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What an episode, it was like a film on it's own.

Interesting to see what happens next after that brilliant episode.
 
Robert said:
I wonder what with? Yara doesn't have much of a fleet, and Dany’s land forces have been shattered.
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I can't see a bigger battle scale wise, you had the land forces in Winterfell wiped out with barely a second glance, or at least the foreign looking ones. The Dothraki spent seven seasons crossing the seas for Dany and were extinguished in about 30 seconds in the dark with less fanfare than blowing out a match.

I think the final battle will be more close up and personal with more focus on individuals and will be all the better for it in my opinion. I wasn't a fan of the battle of Winterfell, I thought previous battles like Blackwater and the battle of the B's were superior because they were more character driven, and for me that is what has always been the real strength of GOT.
 
So episode 4 is leaked and some guys are sharing these low quality clips on my Twitter timeline :/

Mountain is going to behead a major character...
 
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Hardly a major spoiler. Its expected major characters will die in every episode until the end now.

Having watched the previous episode again, it was average. I hope they redeem themselves tonight because if the last few are the same it would have ruined a very good series.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Hardly a major spoiler. Its expected major characters will die in every episode until the end now.

Having watched the previous episode again, it was average. I hope they redeem themselves tonight because if the last few are the same it would have ruined a very good series.
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A theory is going around that there is a chance of another WW appearance in remaining episodes (not sure how) and also Emila said in an interview that Episode 5 is bugger and better thn Ep 3.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Hardly a major spoiler. Its expected major characters will die in every episode until the end now.

Having watched the previous episode again, it was average. I hope they redeem themselves tonight because if the last few are the same it would have ruined a very good series.
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Bro different people have different degree of sensitivity level. It's not the end of the world kinda spoiler but still annoying.
 
WebGuru said:
A theory is going around that there is a chance of another WW appearance in remaining episodes (not sure how) and also Emila said in an interview that Episode 5 is bugger and better thn Ep 3.
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That would be pretty stupid if one turns up. You kill the NK and they all die, so how can they justify such a thing?

Im hoping Bran or one of the Stark family die tonight, has to be the most annoying family in T.V history.
 
KingKhanWC said:
That would be pretty stupid if one turns up. You kill the NK and they all die, so how can they justify such a thing?

Im hoping Bran or one of the Stark family die tonight, has to be the most annoying family in T.V history.
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Cersei will use the time stone
 
KingKhanWC said:
That would be pretty stupid if one turns up. You kill the NK and they all die, so how can they justify such a thing?

Im hoping Bran or one of the Stark family die tonight, has to be the most annoying family in T.V history.
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Bran is useless but they can't kill him in the show because of the obvious reason (he knows everything in the past and they need him plus it will look stupid to kill him now after killing NK). Sansa deserve to die she is the most useless Stark. Other member of Stark family at least got some powers/skills but Sansa got nothing don't know why they kept her alive till this season.
 
They were even talking about it in the match today.... Such is the appeal of the show.



Yet we have experts on here who are part of the Oscar Academy and the show writers should consult them before making the show :))
 
Thinking of waking up at 7 or 8, putting the HD torrent on download and sleeping again
 
Some disturbing leaks out there. Apparently the episode was leaked on amazon in Germany hours before scheduled time. And a major character death is spoilt in a video clip floating out there. I am not happy to hear about the death.
 
Thank God I avoid social media, it would have ruined this series for me. The first three episodes of the final season have not impressed so far, hopefully there's better to come.
 
Stewie said:
Some disturbing leaks out there. Apparently the episode was leaked on amazon in Germany hours before scheduled time. And a major character death is spoilt in a video clip floating out there. I am not happy to hear about the death.
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This ezcites me if true. Anyway. No more social media till the episode is seen. Love being in Pak for the summer but watching GOT is a pain....
 
Finally a great episode thanks to Tyrion and Varys...
 
Honestly it did have some weak points. Especially in the last 20 minutes. But all the scenes in the North and with Tyrion and Varys were really nice
 
Next episode trailer looks awesome too and it looks like Tyrion will have a bigger role in it as well. So in the end GoT team finally realized Tyrion can save the season for them with all these weak points. God knows why they kept him in shadows for last few seasons :facepalm:
 
Spoilers are out and everything was ditto as mentioned on reddit spoiler thread. Pretty good idea on how this will all end.
 
