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This episode 4 is the lowest rated ever on IMDB.

It got a rating of 7/10.

A game of throne episode never got below 8.

In fact it rarely ever scored below 8.5.

What a disaster.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
That was the highlight of the whole show for me. I am practically in mourning now we are down to one dragon, if the last one goes down next week I'll be putting my foot through a very expensive tv screen.
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You are expecting it so chances are that you might very well rein in yourself. The show only relies on the shock element so expect some more.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
That was the highlight of the whole show for me. I am practically in mourning now we are down to one dragon, if the last one goes down next week I'll be putting my foot through a very expensive tv screen.
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I don’t think dear old Drogon will make it to the last reel. Nor Dany, nor Jon. Tyrion will be last man standing.

Dany warned Varys she would burn him if he betrayed her and Tyrion will tell her so Varys will burn.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Terrible episode, a once potentially great series had turned into trash tv .
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Dunno what you want. It had all the chess-playing and intrigue of season 1, Sansa stepping into big girl shoes as a politician, a shock with poor Rhaegal and the heart-pounding final five minutes. I was emotionally drained.
 
Robert said:
Dunno what you want. It had all the chess-playing and intrigue of season 1, Sansa stepping into big girl shoes as a politician, a shock with poor Rhaegal and the heart-pounding final five minutes. I was emotionally drained.
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You’re caught up with the hype like others on here . You feel you must love everything as everyone is talking about it . But many who are not have pointed out how poor this show has become .

A coffee cup was in a scene !! Kinda shows how they rushed it & put little thought into it .
 
Robert said:
I don’t think dear old Drogon will make it to the last reel. Nor Dany, nor Jon. Tyrion will be last man standing.

Dany warned Varys she would burn him if he betrayed her and Tyrion will tell her so Varys will burn.
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I agree, the dragon and Dany look like they are literally going down in flames. At one time it looked like she was being lined up for a triumphant return to Westeros, now Ser Jorah is gone, the Dothraki wiped out and the Unsullied reduced to leftovers. You can see the writing on the wall even in the end of this last episode. Not to bothered who's left standing to be honest, I was invested in the Dragon Queen since I read the first book.
 
If GoT really wants to go the "unexpected" route they should go really crazy and show that in the last episode some time portal opened and some modern army arrived with battle tanks, fighter jets and aircraft carriers. Destroying everything in their path. The great other.




I mean considering how big of a joke the last episode was this doesn't seem outside of the realm of possibility.
 
I think some of you guys are complaining about losing your favorite characters, or things not happening the way you wanted them to or expected them to. Then some of you are complaining it’s becoming formulaic and looks like fan fiction and becoming too predictable and happy nappy.

Moral of the story is you can’t keep everyone happy!

The way I look at it, the show has been about characters and character struggles with a bit of supernatural... ok quite a bit of supernatural.. but mainly it was always about the political intrigue, backstabbing and drama. The supernatural part is done. No WW and therefore all the dragons are not needed. The death of two of them is just leveling the playing field. Some will say it’s predictable and complain and then there are some that just loved them too much . :)

I don’t think any of them were going to survive till the end. Besides the show had ripped plenty of hints about Dany having a mean streak exactly the type the people she is fighting against have. Her holding onto the dragons would have worsened her advantage and made her seem completely invulnerable. I think this twist has humanized her a bit and brought her down to a similar level of struggle the other good guys have faced.

I know they are playing to the gallery now but I am actually fully invested in that galley and rather enjoying the speedy and balancing turn of events.
 
Syed1 said:
If GoT really wants to go the "unexpected" route they should go really crazy and show that in the last episode some time portal opened and some modern army arrived with battle tanks, fighter jets and aircraft carriers. Destroying everything in their path. The great other.




I mean considering how big of a joke the last episode was this doesn't seem outside of the realm of possibility.
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The show has suffered from two aspects. GRRM could not finish the story in time and the show needed one more season for an orderly finish. The writers have done a terrible job but they can't be entirely blamed , Martin has left the story threads so complicated and sporadic that he himself is finding it hard to finish.

Martin had originally planned a trilogy, which he later extended to six and then to 7 books.
It seems that he has created a mess for himself. He expanded his own ideas way too much and has diverged from his original story so much that he has probably lost interest.
 
waqar goraya said:
The show has suffered from two aspects. GRRM could not finish the story in time and the show needed one more season for an orderly finish. The writers have done a terrible job but they can't be entirely blamed , Martin has left the story threads so complicated and sporadic that he himself is finding it hard to finish.

