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Gary Kirsten steps down as Pakistan's white-ball team coach [Post Updated #17]

Savak said:
Kirsten apparently was unhappy about the senior players including Babar being rested against Zimbabwe.

If that's his vision then good riddance
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Well you don't know that. Unless you have heard this from Kirsten himself you can't be sure that this is what he wanted. The PCB has floated all sorts of lies in the media through their sources, including the claim that he was "trying to blackmail the PCB". What surprises me is that you are willing to take all of PCB's claims at face-value when their history of spreading rumours, lies and the general unprofessionalism is fairly well-documented.
 
The problem with Gillespie and Kirsten was they didn’t really show anything of substance over the last few months.

and yes, I can understand it’s too early to say. However, they didn’t show any great vision either. Kirsten wanted babar to continue ODI captaincy. Was he not watching the 2023 WC?

I didn’t see any change of intent in the t20 WC.

Show us something.

So I don’t necessarily agree with the way this has been handled, but I don’t think either of Gillespie or Kirsten were going to do much.
 
Mamoon said:
It is clear and obvious why. PCB decided to make Aqib their new father and are currently laboring under the delusion that he is some cricketing genius.

The decision to curtail the coach’s influence on selecting the playing XI was the final nail in the coffin and it is a completely dumb idea.

The coach is the one working with the players in training. How can someone who isn’t even part of the dressing room during a series/tournament decide the playing XI? That is madness.

He will have no insight into what the player is feeling like on a particular day, how he is batting/bowling in the nets. All these things can influence the decision of selection.

Kirsten was a far better cricketer than Aqib and he is also a far better coach. There is absolutely no reason why he should be a yes man to an inferior mind like Aqib especially when Kirsten will be the fallout guy when Pakistan don’t win.
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Best case scenario for Aqib. He gets to have all the power but if team doesn't do well Gillespie will be the fall guy. Sad to see Gillespie is letting this happen. I guess he needs to get some international experience under his belt.

A coach of Kirsten's stature was never going to stand for this.
 
As per the report, his decision to quit is down to a rift with red ball coach Jason Gillespie, and the PCB after the board decided to withdraw their selection powers.
 
FearlessRoar said:
As per the report, his decision to quit is down to a rift with red ball coach Jason Gillespie, and the PCB after the board decided to withdraw their selection powers.
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Yeah that makes no sense

He wouldn’t resign the day after the squad and central contracts were announced if it’s a rift with Gillespie

Some key decisions have been made which he isn’t in approval of.
 
Mamoon said:
It is clear and obvious why. PCB decided to make Aqib their new father and are currently laboring under the delusion that he is some cricketing genius.

The decision to curtail the coach’s influence on selecting the playing XI was the final nail in the coffin and it is a completely dumb idea.

The coach is the one working with the players in training. How can someone who isn’t even part of the dressing room during a series/tournament decide the playing XI? That is madness.

He will have no insight into what the player is feeling like on a particular day, how he is batting/bowling in the nets. All these things can influence the decision of selection.

Kirsten was a far better cricketer than Aqib and he is also a far better coach. There is absolutely no reason why he should be a yes man to an inferior mind like Aqib especially when Kirsten will be the fallout guy when Pakistan don’t win.
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That's why we lost to mighty USA. PCB paid millions to loose to USA. Even Bangladesh A team can beat USA.
 
So Gary on plane to Centurion , Gillespie got job enlargement , Aqib the new consigleire of Naqvi, Rizwan is the white ball captain. Fakhar denied central contract and mind you Aqib has a liking for Fakhar , things might take turn further
 
Savak said:
Imo, this was very poor and unprofessional from Kirsten, he needed to first prove he could make a difference to Pakistan Cricket and understand the squad, players, deliver some results with the team before he started making demands and throwing his weight around.

Gillespie equally is not happy with his powers being curtailed but he has taken it on his chin and is focusing on his coaching job. When you rake up wins and win big, you will get people to listen to you automatically
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Exactly!!! Kristen blindly supporting Babar group whom just brought humiliations for years and wanted Haris to be the captain who can't even last 6 balls.
 
