Game of Thrones [SPOILER ALERT]

[James]

The generals were rarely seen doing battle in any of the episodes. I suspect they were standing off as th NK was present as he was so powerful.

The entire NK and Bran moment was in super slow mo - what looked like an eternity was probably only a few seconds.

Ariya, with all her training that lead her to this was the one person who could evade everyone including the generals. It was poignant that one of the generals long white hair was blown by the breeze created by Aryia's ninja like stealth movement that got her close to the NK.

Honestly, having watched this episode three times now, I think it was superbly done. Even the dragons flying around looks better the more I see it.

I liked it the first time and was blown away by the ending. The second time I just loved it all the way through.

The episode is being widely praised, but also receiving some backlash. I totally get the point about the lighting, particularly on some people’s televisions due to the default picture settings - but some of the other criticisms sound to me very petty, like people are looking for anything.

Take “not enough known characters died”, I mean what the heck really? Jorah and Theon are both leading players who have been in the show from the very beginning; Melisandre has been a major supporting character in a number of storylines running since the second season, and has had a massive impact on the character arcs of Jon Snow and Ser Davos; and finally killed was the Night King, who along with Cersei is the primary antagonist of the whole show!!

Add in some lesser-seen but still significant characters like Edd, Beric, Viserion and Lyanna - House Mormont as a whole has been laid to rest - and one is left wondering just how many heads these bloodthirsty viewers wanted?? There has to be enough of a cast to complete the rest of the series!!

Oh well the episode is still scoring a 9.3 on IMDb from 77,000 ratings, which is very strong by any standard. I think people were expecting another Hardhome or Battle of the B’s which both scored 9.9, and everyone wanted to see a Game of Thrones “Perfect Ten” episode (only Breaking Bad’s “Ozymandias” was ever rated a 10, and that reduced to 9.9 in the end).

Some levels of hype are raised to such extreme levels across the board that they become practically impossible to satisfy.

Great entry into the GOT canon overall.

 

[Robert]

What do you think of Lyanna Mormont killing the giant wight despite being squeezed to pulp? A combination of poor writing and pandering to teen fanbase I think.

Loved it. She went out like a lion! Or a she-bear anyway...

Thus ends House Mormont.

 

[Chrish]

The episode has received polarizing response from critics: scores 74% on rotten tomatoes.

 

[introvert]

Keeping Lighting dark was bad decision imo. In lotr battle of helm's deep also happen at night in the rain but we can clearly see all the major action.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

The irony is that people are ****** because they didnt get the fan service of jon killing the night king.

People are now digging up forum posts from people who predicted years ago that Arya would kill the night king, their are hints in both the book and show.

Further while it may happen differently in the books, im sure Arya will be the one to do it there as well

 

[Stewie]

I liked it. Yes it was a bit too dark, I understand people are complaining about it but to me a bigger let down is just shutting down the night king arc without any further closure.

 

[James]

The Night King angle can still be explained further by Bran, and can be explored on narrative journeys into his mind.

There is for example the possibility that Bran could have seen into the Night King’s mind in those final moments, hence the looks exchanged by the two.

I could be missing the mark here, however I do feel that talk of the Night King’s story being left completely unresolved may be premature.

There are still three episodes left.

 

[yasir]

Apparently there have been allusions in a number of episodes to the idea that “no one can kill the Night King” - well I guess in the end, “No One killed the Night King”

Night King was magical but not great warrior. He refuse to fight with Jon one on one, he raised dead rather than having a warrior like fight...

Arya Assassin move was surprise for him. Once you pass the magical powers, in this show, courage and skill of warriors triumph more often than not. Jon, Arya, Hound, mountain, Jora, Jimmie, Brienne, bron etc had done time and again...

This last minute surprise twist was also GOT way of doing things, like Viper Vs Mountain, Battle of ********, Red Wedding, Joffrey Dead, Ned beheading etc, surprise move at the very last minute, changes the plot.

 

[yasir]

The Night King angle can still be explained further by Bran, and can be explored on narrative journeys into his mind.

There is for example the possibility that Bran could have seen into the Night King’s mind in those final moments, hence the looks exchanged by the two.

I could be missing the mark here, however I do feel that talk of the Night King’s story being left completely unresolved may be premature.

There are still three episodes left.

Most likely that stuff is for prequel and sequel. All this azor ahai prophecy business was untouched or not necessary to get rid of Night King, all you needed to get close to him and kill him like any other White Walker, nothing more to it. More like Khooda Phar Nikla Chooya

How was First long night ended? - Night King was never died, plus there was no one powerful night king in books, who was ADAM of White Walkers. Show went diverge path as far as white walkers are concerned.

Also, now White Walkers are completely dead? - There is no reason to believe that some of them still exists.

 

[Zahid87]

The Night King angle can still be explained further by Bran, and can be explored on narrative journeys into his mind.

There is for example the possibility that Bran could have seen into the Night King’s mind in those final moments, hence the looks exchanged by the two.

I could be missing the mark here, however I do feel that talk of the Night King’s story being left completely unresolved may be premature.

There are still three episodes left.

Im not sure that they will go down this path...the theatre now changes to Kings Landing and the Iron Throne.