Martin had originally planned a trilogy, which he later extended to six and then to 7 books.
It seems that he has created a mess for himself. He expanded his own ideas way too much and has diverged from his original story so much that he has probably lost interest.
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I think that’s exactly correct. Unlike JK Rowling who had a clear vision of what she was doing and had a fairly complex and vast field of characters and events, this fat dude simply “winged” it it seems and got too big for his own good and now he is struggling to reign it all in and tie everything up.. kind of like what happened to Lost. If the creative process is too ambitious and motivated by sudden onset of good ideas but lacks clear planning and vision, this happens.. lesson for the aspiring writers!!
 
KingKhanWC said:
You’re caught up with the hype like others on here . You feel you must love everything as everyone is talking about it . But many who are not have pointed out how poor this show has become .

A coffee cup was in a scene !! Kinda shows how they rushed it & put little thought into it .
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I don’t know what being “caught up with the hype” means, unless it means that something is so good that it has almost universal appeal. I am more emotionally invested in GoT than ever and have a steadily mounting dismay that my girl is not going to sit on the Iron Throne. It’s still nigh-on as good as anything I have ever seen on telly, and 8.4 was one of the very best episodes. Thought provoking, emotionally wrenching and finally nerve-shredding.
 
Stewie said:
I think that’s exactly correct. Unlike JK Rowling who had a clear vision of what she was doing and had a fairly complex and vast field of characters and events, this fat dude simply “winged” it it seems and got too big for his own good and now he is struggling to reign it all in and tie everything up.. kind of like what happened to Lost. If the creative process is too ambitious and motivated by sudden onset of good ideas but lacks clear planning and vision, this happens.. lesson for the aspiring writers!!
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GRRM identifies himself as a "gardener". This is how he defines a "gardener":

“I think there are two types of writers, the architects and the gardeners. The architects plan everything ahead of time, like an architect building a house. They know how many rooms are going to be in the house, what kind of roof they're going to have, where the wires are going to run, what kind of plumbing there's going to be. They have the whole thing designed and blueprinted out before they even nail the first board up. The gardeners dig a hole, drop in a seed and water it. They kind of know what seed it is, they know if planted a fantasy seed or mystery seed or whatever. But as the plant comes up and they water it, they don't know how many branches it's going to have, they find out as it grows. And I'm much more a gardener than an architect.”
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
GRRM identifies himself as a "gardener". This is how he defines a "gardener":

“I think there are two types of writers, the architects and the gardeners. The architects plan everything ahead of time, like an architect building a house. They know how many rooms are going to be in the house, what kind of roof they're going to have, where the wires are going to run, what kind of plumbing there's going to be. They have the whole thing designed and blueprinted out before they even nail the first board up. The gardeners dig a hole, drop in a seed and water it. They kind of know what seed it is, they know if planted a fantasy seed or mystery seed or whatever. But as the plant comes up and they water it, they don't know how many branches it's going to have, they find out as it grows. And I'm much more a gardener than an architect.”
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Alright well good luck figuring out each branch and ensuring the weeds don’t over run the garden then, Fatso! Hahah
 
Stewie said:
Alright well good luck figuring out each branch and ensuring the weeds don’t over run the garden then, Fatso! Hahah
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I can't be the only one who thinks that the print version of GOT might never get finished, or at least not by Martin. He's not a spring chicken, time may well run out, then we could well get another writer brought in to apply the finishing touches as happened with the Wheel of Time.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I can't be the only one who thinks that the print version of GOT might never get finished, or at least not by Martin. He's not a spring chicken, time may well run out, then we could well get another writer brought in to apply the finishing touches as happened with the Wheel of Time.
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No you are not.. a lot of people suspect he has utterly lost control and interest in it and has actually spoken of it and pursuing other things at the moment. If he does finish it, it will be half a$$ed in my opinion and will disappoint those bashing the tv show left and right.
 
Chrish said:
Spoilers are out and everything was ditto as mentioned on reddit spoiler thread. Pretty good idea on how this will all end.
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Mate, without spoiling it, can you tell us if its any good?

Extremely disappointing with this Hollywood writing this season, please tell me its not similar. ~Thanks!
 
Mamoon said:
I am quite surprised to see the adulation. In my opinion, this was the weakest episode of the season and of the the weakest in the show’s glorious history.

- Too many unnecessary love scenes.

- Bran telling Sansa and Arya about Jon was one of the most important moments in the history of this show. It is absolutely ludicrous that they did it off-screen.

Sansa telling Tyrion and Tyrion telling Varys off-screen was understandable but the not the above.

Perhaps if they wouldn’t wasted a few minutes on Tormund getting laid and also convincing the Hound of doing the same, they would have had the time to produce one of the most significant moments in the show.

