waited five years for that.

Circe could have had a more meaningful end - I hoped for a trial and defiant words from the old queen flung at the new.

To me everything seems fine on paper but they failed to properly evoke and convey the emotions. Yes I can logically think about the tragic events happening and know what emotions I am supposed to feel but a good piece of art evokes those emotions naturally and you don't have to think about feeling them.

After Daenerys went mad there wasnt one close up shot of her face and the wild emotions she was feeling. In fact all it felt like was a dragon burning down things. The dragon and its burning abilities were too much in the focus. When in reality the dragon was just the weapon and the real responsible person behind the massacre should have been in the spotlight.

 

[Dead Ball]

I honestly don’t know what people want. I saw a gripping story with a beloved character feel so abandoned that she causes a catastrophe. Poor Grey Worm was sucked in too, in anguish for his lost love, reminding me of the Charge of the Rohirrim - “Ride to ruin and the world’s end!” - Dany’s troops going mad and Jon powerless to rein them in.

Cleganebowl could have been done better. Have waited five years for that.

Circe could have had a more meaningful end - I hoped for a trial and defiant words from the old queen flung at the new.

I don't understand how people can seriously rate this episode....

- Samwell Tarly has killed more people than the entire Golden Company combined.
- Where did the Dothraki horde and the Unsullied army magically re-appear from? Didn't most if not all of them die in the Long Night?
- How is Jamie wandering around after being brutally stabbed TWICE?
- Arya's plot armor seems to be the strongest in history. After doing parkour immediately having been stabbed multiple times by the Waif in season 6, she seems to be immune to fire and tons of falling debris even when EVERYONE around her is crushed or burnt to death.
- Suddenly Euron's ship seem to be useless and cannot aim properly to hit the dragon even ONCE.

I can go on and on... what was the point of Bronn's arc in this season? What the hell has Bran done throughout the season considering the powers he has got? Has to be the most useless man in Westeros despite being a cripple. Jon successfully hiding behind a stone to protect himself from Viserion breath THAT ALMOST GOT THE ENTIRE FRIGGIN WALL DOWN and then getting up to childishly scream at it will go down as the most unintentionally funny moments I have seen in a great TV series.

It has been an absolute disaster of a season.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

“Incompetence must not be rewarded with blind loyalty” - Varys

 

[leatherface58]

I don't see anything wrong with the complaints from the fans and these are just some of the reasons

1. HBO gave the showrunners money to make the season longer, it's like hello, here's your blank check, do whatever you want with it. They, in turn, came out and said, "Naah, we kinda see it as a 76 episode saga" and literally rushed every single plot line. J

2. The absolute murder of story arcs of the main characters is an unpardonable crime. Jon is a story arc, a character with greatness in his blood, now he's a mere prop, just a bystander whose one major contribution is one cliched as hell speech while burning the dead. The Starks were all on the verge of something; Arya, the many-faced assassin; Sansa, a lone wolf surviving to find a pack, surviving without one, then forming one; Bran, a three-eyed raven with info of the past, present, and possibly even future. One's a high jumper and speed runner now, the second is the main lead of gossip girl. the third is the definition of "with great power comes great design knowledge of building wheelchairs". You spend seven seasons on Cersei, there's a prophecy of how it begins and how it ends for her, she's ruthless, she's multi-talented, she's a survivor, she's tricked the faith militia, the Tyrells, she's the true heir of Tywin; now, she stands in the balcony and smirks and has useless dialogs with a drunkard sailor whose claim to fame is hitting a dragon miles away only to miss the next one 40 feet away with a fleet of scorpions mounted on at least 10 ships. Tyrion who literally ran the show is reduced to a side joke, drinking wine and knowing nothing, literally in a way he's more Jon Snow than Jon himself. I can go on about every single character whose arc just got butchered.

3. The show was built on tiny details. They spent days building up Oberyn Martell, even his weapons were detailed. Now we have the golden company leader, supposedly the best army that money can buy. Let's see how many people remember what his name is, anyone?

4. The missing characters that the show just forgot. Remember Mira? The one that kept dragging Brann all along the journey in the North. She's a Northerner, there's a fight going, her Dad was the biggest ally of Ned Stark, do you see her anywhere? A master archer, a trusted ally, a character we were emotionally invested in, gone just like that, whoosh. Remember Dario? Remember the other red preachers preaching all over Essos?

5. The missing plot lines, ok, let's start with the obvious "winter is coming" one. Can anyone explain why the Knight King was chasing the little stark boy? If he just wanted to destroy humanity, he could have destroyed it before coming to him. The symbolism, the "I'm coming for you", the "we have old business to solve". All of that gone in an instant.

6. The potential. Basically, this is the point that annoys me the most. Fantasy shows are normally built on characters like Arnold and Rock, big muscular guys, or like Xena the Warrior Princess, big muscular scantily clad women. There's CGI but the story is predictable, bad guys do something bad to the good people who in turn suffer but a lone survivor fights until one day she/he takes revenge, gets married to the person of their choice, and the sidekick produces some very corny lines and all is well. Now we had a show that went ahead of that, it was not only better, but it was also leagues better. It was like other fantasy shows are not only in the same solar system as this show and now it's all being pulled back by the enormous gravity of stupidity slotting right next to everything. You could have a multi-layered story plot involving literally every single main character in the show but instead, we get this and then we will get prequels and sequels and basically HBO trying to mint as much money as they can from this.