They have a lot to resolve, in terms of general storyline, as well as the individual arcs of several characters - with only 3 episodes.

I think the Nights King is for GRRM to explore, along with the wider implications this has for the lore of his universe. The show opted for the easiest path to exit the North and the threat of the white walkers, and bring things towards a close.

On this episode, it scored high in terms of tension, and the battle scenes were well done.

But...

Everything happened as expected...which is unusual for Game of Thrones. The extras died, whilst the major characters survived. The NK was killed with a simple stab to the chest with a valaryian steel dagger, and the war was over. No complications.

All the questions as to what the NK wanted, who he was, how he had survived that long, why did he attack now, went unanswered. All the theories, like Bran will prove decisive by warging into the Dragon, etc, were put to waste.

To an earlier post on whether the NK was a Targ - no, we were shown who he was. He was of the first men. He could ride the dragon as every creature he resurrected would submit to his absolute will...like the wights piling themselves like lemmings to put the fire out.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

This is a weird statement because they basically have turned Game of Thrones into the typical cliche Avenger/Marvel film in the recent few seasons.

Too much plot armour, it is way too convenient for these characters to make it out alive from that assault in the courtyard like that. Theon and Jorah's death were so predictable, you could see it in episode 2. Jorah gets a good chunk of time in there, and then Theon coming back to his 'home.' They weren't necessary anymore.

They did not kill off Brienne even though she served her purpose for the fans who want a relationship between her and Jaimie.

They also pander to the fans through that stupid Lyanna scene, throwing in a few blatant jokes here and there with a pause for the viewers to laugh. It becomes much more obvious when you rewatch the show.

It's very unlikely they can fix these mistakes with these last three episodes, which is why GoT will not dethrone The Wire or the Breaking Bad as top shows, those two shows were near flawless, GoT has basically screwed up after four perfect seasons, as its appeal grows due to the characters, world they build so far, and the cinematic battles.

And my last point, fans are glossing over the weak writing just because this show has a massive budget which results in these huge battles and the characters, basically why Avengers is so popular, thus, this has become your fantasy themed Avengers TV show.

What do you want them to kill off everyone?

Brienne also got lots of time last episode. What is her purpose. Still she survived.

What is Tormund purpose? He also survived.

What is Sam purpose? He also survived.

What is Greworm purpose? He also survived.

There are only 10-15 main characters.. They can't kill them all.

Breaking Bad was great, but totally different genre. Can't be compared.

You come across as someone criticizing just for the sake of it.

Lyanna scene just summed her up. She was tiny and had no chance, but she had the heart and was brave. Even in the most impossible situation she managed to triumph because she was brave. She just delivered 1 attack on giant. It was not like she had a proper 2-3 minute fight with giant.

And stop with this plot armour ****. It's been the same throughout game of thrones. There are always characters that kill 10-20 or more during a battle. Even in Lord of Rings you had characters killing a lot of people.

No body would watch if everything was realistic.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

The irony is that people are ****** because they didnt get the fan service of jon killing the night king.

People are now digging up forum posts from people who predicted years ago that Arya would kill the night king, their are hints in both the book and show.

Further while it may happen differently in the books, im sure Arya will be the one to do it there as well

There is no Night King in the books. Not yet.

The show basically canned the Azor Ahai / Prince that Was Promised prophecy. I don't think GRRM will do that in the books.

 

[Chrish]

The irony is that people are ****** because they didnt get the fan service of jon killing the night king.

People are now digging up forum posts from people who predicted years ago that Arya would kill the night king, their are hints in both the book and show.

Further while it may happen differently in the books, im sure Arya will be the one to do it there as well

No one cares who killed the KK. People are upset by the way his character got trolled after all the hype about his origin.

 

[Lonewarrior]

which one is more lame :
GoT battle of winterfell or Avenger Endgame.

Both.

 

[Slim]

Disappointing episode. Dave and David have again shown they are garbage at writing.

 

[GenericBrand]

Only criticism was the lighting and the brain-dead battle tactics

People wondering who the NK was; in one of the previous seasons when Bran meets the CotF there was a flashback of them creating the first WW who I assume became the Night King. They were created for the sole purpose of killing the humans the CotF were at war with at the time. It stands to reason the WWs betrayed the CotF but were still programmed to wipe out humanity which is what they continue to do so.

If they make a prequel series about them, then more details will most likely be shed. I still don't understand Bran's story line and purpose is though, all he did that episode was play Raven Flight Simulator

 

[Stewie]

Bran is the memory of Westeros.. a record keeper so they don’t forget what has happened in the past. I guess that’s the purpose of all three eyed ravens.

I hope we get some closure re the night king

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Rhaegal is still alive, so is Drogon.

They are the dragons right? I couldn't really tell if the one being smothered by the wights survived or not. Still haven't got over mourning the death of the third dragon in the last season, I had grown really attached to them all.

It was a decent episode, although the Dothraki got snuffed out within about 20 seconds, and I had assumed they would have formed part of the army descending on Kings Landing. Not even sure if the Unsullied survived which means it's looking like the final showdown is going to be more like a local derby than an international affair. I am not sure where this is going to go from here to be honest, hopefully they can keep the momentum going.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is a weird statement because they basically have turned Game of Thrones into the typical cliche Avenger/Marvel film in the recent few seasons.