- The scene between Bronn, Jamie and Tyrion was very poorly executed. They tried too hard to play the “Bronn is a heartless sell-sword who only cares about gold” angle and it seemed forced.

Bronn punching Tyrion and then claiming he knows when he breaks a nose was also a clumsy attempt at humor which was not needed.

It was a poignant moment between three people with so much history, but the dialogues were poor.

Compare this to the scene between Tyrion and Bronn when he refused to fight the Mountain for him, the different in quality is stark (pun intended).

- Jon should have had a moment with Ghost instead of simply handing the leash to Tormund as if it was a random dog that he had kept in his house for a few months.

I usually don’t put much thought into the assessment that D&D are lost without Martin, but I have to admit after the last episode, I have to agree that they are butchering the show except for the battles which are of still the highest quality.

All of these are besides the following minor goof-ups that should have been avoided in a show of this quality and fan following.

- They made 6 episodes in 2 years, and they forgot to hide the Starbucks cup next Daenerys.

- Gendry is technically not Rivers.

The episode did have a few redeeming moments, which is why I would give it a 5/10, which is probably the lowest I can give to a GoT episode.
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Don't forget plot device Euron, who again surprises our oblivious 'heroes'

At this point anyone rating this season 10/10 is just keeping a dog they need to put down alive because they loved it for almost a decade, or they're the same people enjoying Avengers and the crap Hollywood puts out 7 out of 10 times.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I can't be the only one who thinks that the print version of GOT might never get finished, or at least not by Martin. He's not a spring chicken, time may well run out, then we could well get another writer brought in to apply the finishing touches as happened with the Wheel of Time.
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I would say there is a 90 percent chance of that. Once or twice I had an inclination to read these books, but when i noticed that book 6 was taking ages to finish i decided against spending couple of months on these books.

Martin is already 70, he could not finish the number 6 in 8 years. We know where things are going.
 
CricFan2012 said:
Mate, without spoiling it, can you tell us if its any good?

Extremely disappointing with this Hollywood writing this season, please tell me its not similar. ~Thanks!
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You’re not gonna like it.

Going by those proven spoilers it is a bit of a wack ending.
 
We all know where this is going. Dany is turning into a mad queen and will be taken out by king slayer or Arya or Jon. The throne will go to Gendry as the legalized son of the last legitimate king since Jon doesn’t want it and he will go back north of the wall. Sansa will be the queen in the north.

Jaime, Cersei, euron, Tyrion etc will all be taken out.
 
Stewie said:
We all know where this is going. Dany is turning into a mad queen and will be taken out by king slayer or Arya or Jon. The throne will go to Gendry as the legalized son of the last legitimate king since Jon doesn’t want it and he will go back north of the wall. Sansa will be the queen in the north.

Jaime, Cersei, euron, Tyrion etc will all be taken out.
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Wait what's the point of the night's watch now that the windlings are friends and there is no threat of the white walkers.
 
I feel like Jamie will become queen slayer after previously being king slayer
 
Syed1 said:
Wait what's the point of the night's watch now that the windlings are friends and there is no threat of the white walkers.
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I don’t think there will be a nights watch.. but the wildlings just went back north to their homes and I think Jon will end up joining them. Like tormund told him before he left.. Jon belongs in the north.
 
WebGuru said:
Wow episode 4 rating is down to 6.7/10 at IMDB. Looks like most people really hated it or they were already upset by the last 3 episode (all average less thn 8.7) and wanted episode 4 to be extraordinary...

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6027914/?ref_=ttep_ep4
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Yes that is an inaccurately low rating.

I personally gave it a 9 - there is definitely a case for it to be a 7 or 8, but it’s hardly a 6/10 TV episode.

This level of polarisation did happen once before - with the fifth season episode featuring Ramsey and Sansa’s wedding night. It got a huge amount of markdowns just for the ending scene and was highly controversial in the press - we’ll never review this show again, has the GOT bubble burst, etc.

A couple of weeks later, and with the next classic episodes “The Gift” then the famous “Hardhome”, all was forgiven and forgotten.

If Sunday’s instalment and then the grand finale are executed well, this season will probably still squeak over the line with keeping the overall show’s reputation intact.
 
James said:
Yes that is an inaccurately low rating.

I personally gave it a 9 - there is definitely a case for it to be a 7 or 8, but it’s hardly a 6/10 TV episode.

This level of polarisation did happen once before - with the fifth season episode featuring Ramsey and Sansa’s wedding night. It got a huge amount of markdowns just for the ending scene and was highly controversial in the press - we’ll never review this show again, has the GOT bubble burst, etc.

A couple of weeks later, and with the next classic episodes “The Gift” then the famous “Hardhome”, all was forgiven and forgotten.