Tyrion and Varys scenes made this episode.. this was high quality work..
 
DAMN!

That's why I preferred the living vs living fights. So much more drama, emotions and entertaining. While the deads were spooky looking but only had the power of outnumbering.

For me it was the best episode in this season so far.
 
Also loved and had a big chuckle at the way Arya rejected the soy-boy Gendry. Big LOL moment of the episode.
 
Man why they gotta do our boy Rhaegal in like that. That was an even more brutal death than Viserion's. No dragon for Jon it seems. Been a while since I've been sad about a GoT death, and that was some classical GoT unexpectedness as well

Solid episode. Maintained the tension very well.
 
All the leaks have have been true so far

Is this how GRRM planned to end this? I don't like the ending at all
 
shah_1 said:
All the leaks have have been true so far

Is this how GRRM planned to end this? I don't like the ending at all
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The timelines and methods maybe different in the book but the end result will be similar I think. What’s not to like about how things are progressing? We knew most characters will die after they achieved their purpose and the bad guys will lose in the end. It’s heading in a pretty formulaic and expected direction as most fans prefer the good wins in the end vs the bad. Most people I know are enjoying how things are turning out..
 
No wonder Martin doesn't want to end the books.

The closer you get to the end, the terrible it gets.
 
Stewie said:
The timelines and methods maybe different in the book but the end result will be similar I think. What’s not to like about how things are progressing? We knew most characters will die after they achieved their purpose and the bad guys will lose in the end. It’s heading in a pretty formulaic and expected direction as most fans prefer the good wins in the end vs the bad. Most people I know are enjoying how things are turning out..
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There is nothing good about the ending according to the leaks. The whole story sounds pointless.
 
Stewie said:
The timelines and methods maybe different in the book but the end result will be similar I think. What’s not to like about how things are progressing? We knew most characters will die after they achieved their purpose and the bad guys will lose in the end. It’s heading in a pretty formulaic and expected direction as most fans prefer the good wins in the end vs the bad. Most people I know are enjoying how things are turning out..
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You are so wrong because GRRM doesn't have any "bad guys" in his books and so no the books will not end up like this and those that are enjoying how its turning out so far are probably people who have never read the books. The show is good fanfiction but it isn't A Song of Ice and Fire. It's just not. It has failed miserably.
 
If anyone wants to know how will it end? So far proven to be true for episode 4. I read this by mistake on twitter:ashwin
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One of worst ending ever of any TV series. I hope that this isn't true
 
Episode 8.4 is very much a return to the greatest days of this extraordinary show. I was shaking by the end.
 
uberkoen said:
You are so wrong because GRRM doesn't have any "bad guys" in his books and so no the books will not end up like this and those that are enjoying how its turning out so far are probably people who have never read the books. The show is good fanfiction but it isn't A Song of Ice and Fire. It's just not. It has failed miserably.
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I never said that.. I said the end result
Will be the same but the method might be different.

And there are always good guys and bad guys. It’s just to the reader’s or fans interpretation. You can classify some as anti villains or anti heroes or whatever but in the end it is good guys vs bad guys. Unless you are telling me somehow Cersei, the mountain and euron are portrayed as half good half evil in the books...
 
Fantastic episode, an instant classic - up there with the best.
 
Just watched it and wow what an absolutely brilliant episode...

Amazing....
 
Some of the critics (as well as the usual IMDb rabble) are now fully gunning for this show and do not wish to give it a slither of praise, even in its finer moments. Sad.
 
shah_1 said:
If anyone wants to know how will it end? So far proven to be true for episode 4. I read this by mistake on twitter:ashwin
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If this ending is true, which I fear it is as previous leaks have proven to be true, then the show's producers deserve to put in a room with Drogon and the Mountain.
 
I am quite surprised to see the adulation. In my opinion, this was the weakest episode of the season and of the the weakest in the show’s glorious history.

- Too many unnecessary love scenes.

- Bran telling Sansa and Arya about Jon was one of the most important moments in the history of this show. It is absolutely ludicrous that they did it off-screen.

Sansa telling Tyrion and Tyrion telling Varys off-screen was understandable but the not the above.

Perhaps if they wouldn’t wasted a few minutes on Tormund getting laid and also convincing the Hound of doing the same, they would have had the time to produce one of the most significant moments in the show.

