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There was no other way to beat the army of dead. NK would have kept on raising the dead and all the people would have been killed in Winterfell.
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George R R Martin's book ending and this series will be similar. Lol why people are so upset?
White Walkers was never the most important thing. It was always about the iron throne
I highly doubt that, Lannisters are basically finished in the books. Jamie's left cercie, she has the faith warriors to deal with and unlike the books blowing up a building won't really help her. Brotherhood and Uncat are picking freys off like cherry. There is a conspiracy in the north and Boltons are about to get into a fight of their life and Faegon has the golden army and is already in entered the 7 kingdoms. All this without including Daenerys and her dragons and the dothraki and unsullied.
You don't raise a 10,000+ year old being and then have him be second best to who gets what's left of a rag tag kingdom.
I don’t think [Game of Thrones show-runners] Dan and Dave’s ending is gonna be that different from my ending because of the conversations we did have.
Martin added: “But it’s not completely faithful. And it can’t be.
Otherwise, it would have to run another five seasons.”
The author also confirmed that the group who may very well have hugely different endings to those that are portrayed in the TV series are the secondary characters.
He said: “But on certain secondary characters there may be big differences.”
Main ending will be similar
I have no problem with the Night King dying here because the endgame was always going to be King's Landing. My problem isn't even that it was Arya who killed him....but the how was completely senseless.
She was locked in a room but walked towards the camera and materialised outside. She then proceeds to sneak/fight/run her way through thousands upon thousands of dead (a moment earlier she couldn't sneak past 5 of them) and then even manages to get past the Whitewalkers...then jumps higher than any human has ever jumped.
The books highlight Arya's training as an assassin and the shw gives glimpses of it as well and yet she used none of that in the climax. It was a poor TV decision (feminism and all that) BUT I hope andi n fact know, the books will deal with it better.
It was a very decent episode. There are 3 episodes left so let’s not jump to conclusions. The night king had to lose one way or the other, lol.
The only aspect I will criticise is the lighting, at times you had no idea what www going on. But maybe the whole point was during the fog of war you don’t know what’s happening as everything seems blurred. Still could have been a bit brighter.
I have no problem with the Night King dying here because the endgame was always going to be King's Landing. My problem isn't even that it was Arya who killed him....but the how was completely senseless.
She was locked in a room but walked towards the camera and materialised outside. She then proceeds to sneak/fight/run her way through thousands upon thousands of dead (a moment earlier she couldn't sneak past 5 of them) and then even manages to get past the Whitewalkers...then jumps higher than any human has ever jumped.
The books highlight Arya's training as an assassin and the shw gives glimpses of it as well and yet she used none of that in the climax. It was a poor TV decision (feminism and all that) BUT I hope andi n fact know, the books will deal with it better.
People focusing on the technicalities are missing the whole point
Ignorant comment. Bringing in feminism for no reason. Don’t be one of those people. Suspend your disbelief and realize that she was the best possible character to kill he night king.
Most disappointing episode of the series, can't help but feeling sad about the nerds all over the world investing enormous amount of time, energy and emotion only to see their favorite show turning out to be another young adult soap opera in the end.
and how does that matter to us nerds who actually enjoyed it?
Thank God shows like Deadwood, Twin peaks or The Leftovers never went beyond the cult territory else woke millennial snowflakes would have surely made teen dramas out of them.
So I guess we will never find out who was the NK and what did he really want? The secret of the spiral symbol will also remain a secret now?
Wow you’re so edgy. Imagine comparing stuff like deadwood, breaking bad or the wire (the latter 2 I consider better than GOT) to a show like this. Why are you so mad about what these “nerds” enjoy. Stick to analyzing marvel movies and mediocre cgi villains. People who use the terms sjw, snowflake etc can very safely be ignored
I enjoyed the epside, entertainment wise it was superb. The dead were pretty scary at times as were the battles.
Yes the acting and screenplay werent the best but I gave up on it being a serious series with a strong story without any errors or weaknesses.
The allied human armies reminded of the Indian Air force, some of the tactics were strange. e.g you know dragon glass kills the walkers, so uless Jon Snow has no idea how to use a crossbow, he could have taken them all out pretty quickly but instead decided to fly around the air for a long time doing not much and being taken to the ground.
I enjoyed the epside, entertainment wise it was superb. The dead were pretty scary at times as were the battles.
Yes the acting and screenplay werent the best but I gave up on it being a serious series with a strong story without any errors or weaknesses.
The allied human armies reminded of the Indian Air force, some of the tactics were strange. e.g you know dragon glass kills the walkers, so uless Jon Snow has no idea how to use a crossbow, he could have taken them all out pretty quickly but instead decided to fly around the air for a long time doing not much and being taken to the ground.
Wither now? Dothraki gone, Stark army gone, Unsullied gone.... looks like Cersei holds all the cards.
I agree with the Dragon flying...
The plan of course was to stay at the castle and attack the NK when he was with Bran but Danny, after seeing her army being decimated, decided to take off and he followed suite... I think from that point on he was trying find the NK and finish him before he got to the castle...
That was the point of the snow storm. The WWs didn’t emerge until the wights took out most of the defenders and the dragons were driven off.
So I guess we will never find out who was the NK and what did he really want? The secret of the spiral symbol will also remain a secret now?
Wither now? Dothraki gone, Stark army gone, Unsullied gone.... looks like Cersei holds all the cards.