Too much plot armour, it is way too convenient for these characters to make it out alive from that assault in the courtyard like that. Theon and Jorah's death were so predictable, you could see it in episode 2. Jorah gets a good chunk of time in there, and then Theon coming back to his 'home.' They weren't necessary anymore.

They did not kill off Brienne even though she served her purpose for the fans who want a relationship between her and Jaimie.

They also pander to the fans through that stupid Lyanna scene, throwing in a few blatant jokes here and there with a pause for the viewers to laugh. It becomes much more obvious when you rewatch the show.

It's very unlikely they can fix these mistakes with these last three episodes, which is why GoT will not dethrone The Wire or the Breaking Bad as top shows, those two shows were near flawless, GoT has basically screwed up after four perfect seasons, as its appeal grows due to the characters, world they build so far, and the cinematic battles.

And my last point, fans are glossing over the weak writing just because this show has a massive budget which results in these huge battles and the characters, basically why Avengers is so popular, thus, this has become your fantasy themed Avengers TV show.

I know what you are saying about Breaking Bad and The Wire, but those type of shows by their nature are going to appeal to a smaller audience. They are deeper and a bit more adult. GOT is totally different and must admit I have really looked forward to every episode this season. It's been a great show, and one of the few I would want to purchase the whole box set.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

They are the dragons right? I couldn't really tell if the one being smothered by the wights survived or not. Still haven't got over mourning the death of the third dragon in the last season, I had grown really attached to them all.

It was a decent episode, although the Dothraki got snuffed out within about 20 seconds, and I had assumed they would have formed part of the army descending on Kings Landing. Not even sure if the Unsullied survived which means it's looking like the final showdown is going to be more like a local derby than an international affair. I am not sure where this is going to go from here to be honest, hopefully they can keep the momentum going.

Jon Snow wolf and two dragons are in the trailer for next episode

 

[shaz619]

One of the greatest episodes I've ever seen in TV history, purely from a technical stand point it deserves a 10 but there were some silly moments in terms of the plot as well but you expect this with GOT now such as Jon and Khaleesi going walkies, Dothraki army randomly deciding to do hudkushi ) and Bran not really serving much purpose; he was bait but it seems like this was largely ignored and his earlier visions did not help anyone; the conclusion of NK perhaps could have been a little more dramatic to and with the odds stacked so heavily against the allied forces the victory could have been sweeter if there was a higher profile death. Overall though it was a cinematic beauty and very very enjoyable, enjoying this season so much more compared to the previous one.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The generals were rarely seen doing battle in any of the episodes. I suspect they were standing off as th NK was present as he was so powerful.

The entire NK and Bran moment was in super slow mo - what looked like an eternity was probably only a few seconds.

Ariya, with all her training that lead her to this was the one person who could evade everyone including the generals. It was poignant that one of the generals long white hair was blown by the breeze created by Aryia's ninja like stealth movement that got her close to the NK.

Honestly, having watched this episode three times now, I think it was superbly done. Even the dragons flying around looks better the more I see it.

I dont think I could ever watch it again, let alone 3 times. It was great entertianment no doubt but really childish in the way the story was told, the tactics of battle and the death of the NK.

Someone wrote NK can't fight, well this is nonsense. We have seen the whitewalkers move well in combat, faster than humans and with of course more strength esp in the scene against Jon Snow. You would have thought one girl(no matter how good) couldn't simply run past the generals and take out the NK with one hit. I watched the review of the show where the producers explained Arya killed the NK by using that steel and by stabbbing him in the exact place he was hit when he was created. Well that doesn't add up as she went for his throat intially.

I hope the story is better in the last 3 episodes.

 

[Chrish]

By no means the Wire is a perfect show. The last season was pretty dramatic for the show which takes such pride in realism.

 

[Mamoon]

You would have thought one girl(no matter how good) couldn't simply run past the generals and take out the NK with one hit. I watched the review of the show where the producers explained Arya killed the NK by using that steel and by stabbbing him in the exact place he was hit when he was created. Well that doesn't add up as she went for his throat intially.

Arya is as much a girl as the Night King is a human. She is part of the faceless men/women now and one of the deadliest assassins in the world.

If she can take the face of anyone that she kills and assume their identity without anyone having a clue, she can surely go past the army of the dead undetected. If anyone can do it, it is her.

As far as her stabbing the Night King in the same place is concerned, this is where her destiny comes into play. She unknowingly hit him there because she was born for this moment.

The more I think about it, the more I feel it was a brilliant decision by Martin to have Arya kill him. She didn’t undertake all that training for nothing.

She joined the Faceless Men to kill the people in her list, but she was fulfilling her destiny for the one man (if he can be called that) whom she wouldn’t even dream of having on her list.

 

[Mamoon]

There is no Night King in the books. Not yet.

The show basically canned the Azor Ahai / Prince that Was Promised prophecy. I don't think GRRM will do that in the books.

I am certain he will be introduced in TWoW. The Others need to have a purpose, and they must have a leader to attempt to fulfill that purpose. Although I suspect that he will not be referred to as the Night King to avoid confusion with the Night’s King.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Arya is as much a girl as the Night King is a human. She is part of the faceless men/women now and one of the deadliest assassins in the world.