If Sunday’s instalment and then the grand finale are executed well, this season will probably still squeak over the line with keeping the overall show’s reputation intact.
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They cannot recover what they've lost and that's basically story writing.

This show wasn't about shock and awe, it was about details and complex story points. Minor events leading to major catastrophic events all sandwiched between complex characters that were neither black nor white.

The Baratheons went to war not because they wanted the throne but because they wanted justice albeit their view of justice wasn't even close to reality. Then there was fantasy and mystery, dragons yes, ice zombies, yes but they were not the story; they were the past that had been forgotten. There was religion, foreshadowing, mysteries, prophecies and a lot of poorly executed brothel scenes.

The Starks were noble but not really above all others., the Lannisters were rich and powerful with golden hair who wanted power but also were keeping the kingdom running. Other lords were important, not just props, they had story arcs, we went through a whole season watching a man trying to become Bolton. It was a bit of this, a bit of that.

I've seen the show slowly go away from this basic premise and was tolerating it thinking that maybe they'd recover and reveal a complex story plot of the Knight King and tie up the arc with first men and children of the forest and how this triangle would be connected to the present using the three-eyed raven and modern times. But instead of creating that they went for polar bears and super seven teams full on plot armor scouting north of the wall to catch a wight. I was even totally willing to forget poor writing as a one-off but then in the "Behind the Scenes" commentary, the showrunners went something on the lines of "we have always wanted a zombie polar bear and every episode we'd put the idea up only to be shot down but now we could finally do it".

That's when I realized; the moment of revival is gone and this isn't the same show that had intricate details that we wanted but it's a fantasy Hollywood movie where things will happen because they want the audience to go wow. The example would be; it's more like the movie "Gods of Egypt", great animation, good to very good acting, great CGI, many wow moments, but absolute lazy screenplay and story as transparent as water of a clear lake on a fair weather day.

Is it still watchable? I think yes. Is it the epic that it used to be? No.
 
Season 6 had some great episodes but for me this show died with Tywin Lannister
 
waqar goraya said:
I would say there is a 90 percent chance of that. Once or twice I had an inclination to read these books, but when i noticed that book 6 was taking ages to finish i decided against spending couple of months on these books.

Martin is already 70, he could not finish the number 6 in 8 years. We know where things are going.
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I read the first three books before the show had aired, and funnily enough was not that interested in the tv series as I thought it would spoil the books for me. But they did a decent job, even though to this day I still think they got some of the characters quite wrong. People loved Joffrey for example, but in the books he was supposed to be an incredibly handsome youth, and that is what made girls like Sansa captivated initially, and it also made his subsequent demonic behaviour look all the more horrific. In the tv series they just made him look mean to start with which took away a layer of depth for me personally.

Now though I don't think I would go back to the books even if Martin ever gets round to finishing them. After this series is finished in a couple of weeks, why would you want to read them when you know how it ends? You can make films out of books, I don't think it works the other way round.
 
This season is the worst GOT season and hell all episodes deserve a rating of 3 or 4 for **** poor writing.
 
Complaining and moaning about TV shows has become fashionable and the IT thing to do. Nothing to see here.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I read the first three books before the show had aired, and funnily enough was not that interested in the tv series as I thought it would spoil the books for me. But they did a decent job, even though to this day I still think they got some of the characters quite wrong. People loved Joffrey for example, but in the books he was supposed to be an incredibly handsome youth, and that is what made girls like Sansa captivated initially, and it also made his subsequent demonic behaviour look all the more horrific. In the tv series they just made him look mean to start with which took away a layer of depth for me personally.

Now though I don't think I would go back to the books even if Martin ever gets round to finishing them. After this series is finished in a couple of weeks, why would you want to read them when you know how it ends? You can make films out of books, I don't think it works the other way round.
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I was watching a recent Martin interview and he said that he was disappointed with the ending. He said that major characters had more or less same sort of ending but he disliked the show runners policy to prolong the lesser characters just because they were very popular among the audience. He also said that many people guessed his ending after reading second book but he was not going to change it regardless. He was not going to change his ending only because it became predictable for some people.

We have also heard him saying that he wants an ending like LOTR, as much bitter as much happy ; and that he would also avoid the ending like LOST, where people simply could not relate to.

May be this can motivate Martin enough to finish his life's work. Only if he had not digressed from his original plot, we would be a happy lot, all the show critics or book followers!