FearlessRoar said:
As per the report, his decision to quit is down to a rift with red ball coach Jason Gillespie, and the PCB after the board decided to withdraw their selection powers.
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Makes absolutely no sense. Why would there be a rift between these two when it’s the PCB that took away both their selection powers.

If there was a rift maybe Kirsten wanted both of them to threaten to quit and put pressure on the PCB and dizzy didn’t go along with it. But I’m reaching here. Bit far fetched.
 
Savak said:
PCB apparently demanded that Kirsten spends a lot more time in Pakistan in the academies, watching domestic cricket, holding camps with players and that he will be allowed 1-2 months leave per year. Kirsten refused saying he had his own academy in South Africa to take care off and I am in high demand in the IPL. I will only come for a short time period in Pakistan or will join the team directly on the foreign tours.

He naturally complained about not having authority as a selector, his input on who should be captain respected, disagreements on the selection and non selection of certain players. The PCB countered by saying that if you are not prepared to stay in Pakistan and to spend time with the domestic players, then you will not have any idea about the pool and quality of players available in the system and their progress, therefore leave the selections to the selection committee who are working full time and watching the local players day in day out.
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Savak said:
Kirsten apparently was unhappy about the senior players including Babar being rested against Zimbabwe.

If that's his vision then good riddance
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Absolutely false. This was all discussed and finalized at the time of his appointment.

PCB, as expected, did not keep their end of the bargain and removed him from the selection process. With zero influence on selection and the musical chairs being played with captaincy, who in their right mind would stay in their job?

Please don't post PCB propaganda - no one buys into that anymore.
 
mango_bite77 said:
CT is bit far, he will resign post Australia series.
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100%.

Gillespie only staying for Aus tour. It's only natural for him to stick around for a tour of his homeland.

No one will want to be a part of this circus.

I was stunned when Kirsten took this job. No surprise that he quite.

Naqvi is a clown of the highest order. Appointments, resignations, terminations left right and center without any logic. This guy is as clueless as they come.
 
Shafi said:
Exactly!!! Kristen blindly supporting Babar group whom just brought humiliations for years and wanted Haris to be the captain who can't even last 6 balls.
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Zero evidence of this. Please don't post unverified claims.
 
In my humble opinion the episodes of last couple of days have been nothing short of disaster. I legit wanted some sane heads and some sanity to build on the series win we had but PCB and that incompetent Mohsin Naqvi had other plans. I have no second thoughts about it but Mohsin Naqvi is a poster boy of failures. This guy is absolutely useless and doesn't harness any single competency, bottomline there is is nothing positive about him.

So let me try to summarise what has happened over the last month or so. Heading into England series Pakistan team was creating new lows like literally at every chance they played. They lost to USA, lost of Bangladesh at home (test series whitewashed) and lost to other minnows in the year as well. Now we were rock bottom by this stage and another low was created when we lost first test after posting 550 runs in first innings. Something had to give and it was the seniority brigade of Babar, Shaheen, Naseem, etc that were booted out of the team. In comes Aqib Javed. The guy to his credit didn't run around the bush and ordered the driest of tracks and bought in Nauman and Sajid. The formula worked and Pakistan won the remaining two tests. Credit to Aqib here and take nothing away from him although this had been our formula all our time in Dubai over the past decade but credit to Aqib that everyone who had their heads buried in sand have raised their heads now and acknowledged this is a way to go.

Now come to recent happenings. Squads were to be announced for limited overs series and Mohsin Naqvi believing he is the COAS of Pakistan Cricket realised he felt slightly insulted when Fakhar spoke in favour of Babar. Remember in Pakistan COAS' respect is all that matters and Mohsin Naqvi being COAS of Pakistan Cricket he couldn't just let this slide by as that would empower more such voices and COAS will lose hold of his fort. So in establishment style he kicked Fakhar out of the team ignoring the fact that Fakhar is hands down the biggest matchwinner in this team. At this point team didn't mattered as self-respect was at play. Aqib being the littlefinger he is instigated the COAS to proceed with his action to send a strong discipline message. Gary on the sidelines going like what is wrong with the brains of these idiots and who is now suppose to win even a single game vs Australia? Gary said that he tried with a sane head becoming part of a circus but this is no longer a circus its a joke now and Gary do not want to see himself as a joke so he saw writing on the wall and left now to protect any dignity he can as jokes usually erode dignity thresholds.