If she can take the face of anyone that she kills and assume their identity without anyone having a clue, she can surely go past the army of the dead undetected. If anyone can do it, it is her.

As far as her stabbing the Night King in the same place is concerned, this is where her destiny comes into play. She unknowingly hit him there because she was born for this moment.

The more I think about it, the more I feel it was a brilliant decision by Martin to have Arya kill him. She didn’t undertake all that training for nothing.

She joined the Faceless Men to kill the people in her list, but she was fulfilling her destiny for the one man (if he can be called that) whom she wouldn’t even dream of having on her list.

The producers felt otherwise. They decided to show Arya being scared like the little girl she was at the start of the show when Joffrey pointed a sword of her. They stated they didn't want the whole episode as one big battle so decided to have smaller battles within and in Aryas case no matter what training she has had she was scared out of her witts.

Sure you can use destiny as a reason but what a lucky strike hey, one inch elseshwere and the girl with no name would have a headstone with a name on it. The generals were pathetic, a bit like Arsenals defence, if the NK returns he needs a clearout and should sit down with Emery.

You shouldn't expect such as show to have reason and sense, it's a bit of fun.

 

[Swashbuckler]

The Night King brought down a fully grown dragon flying high with one throw of his spear, yet couldn't stop a child from ending him. RIP logic. His generals are even more useless than him. This show keeps killing my grey cells, but the cult of GOT fans will praise it even when they are fed garbage.

 

[Swashbuckler]

No comments about the poor lighting? GOT fans will defend that choice saying they were trying to make it realistic, of course the cult will stoop to any level to defend the show. How does this show have such a high rating?

 

[humzy]

Good for you I guess, I couldn't care less. Nerds ain't a monolith. However showrunners did water down the content last few sessions specifically to increase mass appeal and trying to reach out to every Tom, dick and Harry possible, sacrificed quality for TV ratings, a fact that can't be denied.

They didn't try and water it down, they just had to write on their own without GRRM's writing, which makes the story suffer a little bit. It is just a testament to how amazing GRRM is.

 

[Robert]

Arya is as much a girl as the Night King is a human. She is part of the faceless men/women now and one of the deadliest assassins in the world.

If she can take the face of anyone that she kills and assume their identity without anyone having a clue, she can surely go past the army of the dead undetected. If anyone can do it, it is her.

As far as her stabbing the Night King in the same place is concerned, this is where her destiny comes into play. She unknowingly hit him there because she was born for this moment.

The more I think about it, the more I feel it was a brilliant decision by Martin to have Arya kill him. She didn’t undertake all that training for nothing.

She joined the Faceless Men to kill the people in her list, but she was fulfilling her destiny for the one man (if he can be called that) whom she wouldn’t even dream of having on her list.

Exactly. Arya’s entire story prepared her for this moment. I thought Jon would take him on but he would failed as Dany did, for ‘No One’ was destined to kill the NK.

The women were so important in this one - Arya, Dany incinerating thousands of wights, Lyanna’s desperate charge and Melisandre absolutely pivotal. Girl power!

 

[battler]

Exactly. Arya’s entire story prepared her for this moment. I thought Jon would take him on but he would failed as Dany did, for ‘No One’ was destined to kill the NK.

The women were so important in this one - Arya, Dany incinerating thousands of wights, Lyanna’s desperate charge and Melisandre absolutely pivotal. Girl power!

To be honest Jon Snow's contribution in this battle was very underwhelming. What did he exactly do except killing a few wights? I can name at least 4 male characters who definitely contributed more in this battle. First and foremost Beric Dondarian and the Hound for saving Arya from the wights. Jorah Murmont for protecting Dany and last but not the least Theon Greyjoy for Protecting Bran until the NK arrived.

 

[battler]

So basically now it means Jon Snow will be the person who will sit on the Iron Throne because if he doesn't do even that then why exactly was he bought back from the dead?

 

[Mamoon]

The producers felt otherwise. They decided to show Arya being scared like the little girl she was at the start of the show when Joffrey pointed a sword of her. They stated they didn't want the whole episode as one big battle so decided to have smaller battles within and in Aryas case no matter what training she has had she was scared out of her witts.

Sure you can use destiny as a reason but what a lucky strike hey, one inch elseshwere and the girl with no name would have a headstone with a name on it. The generals were pathetic, a bit like Arsenals defence, if the NK returns he needs a clearout and should sit down with Emery.

You shouldn't expect such as show to have reason and sense, it's a bit of fun.

Her first scene was hitting the bullseye with an arrow and then showing up to receive King Robert with an armor helmet.

At no point of her arc was she just a scared little girl. She attacked Joffrey with her wooden sword when he threatened the butcher’s boy with his real sword, and of course anyone will be scared to have a sword pointed at his or her face when they are on the ground unarmed.

 

[Mamoon]

So basically now it means Jon Snow will be the person who will sit on the Iron Throne because if he doesn't do even that then why exactly was he bought back from the dead?

Maybe there won’t be an iron throne in the end. Perhaps he was brought back from the dead to fight the dead, not necessarily to rule Westeros.

