Gujarat Files: Indian journalist prevented from flying to Europe to speak about intimidation

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A prominent Indian journalist has been prevented from flying to Europe to speak about intimidation of journalists and rights in the world’s largest democracy.




Rana Ayyub, an outspoken critic of the government of Narendra Modi and columnist for the Washington Post, was not allowed to board a flight at Mumbai airport on Tuesday. She had been due to travel to London to address a conference at the International Centre for Journalists.

“I was stopped today at the Indian immigration while I was about to board my flight to London to deliver my speech on the intimidation of journalists with @ICFJ. I was to travel to Italy right after to deliver the keynote address at the @journalismfest on the Indian democracy,” she said in a tweet.

Ayyub said she had previously publicised her planned trips on social media but the Enforcement Directorate – which investigates economic crimes such as money laundering – issued a last-minute summons to appear at its offices while she was already at the airports.

The International Centre for Journalists protested in a tweet. “ICFJ stands with @RanaAyyub and we reiterate our demand for the Indian authorities to end their legal and digital harassment campaign against the multi-award-winning @washingtonpost journalist. #LetRanaFly #WeStandWithRana.”

Ayyub, 37, says she has been subjected to harassment by far-right Hindu groups because of her reporting. Her book, Gujarat Files, on the anti-Muslim pogram in 2002, accuses Modi, who was ruling the state at the time, of being complicit in the atrocity.

In February, UN rights experts called on the government to stop “misogynistic and sectarian” online attacks against her.

Under the Modi government, journalists and civil rights activists have complained of curtailed freedom and harassment. In 2020 Muslim comedian Munawar Faruqui spent weeks in jail over a supposedly anti-Hindu joke he had not told. Facebook posts disparaging the government can occasionally result in a knock on the door by a policeman.

The directorate’s summons relates to an investigation it is carrying out into alleged misuse of public donations collected by Ayyub for humanitarian relief work. It alleges that she used the funds for her personal use and submitted fake bills to claim expenses. In February, the directorate froze more than 15 million rupees in her accounts. She has denied the allegations.

Analysts say that the directorate is routinely used as a tool by governments of every stripe to intimidate and silence opposition politicians and others by accusing them of corruption or money laundering.

State sponsorship of "The Kashmir Files" but not even allowing discussion abroad about what happened in Gujarat? Indian "justice system" swinging for the govt again?

 

[Lego20]

You want to know what happened in Gujarat?
1. Train full of Hindu pilgrims (women and children) were set ablaze by a Muslim mob
2. Hindus reacted and there was a riot out of control
3. Both Hindus and Muslims lost lives.
4. Court has absolved the then govt including Modi of any wrong doing
5. Convicted individuals punished.

So there. Started by muslims and then both sides over-reacted. No govt complicity found.

 

[Local.Dada]

Anyways on topic, the journalist was accused of money laundering and financial fraud before this event. Unless you are a head of a state or a multi-billionaire, rest of us have to fall in line and stay in the country where those charges are pending. Life isn’t fair I know.

Now you might say there is an agenda, I am not sure based on past experiences there will be much to say to make you think otherwise, so I will leave it at that.

That’s all there is to it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Anyways on topic, the journalist was accused of money laundering and financial fraud before this event. Unless you are a head of a state or a multi-billionaire, rest of us have to fall in line and stay in the country where those charges are pending. Life isn’t fair I know.

Now you might say there is an agenda, I am not sure based on past experiences there will be much to say to make you think otherwise, so I will leave it at that.

That’s all there is to it.

As for charges suddenly being filed against the journalist preventing her from travelling abroad and telling her story, we take a dim view of that in Britain. We believe in free speech, especially from journalists who take great risks to present a view from the other side to that which a hindu supremacist govt would prefer us to hear.

 

[Itachi]

So if a person is journalist, then he or she should be allowed to move free even if there is FIR against money laundering/fraud in donation case to the amount of crores while investigation is going on.....

I guess people come with their own agendas.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

You want to know what happened in Gujarat?
1. Train full of Hindu pilgrims (women and children) were set ablaze by a Muslim mob
2. Hindus reacted and there was a riot out of control
3. Both Hindus and Muslims lost lives.
4. Court has absolved the then govt including Modi of any wrong doing
5. Convicted individuals punished.