The fans deserved better, this is literally the worst that it could have been and now they've spoken.

Sansa doesn't trust anyone who is not her family at this point. Considering what has happened to her via Ramsey, it is hard to blame her. Arya did this running around while killing the waif when she was blind. Besides, everything was crumbling around her. I didn't like how quickly she turned away from revenge but I'm not sure what you wanted her to do in an impossible situation. I am not a huge fan of killing the white walkers with this much ease I will give you that.

Regarding the Golden company, you can be the best fighter on this planet but how do you prepare for a dragon which has been extinct for years? The scorpions are effective but Dani effectively neutralized them and capitalized on their slow reloading.

The chief complaint with this show is there is no big YEAHHHH moment for the fans to cheer and honestly, I'm fine with a show that actually shows the collateral damage of war.


Like i said, this season was not perfect but it was pretty good. Fans have built up these theories and when the show inevitably doesn't comply with their fanfiction, it sucks. Pure entitlement.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Imagine actually defending this episode and season

 

[Dead Ball]

Dany has now killed more innocent people than Cersie could even dream of...way to butcher her character arc. I don't know where to begin and where to end...

 

[Zahid87]

Imagine actually defending this episode and season

Well...people are trying.

One thing - I can understand people being frustrated over fans ripping into the show because they don't like the story that the show is telling. Although in my eyes, it is valid criticism, some may feel that the story is above anything else.

But I don't really see a defence for criticising the way in which the show has gone about portraying its story. It most definitely does feel rushed. How can Dany suddenly turn to being the Mad Queen, after seven series of her learning how to rule.

I can understand that she may go this way...but its not believable that it happens over the course of 2 episodes in the last season. That takes a lot of time and character development to sell.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Pathetic episode just like the last one.

Well directed, sure, but the writing was poor and the plot holes and glaring inconsistencies are too much to bear.

Imagine waiting 2 years for this.

 

[jagatk]

Sansa doesn't trust anyone who is not her family at this point. Considering what has happened to her via Ramsey, it is hard to blame her. Arya did this running around while killing the waif when she was blind. Besides, everything was crumbling around her. I didn't like how quickly she turned away from revenge but I'm not sure what you wanted her to do in an impossible situation. I am not a huge fan of killing the white walkers with this much ease I will give you that.

Regarding the Golden company, you can be the best fighter on this planet but how do you prepare for a dragon which has been extinct for years? The scorpions are effective but Dani effectively neutralized them and capitalized on their slow reloading.

The chief complaint with this show is there is no big YEAHHHH moment for the fans to cheer and honestly, I'm fine with a show that actually shows the collateral damage of war.


Like i said, this season was not perfect but it was pretty good. Fans have built up these theories and when the show inevitably doesn't comply with their fanfiction, it sucks. Pure entitlement.

The whole point of getting golden company was to give a bit of weight to cersie's army, they didn't exist in the show until this season, dumb and dumber tried to build the hype expecting people to either have read the book or google the GA, only then to turn them into corpses for dragons to burn, why bring them in then, they could have had normal soldiers and it wouldn't have mattered. This is like the nonsense from BvS where the ***** synder name dropped and then killed jimmy olsen for ***** and giggles. Dumb and Dumber once they had no book to follow have always tried to get in OMG moments rather than tell a story. Remember rickon dying, Stannis burning his daugher. There was no real storyline, they just wanted the shock factor and this season has basically been an extension of that.

If the scorpions were so effective how did dany and the 1 dragon take them apart like they didn't matter if they were easy to dodge why kill the dragon why not injure him. This show has had a history of retarding people to suit the plot. Tyrion one of the smartest people got turned into an idiot with IQ below 70 a few times at start of the war vs cersie so that it doesn't look lop sided. Cersie has varied from tywin lannister level of skullduggery to eddard stark level of naivety depending on what the story needed of her. Dumb and Dumber have butchered every character they have got.

It's not about the yeah moment, only people i see mentioning are people who liked the episode and think that is what others are criticizing. Dumb and Dumber have turned into wwe writers where every character has turned from his original motivation with no logic.

Dany is an astute ruler 1 minute, afraid the next, the next one she has gone crazy and is killing everyone in sight. Tyrion is a genius one moment, ***** the next and now follows a crazy queen with little qualms. That's not character progression that is character annahilation

Whole arc of Cersie and Jamie, from the maggie prophesy, to her hating and being scared of tyrion, jamie pushing bran of the roof for love has led to Jamie having to eventually kill Cersie you cannot have fan service moments with Battle of the ********, Cleganebowl and then deny the prophesy end for a stupid finish. Cersie is a woman who wants to win whatever the cost suddenly turning her into a afraid little woman is plain stupid.

All this without even thinking of what purpose has bran served outside of telling us who Jon is, the 3 eyed raven who does nothing.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

I pity the book fans because this is probably the only ending we are going to get.