This is exactly where we are where we have Mohsin Naqvi (COAS of PCB), Aqib (littlefinger instigating his way to top), players like Babar, Shaheen, Rizwan, etc not on talking terms and amidst all of that we still have Haris Rauf as part of every squad. What will it take to get rid of this tape ball idiot? Not only that not sure if folks noticed but Aqib got his favourite Ahmed Daniyal part of squads too. The guys is a cheaper version of Haris Rauf so you folks can imagine how profoundly good he would be.
 
You cannot unilaterally change the remit of a coach so soon after starting their contract, significantly curtail their role, and expect them to happily comply.

If PCB wanted such a powerful selection committee and a coach whose authority is limited to matchday tactics, they should've specified this before hiring a coach !
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
99% sure Aqib Javed will be the new coach. This is strangely similar to when Mickey got sacked by a committee including Misbah and then Misbah took over his job. Aqib may not be formally responsbile but it seems obvious that he has a big hand in this.
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Yes definitely that bastion wanna taste coaching job again. And he will fail miserably same like before.

Losing Kirsten for this stupid guy who destroyed Qalandars season after season and is because of him Pak are stuck with Haris Rauf a 20/20 bowler and friends of Shaheen gets a free run in ODIs and doesn’t play red ball cricket.
 
Savak said:
Kirsten apparently was unhappy about the senior players including Babar being rested against Zimbabwe.

If that's his vision then good riddance
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Kirsten comes from the school of Woolmer coaching and has a proven track record. If this team is losing against minnows like USA then it’s obvious they will be whitewashed against Zimbabwe the standard of cricket played by Pak and the gap in Intl arena is huge. Fans are always delusional
 
Shafi said:
That's why we lost to mighty USA. PCB paid millions to loose to USA. Even Bangladesh A team can beat USA.
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Pakistan lost to USA because the “experienced and pressure performer” Amir conceded 19 runs in the Super Over. Amir was brought back by Naqvi along with the other unfit loser Imad because of his delusion that these two could make a positive difference for Pakistan.
 
Savak said:
PCB apparently demanded that Kirsten spends a lot more time in Pakistan in the academies, watching domestic cricket, holding camps with players and that he will be allowed 1-2 months leave per year. Kirsten refused saying he had his own academy in South Africa to take care off and I am in high demand in the IPL. I will only come for a short time period in Pakistan or will join the team directly on the foreign tours.

He naturally complained about not having authority as a selector, his input on who should be captain respected, disagreements on the selection and non selection of certain players. The PCB countered by saying that if you are not prepared to stay in Pakistan and to spend time with the domestic players, then you will not have any idea about the pool and quality of players available in the system and their progress, therefore leave the selections to the selection committee who are working full time and watching the local players day in day out.
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If PCB wants a coach to stay 10 months in Pakistan, why even go for a foreign coach?

Just pick Misbah and Waqar or any of the other mentors from Champions Cup and be done with it.
 
I posted on here, soon after the appointments of Kirsten and Gillespie, that they would not last very long.
No foreign coach will ever touch the Pakistan job; nor should they.
Promises are made, and then not kept by their employer, the PCB.
The posters who are saying that they should have no role in selection ignore the fact that they were promised this.

Kirsten is right to leave and Gillespie will follow him soon enough.

If the PCB still want a foreign coach, the chap who coaches part timein our local village 3rd XI in Buckinghamshire might be available. but even he may not think it’s worth the hassle.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Are they seriously using the reason that he wanted so and so on the support staff, and we didn't, as the reason for him leaving? What's wrong with that? Gautam Gambhir recently became India's head coach and brought his entire team from KKR and LSG on-board. When a head-coach comes on, its natural for him to bring people on-board he is comfortable working with.