 

[Robert]

So basically now it means Jon Snow will be the person who will sit on the Iron Throne because if he doesn't do even that then why exactly was he bought back from the dead?

I don’t think he will.

Tyrion will be King.

 

[Robert]

Maybe there won’t be an iron throne in the end. Perhaps he was brought back from the dead to fight the dead, not necessarily to rule Westeros.

Remember Dany’s Vision in season 2 of the wrecked Iron Throne room?

 

[Mamoon]

Remember Dany’s Vision in season 2 of the wrecked Iron Throne room?

She approached the snow-covered throne, touched it and walked way. Perhaps she will sacrifice herself or step aside willingly for Jon to become the king.

A lot of people are suggesting that she will die as a villain after fighting Jon for the throne, but I doubt that.

 

[battler]

Maybe there won’t be an iron throne in the end. Perhaps he was brought back from the dead to fight the dead, not necessarily to rule Westeros.

But then he did not really significantly contribute to the battle as well. As I said in my previous post that at least 4 males made a more significant contribution than Jon. At least Beric justified his continuous coming back from the dead by protecting Arya. Jon's resurrection does not serve any purpose if he doesn't even sit on the Iron Throne.

 

[IMMY69]

I think people forget that Jon Snow was never a great/legendary fighter. If anything he’s been extremely lucky, or you could call it his destiny, to survive as long as he has...

Jon is brave, just and honest like his father and step father before him...

 

[battler]

And what about the Prince that was Promised prophecy and the fact that Jon Snow is actually Aegon Targaryen? Somehow not everything adds up.

 

[Mamoon]

But then he did not really significantly contribute to the battle as well. As I said in my previous post that at least 4 males made a more significant contribution than Jon. At least Beric justified his continuous coming back from the dead by protecting Arya. Jon's resurrection does not serve any purpose if he doesn't even sit on the Iron Throne.

Jon was the key to unite the realm against the dead. If Jon didn’t live, there would be no Great War in the first place - the white walkers would have caught Westeros off-guard who would be left squabbling with each other while underestimating the threat from the North.

 

[Mamoon]

And what about the Prince that was Promised prophecy and the fact that Jon Snow is actually Aegon Targaryen? Somehow not everything adds up.

Arya seems to be the Princess that was Promised, and Jon’s lineage has been confirmed. He is the true heir to the iron throne, if the throne survives.

 

[James]

Jon was the key to unite the realm against the dead. If Jon didn’t live, there would be no Great War in the first place - the white walkers would have caught Westeros off-guard who would be left squabbling with each other while underestimating the threat from the North.

Exactly. If he does little else, the leadership he has shown in uniting the humans against the Night King is enough of a purpose fulfilled for him already.

Agreed that he was stone useless in the latest episode. Did nothing on the ground and was outdraggoned by Dany.

 

[Mamoon]

Jon not doing much in the war is what makes the show/story so brilliant. He is a hero but not because he has special powers, but rather, he is a hero because of his circumstances. He didn’t want to be Lord Commander, King of the North or the true heir to the iron throne.

He has unwillingly found himself on the spot over and over again, and he has tried to do what is right.

If this was some other show, they could have made him lead the battle on the ground, kill a few commanders of the dead, kill Viserion when they were 1v1 and maybe even kill the Night King, but he is Jon Snow not a superhero.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Jon not doing much in the war is what makes the show/story so brilliant. He is a hero but not because he has special powers, but rather, he is a hero because of his circumstances. He didn’t want to be Lord Commander, King of the North or the true heir to the iron throne.

He has unwillingly found himself on the spot over and over again, and he has tried to do what is right.

If this was some other show, they could have made him lead the battle on the ground, kill a few commanders of the dead, kill Viserion when they were 1v1 and maybe even kill the Night King, but he is Jon Snow not a superhero.

Good reading but Jon’s story is far from over.

Here is my prediction

Episode 4 will be about preparation for the battle against Cersei

Episode 5 will be the actual battle with Cersei being dealt with and the Cersei, Jaime, Tyrion trio being a major plot point. One of them will most certainly die. Most likely Cersei at the hands of Jaime or the other way around.

Episode 6 will be about the iron throne conflict more specifically between Jon and Dany and tying up of other loose ends.

Honestly I just want Tyrion to play a major role. He has gone from being my favourite character at the end of season 4 to more of a pawn. I can see him doing something big in the next 3 episodes though.

 

[Mamoon]

Good reading but Jon’s story is far from over.

Here is my prediction

Episode 4 will be about preparation for the battle against Cersei

Episode 5 will be the actual battle with Cersei being dealt with and the Cersei, Jaime, Tyrion trio being a major plot point. One of them will most certainly die. Most likely Cersei at the hands of Jaime or the other way around.

Episode 6 will be about the iron throne conflict more specifically between Jon and Dany and tying up of other loose ends.

Honestly I just want Tyrion to play a major role. He has gone from being my favourite character at the end of season 4 to more of a pawn. I can see him doing something big in the next 3 episodes though.

Of course his story isn’t over, but it is not certain that he will sit on the iron throne. Everyone will probably find out about his lineage and his claim on the iron throne in the next episode.