- The scene between Bronn, Jamie and Tyrion was very poorly executed. They tried too hard to play the “Bronn is a heartless sell-sword who only cares about gold” angle and it seemed forced.

Bronn punching Tyrion and then claiming he knows when he breaks a nose was also a clumsy attempt at humor which was not needed.

It was a poignant moment between three people with so much history, but the dialogues were poor.

Compare this to the scene between Tyrion and Bronn when he refused to fight the Mountain for him, the different in quality is stark (pun intended).

- Jon should have had a moment with Ghost instead of simply handing the leash to Tormund as if it was a random dog that he had kept in his house for a few months.

I usually don’t put much thought into the assessment that D&D are lost without Martin, but I have to admit after the last episode, I have to agree that they are butchering the show except for the battles which are of still the highest quality.

All of these are besides the following minor goof-ups that should have been avoided in a show of this quality and fan following.

- They made 6 episodes in 2 years, and they forgot to hide the Starbucks cup next Daenerys.

- Gendry is technically not Rivers.

The episode did have a few redeeming moments, which is why I would give it a 5/10, which is probably the lowest I can give to a GoT episode.
 
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shah_1 said:
If anyone wants to know how will it end? So far proven to be true for episode 4. I read this by mistake on twitter:ashwin
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I think they are deliberately trolling with that ending. Surely Martin and D&D cannot be that idiotic.
 
Heisenberg111 said:
If this ending is true, which I fear it is as previous leaks have proven to be true, then the show's producers deserve to put in a room with Drogon and the Mountain.
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If that ending isn’t a troll attempt, Martin will have to cop the blame. D&D are taking cinematic liberties but not to the extent where they can complete change the ending.
 
Mamoon said:
If that ending isn’t a troll attempt, Martin will have to cop the blame. D&D are taking cinematic liberties but not to the extent where they can complete change the ending.
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Till ep4 this lead has been totally accurate Martin is saving his real ending for the books and takingD&D for a ride.
 
Xoib said:
Till ep4 this lead has been totally accurate Martin is saving his real ending for the books and takingD&D for a ride.
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They are probably deliberately trolling and holding back the actual ending. This is so stupid surely it can’t be true, and Martin will never mislead D&D like that.

A lot of people have started to read the books because of the show, and if this is the ending, some people will probably not even bother to buy the last two books.
 
Is there any popular TV series that has had a perfect or satisfying ending? HBO's The Night Of was great till the last episode, a total damp squib. The Bodyguard was another hit show with a dud finish.

Going by the spoilers above, GoT is going to join the long list of critically acclaimed shows with a limp ending.
 
The Sopranos was another show with a highly controversial ending.

Breaking Bad’s ending is decent.

Six Feet Under has a magnificent ending.
 
Thomaskutty said:
Is there any popular TV series that has had a perfect or satisfying ending? HBO's The Night Of was great till the last episode, a total damp squib. The Bodyguard was another hit show with a dud finish.

Going by the spoilers above, GoT is going to join the long list of critically acclaimed shows with a limp ending.
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The Shield, Breaking Bad and Six feet under had great finales.
 
If the spoilers are accurate then GOT will go down in history as most ruined show by having a trash ending. D&D's career as writers would be seen as a joke. I really can't see it ending this way, but at the same time, I could see them thinking this is some sort of edgy and cool way to twist the show. When in reality it would be a pile of garbage. No way this ends like this.
 
Mamoon said:
They are probably deliberately trolling and holding back the actual ending. This is so stupid surely it can’t be true, and Martin will never mislead D&D like that.

A lot of people have started to read the books because of the show, and if this is the ending, some people will probably not even bother to buy the last two books.
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Actually more people will buy the last two books, solely for the reason to have a shot at getting a more satisfying ending than the show.
 
szrana said:
Actually more people will buy the last two books, solely for the reason to have a shot at getting a more satisfying ending than the show.
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If Bran ending up on the throne is Martin’s call, I highly doubt if the ending could be satisfying in any possible way. At least I won’t be buying the last two books.
 
Can’t believe they left a Starbucks coffee on the set ��
 
Mamoon said:
I think they are deliberately trolling with that ending. Surely Martin and D&D cannot be that idiotic.
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These spoilers were out even before episode 4 came out and it was pretty much accurate.