So there. Started by muslims and then both sides over-reacted. No govt complicity found.

The first event was destroying a Muslim mosque unconstitutionally

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Also, the Gujarat Files is a good epitome of this lady. A book that has been summed up by the Supreme Court like so: "it is based upon surmises, conjectures, and suppositions and has no evidentiary value."

Basically a work of a poison pen and self-called journalist.

 

[cricketjoshila]

She is an accused, and the main accused in a financial fraud and money laundering case. Hence she was stopped.

Jacqueline Fernandez a bollywood heroine of sri Lanka was also stopped, even though she was not the main accused, but received financial benefits from the accused.

Her book Gujarat files was described by the supreme court as,


Referring to the Ayyub's book "Gujarat Files Anatomy of a coverup", the bench said, "The Book by Rana Ayyub is of no utility. It is based upon surmises, conjectures, and suppositions and has no evidentiary value".

"The opinion of a person is not in the realm of the evidence

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wap.bu...ya-case-slaps-rs-50k-fine-119070501462_1.html


Poor Guardian, still thinks they will tell what should or shouldn't happen in the former colonies.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The first event was destroying a Muslim mosque unconstitutionally

Godhra happened in 2002.

Mosque was demolished in 1992.

What is the connection?

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

The first event was destroying a Muslim mosque unconstitutionally

So people not connected in any way with the demolition can be burned alive?

Nice to see that there is a justification for murdering people. How far do you want to go back in history for atrocities? At least there is consistency from the Kashmir thread that there is justification for people to be killed for religious reasons.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So was the state sponsored Kashmir Files film basically ripping off the title from Ms Ayyub's book? It's bad enough the govt want to silence her, but if they took inspiration from her work that makes them look even more conniving. Her book was published in 2016, the film has come out in 2022.

 

[Itachi]

So was the state sponsored Kashmir Files film basically ripping off the title from Ms Ayyub's book? It's bad enough the govt want to silence her, but if they took inspiration from her work that makes them look even more conniving. Her book was published in 2016, the film has come out in 2022.

So.... The subject of the thread has been changed from Ayyub's stopping of going out of India to the Kashmir files (after the exposing that she has been declined to go outside due to ongoing investigation of fraud/money laundering.)....

That's ok but seems like it hit a dead end.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

So was the state sponsored Kashmir Files film basically ripping off the title from Ms Ayyub's book? It's bad enough the govt want to silence her, but if they took inspiration from her work that makes them look even more conniving. Her book was published in 2016, the film has come out in 2022.

So according to your logic Rana ripped off her title from the X-files? Doesn't make sense other than that she likes writing fiction too.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So according to your logic Rana ripped off her title from the X-files? Doesn't make sense other than that she likes writing fiction too.

Ms Ayyub has no relation with the X-Files, whereas she is an Indian citizen and you would not expect the Indian govt to try to shut down a critic then steal her title for their own media campaign. A govt's job should be to serve the people not prosecute them then rip off their ideas.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ms Ayyub has no relation with the X-Files, whereas she is an Indian citizen and you would not expect the Indian govt to try to shut down a critic then steal her title for their own media campaign. A govt's job should be to serve the people not prosecute them then rip off their ideas.

A criminal accused should not be prosecuted? Why?

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Ms Ayyub has no relation with the X-Files, whereas she is an Indian citizen and you would not expect the Indian govt to try to shut down a critic then steal her title for their own media campaign. A govt's job should be to serve the people not prosecute them then rip off their ideas.

You do have some imagination. So not only do you know that the Indian govt commissioned this movie and stole her idea from the title - you have also decided she is being prosecuted unfairly when she herself is at a loss to explain her financial moves. You are even better than that guy who can write reviews for movies just by watching trailers.

 

[Itachi]

You do have some imagination. So not only do you know that the Indian govt commissioned this movie and stole her idea from the title - you have also decided she is being prosecuted unfairly when she herself is at a loss to explain her financial moves. You are even better than that guy who can write reviews for movies just by watching trailers.