D&D have made a complete mockery of Varys and Littlefinger, Stannis and Jaime. They have made Arya invulnerable. The dialogue has been terrible compared to the first 4 seasons. The show has foregone it's own logic.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

GRRM must have planned this

D&D said there were three *** moments told by GRRM, only one left. So danny turning mad and whatever will happen in the last episode must be GRRM idea.

Yes, Dany will turn mad in the books. It's already started with her last chapter in ADWD. It's been heavily foreshadowed.

But the show never really did anything about it. Except for maybe last season when she burned the Tarly's. But even up till 2 episodes ago, she was fine.

 

[WebGuru]

Breaker of chains? What a joke

 

[Robert]

I don't understand how people can seriously rate this episode....

- Samwell Tarly has killed more people than the entire Golden Company combined.
- Where did the Dothraki horde and the Unsullied army magically re-appear from? Didn't most if not all of them die in the Long Night?
- How is Jamie wandering around after being brutally stabbed TWICE?
- Arya's plot armor seems to be the strongest in history. After doing parkour immediately having been stabbed multiple times by the Waif in season 6, she seems to be immune to fire and tons of falling debris even when EVERYONE around her is crushed or burnt to death.
- Suddenly Euron's ship seem to be useless and cannot aim properly to hit the dragon even ONCE.

I can go on and on... what was the point of Bronn's arc in this season? What the hell has Bran done throughout the season considering the powers he has got? Has to be the most useless man in Westeros despite being a cripple. Jon successfully hiding behind a stone to protect himself from Viserion breath THAT ALMOST GOT THE ENTIRE FRIGGIN WALL DOWN and then getting up to childishly scream at it will go down as the most unintentionally funny moments I have seen in a great TV series.

It has been an absolute disaster of a season.

The Golden Company got nuked. I was roaring Drogon on at this point as I really thought he would die.


There was no Dothraki horde, just a few riders. Watch it again. Half the Unsullied survived the Long Night.

Fair point on Jaime. Though he and Cersei might not be dead. Arya still has to kill ‘green eyes’.

Dragons are smart. Drogon saw what happened to his brother and flew fast in evasive patterns down on the deck instead of cruising at a nice hittable altitude.

Bronn may yet have a part to play.

Three Eyed Ravens don’t do much but observe. His arc was done when he learned who Jon is.

Maybe wight-dragon breath only disintegrates what it touches. I saw Jon’s decision as accepting that his life was over and wanting to go out on his feet.

 

[yasir]

I honestly don’t know what people want. I saw a gripping story with a beloved character feel so abandoned that she causes a catastrophe. Poor Grey Worm was sucked in too, in anguish for his lost love, reminding me of the Charge of the Rohirrim - “Ride to ruin and the world’s end!” - Dany’s troops going mad and Jon powerless to rein them in.

Cleganebowl could have been done better. Have waited five years for that.

Circe could have had a more meaningful end - I hoped for a trial and defiant words from the old queen flung at the new.

There are so many holes, D&D (even if RR is behind it, then him too) did terrible job at ending the story. You cannot flip the character in last 5 mins like that, there has to be some level of honesty and integrity(in the name of surprise, they are doing stupid stuff, they have ruin the show). Dany was build for 8 seasons the Queen you want, they flip her to somebody worse than Hitler or Night King, why?? - Even Hitler would not go mad like that when he knew that city has surrender (he wanted to kill Jews, but that was specific target, that build for 20-30 years, not in 5 mins)...Dany, wiped out entire city(30 mins of city burning was unnecessary), reason given were hard to comprehend, its like I am listening to 5 years old, random and completely childish plot...

This is one of the worse possible ending, its not really an ending, its more reflection on them (D&D), then characters they build over 8 seasons...They don't know how to finish the show, writing was poor for few season, but ending is lot worse

 

[KingKhanWC]

Imagine actually defending this episode and season

Tbf the the action scenes were superb esp the fight between the mountain and his brother. The dragon flying through the town burning kids was pretty cool too.

But yes overall the producers have ruined what could have been an ATG series to a ok series. Surely something went wrong with the script and general writing. Tyrian talking to Cersie in ep4 telling her she is not a monster etc was so cringe and bad I've seen better in school play!

We live in times where people get excited with hype. If you hype up a slice of bread enough it will seem like the best slice ever to some.

 

[Robert]

There are so many holes, D&D (even if RR is behind it, then him too) did terrible job at ending the story. You cannot flip the character in last 5 mins like that, there has to be some level of honesty and integrity(in the name of surprise, they are doing stupid stuff, they have ruin the show). Dany was build for 8 seasons the Queen you want, they flip her to somebody worse than Hitler or Night King, why?? - Even Hitler would not go mad like that when he knew that city has surrender (he wanted to kill Jews, but that was specific target, that build for 20-30 years, not in 5 mins)...Dany, wiped out entire city(30 mins of city burning was unnecessary), reason given were hard to comprehend, its like I am listening to 5 years old, random and completely childish plot...

This is one of the worse possible ending, its not really an ending, its more reflection on them (D&D), then characters they build over 8 seasons...They don't know how to finish the show, writing was poor for few season, but ending is lot worse

There have been many hints that Dany could go full Targaryen - the masters’ heads on spikes, the conflagration in Vaes Dothrak, the execution of the Tarlys. Events conspired to tip her that way.