It might not be 100% but it should be 90% accurate. Anyways, OP shouldn't have posted it here. People will be tempted to read regardless of the spoiler tag. It would ruin everything for those who wanted to stay away from it.
 
Did not like the episode at all:

- This is like what the third or fourth time Euron shows up out of nowhere and destroys everything without any casualty? How they also conveniently captured Missandei (how do they even know who/what she looks like?)

-Also more ridiculous how two dragons in the air didn't see a massive fleet (don't give me the ** excuse they hid behind rocks lol) and Euron was able to 3/3 hit Rhaegal while the ships moving and dragons flying but could not hit a straight target Drogon coming right at him

- Cersei not destroying Dany and her 60 Unsullied at the end when she had the opportunity with her 20,000 mercenaries and balistae (while Drogon was just chilling at the back).

- They have made Tyrion an idiot as each episode passes

- The Bronn interaction made no sense and was just completely out of character lol

- Sansa not able to keep her mouth shut and becoming the manipulative person she despises

- How non-chalant they are about their ultimate assassin and not involving her in the future battle lol

- Jon just abandons his wolf without even an interaction

- They have built up Dany for 8 seasons as someone who wants to shed her father's legacy and become a different ruler, but they seem to want to trash that within 2-3 episodes and have her go the 'Mad Queen' route

Read the spoilers for the finale, the writers should be banned from ever being involved in any future projects.
 
I almost entirely agree with the above post and in all honesty, as the books ended and the show moved away from them completely, this has been the case over and over again. GoT has gone from being a unique show (because of its connections to the books, to becoming nothing more than a series of cheap TV tropes 9last minute saves, poor romance, terrible plotting and boring characters.

The only saving grace of the episode was Tyron/Varys.
 
shah_1 said:
If anyone wants to know how will it end? So far proven to be true for episode 4. I read this by mistake on twitter:ashwin
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If this is the ending then it is very bad. According to Martin his ending is going to be bittersweet, and this is not only bitter but stupid. For me a good ending would be either Jon or Danny dying and the other taking the throne.
 
Somehow this feels like they are rushing things.

For first 6-7 season it felt like nothing was happened. Things were slowly build up. So many great storylines.

Season 8 has been crap so far.

They just killed the dragon and see how nicely every shot hit the dragon. Also the dragon flying nicely low for Euron to hit them. And then 10-12 scorpions hit arrow at Dani, but none hit the dragon. LOL. Why fly low in the first place. If you fly higher you have better view of enemy ships as well. So stupid.

The Bronn scene was dumb as well.
 
The ending spoilt here does not make sense at all.

8 seasons of murder and battles and the throne will be gifted away by a council???? LOLOLOLOL.

Also they said they filmed 3-4 endings so people could not be able to spoil the ending.


Killing Messendei... Hope Greworm puts a spear in Cercei ***.
 
Also, what was the point in showing Euron destroying their fleet when Dany & Co reappears in front of King's Landing in the very next scene (how did they get from Storm's End to KL). Also in regard to KL, they looked like they were back in Essos with a random desert that was never there :))
 
Thomaskutty said:
Is there any popular TV series that has had a perfect or satisfying ending? HBO's The Night Of was great till the last episode, a total damp squib. The Bodyguard was another hit show with a dud finish.

Going by the spoilers above, GoT is going to join the long list of critically acclaimed shows with a limp ending.
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Breaking Bad
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
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You have also read the books. I was watching IMDB video by the title " Game of Thrones only gets darker from here".

In the book, A clash of titans, there is a prophecy, around Dany's visions in the house of undying, "three treasons you will know.... once for bold and once for gold and once for love".

In the same video they predict the same sort of ending that the above spoiler mentions.

Furthermore, Sapochnik the director of Battle of ********, Hardhome, The long night has directed the 5th episode which means that most likely the fight will be over by the end of this episode and only some final political and character ending will take place in the Finale.

Again this does not contradict the spoiler.

One thing is certain that we always knew Danny would get very close but won't get the throne.

Nevertheless, turning Danny a villain within 2 episodes would mean GOT's certain shock twists gone too far! I am already feeling very unsatisfied.
 
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Btw, I love Danny's facial expressions of anger + grief. Emilia Clarke is not so bad after all.
 