I agree on Tyrion. Both him and Varys have will an important role in the remaining three episodes and I hope both survive.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

There is no Night King in the books. Not yet.

The show basically canned the Azor Ahai / Prince that Was Promised prophecy. I don't think GRRM will do that in the books.

No one cares who killed the KK. People are upset by the way his character got trolled after all the hype about his origin.

I know the night king is very different in the books, and i think thats part of the issue. The show has actually reveled more about the white walkers then the books. The night king was made prominent villian purely for tv purposes.

Further the exact legend of Azor Ahai is not even looked at with any detail in the show, just the prince that was promised, and that too by someone who has gotten prophecies wrong.

I suspect in the books the White Walkers are more of a force of nature, that will be swept aside but at great cost.


If people complain that this was anti climatic i get that, but people complaining about who shanked him are missing a lot

 

[uberkoen]

I know the night king is very different in the books, and i think thats part of the issue. The show has actually reveled more about the white walkers then the books. The night king was made prominent villian purely for tv purposes.

Further the exact legend of Azor Ahai is not even looked at with any detail in the show, just the prince that was promised, and that too by someone who has gotten prophecies wrong.

I suspect in the books the White Walkers are more of a force of nature, that will be swept aside but at great cost.


If people complain that this was anti climatic i get that, but people complaining about who shanked him are missing a lot

There is no "Night King" in the books. There's a "Night's King," who is actually completely different from the show's Night King (The Night's King of the books is the legendary 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch). In the books, the white walkers don't have a leader.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

There is no "Night King" in the books. There's a "Night's King," who is actually completely different from the show's Night King (The Night's King of the books is the legendary 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch). In the books, the white walkers don't have a leader.

I doubt we'll have the Night King( show one) in the books.

However we might get another Other/White Walker with a different name and origin story. He could be purported as the leader of the Others. I doubt we'll get the show ending in the books. They have diverged too much now.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

I know the night king is very different in the books, and i think thats part of the issue. The show has actually reveled more about the white walkers then the books. The night king was made prominent villian purely for tv purposes.

Further the exact legend of Azor Ahai is not even looked at with any detail in the show, just the prince that was promised, and that too by someone who has gotten prophecies wrong.

I suspect in the books the White Walkers are more of a force of nature, that will be swept aside but at great cost.


If people complain that this was anti climatic i get that, but people complaining about who shanked him are missing a lot

I don't mind that Arya was the one who killed the Night King, but the episode was pretty anticlimatic and filled with plot-holes.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Exactly. Arya’s entire story prepared her for this moment. I thought Jon would take him on but he would failed as Dany did, for ‘No One’ was destined to kill the NK.

The women were so important in this one - Arya, Dany incinerating thousands of wights, Lyanna’s desperate charge and Melisandre absolutely pivotal. Girl power!

If you watch the Avengers movie there's a lot of girl power narrative in that one as well, although it got a bit cringe when it showed them all lining up together to make the point. There's a danger it comes across as contrived rather than genuine when it's done to tick the boxes.

GOT doesn't really need any boxes, right from the start there's been girl power with Danaerys and of course the most powerful one of all...Cersis. I found the end of the Night King underwhelming, they were built up over eight seasons, then they were wiped out by Arya Stark with one knife thrust. I hope the remaining few episodes live up to the hype, with the Whitewalkers, Dothraki and Unsullied all gone before we reach the finale, I'm a bit concerned it might not.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

If you watch the Avengers movie there's a lot of girl power narrative in that one as well, although it got a bit cringe when it showed them all lining up together to make the point. There's a danger it comes across as contrived rather than genuine when it's done to tick the boxes.

GOT doesn't really need any boxes, right from the start there's been girl power with Danaerys and of course the most powerful one of all...Cersis. I found the end of the Night King underwhelming, they were built up over eight seasons, then they were wiped out by Arya Stark with one knife thrust. I hope the remaining few episodes live up to the hype, with the Whitewalkers, Dothraki and Unsullied all gone before we reach the finale, I'm a bit concerned it might not.

That was one of the few good scenes in endgame for me. Anything that makes sexist right wibg incels cry, I’m all for.

 

[pak4life]

Of course his story isn’t over, but it is not certain that he will sit on the iron throne. Everyone will probably find out about his lineage and his claim on the iron throne in the next episode.

I agree on Tyrion. Both him and Varys have will an important role in the remaining three episodes and I hope both survive.

The Tyrion and Sansa moment we saw in the last episode could be something far greater. GOT don't drop hints for no reason. Maybe a future alliance for the Throne.

 

[Stewie]

I am sure the show and the books will diverge a lot...

 

[cricketworm]

They are the dragons right? I couldn't really tell if the one being smothered by the wights survived or not. Still haven't got over mourning the death of the third dragon in the last season, I had grown really attached to them all.

It was a decent episode, although the Dothraki got snuffed out within about 20 seconds, and I had assumed they would have formed part of the army descending on Kings Landing. Not even sure if the Unsullied survived which means it's looking like the final showdown is going to be more like a local derby than an international affair. I am not sure where this is going to go from here to be honest, hopefully they can keep the momentum going.