Though I think they should have had ten episodes not six - more time to tie it all up - I am enjoying season 8 more than 4 and 5. It’s got tremendous emotional wallop - like Ned Stark’s death or the Red Wedding, but concentrated and unrelenting.

 

[Robert]

Tbf the the action scenes were superb esp the fight between the mountain and his brother. The dragon flying through the town burning kids was pretty cool too.

But yes overall the producers have ruined what could have been an ATG series to a ok series. Surely something went wrong with the script and general writing. Tyrian talking to Cersie in ep4 telling her she is not a monster etc was so cringe and bad I've seen better in school play!

Weird - I was on the edge of my seat, heart in mouth - I thought his end had come as he appealed to her shred of humanity. Then Missandei’s death was a gut punch. I lost sleep over that.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Weird - I was on the edge of my seat, heart in mouth - I thought his end had come as he appealed to her shred of humanity. Then Missandei’s death was a gut punch. I lost sleep over that.

Missandei wasnt a great character, nice bit of eye candy but overly loyal to a queen who is pretty selfish and didn't even try to stop her head from being chopped off. But yes I agree the violent scenes were very good and had me in awe. It's just the dialogue and story has been pathetic all season. Surely you can see how smart and witty Tyrian was and how cool, calm and evil Cersie was but both have started talking rubbish, crying etc. The show has been ruined, most people agree on this.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

There is only a handful amount of time I can see a dragon spitting fire and annihilating everything in his way before becoming bored.

How about some emotional and dramatic scenes like Dany flying with the dragon over a crowd of people, the people crying, begging for mercy and kneeling. You get a close shot of the mad queens with bewildered eyes and deep breathing then clenching of the teeth, eyes widening and a loud shout DRACARYS.

A scene with Dany making eye contact with a mother and a child in her lap before raining fireball on them.

A scene with Dany mumbling "you don't love me? You don't love me? After all my kindness you don't live? Fine then have it your way. Fear it is! FEAR! DRACARYS! DRACARYS! DRACARYS!"

These things would have made the tragedy far more emotionally relatable then the current version where you are forced to feel emotions just because that's the logical thing to feel since the whole city is burning when in reality the scenes werent able to awoke much emotions.

This is not Karan Johar movie.

 

[shah_1]

This is not Karan Johar movie.

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[marlonbrowndo]

This is not Karan Johar movie.

The last 2 seasons have felt like it is. Especially when it comes to Jon’s secret and Sansa telling people. Dumb Bollywood esque drama

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Jon should have f. his aunty. Could have saved a lot of people

 

[marlonbrowndo]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] thoughts?

 

[Stewie]

Jon should have f. his aunty. Could have saved a lot of people

That was exactly the thought that came to my mind during the episode.

By the way, all I see right now is disgruntled people with sense of entitlement bashing the show. My recommendation is to cancel your subscription as a sign of protest before next week’s episode. I don’t think you can come up with a more effective way of making sure your complaints are heard.. if HBO gets hit with hundreds maybe thousands of cancellations before next weekend, they will know they screwed up.

But I won’t do it! Because I liked it.. sure it has flaws.. like the rest of us.. I am still chuckling over how All the queens scorpions and all the queens’ ships could not nail Drogon as he turned them into ashes.

 

[KingKhanWC]

That was exactly the thought that came to my mind during the episode.

By the way, all I see right now is disgruntled people with sense of entitlement bashing the show. My recommendation is to cancel your subscription as a sign of protest before next week’s episode. I don’t think you can come up with a more effective way of making sure your complaints are heard.. if HBO gets hit with hundreds maybe thousands of cancellations before next weekend, they will know they screwed up.

But I won’t do it! Because I liked it.. sure it has flaws.. like the rest of us.. I am still chuckling over how All the queens scorpions and all the queens’ ships could not nail Drogon as he turned them into ashes.

In the UK it's on one of the Sky Tv channels, no need to subscribe to anything extra. It's good this is the last series, imagine waiting another 18 months for scriptwriting out of Bollywood. Next series Jon snow will say there are clouds so let the dragons attack

 

[James]

Imagine actually defending this episode and season

Human beings have different subjective opinions about the objectively same thing..... quite normal.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=95766]leatherface58[/MENTION] Share your views wasn't that bad at all but the issue folk have with the double turn is the arc for each character prior to this and all the fickle dweebs wanted to see Dani as the all conquering face so you can understand their disgust. The writers probably wanted to keep things a little unpredictable and also this is the best way probably to clear the path for snow to take his place on the throne even though he doesn't want it.

 

[shaz619]

That was a bloody genocide! I hate the Khaleesi now, I hope we see her imminent death! which is to be expected hopefully!

 

[shaz619]

Got to say though, you have to be one real up tight sore loser to nit pick every little thing. Just enjoy the show and make better use of your life/energy, if it comes to it there is no shame in signing on the dough; better then being unemployed aunt agony my friends

 

[Stewie]

In the UK it's on one of the Sky Tv channels, no need to subscribe to anything extra. It's good this is the last series, imagine waiting another 18 months for scriptwriting out of Bollywood. Next series Jon snow will say there are clouds so let the dragons attack

Its a damn tv show and a good one.. I enjoyed it.. I don’t care.. I think people are just too emotionally invested with some things.. just enjoy the fireworks and the story and the turn of events. I loved the episode..