But as the leading spoilers and the season so far present Dany turning into a mad queen, I am disappointed by this lame ending. It all started with the mad king and ended with his mad daughter who wanted to be different from her father. Maybe books could describe her transcend into complete abyss in a better way but this fate of her within 2 episodes will make Game of Thrones Lame of Thrones.
 
waqar goraya said:
I was watching a recent Martin interview and he said that he was disappointed with the ending. He said that major characters had more or less same sort of ending but he disliked the show runners policy to prolong the lesser characters just because they were very popular among the audience. He also said that many people guessed his ending after reading second book but he was not going to change it regardless. He was not going to change his ending only because it became predictable for some people.

We have also heard him saying that he wants an ending like LOTR, as much bitter as much happy ; and that he would also avoid the ending like LOST, where people simply could not relate to.

May be this can motivate Martin enough to finish his life's work. Only if he had not digressed from his original plot, we would be a happy lot, all the show critics or book followers!

But as the leading spoilers and the season so far present Dany turning into a mad queen, I am disappointed by this lame ending. It all started with the mad king and ended with his mad daughter who wanted to be different from her father. Maybe books could describe her transcend into complete abyss in a better way but this fate of her within 2 episodes will make Game of Thrones Lame of Thrones.
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I don’t think the descent of Dany into madness is something new or will magically occur in the last two episodes. I think the writers of the TV show have done enough and dropped several hints and situations where this was evident and hence people started predicted it a while back. Remember Tyrion had to reign her in from completely annihilating the dissidents in essos, the way she demands loyalty and is so rigid in her views and policies, etc. last season she burnt the two tarlys, etc.

Once again dany’s storyline is one of those that will get mixed reactions because for some she is the true hero and they want a glorifying ending for her. This show doesn’t have heroes in the traditional sense and if it does it’s Jon. Dany has shown plenty of flaws if you want to really look.
 
Stewie said:
I don’t think the descent of Dany into madness is something new or will magically occur in the last two episodes. I think the writers of the TV show have done enough and dropped several hints and situations where this was evident and hence people started predicted it a while back. Remember Tyrion had to reign her in from completely annihilating the dissidents in essos, the way she demands loyalty and is so rigid in her views and policies, etc. last season she burnt the two tarlys, etc.

Once again dany’s storyline is one of those that will get mixed reactions because for some she is the true hero and they want a glorifying ending for her. This show doesn’t have heroes in the traditional sense and if it does it’s Jon. Dany has shown plenty of flaws if you want to really look.
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She has shown flaws but the execution of her descent into “madness” in this show has been absolutely hilarious. Only blind fans are buy it. Check out the memes on the freefolk subreddit about this
 
aliasad1998 said:
She has shown flaws but the execution of her descent into “madness” in this show has been absolutely hilarious. Only blind fans are buy it. Check out the memes on the freefolk subreddit about this
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I think it depends on how you look at it. She never spent much time in Westeros and her sympathies have been with the people who were wronged in essos. Westeros have her nothing and it’s true in a way because the continent has families of despots. Her “madness” so to speak isn’t the same as her father’s. She is just showing signs she is getting vengeful. She will avenge the death of her family, her dragon and missandei’s death will prove to be the straw that broke the camel’s back. The people don’t trust her and won’t ever accept her because to them she is an outsider and Jon is easily upstaging her and becoming the favorite. All these factors are resulting her in becoming indifferent to the plight of the common people who don’t like her and she never lived with them.

In a lot of ways she reminds me of benazir Bhutto. A lot of people believe he only motivation was to avenge the wrongs done to her family and she really didn’t have the good of pakistan at heart.
It looks quite organic if you view it in this light.
 
The darker, more ruthless side of Dany’s character has been built up very well over the last few seasons. She is not a pure and honest hero of absolute integrity like Jon Snow - she is more on the ambivalent side. If she turns heel now, it is hardly a 180.
 
Stewie said:
I don’t think the descent of Dany into madness is something new or will magically occur in the last two episodes. I think the writers of the TV show have done enough and dropped several hints and situations where this was evident and hence people started predicted it a while back. Remember Tyrion had to reign her in from completely annihilating the dissidents in essos, the way she demands loyalty and is so rigid in her views and policies, etc. last season she burnt the two tarlys, etc.

Once again dany’s storyline is one of those that will get mixed reactions because for some she is the true hero and they want a glorifying ending for her. This show doesn’t have heroes in the traditional sense and if it does it’s Jon. Dany has shown plenty of flaws if you want to really look.
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But almost every time on those occasions she has shown restraint and cared for people. She wants a better world and has tried to come out of her father's legacy. As a queen she must also show some authority. Despite having the best force , she did not invade King's landing or killed indiscriminately during her victories in Essos. She lost her dragons, friends seeking approval and showing restraint.
Until now, we were being told that she was able to control her worst urges. But in the end her vengeance is just going to supersede all of her legacy.
Yes, the character has been shown having some authoritative tendencies but it fades in comparison to her overall good demeanor, ambition, struggle and contribution to the realm.
So, now the end looks as if she plunges into complete darkness after all the good in her life. It makes it dramatic or shocking but not reasonable.