PCB wanted to neuter Kirsten and make him their puppet, which was never going to happen because Kirsten is an independent professional who has his own vision and a much better understanding of cricket than these clowns. What have any of them ever accomplished in cricket? Aqib Javed's biggest achievement is winning the PSL a couple of times after his team finished last 4 times in a row and was the laughing stock of the entire league. Naqvi is a nepo hire who only has the job because of one man. This guy is the freaking interior minister of this country, but seems to be more interested sitting in cricket meetings.
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PCB is correct in this one. PCB has shown who's the boss.

A coach is just a..... Coach. Should be limited role.
 
Markhor said:
You cannot unilaterally change the remit of a coach so soon after starting their contract, significantly curtail their role, and expect them to happily comply.

If PCB wanted such a powerful selection committee and a coach whose authority is limited to matchday tactics, they should've specified this before hiring a coach !
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I think it’s just a temporary measure as it seems the foreign coaches probably don’t know the domestic players that well. I think because the selection committee comprises azhar, Asad, aleem dar it has some credibility and honesty. I genuinely think Gillespie is flexible and decided to go along with this for the time being. I think he will have more say in Australia and then we will see what happens in Africa. I think that Kirsten can’t work with Pakistani system and has his own way of doing things and this was an easy way out. His heart wasn’t in coaching Pakistan otherwise he would spend time in Pak. but Gillespie looks like a really relaxed team man and is going with things as they stand. I think he will be good for Pakistan.
 
Deeply disappointed with Gary for sure. The team was going down to the hill and still he was insisting to keep Babar, Ifti, Shadab in the team.
 
Aqib got two pitches right and Mohsin Naqvi has given him everything. He will be next coach of pakistan and he will be a disaster.
 
Itachi said:
PCB is correct in this one. PCB has shown who's the boss.

A coach is just a..... Coach. Should be limited role.
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“A coach is just a..... Coach. Should be limited role”

If this is the case, why
1) Go to the expense of hiring a foreign “name”
2) Promise them a broader role.

The only conclusion possible is that the PCB were incompetent or dishonest …. in practice, it is likely to have been both
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan lost to USA because the “experienced and pressure performer” Amir conceded 19 runs in the Super Over. Amir was brought back by Naqvi along with the other unfit loser Imad because of his delusion that these two could make a positive difference for Pakistan.
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As if others were very good. Both Babar and Rizwan were failure so as Shaheen. In ideal world all of them should be banned for creating groups.
 
FearlessRoar said:
As per the report, his decision to quit is down to a rift with red ball coach Jason Gillespie, and the PCB after the board decided to withdraw their selection powers.
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So basically Kirsten disagreed with PCB's delegation of powers to selection committee and he probably wanted Gillespie to protest against PCB with him to take a stand. But Gillespie didn't do anything and so that left Kirsten looking like a C and he left
 
TheSultan said:
Makes absolutely no sense. Why would there be a rift between these two when it’s the PCB that took away both their selection powers.

If there was a rift maybe Kirsten wanted both of them to threaten to quit and put pressure on the PCB and dizzy didn’t go along with it. But I’m reaching here. Bit far fetched.
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There could be a rift if both these coaches weren't on the same page. The fact that Gillespie is still headcoach and was a dummy coach in the England series under Aqib means he didn't had problem with PCB cutting off his wings. But that might be a problem for Kirsten.
 
Hawkeye said:
Good riddance.

People here are wrist slitting as if he was some sort of a visionary and against the inclusion of failed TTFs like Shadab etc.

The PCB is now controlling and limiting the powers that Babar Azam gang had. Great decision by them not to include Babar Shaheen Shadab etc in tours to Zimbabwe.

I’m guessing this may have been one of the disagreement points.

Also, read somewhere Gary was not giving time to Pak and he did not attend the Champions Cup either. Is that true?
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He is a world cup winning coach, that has more creadibility than anything else
 
This was on the cards as I for one expected it as it was surprising as to how someone so astute as Gary Kirsten even came into PCB's trap in the first place.

I have said it numerous times over the last decade that anyone credible wouldn't like to be associated with an organisation which is known to be a mad circus hence I have kept it's name as Pakistan Circus Board.