 

[Robert]

Missandei wasnt a great character, nice bit of eye candy but overly loyal to a queen who is pretty selfish and didn't even try to stop her head from being chopped off. But yes I agree the violent scenes were very good and had me in awe. It's just the dialogue and story has been pathetic all season. Surely you can see how smart and witty Tyrian was and how cool, calm and evil Cersie was but both have started talking rubbish, crying etc. The show has been ruined, most people agree on this.

Missandei's death was the catalyst for Dany going Mad Queen. I watched the last half-hour again - except Jon and Tyrion, everyone's hate conquered them and they went into kill overdrive that was terrifying and sad to see.

Tyrion was smart and witty to cope with being hated by his family, but his arc turned him into a statesman who tries to preserve life.

Cersei's evil demeanor fell away when she realised she was in a corner and hopelessly trapped. It humanised her to an extent - we saw the tiny sliver of goodness.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Its a damn tv show and a good one.. I enjoyed it.. I don’t care.. I think people are just too emotionally invested with some things.. just enjoy the fireworks and the story and the turn of events. I loved the episode..

Its the people who are too emotinally invested who are upset at any fair and genuine criticism. Such people set their alarm clocks here in the UK or count down the mins in the US for the next episode to watch.

The reason im critical is 1. It's has gone down hill and 2 it started as a great show desinted to one of the best but not anymore. If you like it and cant see how poor it has been this series, its a good form of ignorance in entertainment. Im happy for you.

Missandei's death was the catalyst for Dany going Mad Queen. I watched the last half-hour again - except Jon and Tyrion, everyone's hate conquered them and they went into kill overdrive that was terrifying and sad to see.

Tyrion was smart and witty to cope with being hated by his family, but his arc turned him into a statesman who tries to preserve life.

Cersei's evil demeanor fell away when she realised she was in a corner and hopelessly trapped. It humanised her to an extent - we saw the tiny sliver of goodness.

Thats not true, Dany made it clear to Sansa and other she will happily butcher or burn women and children if it meant taking Kings Landing, this was in the same episode but before her dragon was shot down and before Missi was caputured. It's a shame they didn't show her head close up being cut off, being such a pretty head.

Watch episode 4 when Tyrion leaves the hand and walks to beg Cersei to surrender. You could even see it on the actors face, he was almost embarrassed to have to spout such nonense which a child could have written. You cant be saying that was a great writing?

No Cersei was smart but didn't have any plan b which is not here.

They tried to rush the ending and ruined it, simples.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] thoughts?

In my opinion, it was the best episode of the season (along with episode 2). The final is now beautifully setup, and although the decision to kill Cersie in this episode was surprising, it makes sense in hindsight because the finale is all about the Song of Ice (Jon) & Fire (Daenerys).

Varys' story was also beautifully concluded and it was heavily foreshadowed last season. No one really knew what he wanted, but his loyalties were always with the people and he died with dignity for the greater good. Jon and Tyrion now realise that he was right and they will be the reason why she will not sit on the iron throne, so Varys eventually did succeed.

The poignant farewell between Arya and Hound was perhaps the best moment of the show, and I don't think it could have been any better. Hound vs Mountain was also brilliant.

Perhaps the only underwhelming aspect was the deaths of Jamie and Cersie. It felt anti-climatic - I had hoped for Jamie to fulfil the Valonqar prophecy and kill Cersie (while dying in the process), but perhaps both dying together in each others would do as well.

My major disappointment is that Jamie and Cersie never found out about Jon's true lineage and the secret marriage between Rhaeger and Lyanna. Cersie wanted to marry Rhaegar, but she was also quite happy to settle for Robert and wanted the marriage to work. However, Robert never gave the marriage a chance when he mentioned Lyanna's name on their wedding night.

Cersie never forgave Robert for loving Lyanna. She grew to resent him and that is why she never had any children with him. Had she found out that Robert's rebellion was built on a lie and Lyanna never loved Robert, she would have looked back at Robert and her married life with regret.

That one misconception, i.e. Lyanna loved Robert but Rhaegar kidnapped her defined her and her family's future, and perhaps Robert would have turned out to be a different man if he knew that Lyanna never loved her in the first place. I think D&D missed an opportunity of humanising her and never attempted to explore her side of the story. It would have allowed people to sympathise with her more.

As far as Jamie is concerned, it is implied in the books and the show that he wanted Ned Stark's respect. All his life, Jamie wanted to be known as a man of honour, and it was because of Ned Stark that he became known as the Kingslayer, who was the first man to see him sit on the iron throne after killing the Mad King. He respected Ned Stark's honour, and it is something that he wanted for himself as well.

During her meeting with Cersie, he did mock her by reminding that the honourable Ned Stark dishonoured her by bringing home a son from another woman. Thus, by finding out that Ned dishonoured himself in order to protect his nephew and honour the promise that he made to his sister, Jamie would have ended up respecting and regarding even more.

This is quite minor and would essentially not have impacted the story, but it is something that I wanted. I hope it will play out differently in the books.