Loved it.
Only thing is what the f. did the night king want?
Rhaegal is still alive, so is Drogon.
What was Bran doing? Watching Avengers End Game?
Bran Stark.... Tony Stark.... makes sense!
What's stopping Arya from one shotting Cersei while everyone else enjoys a victory brunch?
Cant believe people like this. Such a sharp decline from the first 3 seasons.
Brilliant episode overall, but the Night King’s death was underwhelming. I don’t have any issues with Arya killing him, but it was a bit anticlimactic.
I would have done the following:
After Jon saw the Night King head to Winterfell, he along with Jamie, Hound, Theon, Brienne, Tormund and Grey Worm would have rushed to Bran’s aid because they knew they would go there.
They would form a ring to protect him and fight the Night King, who would overpower them on his own.
This would also have shown the Night King’s might in combat. During the fight, when he is about to kill them all including Bran, Arya would sneak up to him and kill him.
People, especially the book readers have a problem with Arya killing him because she doesn’t fit the Azor Ahai prophecy. Anyway, no matter how they would have gone about it, people would complain.
Nonetheless, what was Jon Snow trying to achieve by screaming at Viserion in the end? Never thought this episode would provide a funny moment, that too at Jon Snow’s behest.
Viserion attempting to burn Jon Snow would obviously not burn because he is a Targaryen would have made for an epic scene as well.
My favorite scene was the one with Sansa and Tyrion. For a moment, I almost thought they were going to commit suicide together. Their chemistry is amazing.
What do you think of Lyanna Mormont killing the giant wight despite being squeezed to pulp? A combination of poor writing and pandering to teen fanbase I think.
Agree with you on the Sana-Tyrion scenes, probably the only saving grace of this episode.
The Bran memes are funny but I don’t think his purpose was ever to take any form of action. He has knowledge of everything and that’s it. His sole purpose in this battle was to bait the night king and it worked out. However, Bran’s storyline for me has been the weakest in the show along with some others like the disastrous sand snakes stuff.
Can’t say I was a fan of it, but they had to give her a heroic closure. At least they didn’t have her kill 3-4 on her own before dying.
Edd Tollett has to be the most underrated character on the show. Barely gets any fan hype, but he was brilliant. His watched has ended in the noblest of ways.
So what army is Dany left with?
2 Dragons
Some Unsullied and some stark men and a few Dothraki may be. At the most she can summon 2k-3k second sons from Essos. Max to max 10k men.
So unless the Dragons burn up the Lannister Army plus the 20k golden company plus 1000 Ships of Euron, she isnt getting the throne. I guess the total army at Cersei's command is in excess of 50k.
Im not sure why the NK decided to have a stare out competition with Bran, was he looking at himself or trying to gain extra pleasure before killing him?
The Night King looked at Bran quizzically and squinted at him before going for his sword. I think this was because the Night King realised at the last moment that Bran had outsmarted him. That’s why he turned around quickly and was (almost) able to stop Arya’s surprise attack - because he had an inkling that he had been fooled.
The Night King looked at Bran quizzically and squinted at him before going for his sword. I think this was because the Night King realised at the last moment that Bran had outsmarted him. That’s why he turned around quickly and was (almost) able to stop Arya’s surprise attack - because he had an inkling that he had been fooled.
A dragon is like having a nuke. Im sure they can take out thousands in one swoop but I think one or both dragons might be killed so will have to be battle between people. Her friends at the iron islands will come back to help her.
This is reasonable.
Benioff & Weiss seemed to be most concerned with creating an OMG moment (which it was to be fair) - the journey to get there ended up with some holes in it.
The stuff that is coming out about the Red Woman’s “Eyes” prophecy 5 seasons ago, and how Arya is gradually fulfilling this, is pretty neat though.
I also thought that the Red Woman’s character arc was completed superbly in this episode.
People don’t know how to appreciate good art but the same incels will drool over avengers movies
What is this eyes prophecy? It is extremely vague.
She says Arya will kill people with blue, brown, and green eyes, these are common eye colours, or am I missing something?
She says Arya will kill people with blue, brown, and green eyes, these are common eye colours, or am I missing something?
The Night King looked at Bran quizzically and squinted at him before going for his sword. I think this was because the Night King realised at the last moment that Bran had outsmarted him. That’s why he turned around quickly and was (almost) able to stop Arya’s surprise attack - because he had an inkling that he had been fooled.
What is this eyes prophecy? It is extremely vague.
She says Arya will kill people with blue, brown, and green eyes, these are common eye colours, or am I missing something?
The Night King looked at Bran quizzically and squinted at him before going for his sword. I think this was because the Night King realised at the last moment that Bran had outsmarted him. That’s why he turned around quickly and was (almost) able to stop Arya’s surprise attack - because he had an inkling that he had been fooled.
Maybe he thought- this is too easy, what have I missed?
One of the WWs spotted Arya’s attack. The NK knew what the WWs knew, hence was able to counter Arya’s move,
They were lured into coming out
The NK was heading towards Bran with his generals, who were laughable as they did nothing in the battle or did nothting to protect their king. Im not sure why the NK decided to have a stare out competition with Bran, was he looking at himself or trying to gain extra pleasure before killing him?
The episode was amazing! Now I want to know who the night king was and he turned white walker.
I think he was Rhaegar Tagarian as he was able to fly the dragon.