The way it is going, it would not be long before Dizzy sends in his resignation within the next few months.
 
Gary left because the players refused to play under him after the T20 World Cup. Unfortunately, player power has long been a significant issue in Pakistan cricket, where the game has often been influenced by the players rather than the administrators. After the T20 World Cup, a report by Gary highlighted a lack of unity and support within the team, pointing to internal divisions as a major problem. When Gary's report was leaked, the players felt that he had thrown them under the bus and placed all the blame on them. Kirsten’s proposal to implement three different captains for the various formats was rejected by the PCB, largely due to player resistance, ultimately leading to his departure.

With the players refusing to play under Kirsten’s leadership, the PCB had no choice but to move on from him. A connection camp was organized to address the differences and foster unity, but it failed to achieve its goal, as players remained unconvinced by the PCB’s and Kirsten’s efforts. Since then, the PCB has been grappling with how to address the fallout and manage the team’s dysfunction.
 
Savak said:
According to PCB sources both the foreign coaches were demanding full fledged selection powers and the authority to choose the captain and vice captain but the coaches in return were refusing to stay and spend long periods of time in the country at the NCA, to watch young budding cricketers at the academies and domestic cricket.

The PCB then responded to the coaches that if you just insist on coming a few days before the start of every series, then we are going to give selection powers and authority to the selection committee who atleast live in Pakistan, are fully dedicated to their jobs and have up to date knowledge of domestic cricket and the upcoming players.
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Shouldn't this have been agreed before they were given a contract. In any normal organisation these things are written down and agreed before any contracts are signed and then you have this docile show.
 
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Savak said:
According to PCB sources both the foreign coaches were demanding full fledged selection powers and the authority to choose the captain and vice captain but the coaches in return were refusing to stay and spend long periods of time in the country at the NCA, to watch young budding cricketers at the academies and domestic cricket.

The PCB then responded to the coaches that if you just insist on coming a few days before the start of every series, then we are going to give selection powers and authority to the selection committee who atleast live in Pakistan, are fully dedicated to their jobs and have up to date knowledge of domestic cricket and the upcoming players.
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Umm, didnt pcb know this when hiring these guys??

Like the reason why the likes of Woolmer, and Whatmore got hired was because they agreed to live in Pakistan.

This is why i feel bad about Dean Jones, had he been alive he would had been an ideal coach as he was willing to not live here but was active in taking part of our domestic cricket
 
Somebody remind me Gary Kirsten was a coach or selector?

Secondly what has Gary kirsten done since he has been appointed? There has been no panic from him we have lost world cup and test upon test.

It's only after the new selection panel that we have finally won a test

Gary doesn't have the vision for domestic players and still wants superstar players like Babar shaheen etc.. who have failed us misrebly for the past 3 years.

his job is to coach any player that Is thrown at him not selecting who he wants to coach

Tells us about his IQ, he wanted naseem and shaheen on spin pitches and Babar on spin track who can't play spin to save his life

Just another mickey Arthur too much attitude less work

Can't get over those who lie flat on floor for the goray.

If you want foreign coaches you need to bring in players Who have that mentality these pindu players will only understand danda
 
Bewal Express said:
Shouldn't this have been agreed before they were given a contract. In any normal organisation these things are written down and agreed before any contracts are signed and then you have this docile show.
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Does Mr. Naqvi have enough time to run these things in PCB?
 
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Deewana Mastana said:
This was on the cards as I for one expected it as it was surprising as to how someone so astute as Gary Kirsten even came into PCB's trap in the first place.

I have said it numerous times over the last decade that anyone credible wouldn't like to be associated with an organisation which is known to be a mad circus hence I have kept it's name as Pakistan Circus Board.

The way it is going, it would not be long before Dizzy sends in his resignation within the next few months.
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Circuses may look chaotic but are well organised, on the other hand we have this national embarrassment
 
emranabbas said:
Somebody remind me Gary Kirsten was a coach or selector?

Secondly what has Gary kirsten done since he has been appointed? There has been no panic from him we have lost world cup and test upon test.