 

[James]

Surely the mass slaughter on the ground was a depiction of wartime mob mentality, which has often been seen in real-life conflicts - indiscriminate killing, raping and pillaging, as if the invading force suddenly transforms into a rampant herd of wild animals.

RE Dany - it is after all a song of ice and fire, and the show had arrived at a point where “this town was no longer big enough for the both of them” - so either the Dragon Queen or Jon Snow had to go under; and whichever direction the writers took, there was always going to be a backlash.

At least Jon’s character arc looks like it will be completed neatly and coherently. Along with Dany he has been the main character since the first episode, so that part is fair enough.

 

[Sirris]

This is not Karan Johar movie.

Hahha no, it is not.

It's my own unique, wonderful and original idea of how it could have been more emotionally capitavinemotionally captivating.

 

[szrana007]

Drogon is going to fly away with Dany's body in the next episode.

 

[Mamoon]

I hope Drogon defies her in the next episode. Not as in killing her, but perhaps refuse if she decides to dracarys Jon or Tyrion.

In season 6 episode 2, Tyrion stated that "Dragons are more intelligent than men according to some maesters". This would be a lovely twist and it will make Daenerys realise the err of her ways more than Jon or Tyrion telling her that she shouldn't have done what she did. By blindly following her orders like a trained pet, Drogon is not really proving himself to be of superior intelligence.

It is quite obvious she will die in the finale and it was her destiny to become the Mad Queen, but her intentions were always to save the people and be a just ruler.

Her circumstances drew her to madness - she failed to cope with the sudden realisation that she is not the true heir to the iron throne as well as the death of Jorah, Missandei and her two dragons. All her struggle and everything she has worked for seem to be turning into ash in no time. She is an inherently good character and she deserves a moment of redemption before she dies.

 

[Mamoon]

Also, I forgot to add that along with the farewell between Arya and Hound, the farewell between Tyrion and Jamie was my favourite moment. It was beautifully executed - every single scene between these two has been a masterpiece.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I hope Drogon defies her in the next episode. Not as in killing her, but perhaps refuse if she decides to dracarys Jon or Tyrion.

In season 6 episode 2, Tyrion stated that "Dragons are more intelligent than men according to some maesters". This would be a lovely twist and it will make Daenerys realise the err of her ways more than Jon or Tyrion telling her that she shouldn't have done what she did. By blindly following her orders like a trained pet, Drogon is not really proving himself to be of superior intelligence.

It is quite obvious she will die in the finale and it was her destiny to become the Mad Queen, but her intentions were always to save the people and be a just ruler.

Her circumstances drew her to madness - she failed to cope with the sudden realisation that she is not the true heir to the iron throne as well as the death of Jorah, Missandei and her two dragons. All her struggle and everything she has worked for seem to be turning into ash in no time. She is an inherently good character and she deserves a moment of redemption before she dies.

There are no good characters in this show apart from Jon Snow. You dont burn down women and children after the town has surrended if you are a good person lol. Theon Greyjoy was shown as some great human being because he was defending the cripple but he hanged innocent children amongst other bad deeds previously.

 

[introvert]

Shouldn't a dragon fire burn & melt everything instead of blasting and blowing every freaking thing like a bomb especially stones ?

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

I hope Drogon defies her in the next episode. Not as in killing her, but perhaps refuse if she decides to dracarys Jon or Tyrion.

In season 6 episode 2, Tyrion stated that "Dragons are more intelligent than men according to some maesters". This would be a lovely twist and it will make Daenerys realise the err of her ways more than Jon or Tyrion telling her that she shouldn't have done what she did. By blindly following her orders like a trained pet, Drogon is not really proving himself to be of superior intelligence.

It is quite obvious she will die in the finale and it was her destiny to become the Mad Queen, but her intentions were always to save the people and be a just ruler.

Her circumstances drew her to madness - she failed to cope with the sudden realisation that she is not the true heir to the iron throne as well as the death of Jorah, Missandei and her two dragons. All her struggle and everything she has worked for seem to be turning into ash in no time. She is an inherently good character and she deserves a moment of redemption before she dies.

This is quite unlikely.

Drogon did not stop from burning down a whole city and killing thousands of innocent. Why would he stop burning Jon Snow and Tyrion?

More like might be Drogon tries to burn Jon Snow, but he cannot be burned. Might kill the dragon somehow.

 

[Sirris]

This is quite unlikely.

Drogon did not stop from burning down a whole city and killing thousands of innocent. Why would he stop burning Jon Snow and Tyrion?

More like might be Drogon tries to burn Jon Snow, but he cannot be burned. Might kill the dragon somehow.

Yes Drogon trying to burn Jon and him not getting burnt is THE epic moment I can't wait to watch. It would prove Jon's Targaryen blood for all. If this epic moment isn't added somewhere in the next episode then that would my biggest GoT disappointment.

 

[szrana007]

I still can't understand how Jon snow can kill Dany. I mean he is considered to be as honorable as Ned Stark, so how can he murder the woman he loved, who fought his war and also saved his life against the Night King ? Doesn't make sense at all. I can't help but think that this will ruin Jon snow's character arc.