Mamoon said:
I am quite surprised to see the adulation. In my opinion, this was the weakest episode of the season and of the the weakest in the show’s glorious history.

- Too many unnecessary love scenes.

- Bran telling Sansa and Arya about Jon was one of the most important moments in the history of this show. It is absolutely ludicrous that they did it off-screen.

Sansa telling Tyrion and Tyrion telling Varys off-screen was understandable but the not the above.

Perhaps if they wouldn’t wasted a few minutes on Tormund getting laid and also convincing the Hound of doing the same, they would have had the time to produce one of the most significant moments in the show.

- The scene between Bronn, Jamie and Tyrion was very poorly executed. They tried too hard to play the “Bronn is a heartless sell-sword who only cares about gold” angle and it seemed forced.

Bronn punching Tyrion and then claiming he knows when he breaks a nose was also a clumsy attempt at humor which was not needed.

It was a poignant moment between three people with so much history, but the dialogues were poor.

Compare this to the scene between Tyrion and Bronn when he refused to fight the Mountain for him, the different in quality is stark (pun intended).

- Jon should have had a moment with Ghost instead of simply handing the leash to Tormund as if it was a random dog that he had kept in his house for a few months.

I usually don’t put much thought into the assessment that D&D are lost without Martin, but I have to admit after the last episode, I have to agree that they are butchering the show except for the battles which are of still the highest quality.

All of these are besides the following minor goof-ups that should have been avoided in a show of this quality and fan following.

- They made 6 episodes in 2 years, and they forgot to hide the Starbucks cup next Daenerys.

- Gendry is technically not Rivers.

The episode did have a few redeeming moments, which is why I would give it a 5/10, which is probably the lowest I can give to a GoT episode.
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One of the worst episodes of the season and ever, and the show has gone to the toilet since the show overtook the books.

The writing is pathetic. So many loose ends not to be tied up, stupid plot like Arya who couldn't get passed 5 of the dead literally 20 minutes before, then she gets passed an army, and the build up for 8 seasons of this 8000 year old enemy, is defeated by a girl who spent a few months with some guy we will likely never see again, and whose entire plotline made little to no sense. Then there is the ridiculous dialogue, and confusing decision making.

Dany in one minute has freed all these slaves, fought for years to get to this point, and all of a sudden Varys thinks she is a mistake? Literally 5 days ago she was the greatest things on the planet. Hey sisters, promise you won't tell, and all of a sudden it's highschool and hey don't tell anybody spread of information. No shocking moments anymore, I mean this huge battle at Winterfell, and what happens, bunch of side characters die? This show was built on always keeping you guessing, but now this Hallmark ending is on the way. Dany is on a dragon and can't see a bunch of ships because it's hiding behind a rock?

And Euron, the stupidest most overacted character I can remember, goes from the greatest shot in the history of everything, to then missing Dany when she is right beside him? And these arrows are the strongest weapon ever as they destroy ships with ease? That dragon advantage was thrown in the trash quickly, because otherwise it would be a joke, so let's create a weapon that makes little sense.

Cersei cares little for the rules of war, so 20 men, and a dragon that is easily defeated with the death arrows and she could have finished it right there.

20 minutes of romance this episode which felt very awkward and forced.

Sansa and Arya hate Dany because what? They don't like her attitude? What about her track record in Mireen and all she has done. Literally Sansa is just annoyed without any reason. Dany is not a Baratheon, she literally had struggled all the way to get where she was, but hey, need to create pointless tension.

"John you bent the knee like a *****", yeah, well, if he didn't then everyone would be dead, and you can see why, but still you hate Dany because.... He proved to you the Whitewalkers were a true threat, and then when they are defeated you go against your word, which for some is either make or break, or all of a sudden irrelevant?

Arya who can change into anyone is not going to be used in this war, no one even questions how she did what she did. She killed the Fray's by infiltrating them, but nope, let's just not even question how she did what she did.

Bran is just this walking ***. There are two episodes left, so I doubt they really give him a big role. As of now what has he done? Been bait? He didn't even become one of the dragons. He has no emotions or doesn't care so then his role is......

Winter is coming, what winter, an episode of it?

Howland Reed, and the Reed family, were not a part of anything. He was the one who killed Ser Arthur Dayne and they supported the Starks, but he is just irrelevant?