He came with a propoganda but it backfired pretty quick due to lack of research and trusting half cooked article.

Now he is trying it to deflect towards a different direction but there's not much room to be honest.

I've to be honest. I am admiring his effort where he is trying to do his best in a worst case scenario. Have to give credit where it is due.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

He came with a propoganda but it backfired pretty quick due to lack of research and trusting half cooked article.

Now he is trying it to deflect towards a different direction but there's not much room to be honest.

I've to be honest. I am admiring his effort where he is trying to do his best in a worst case scenario. Have to give credit where it is due.

He is prolific for sure and untiring.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

He came with a propoganda but it backfired pretty quick due to lack of research and trusting half cooked article.

Now he is trying it to deflect towards a different direction but there's not much room to be honest.

I've to be honest. I am admiring his effort where he is trying to do his best in a worst case scenario. Have to give credit where it is due.

How do you know it is a half cooked article? Read the last two lines:

Analysts say that the directorate is routinely used as a tool by governments of every stripe to intimidate and silence opposition politicians and others by accusing them of corruption or money laundering.


Do you think that the denials of ardent Hindutvas progating on this site will make us disbelieve this? By their very nature they will support their govt to the hilt.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

How do you know it is a half cooked article? Read the last two lines:

Analysts say that the directorate is routinely used as a tool by governments of every stripe to intimidate and silence opposition politicians and others by accusing them of corruption or money laundering.


Do you think that the denials of ardent Hindutvas progating on this site will make us disbelieve this? By their very nature they will support their govt to the hilt.

Do you even know what is she is being investigated for? Would help if you had a little understanding of that.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The book sounds interesting.

Its not surprise the Hindutva extremist government whose leader allowed/inspired the murder of so many would attack an author/journalist for speaking the truth.

Where can this book be read online?

 

[Itachi]

How do you know it is a half cooked article? Read the last two lines:

Analysts say that the directorate is routinely used as a tool by governments of every stripe to intimidate and silence opposition politicians and others by accusing them of corruption or money laundering.


Do you think that the denials of ardent Hindutvas progating on this site will make us disbelieve this? By their very nature they will support their govt to the hilt.

I don't think anyone cares what others think here. We are here to just forward arguments.

But no one should bring half cooked article in PP. That's my opinion. It degrades the quality of the platform.

 

[Lego20]

The book sounds interesting.

Its not surprise the Hindutva extremist government whose leader allowed/inspired the murder of so many would attack an author/journalist for speaking the truth.

Where can this book be read online?

Why read? You already made up your mind. More content to troll?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why read? You already made up your mind. More content to troll?

To Hindutva followers discussing the massacre of Muslims in Gujrat maybe trolling but to others its important information.

Im aware of much of the details but an Indian author will of course have more details.

Have you read the book?

 

[Jadz]

It really is a shame that India is lurching ever further to the right of politics and religion, a great country, awesome history, amazing civilizations, having contributed massively to human knowledge through its language, culture, religion, traditions. It is being reduced to a fanatical, extremist, rogue State by a leader who has brainwashed the masses into believing he is their saviour from evil Muslims - though he has no qualms about importing Muslim oil and Indians have no issues receiving remunerations from their relatives in the Arab/Muslim world.

As one who loves India and Indians (except fake Bollywood, which constitutes a crime against beautiful Indian culture and values, no better than Hollywooden) - I pray my Indian brethren will reject division and hate, and embrace unity and peace.

Rana Ayyub is world famous - she has a lot of support both inside and outside of India



https://twitter.com/sharmasupriya/status/1508981823174766596

https://twitter.com/RanaAyyub/status/1495411439938732034

 

[KingKhanWC]

It really is a shame that India is lurching ever further to the right of politics and religion, a great country, awesome history, amazing civilizations, having contributed massively to human knowledge through its language, culture, religion, traditions. It is being reduced to a fanatical, extremist, rogue State by a leader who has brainwashed the masses into believing he is their saviour from evil Muslims - though he has no qualms about importing Muslim oil and Indians have no issues receiving remunerations from their relatives in the Arab/Muslim world.