 

[szrana007]

Yes Drogon trying to burn Jon and him not getting burnt is THE epic moment I can't wait to watch. It would prove Jon's Targaryen blood for all. If this epic moment isn't added somewhere in the next episode then that would my biggest GoT disappointment.

Jon isn't immune to fire. Back in season 1 his hand got burnt cause of the fire. Targaryens in general are not immune to fire, only Dany is shown to be fireproof.

 

[Sirris]

I still can't understand how Jon snow can kill Dany. I mean he is considered to be as honorable as Ned Stark, so how can he murder the woman he loved, who fought his war and also saved his life against the Night King ? Doesn't make sense at all. I can't help but think that this will ruin Jon snow's character arc.

Would Ned Stark have a person as his Queen who just burnt alive the whole city?

This season his character is already ruined and seems to be irrelevant. The least he can do is grow a spine amd bend things straight.

 

[Mamoon]

This is quite unlikely.

Drogon did not stop from burning down a whole city and killing thousands of innocent. Why would he stop burning Jon Snow and Tyrion?

More like might be Drogon tries to burn Jon Snow, but he cannot be burned. Might kill the dragon somehow.

Highly unlikely yes, but burning down King's Landing was necessary for her arc. Drogon acting on his own will can still happen and I hope it does.

 

[Syed1]

In typical GoT fashion the hero(Daenerys) has become the villain while you begun to have sympathy for the main villain (Cersei) as we saw the human side of her. I liked the episode. The PP members who are part of the Oscar Academy can keep crying

 

[Mamoon]

There are no good characters in this show apart from Jon Snow. You dont burn down women and children after the town has surrended if you are a good person lol. Theon Greyjoy was shown as some great human being because he was defending the cripple but he hanged innocent children amongst other bad deeds previously.

That is one of the best aspects of ASOIAF/GOT - there are very few (if any) truly good or bad characters. Most of them are victims of their circumstances. Black and white characters can be boring, and there are very few of them in this story. The point is that some people will sympathise with them while others will hate them.

 

[KingKhanWC]

That is one of the best aspects of ASOIAF/GOT - there are very few (if any) truly good or bad characters. Most of them are victims of their circumstances. Black and white characters can be boring, and there are very few of them in this story. The point is that some people will sympathise with them while others will hate them.

It depends on your moral compass and by what standards you are judging them. In most standards, a chap who hangs children, tortures people and generally has no issue killing cannot be seen in good light, therefore no grey just black. Remember Greyjoy was evil until his own torture. There are no real heros in this show apart from Jon Snow, the rest have all indulged in some immoral acts. The series seems to be set in a backward society where immoral acts including killing other people is just the norm. Im not sure why the show wants people to have multiple heros when only one character is truly deserving of the title.

 

[Slim]

I want what some people on this thread are smoking. Maybe it’s just denial. This season has almost universally been called trash. Most people are calling this the worst GOT episode ever and I have to agree. This and the one before this

Agree with you 100%. The show has been butchered this season.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Honestly the level of nihilism in the writing is so off putting. I love grim and depressing stuff but when it has a reason behind it.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Agree with you 100%. The show has been butchered this season.

The funniest part is when the sheep say that we are just crying or should stop watching the show. I swear there people either love lying to themselves or are just special. I’m fine with the minority of people who are enjoying this season but it’s hilarious when they try to convince others this season is actually good.

 

[waqar goraya]

This is not a bittersweet ending , it is only bitter.

I don't know what is the point of the next episode now. It is pretty clear that some one is going to kill Dany, the only point is how the show presents her character in the end.

GOT revolves around incest. Targaryans go mad for this reason, the story moves with Lannister incest. The background to the story is incest, then the same thing drives story forward and again it ends with humanizing one incestuous relationship and demonizing the other.

So, as per reports this is more or less Martin's ending. What nihilism ! and he calls it bittersweet......

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There is only a handful amount of time I can see a dragon spitting fire and annihilating everything in his way before becoming bored.

How about some emotional and dramatic scenes like Dany flying with the dragon over a crowd of people, the people crying, begging for mercy and kneeling. You get a close shot of the mad queens with bewildered eyes and deep breathing then clenching of the teeth, eyes widening and a loud shout DRACARYS.

A scene with Dany making eye contact with a mother and a child in her lap before raining fireball on them.

A scene with Dany mumbling "you don't love me? You don't love me? After all my kindness you don't live? Fine then have it your way. Fear it is! FEAR! DRACARYS! DRACARYS! DRACARYS!"

These things would have made the tragedy far more emotionally relatable then the current version where you are forced to feel emotions just because that's the logical thing to feel since the whole city is burning when in reality the scenes werent able to awoke much emotions.

This is pretty much my take on it as well. The whole episode was devoid of any genuine feel, it was almost like watching a B movie. The final season has been a let down, no two ways about it. It's almost as if the show's been handed to a bunch of totally different production team.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The funniest part is when the sheep say that we are just crying or should stop watching the show. I swear there people either love lying to themselves or are just special. I’m fine with the minority of people who are enjoying this season but it’s hilarious when they try to convince others this season is actually good.

Some people find joy from something and then get emotionally attached to the point they are unable to criticise, it happens.

Here we have one of the biggest moments when Tyrian runs up to his sister to convince her to surrender and save the city.