Show runners have also failed to describe the reasons why Stark sisters loath her.
 
Yesterday, I watched some months old video in which the host asks Emilia Clarke if she was happy with the ending, but she did not answer to that.

And today i came across the same conversation on reddit with the addition of another point of view. The question from Kit Harrington was simple, " how would you describe the ending in one word?" and he said," Disappointing "
 
Wow- alot of disrespect for GRRM... the dude can take how long he likes to write his books..it is his story....
He has many fingers in many pies and tbh the tv success has made it into a monster...

he has already told the show producers what will happen in the end which HBO have indirectly pressured him to cut his story to the end... which was probably hinted in series 2...

he already mentioned that he would of wanted the series to last 2-3 more books...

it's a shame his vision has led to this situation.

Anyway...onwards to the next episode!
 
Robert said:
I just put that down to female jealousy from Sansa. It’s disappointing as I though better of her.
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It is not jealously. After everything that they have suffered, they want the North to be independent, and that is why they are disappointed with Jon for bending the knee.

Also, they can clearly see that Daenerys has a lust for power which goes against the Stark upbringing.
 
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waqar goraya said:
I would say there is a 90 percent chance of that. Once or twice I had an inclination to read these books, but when i noticed that book 6 was taking ages to finish i decided against spending couple of months on these books.

Martin is already 70, he could not finish the number 6 in 8 years. We know where things are going.
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Yeah. I hope he lives to be a 100, but what are the odds of that happening? It doesn't have to be the end for the story. Someone else might pick it up in the future. It's happened successfully with Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time books. Brandon Sanderson picked up where Jordan left off and did a fantastic job.
 
Hope for the best but expect the worst. Personally I have no hope. At this point I’m just watching because of emotional investment and the memes
 
aliasad1998 said:
Hope for the best but expect the worst. Personally I have no hope. At this point I’m just watching because of emotional investment and the memes
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With the opening credits , i recollect all the good things about the show. How much the characters have been through and how many of them we have lost, how amazing the night's watch's scenes used to be and how witty Tyrion's dialogues were !
How the heroes were evolving and getting more relevant with time where as the bad guys used to be perfect!
 
waqar goraya said:
With the opening credits , i recollect all the good things about the show. How much the characters have been through and how many of them we have lost, how amazing the night's watch's scenes used to be and how witty Tyrion's dialogues were !
How the heroes were evolving and getting more relevant with time where as the bad guys used to be perfect!
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I know. It’s a real tragedy. We can always rewatch seasons 1-4 I guess
 
That was a visual feast. Awesome cinematography, some great shots of the overall landscape. Plot minimal, and dialogue, non- existent. sigh . This is not game of thrones.
 
Honestly what they did this whole episode just felt morally wrong. It was rotten. I’m actually disgusted but tbh I didn’t expect much better. Atleast the memes are great
 
This was a fantastic episode. No good guys in war and this episode hammered it home. A couple of things I didn't like but most of it was truly engaging.

GoT fans are worse than pro wrestling fans when it comes to being entitled.
 
leatherface58 said:
This was a fantastic episode. No good guys in war and this episode hammered it home. A couple of things I didn't like but most of it was truly engaging.

GoT fans are worse than pro wrestling fans when it comes to being entitled.
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Agreed!

It was so one sided though.. made it look so easy.. it was utter decimation...
 
Stewie said:
Agreed!

It was so one sided though.. made it look so easy.. it was utter decimation...
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I liked how fans expected a huge battle where they get to cheer for Dani taking down the evil Cersei but the writers didn't want to give you that satisfaction because this is not that show. I didn't like Arya suddenly realizing that she didn't need revenge and the whole arc with Jaime but otherwise, the whole episode effectively executed a bit of a double turn with Cersei getting a degree of sympathy and Dani going full heel.

I'm glad someone apart from me liked this because fans are tearing this show apart.
 
leatherface58 said:
This was a fantastic episode. No good guys in war and this episode hammered it home. A couple of things I didn't like but most of it was truly engaging.

GoT fans are worse than pro wrestling fans when it comes to being entitled.
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Same thoughts. Dany's vision comes true.
 
Stewie said:
Agreed!