I think Dany was riding Rhaegal, and Jon was riding Drogon. The dragon was attacked by the dead, and he started to fly and the dead dropped on the ground. Dany was surrounded by the dead and Jorah was there to defend her. When Jorah died, Dany's dragon returned to mourn with her.

And I actually have no idea what happened to Jon's dragon. Assuming he was licking his wound as it was fighting with the dead Dragon = Viserion.

I love the dragon, War was long over if it wasn't for the dragon and The Red Lady, gave Arya and rest enough time to lure the Night King.

 

[Mamoon]

The Tyrion and Sansa moment we saw in the last episode could be something far greater. GOT don't drop hints for no reason. Maybe a future alliance for the Throne.

It was my favourite scene. Perhaps they might die together, or get married again or maybe even rule Westeros together. Fascinating possibilities.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That was one of the few good scenes in endgame for me. Anything that makes sexist right wibg incels cry, I’m all for.

Why would that scene make them cry? There have been women superheroes for years now, in fact the Avengers movies were among the first ones to give them some real meaty roles, although the X-Men did it before that. I thought it looked contrived in the Avengers though and that made it less impactful whether it made right wing incels cry or not.

 

[James]

Despite the Iron Throne originally being held by House Baratheon, due to the true lineage of Robert’s children this war originally erupted between the Starks and the Lannisters. The end of the war therefore could credibly be achieved by joining the House of Stark (Sansa) with the House of Lannister (Tyrion).

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It was my favourite scene. Perhaps they might die together, or get married again or maybe even rule Westeros together. Fascinating possibilities.

I hope not. A moment of shared empathy is one thing, a full blown romantic involvement just wouldn't look believable.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I hope not. A moment of shared empathy is one thing, a full blown romantic involvement just wouldn't look believable.

I agree with this. I really don’t want any romance between Sansa and Tyrion. It’s too late for that now and would feel forced

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Why would that scene make them cry? There have been women superheroes for years now, in fact the Avengers movies were among the first ones to give them some real meaty roles, although the X-Men did it before that. I thought it looked contrived in the Avengers though and that made it less impactful whether it made right wing incels cry or not.

It was obviously forced but I’m ok with it. Especially after all the recent crying from the sexists about Brie Larson’s comments. Showing off girl power in a frame is something I quite enjoyed

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It was obviously forced but I’m ok with it. Especially after all the recent crying from the sexists about Brie Larson’s comments. Showing off girl power in a frame is something I quite enjoyed

Hmmm...ok. Didn't really know anything about Brie Larsson's comments or all the sexist crying as I don't really follow all this stuff on social media. It would do my head in. No idea what all this debate is about, but will have a look at the Avengers thread rather than derail this one which is about a much superior product GOT, so don't want to go off on a tangent.

 

[Sirris]

Good reading but Jon’s story is far from over.

Here is my prediction

Episode 4 will be about preparation for the battle against Cersei

Episode 5 will be the actual battle with Cersei being dealt with and the Cersei, Jaime, Tyrion trio being a major plot point. One of them will most certainly die. Most likely Cersei at the hands of Jaime or the other way around.

Episode 6 will be about the iron throne conflict more specifically between Jon and Dany and tying up of other loose ends.

Honestly I just want Tyrion to play a major role. He has gone from being my favourite character at the end of season 4 to more of a pawn. I can see him doing something big in the next 3 episodes though.

Will Bronn kill Tyrion, as Cersi hired him to do so? Does he have a heart and feeling of friendship or is he just a sellsword, loyal to anyone who pays better?

I enjoyed the Bronn amd Tyrion friendship in the early Seasons. Hope we get something dramatic.

 

[Sirris]

So basically now it means Jon Snow will be the person who will sit on the Iron Throne because if he doesn't do even that then why exactly was he bought back from the dead?

Hmmm interesting question.

All I know is that both Jon and Daenerys can't survive at the same time. One of them has to die for drama and entertainment. Though they don't necessarily have to die fighting each other.

 

[Robert]

Despite the Iron Throne originally being held by House Baratheon, due to the true lineage of Robert’s children this war originally erupted between the Starks and the Lannisters. The end of the war therefore could credibly be achieved by joining the House of Stark (Sansa) with the House of Lannister (Tyrion).

I still reckon Tyrion is a Targaryen. The dragons didn’t attack him in the pyramid.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Will Bronn kill Tyrion, as Cersi hired him to do so? Does he have a heart and feeling of friendship or is he just a sellsword, loyal to anyone who pays better?

I enjoyed the Bronn amd Tyrion friendship in the early Seasons. Hope we get something dramatic.

Ooh forgot about Cersei’s orders to Bronn. That is going to be exciting

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I still reckon Tyrion is a Targaryen. The dragons didn’t attack him in the pyramid.

Why not? seems Targaryens are popping up all over the place. First there was Daenarys, standling alone and magnificently defiant. Then she had her thunder stolen by Jon Snow jumping in and throwing his crown into the ring taking the shine of the Dragon Qeen's own tiara. Now we can have the imp suddenly declaring an interest for a three way split. With Viseron gone, there won't even be enough dragons to go round.