I know you don't care about your people.
Why should you? They hate you and you hate them.
But you're not a monster.
I know this.
I know this because I've seen it.
You've always loved your children.
More than yourself, more than Jaime more than anything.
I beg you.
If not for yourself, then for your child.
Your reign is over, but that doesn't mean your life has to end.
It doesn't mean your baby has to die.

I swear this was written by a child.

 

[waleed88]

These days its becoming trendy for people to hate on season 8.

Most of the articles go from 'oh that was poor writing' to 'oh that should'nt have happened so quickly' ...... *yawn*

Everyone likes to watch the show eagerly give their two cents on it, and then they say oh 'even we could've made it better'

Most of the fans are super annoying with their crazy and outlandish theories. I am glad this show was as straight forward and predictable as it could be. With a climatic twist in the end that would leave the fans with a bittersweet feeling.

If you haven't seen Daenerys turning mad queen, then you haven't been paying attention.

She always had that Targayrean gene in her, she just had people she confided to that really kept her impulses in check.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Honestly the level of nihilism in the writing is so off putting. I love grim and depressing stuff but when it has a reason behind it.

I never had a problem with the nihilism, that was what the story was meant to convey, just think this season we have seen what were great characters just going through the motions as we roll towards the end credits. Maybe it was inevitable as the final battles were always going to be mostly crashing buildings and burning fires, but there have been battles before such as Blackwater and the Battle of the B's which had the same amount of action, but managed to convey some emotion and dialogue which made them outstanding episodes rather than a forgettable dirge.

 

[Stewie]

Its always trendy to be negative on social media and bash anything and everything under the sun.

 

[shah_1]

I don't think there is anything wrong with this episode. This is what is going to happen in the next episode according to the leak.

Spoiler

Bran being the king and Jon going again to night watch(to do what?).

All this fighting over 8 seasons and you see a crippled boy with no personality and has done absolutely done nothing in this show. What was the whole point of R + L=J

What a sad and pathetic ending if sources are true. Most of the leaks have been correct so far

 

[AFM]

the farewell between Tyrion and Jamie was my favourite moment. It was beautifully executed - every single scene between these two has been a masterpiece.

Except for the fact that this is not their relationship in the books.

 

[Stewie]

Its always trendy to be negative on social media and bash anything and everything under the sun.

I don't think there is anything wrong with this episode. This is what is going to happen in the next episode according to the leak.

Spoiler

Bran being the king and Jon going again to night watch(to do what?).

All this fighting over 8 seasons and you see a crippled boy with no personality and has done absolutely done nothing in this show. What was the whole point of R + L=J

What a sad and pathetic ending if sources are true. Most of the leaks have been correct so far

I think anticipating the leaks, the showrunners probably filmed multiple endings for the finale. So the events towards the middle were true to the leaks but they may surprise us in the finale.

 

[shah_1]

I think anticipating the leaks, the showrunners probably filmed multiple endings for the finale. So the events towards the middle were true to the leaks but they may surprise us in the finale.

Hopefully there is a better ending

 

[Stewie]

Hopefully there is a better ending

My sentiment exactly.. or at least provide a good justification for how it all ends.. would love to get some explanation about the night king as well. But I know that aint happening!

 

[Mamoon]

It depends on your moral compass and by what standards you are judging them. In most standards, a chap who hangs children, tortures people and generally has no issue killing cannot be seen in good light, therefore no grey just black. Remember Greyjoy was evil until his own torture. There are no real heros in this show apart from Jon Snow, the rest have all indulged in some immoral acts. The series seems to be set in a backward society where immoral acts including killing other people is just the norm. Im not sure why the show wants people to have multiple heros when only one character is truly deserving of the title.

I don't think the intention of the writers (Martin and D&D) is to have multiple heroes. the character arcs of Cersie, Jamie, Theon, Daenerys etc. is to show that no one is inherently evil or good, and it is the circumstances that propel them to either spectrum.

Apart from the Knight King, the motivation of every so-called evil character has been explained and justified, and it is up to the audience to make their judgement. That is why there are people like you who despise the likes of Theon, Cersie, Jamie, Daenerys etc., and there are people who sympathise and even like them.

Theon betrayed the Starks to prove himself to his father, and his own sufferings made him realise that he was wrong. After that point, he did everything he could to help them.

Cersie did not have children with Robert because he loved Lyanna, and whatever she did during the timeline of the show was to protect her children. Even during her last moments, she cried not for her life but because she yet again failed to protect her child.

Jamie murdered his king to save his father and the city, he slept with his sister and crippled a child. However, after losing his sword hand, he realised that he is not invincible and he lost his arrogance. He honoured the promise he made to Catelyn Stark and honoured the promise of fighting the dead. Ultimately, his major weakness was his love for his sister, and that eventually cost him his life.

Varys, after getting emasculated, grew up as a thief. However, he learned to be loyal to the common man and he strove to have a just ruler on the iron throne.

You could go on and on about pretty much any character. It is a great disservice to the writers to claim that they want multiple heroes in this show or that Jon is the only good character.

All of them are beautifully written characters. There are no heroes or villains in this show, only people who are victims of their circumstances.