Where is that baby that was turned into a walker?

Who was the Night King?

I can go on and on, but you can tell once the show overtook the books, that they literally went Lost and said F certain storylines and leave them unanswered.
 
Ilan Bluestone said:
One of the worst episodes of the season and ever, and the show has gone to the toilet since the show overtook the books.

The writing is pathetic. So many loose ends not to be tied up, stupid plot like Arya who couldn't get passed 5 of the dead literally 20 minutes before, then she gets passed an army, and the build up for 8 seasons of this 8000 year old enemy, is defeated by a girl who spent a few months with some guy we will likely never see again, and whose entire plotline made little to no sense. Then there is the ridiculous dialogue, and confusing decision making.

Dany in one minute has freed all these slaves, fought for years to get to this point, and all of a sudden Varys thinks she is a mistake? Literally 5 days ago she was the greatest things on the planet. Hey sisters, promise you won't tell, and all of a sudden it's highschool and hey don't tell anybody spread of information. No shocking moments anymore, I mean this huge battle at Winterfell, and what happens, bunch of side characters die? This show was built on always keeping you guessing, but now this Hallmark ending is on the way. Dany is on a dragon and can't see a bunch of ships because it's hiding behind a rock?

And Euron, the stupidest most overacted character I can remember, goes from the greatest shot in the history of everything, to then missing Dany when she is right beside him? And these arrows are the strongest weapon ever as they destroy ships with ease? That dragon advantage was thrown in the trash quickly, because otherwise it would be a joke, so let's create a weapon that makes little sense.

Cersei cares little for the rules of war, so 20 men, and a dragon that is easily defeated with the death arrows and she could have finished it right there.

20 minutes of romance this episode which felt very awkward and forced.

Sansa and Arya hate Dany because what? They don't like her attitude? What about her track record in Mireen and all she has done. Literally Sansa is just annoyed without any reason. Dany is not a Baratheon, she literally had struggled all the way to get where she was, but hey, need to create pointless tension.

"John you bent the knee like a *****", yeah, well, if he didn't then everyone would be dead, and you can see why, but still you hate Dany because.... He proved to you the Whitewalkers were a true threat, and then when they are defeated you go against your word, which for some is either make or break, or all of a sudden irrelevant?

Arya who can change into anyone is not going to be used in this war, no one even questions how she did what she did. She killed the Fray's by infiltrating them, but nope, let's just not even question how she did what she did.

Bran is just this walking ***. There are two episodes left, so I doubt they really give him a big role. As of now what has he done? Been bait? He didn't even become one of the dragons. He has no emotions or doesn't care so then his role is......

Winter is coming, what winter, an episode of it?

Howland Reed, and the Reed family, were not a part of anything. He was the one who killed Ser Arthur Dayne and they supported the Starks, but he is just irrelevant?

Where is that baby that was turned into a walker?

Who was the Night King?

I can go on and on, but you can tell once the show overtook the books, that they literally went Lost and said F certain storylines and leave them unanswered.
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The biggest problem has been the abrupt change in pace. The first 5 seasons matched the pace and the style of Martin’s writing, but they have been on fast forward ever since they didn’t have the vastness of his imagination to work with.

This should have been a 9 seasons affair, and both season 8 and season 9 should have had 10 episodes each.

Season 8 should have been about the White Walkers and Season 9 should have been about the final war in King’s Landing and the power struggle between Jon and Danny.

This would have allowed them to address the plethora of unanswered questions. The big mistake on D&D’s part was that they did not foresee that their show would eventually overtake Martin’s work.

Had they taken that into consideration, they would probably have paced the first 5 seasons better and ignored certain plot points that they wouldn’t have been able to address later because of the lack of time.
 
The scenes between Tyrion and Varys were good. But the rest was pretty bad. Too much time wasted on love scenes and too much plot holes like how did tyrion, Danny and co survive the arrows fired by Euron? Why would somebody who has no morals like Cersei not kill Danny whilst she had the chance?
 
Loved ep 4.

A classic GOT episode with politics, emotions and a little battle.

How our Sansa channeled her inner Lord Baelish and started another 'Game of Thrones'.

After a long time a real GOT episode. Hopefully the final two will be good as well.
 