It's only after the new selection panel that we have finally won a test

Gary doesn't have the vision for domestic players and still wants superstar players like Babar shaheen etc.. who have failed us misrebly for the past 3 years.

his job is to coach any player that Is thrown at him not selecting who he wants to coach

Tells us about his IQ, he wanted naseem and shaheen on spin pitches and Babar on spin track who can't play spin to save his life

Just another mickey Arthur too much attitude less work

Can't get over those who lie flat on floor for the goray.

If you want foreign coaches you need to bring in players Who have that mentality these pindu players will only understand danda
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Gary had nothing to do with the test selection or Shaheen and Babar on spin pitches.

He is solely the white ball coach.
 
emranabbas said:
Somebody remind me Gary Kirsten was a coach or selector?

Secondly what has Gary kirsten done since he has been appointed? There has been no panic from him we have lost world cup and test upon test.

It's only after the new selection panel that we have finally won a test

Gary doesn't have the vision for domestic players and still wants superstar players like Babar shaheen etc.. who have failed us misrebly for the past 3 years.

his job is to coach any player that Is thrown at him not selecting who he wants to coach

Tells us about his IQ, he wanted naseem and shaheen on spin pitches and Babar on spin track who can't play spin to save his life

Just another mickey Arthur too much attitude less work

Can't get over those who lie flat on floor for the goray.

If you want foreign coaches you need to bring in players Who have that mentality these pindu players will only understand danda
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I dont know which business you're in but No one needs any reminder, each part of your responsibility is written down in a contract. Why has Naqvi just woken up today? Isn't he supposed be really good at administration but apparently forgot to agree a clear contract with clear responsibilities.
 
I hope Dizzy can stay steadfast and stick I am sure Aqib will eventually lose interest in Pakistan once he gets another calling to coach any random franchise
 
Xoib said:
I hope Dizzy can stay steadfast and stick I am sure Aqib will eventually lose interest in Pakistan once he gets another calling to coach any random franchise
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I wouldn’t be surprised if Dizzy is already Dizzy right now.
 
May be may be behind the scenes there was something cooking up between coach and some influential players, don't forget Gary vouched for Rizwan to be captain
 
Kianig89 said:
May be may be behind the scenes there was something cooking up between coach and some influential players, don't forget Gary vouched for Rizwan to be captain
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Yeah that’s not true

How stupid does it sound that he resigned after getting what he vouched for 🤡
 
Waqar Younis also tried to jump in for Kirsten role, but sanity prevailed and Gillespie was elevated as H/Coach
 
emranabbas said:
Don't really want to go down that route but this kid keep causing issues in every thread with his cheap remarks

I don't really care about pakiatani politics pti or plmn but he keeps a grudge if you don't support imran khan

I just want to discuss cricket and that's it not go personal with someone bacuse so and so don't support pti
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It’s about time this rabid dog is put down.

People are allowed to dislike whoever they want. Imran Khan isnt God.
 
emranabbas said:
Somebody remind me Gary Kirsten was a coach or selector?

Secondly what has Gary kirsten done since he has been appointed? There has been no panic from him we have lost world cup and test upon test.

It's only after the new selection panel that we have finally won a test

Gary doesn't have the vision for domestic players and still wants superstar players like Babar shaheen etc.. who have failed us misrebly for the past 3 years.

his job is to coach any player that Is thrown at him not selecting who he wants to coach

Tells us about his IQ, he wanted naseem and shaheen on spin pitches and Babar on spin track who can't play spin to save his life

Just another mickey Arthur too much attitude less work

Can't get over those who lie flat on floor for the goray.

If you want foreign coaches you need to bring in players Who have that mentality these pindu players will only understand danda
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He wasn't even the red ball coach what the hell are you on about? Are these the posters I've been trying to have nuanced discussions with?

Kirsten is a great coach and he knows his standards/worth and isn't willing to compromise at all. Aqib is a clown and a terrible coach.
 
It's wrong to expect a coach to basically be a puppet but at the same time his coaching didn't inspire much in the t20 wc. Dizzy will soon be ditched also since he had already been overruled in tests which shows they don't have much faith in him.
 