It was so one sided though.. made it look so easy.. it was utter decimation...
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But that is what it should be, you do not fight tooth and nail against death itself and survive only for really bad jack sparrow and stupid idiot who thinks herself einstien to give you a tougher fight. I like how they have gone away bit from big bad and it is about the more subtle undertones even if amplified for everyone to get it.
 
aliasad1998 said:
Honestly what they did this whole episode just felt morally wrong. It was rotten. I’m actually disgusted but tbh I didn’t expect much better. Atleast the memes are great
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How is it morally wrong? Dany is a targaryean born of a king who wanted to burn down king's landing. She is just doing what her father couldn't.
 
jagatk said:
But that is what it should be, you do not fight tooth and nail against death itself and survive only for really bad jack sparrow and stupid idiot who thinks herself einstien to give you a tougher fight. I like how they have gone away bit from big bad and it is about the more subtle undertones even if amplified for everyone to get it.
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Some of it was nonsensical though. One hit took out Rhaegal but tons of .... well don’t want to spoil it. Point is all the Kings men and all the queens horses could not..... just doesn’t look right based on the dread factor built up last few episodes and last season about those in KL.

With that being said, for me it’s a fairly satisfying albeit expected outcome.
 
Stewie said:
Some of it was nonsensical though. One hit took out Rhaegal but tons of .... well don’t want to spoil it. Point is all the Kings men and all the queens horses could not..... just doesn’t look right based on the dread factor built up last few episodes and last season about those in KL.

With that being said, for me it’s a fairly satisfying albeit expected outcome.
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I am absolutely not saying that was a good episode or this is a good season, i just think that outline was well thought out.

What you point out is tip of the iceberg, dany went heel which i can get but she went from give the son of her family's killer who also sent assassins for her a title and a castle calm and smart to ******* crazy in space of 1 episode.

Dumb and Dumber had the maggie prophesy to play with but twincest romantic ending is what they went with, the whole point of jaime's arc is he eventually kills his stupid crazy sister, but no Dumb and Dumber have to turn her into the good guy in the end, because the first 7 seasons and 4 episodes from this season don't matter anymore.

They have bad jack sparrow kill a dragon like he is hunting a pigeon then have a dragon annahilate them to oblivion like the whole fleet and army are rag dolls, i get the latter but why have him kill a dragon or did HBO run out of money to have a Jon vs Dany on dragons fight.

This has been an utter car crash of season, I just liked the central theme not the actual execution, anyone who wants a real ending to the series, pray to whatever gods you have for the fat old man to complete his books.
 
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Stewie said:
Dude... spoilers!!!! Come on, now!
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Why, if you haven't seen the episode you have no business being in a thread discussing the latest episodes, its not like i am spoiling something from future episodes yet to be released.
 
The ending will be the same that was leaked.

What a waste of 8 seasons this was. GRRM said that it will be a bitter sweet ending. It's only bitter
 
GRRM must have planned this

D&D said there were three *** moments told by GRRM, only one left. So danny turning mad and whatever will happen in the last episode must be GRRM idea.
 
Never watched this show all these years, decided to start it last Thursday ... can't believe I've been missing out on this! (though, to be fair, I was a bit too young for this 8 years ago). So busy with uni, shouldn't have time to watch this, but I'm already up to season 3. Gotta finish before exams, otherwise RIP grades.
 
Why are people complaining about a lack of focus on character development? That has all been done. There’s one episode left in the whole bloody thing lol.
 
So the leaked ending is correct, any guesses on how we demand a refund on our time from GOT creators ?
 
hussain.r97 said:
Never watched this show all these years, decided to start it last Thursday ... can't believe I've been missing out on this! (though, to be fair, I was a bit too young for this 8 years ago). So busy with uni, shouldn't have time to watch this, but I'm already up to season 3. Gotta finish before exams, otherwise RIP grades.
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Enjoy while it lasts because it will go downhill fast.
 
leatherface58 said:
This was a fantastic episode. No good guys in war and this episode hammered it home. A couple of things I didn't like but most of it was truly engaging.

GoT fans are worse than pro wrestling fans when it comes to being entitled.
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I don't see anything wrong with the complaints from the fans and these are just some of the reasons

1. HBO gave the showrunners money to make the season longer, it's like hello, here's your blank check, do whatever you want with it. They, in turn, came out and said, "Naah, we kinda see it as a 76 episode saga" and literally rushed every single plot line. J