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Also loved and had a big chuckle at the way Arya rejected the soy-boy Gendry. Big LOL moment of the episode.
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I thought that was one of the weaker parts to be honest. The Gendry/Arya chemistry just isn't there, if anything there was more in the earlier series where she was still to young to think of him that way.

Other than that though, a return to what has always been best about this series, and that is the power plays between those vying for the throne. But we lost another dragon and I am thinking now we will see them all wiped out along with Dany and her tenuous grip on her claim.
 
GenericBrand said:
Did not like the episode at all:

- This is like what the third or fourth time Euron shows up out of nowhere and destroys everything without any casualty? How they also conveniently captured Missandei (how do they even know who/what she looks like?)

-Also more ridiculous how two dragons in the air didn't see a massive fleet (don't give me the ** excuse they hid behind rocks lol) and Euron was able to 3/3 hit Rhaegal while the ships moving and dragons flying but could not hit a straight target Drogon coming right at him

- Cersei not destroying Dany and her 60 Unsullied at the end when she had the opportunity with her 20,000 mercenaries and balistae (while Drogon was just chilling at the back).

- They have made Tyrion an idiot as each episode passes

- The Bronn interaction made no sense and was just completely out of character lol

- Sansa not able to keep her mouth shut and becoming the manipulative person she despises

- How non-chalant they are about their ultimate assassin and not involving her in the future battle lol

- Jon just abandons his wolf without even an interaction

- They have built up Dany for 8 seasons as someone who wants to shed her father's legacy and become a different ruler, but they seem to want to trash that within 2-3 episodes and have her go the 'Mad Queen' route

Read the spoilers for the finale, the writers should be banned from ever being involved in any future projects.
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Agree about the Bronn scene, that also looked out of place. Just came out of nowhere and did look out of character.
 
waqar goraya said:
Btw, I love Danny's facial expressions of anger + grief. Emilia Clarke is not so bad after all.
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She’s an excellent actress, always has been. A lot of young men don’t like her because they are incels scared of a powerful, beautiful young woman.
 
Mamoon said:
The biggest problem has been the abrupt change in pace. The first 5 seasons matched the pace and the style of Martin’s writing, but they have been on fast forward ever since they didn’t have the vastness of his imagination to work with.

This should have been a 9 seasons affair, and both season 8 and season 9 should have had 10 episodes each.

Season 8 should have been about the White Walkers and Season 9 should have been about the final war in King’s Landing and the power struggle between Jon and Danny.

This would have allowed them to address the plethora of unanswered questions. The big mistake on D&D’s part was that they did not foresee that their show would eventually overtake Martin’s work.

Had they taken that into consideration, they would probably have paced the first 5 seasons better and ignored certain plot points that they wouldn’t have been able to address later because of the lack of time.
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This.

The last two seasons are so obviously rushed...I'm not sure how or why some people refuse to see the drop off from the first seasons.

This episode, whilst it had some good moments, and moved the plot forward (very quickly), summed up just how poorly the writers are getting to the endgame.

I don't understand the point of Bronn at all. Why take him up north? I am sure they will get back to him at some point, but it felt so forced to see him turn up out of nowhere...conveniently just after the battle.

Jamie suddenly turns from an honourable knight, to finally sleeping with Brienne, to going back to Cercei over the course of what, 2 nights? And for what...I suspect they want to move him to KL to deal with Cercei...but the character arc needs time to be believable.

Arya doesn't feature, an no one seems to care. Sansa blurts out Jon's secret within minutes of finding out. Missandei somehow gets abducted and back to KL in next to no time. Euron turns up out of nowhere, and does something no one has been able to do in centuries, and kill a dragon with three perfect shots....whilst failing to hit Drogon once, despite the whole fleet firing at him. Dany goes from 7 seasons of building up to be the saviour, learning how to rule, freeing the slaves, etc - to becoming just another tyrant in the space of four episodes.

I will reiterate, I liked Game of Thrones because it was strangely 'realistic' for a fantasy themed show. This has now gone so far off the rails, its sad.
 
Zahid87 said:
This.

The last two seasons are so obviously rushed...I'm not sure how or why some people refuse to see the drop off from the first seasons.

This episode, whilst it had some good moments, and moved the plot forward (very quickly), summed up just how poorly the writers are getting to the endgame.