PCB is the most stupid board in the world, on what basis that they forced Gary into resignation? Bunch of clowns
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan lost to USA because the “experienced and pressure performer” Amir conceded 19 runs in the Super Over. Amir was brought back by Naqvi along with the other unfit loser Imad because of his delusion that these two could make a positive difference for Pakistan.
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I don’t want to go off topic but you have to be fair to the entire process of holding players accountable..

In this example - we had lost the game long before it went to a Super Over.. Haris couldn’t defend 12 off 3 and we were 20/3 batting first on that Dallas wicket
 
PCB is rampant on social media right now, clarifying Kirsten's attitude was the reason for his ouster.

They really want us to believe that Aqib Javed had nothing to do with this. Gillespie has been made head coach just to make sure there's no uproar on Aqib's appointment so close to Kirsten's resignation.

Just a complete mess.

This organization is being run by a bunch of clowns.

Aqib himself will be thrown away like tissue paper, just like Wahab and Kirsten before. Naqvi is really emotional and seems to not have a handle on management at all.
 
Usman Chadda said:
PCB is rampant on social media right now, clarifying Kirsten's attitude was the reason for his ouster.

They really want us to believe that Aqib Javed had nothing to do with this. Gillespie has been made head coach just to make sure there's no uproar on Aqib's appointment so close to Kirsten's resignation.

Just a complete mess.

This organization is being run by a bunch of clowns.

Aqib himself will be thrown away like tissue paper, just like Wahab and Kirsten before. Naqvi is really emotional and seems to not have a handle on management at all.
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Can you post what PCB is trying to portray?

Probably just a desperate attempt to save face. Lost count of the number of appointments, resignations and firings this board has done. Why in the world would anyone believe them?

Less said about the establishment tout Naqvi the better
 
msb314 said:
I don’t want to go off topic but you have to be fair to the entire process of holding players accountable..

In this example - we had lost the game long before it went to a Super Over.. Haris couldn’t defend 12 off 3 and we were 20/3 batting first on that Dallas wicket
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Mamoon doesn’t want to talk about how Haris couldn’t defend 15 off the last over, or Shaheen’s dropped catch or when US needed 4 to tie meaning that they would’ve needed a boundary, but Babar had long off inside the circle on the last ball when Rauf was bowling full.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Mamoon doesn’t want to talk about how Haris couldn’t defend 15 off the last over, or Shaheen’s dropped catch or when US needed 4 to tie meaning that they would’ve needed a boundary, but Babar had long off inside the circle on the last ball when Rauf was bowling full.
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That whole game was a sh*tshow. Anybody who believes Pakistan lost that game because of Amir's last over only is just clowning themselves
 
RidiculousMan said:
That whole game was a sh*tshow. Anybody who believes Pakistan lost that game because of Amir's last over only is just clowning themselves
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We did lose because of Amir.

Technically the match was tied until the super over.
 
Just when we think PCB cant stoop any lower..they always surprise and shame us..
This is utterly disgusting and shameful behaviour byPCB.. going back on your contractual agreements and then painting a professional coach like Gary Kirsten as villain, who is supposedly blackmailing PCB, as per PCB..

Gary has coached around the world…has proven coaching credentials…he is a through professional..Who in the world will believe that Gary was blackmailing PCB … Imagine losing Gary Kirsten for a loser and power hungry Aqib Javed… only PCB can allow this…

Thsse 2 test wins will prove to be extremely costly for Pakistan..
 
No need to be emotional, Gary is a coach high on demand in mercenary world he will grab a SAt20 contract and will earn lot more that too with home comforts, Pakistan cricket and its idiosyncrasies cannot afford a decent foreign coach.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
We did lose because of Amir.

Technically the match was tied until the super over.
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Is it because chasing 18 off 6 vs USA cannot be done?

USA scored 11 off the last 3 balls in the 20th over, yet we could only score 13 off 6 in the super over?

Also, if you’re tied with the USA after 40 overs, you’ve already lost.
 
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