2. The absolute murder of story arcs of the main characters is an unpardonable crime. Jon is a story arc, a character with greatness in his blood, now he's a mere prop, just a bystander whose one major contribution is one cliched as hell speech while burning the dead. The Starks were all on the verge of something; Arya, the many-faced assassin; Sansa, a lone wolf surviving to find a pack, surviving without one, then forming one; Bran, a three-eyed raven with info of the past, present, and possibly even future. One's a high jumper and speed runner now, the second is the main lead of gossip girl. the third is the definition of "with great power comes great design knowledge of building wheelchairs". You spend seven seasons on Cersei, there's a prophecy of how it begins and how it ends for her, she's ruthless, she's multi-talented, she's a survivor, she's tricked the faith militia, the Tyrells, she's the true heir of Tywin; now, she stands in the balcony and smirks and has useless dialogs with a drunkard sailor whose claim to fame is hitting a dragon miles away only to miss the next one 40 feet away with a fleet of scorpions mounted on at least 10 ships. Tyrion who literally ran the show is reduced to a side joke, drinking wine and knowing nothing, literally in a way he's more Jon Snow than Jon himself. I can go on about every single character whose arc just got butchered.

3. The show was built on tiny details. They spent days building up Oberyn Martell, even his weapons were detailed. Now we have the golden company leader, supposedly the best army that money can buy. Let's see how many people remember what his name is, anyone?

4. The missing characters that the show just forgot. Remember Mira? The one that kept dragging Brann all along the journey in the North. She's a Northerner, there's a fight going, her Dad was the biggest ally of Ned Stark, do you see her anywhere? A master archer, a trusted ally, a character we were emotionally invested in, gone just like that, whoosh. Remember Dario? Remember the other red preachers preaching all over Essos?

5. The missing plot lines, ok, let's start with the obvious "winter is coming" one. Can anyone explain why the Knight King was chasing the little stark boy? If he just wanted to destroy humanity, he could have destroyed it before coming to him. The symbolism, the "I'm coming for you", the "we have old business to solve". All of that gone in an instant.

6. The potential. Basically, this is the point that annoys me the most. Fantasy shows are normally built on characters like Arnold and Rock, big muscular guys, or like Xena the Warrior Princess, big muscular scantily clad women. There's CGI but the story is predictable, bad guys do something bad to the good people who in turn suffer but a lone survivor fights until one day she/he takes revenge, gets married to the person of their choice, and the sidekick produces some very corny lines and all is well. Now we had a show that went ahead of that, it was not only better, but it was also leagues better. It was like other fantasy shows are not only in the same solar system as this show and now it's all being pulled back by the enormous gravity of stupidity slotting right next to everything. You could have a multi-layered story plot involving literally every single main character in the show but instead, we get this and then we will get prequels and sequels and basically HBO trying to mint as much money as they can from this.

The fans deserved better, this is literally the worst that it could have been and now they've spoken.
 
We can Blame D&D but this is what GRRM wanted at the end, it's his fault as well.
 
Just finished the episode...
I disagree with many here...
It was simply awesome.
 
shah_1 said:
We can Blame D&D but this is what GRRM wanted at the end, it's his fault as well.
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No it isn't has grrm come out and said that these are his stories nope.

Dumb and Dumber clearly got tired of the show and wanted it wrapped up and did it in most efficient way possible damning the plot. Danny turning crazy is foreseeable but I can bet my house she won't go from astute politician to crazy in a chapter, which is what happened. Euron isn't bad Jack sparrow in books he is pure mystic evil, did GRRM tell them to turn euron into that rubbish. Their ideas might have something to do with GRRM the execution has nothing to do with him. Look at how the show was in first 4 seasons where they had the books and then once they crossed the books, quality is miles apart. Nothing to do with GRRM.
 
It looks like Arya is going to kill the mad queen in next episode...
 
jagatk said:
No it isn't has grrm come out and said that these are his stories nope.

Dumb and Dumber clearly got tired of the show and wanted it wrapped up and did it in most efficient way possible damning the plot. Danny turning crazy is foreseeable but I can bet my house she won't go from astute politician to crazy in a chapter, which is what happened. Euron isn't bad Jack sparrow in books he is pure mystic evil, did GRRM tell them to turn euron into that rubbish. Their ideas might have something to do with GRRM the execution has nothing to do with him. Look at how the show was in first 4 seasons where they had the books and then once they crossed the books, quality is miles apart. Nothing to do with GRRM.
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Yup she will be a mad queen in the book as well but it will happen slowly. My problem is with the outcome even it is rushed or not. Did GRRM really plan this end?

The ending is flawed, there is no bitter sweet ending. GRRM needs to speak up and say this is not what I wanted.
 
Feel like we missed one episode between 4 and 5 episodes to show Dany's descent into madness.If this was Game of thrones of earlier upto season 6 we would get that episode.But Alas
 
Jon is the most loyal to the Queen hence he is the one who must kill her.

I was never a book reader however this junk season has forced me to consider this option but then I realize that the author is still working on it for over a decade so I am glad to have at least any ending.
 
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