I don't understand the point of Bronn at all. Why take him up north? I am sure they will get back to him at some point, but it felt so forced to see him turn up out of nowhere...conveniently just after the battle.

Jamie suddenly turns from an honourable knight, to finally sleeping with Brienne, to going back to Cercei over the course of what, 2 nights? And for what...I suspect they want to move him to KL to deal with Cercei...but the character arc needs time to be believable.

Arya doesn't feature, an no one seems to care. Sansa blurts out Jon's secret within minutes of finding out. Missandei somehow gets abducted and back to KL in next to no time. Euron turns up out of nowhere, and does something no one has been able to do in centuries, and kill a dragon with three perfect shots....whilst failing to hit Drogon once, despite the whole fleet firing at him. Dany goes from 7 seasons of building up to be the saviour, learning how to rule, freeing the slaves, etc - to becoming just another tyrant in the space of four episodes.

I will reiterate, I liked Game of Thrones because it was strangely 'realistic' for a fantasy themed show. This has now gone so far off the rails, its sad.
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It was always going to be hard for the script writers to create the sort of dialogue that Martin put in the books and that is what's missing. I've been making use of watching the whole series again while it's on Sky and you can see how the show has suffered with so many big characters killed off. Tywin Lannister alone was a huge loss, but the Jamie Lannister of season 3 was something else. I mean he's still good, but he was outrageously good in that season.

I'm still enjoying it though, mainly because I always felt it would go downhill once the show moved ahead of the books so I had already lowered my expectations somewhat. Even if there were gaping holes in the plot, it still ended on a cliffhanger with the northern forces lined up outside King's Landing. Let's be honest, we're all looking forward to next week's showdown.
 
Dany's dragons are falling like flies... what the heck, we invested 8 seasons in them watching them grow into behemoths only for them to be taken out without much ado..... Drogon better change his gender and lay some eggs before he is inevitably slaughtered as well.
 
Syed1 said:
Dany's dragons are falling like flies... what the heck, we invested 8 seasons in them watching them grow into behemoths only for them to be taken out without much ado..... Drogon better change his gender and lay some eggs before he is inevitably slaughtered as well.
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Well they helped conquer essos and defeat the WW. The threat of Cersei and humans was bound to be much greater and they had to make them this dastardly in order to make for more enjoyable viewing. Where is the fun in dragons simply flying over and burning armies and fleets? :)
 
Stewie said:
Well they helped conquer essos and defeat the WW. The threat of Cersei and humans was bound to be much greater and they had to make them this dastardly in order to make for more enjoyable viewing. Where is the fun in dragons simply flying over and burning armies and fleets? :)
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That was the highlight of the whole show for me. I am practically in mourning now we are down to one dragon, if the last one goes down next week I'll be putting my foot through a very expensive tv screen.
 
To me Jon looks like a typical desi husband, trying to juggle his loyalties between her wife's ego and her sister, "I told you so" attitude. This episode and the whole season 8 seems to be produced by Karan Johar and company, only missing thing is some dance moves. They even left the starbucks cup in the celebration scene.
Too much lovey dovey scenes and happy (and expected) endings is not what GOT fans are expecting. I will watch the remaining two episodes but I will def wait for the books to come out and hoping GRRM will do some GOT style justice.
 
thelandofthebravepeople said:
Also Dany gone from being the savior for 8.3 seasons to now being a villain within 1 episode. Like ***.
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I'm afraid this might be the real ending in the show as well. Online, a lot of people reading spoilers are expressing disliking of this particular ending where Jon kills his aunty because of her ruthless treatment of his enemies and civilian deaths. Many people are considering this legit.

The show runners might not necessarily paint Danny as a mad queen. She has been brought to this point of vengeance by her enemies and disloyalty. In fact they could left it open for viewers to decide, whether Danny indeed crossed limitations by attacking the city and exterminating his rivals and Jon was right in killing her love and his benefactor ; or Danny only did what was made inevitable by the circumstances and this makes Jon a villain for killing her.

I have also seen the photo where red keep dome is burning. This could probably be from the 5th episode.

Personally, I loathe this scenario where Danny is made a villain or even painted as a bad person. I would accept her failing in the battlefield despite once having the best force. But She has always wanted to present herself as a just ruler unlike her father. Turning her into a bad person would ruin everything the show has produced over the decade.
 
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