 

[Usman Chadda]

The show prematurely ended for a lot of us who were more invested in the AoTD storyline. The Long Night lasted for one night, and this big bad threat of ice demons was wiped out by one stab to the, now, secondary antagonist.

The South will still laugh at the North for believing in the White Walkers lore, having not been exposed to even a tiny bit of it. The archmaesters will continue to be smug about it, as they have been for centuries.

The whole WW plot was to level down Dany's forces tbh. It's sad the greatest threat to mankind in the show gets reduced to this rubbish.

 

[The Viper]

I get what they were doing going with the Arya kill the Night King. The Night akinf was lured by Bran. Unlike Jon, Arya hasn’t fought WW so they underestimated her ability. Still it doesn’t make sense how she got past many WW. The scene could have been executed much better.

The next few episodes should be interesting. As the preparation for the final battle starts.

 

[James]

Bronn will sack off his orders and join Jaime + Tyrion in the fight against Cersei I think.

Bronn has been in the show since the beginning, but literally has never agreed to do anything dangerous unless it has netted him riches, fame or advancement.

So to lay down his arms purely out of loyalty to two old friends would be a lovely conclusion to his character arc.

I wonder then if Bronn & Cersei (Jerome Flynn & Lena Headey) will ever share a scene together? They have been deliberately kept apart thus far - they had a fling when Headey was between husbands but something went spectacularly wrong to cause their break-up - and they haven’t spoken since.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

There is no "Night King" in the books. There's a "Night's King," who is actually completely different from the show's Night King (The Night's King of the books is the legendary 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch). In the books, the white walkers don't have a leader.

I know that they have taken a piece of folklore in the ebook to be the face of the big bad.

The books do have a leader of the white walkers in some sense, with the Great Other being their god.

 

[Madplayer]

The 3rd episode was disappointing for me personally. It wasnt that good at all. Infact even the battles were presented in a pretty flat manner. Not to mention the darkness of video which made it hard to watch.

The best battle episode of GOT is hands down the final episode (or final 2 episodes) of season 4. Now that kept me on the edge of my seat.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

The 3rd episode was disappointing for me personally. It wasnt that good at all. Infact even the battles were presented in a pretty flat manner. Not to mention the darkness of video which made it hard to watch.

The best battle episode of GOT is hands down the final episode (or final 2 episodes) of season 4. Now that kept me on the edge of my seat.

My favourite battle episode is Blackwater and then season 4 episode 9

 

[Madplayer]

My favourite battle episode is Blackwater and then season 4 episode 9

Yes black water was incredible as well. This third episode felt quite flat to be honest. It looks like they were trying to present it in a grand way which took away their attention from things which made the show great to begin with. Not to say this episode didnt have its moments. Some sequences were truly great so kuddos to them for that. However, this was the most important battle thus far in the entire series and to see it not living up to the expectations is hard to ignore.

 

[James]

Apparently Episode 5 features an even bigger battle.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Apparently Episode 5 features an even bigger battle.

The thing is....they might well make it a longer battle, even a more watchable one from an audience POV, but what is going to be left is the battle of the leftovers. Even Cersei said as much when she double crossed the rest of the clans by withholding her armies and laughing that she would deal with what was left after the North took on the army of the dead.

The Whitewalkers were by far the biggest threat in this show, I am now struggling to see how the final battles will have as much significance. Other than someone will take the throne of course, but the real war was surely won at Winterfell.

 

[IMMY69]

With respect to the battles, I think it is natural that the scenes in the earlier seasons will provide a different emotion. In the earlier seasons were all on tenterhooks, not knowing which of our favourites was going to be killed off.

Now we're in the end game and our expectations are different. Some of our favourites are expected to die and there are no more seasons to look forward to. So it's impossible for the producers and directors to replicate what has gone on before, we just have t accept that what we get out from this season will be different...

 

[Madplayer]

With respect to the battles, I think it is natural that the scenes in the earlier seasons will provide a different emotion. In the earlier seasons were all on tenterhooks, not knowing which of our favourites was going to be killed off.

Now we're in the end game and our expectations are different. Some of our favourites are expected to die and there are no more seasons to look forward to. So it's impossible for the producers and directors to replicate what has gone on before, we just have t accept that what we get out from this season will be different...

Very good points.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The show prematurely ended for a lot of us who were more invested in the AoTD storyline. The Long Night lasted for one night, and this big bad threat of ice demons was wiped out by one stab to the, now, secondary antagonist.

The South will still laugh at the North for believing in the White Walkers lore, having not been exposed to even a tiny bit of it. The archmaesters will continue to be smug about it, as they have been for centuries.

The whole WW plot was to level down Dany's forces tbh. It's sad the greatest threat to mankind in the show gets reduced to this rubbish.

Absolutely . Worst possible way to end it. I didnt mind Arya killing the Night king but it was way too early . In this episode, the combined forces of the Starks , free people, dothraki ,unsullied should have been pushed south and there the lannister army (after cersei is murdered by qyburn for her senselessness ) led by bronn and greyjoy forces led by theons sister (after killing euron) should have joined in the war against the whitewalkers with Arya killing the night king by pretending to be a Wight with a mask. This end made the white walkers look much less a threat than they actually were.

 

[WebGuru]

A short but a very good video to understand the GoT Timeline

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