As one who loves India and Indians (except fake Bollywood, which constitutes a crime against beautiful Indian culture and values, no better than Hollywooden) - I pray my Indian brethren will reject division and hate, and embrace unity and peace.

Rana Ayyub is world famous - she has a lot of support both inside and outside of India



https://twitter.com/sharmasupriya/status/1508981823174766596

https://twitter.com/RanaAyyub/status/1495411439938732034

Im worried for this lady's safety, she is very brave to take on hardcore extremists who have no qualms of lynching Muslims and disgustingly raping Muslim women.

Perhaps Pakistan or another nation can give her asylum?

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

It really is a shame that India is lurching ever further to the right of politics and religion, a great country, awesome history, amazing civilizations, having contributed massively to human knowledge through its language, culture, religion, traditions. It is being reduced to a fanatical, extremist, rogue State by a leader who has brainwashed the masses into believing he is their saviour from evil Muslims - though he has no qualms about importing Muslim oil and Indians have no issues receiving remunerations from their relatives in the Arab/Muslim world.

As one who loves India and Indians (except fake Bollywood, which constitutes a crime against beautiful Indian culture and values, no better than Hollywooden) - I pray my Indian brethren will reject division and hate, and embrace unity and peace.

Rana Ayyub is world famous - she has a lot of support both inside and outside of India



https://twitter.com/sharmasupriya/status/1508981823174766596

https://twitter.com/RanaAyyub/status/1495411439938732034

She is definitely a world-famous fiction writer. Agreed. That doesn't mean she shouldn't be investigated for fraud though? As a well-wisher of India you must want the law of the land to apply right?

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Im worried for this lady's safety, she is very brave to take on hardcore extremists who have no qualms of lynching Muslims and disgustingly raping Muslim women.

Perhaps Pakistan or another nation can give her asylum?

That is a wonderful idea! Pls take her! We have a few others as well who would love to live in Pak.

 

[KingKhanWC]

That is a wonderful idea! Pls take her! We have a few others as well who would love to live in Pak.

To save her honour and her life ,it would be a great thing to do.

You've probably got millions of Muslims also many Christians who are fearful of Saffron extermists and would love to live in a safe place.

It seems you dont care about her safety?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ayyub, a Muslim journalist who is often critical of Hindu right-wing politicians, has a long history of being trolled and threatened online for her work. In 2018 her face was morphed onto a pornographic video clip and circulated via WhatsApp, and over the last year she was listed on two anti-Muslim apps that offered her for sale in a demeaning fake “auction” publicized on Twitter.

The harassment escalated in January, when Ayyub received more than 26,000 tweets, many of them containing death and rape threats, after she tweeted criticism of the Saudi Arabia government’s ongoing role in the Yemen war. The threats only intensified when a news website published a video that included a doctored photo of a tweet purportedly by Ayyub, saying, “I hate India and I hate Indians.”

https://cpj.org/2022/04/indian-jour...g-death-threats-and-a-money-laundering-probe/

Why do Hindu extremists always resort to rape threats?

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

To save her honour and her life ,it would be a great thing to do.

You've probably got millions of Muslims also many Christians who are fearful of Saffron extermists and would love to live in a safe place.

It seems you dont care about her safety?

She seems to have thrived in the last 7 yrs. I am quite confident she will be fine. However, you seem to be very concerned for her. She is quite active on social media. I am sure she will be overwhelmed by your offer for her to relocate to Pak.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

https://cpj.org/2022/04/indian-jour...g-death-threats-and-a-money-laundering-probe/

Why do Hindu extremists always resort to rape threats?

You may want to see who sent those threats to her.

Surprise twist for you waiting!

 

[KingKhanWC]

She seems to have thrived in the last 7 yrs. I am quite confident she will be fine. However, you seem to be very concerned for her. She is quite active on social media. I am sure she will be overwhelmed by your offer for her to relocate to Pak.

You may want to see who sent those threats to her.

Surprise twist for you waiting!

Fatima Khan had just returned home from a reporting assignment when she discovered she’d become of more than 100 women listed as being “for sale” in the notorious app Bulli Bai.

The site, named by combining a vulgar, derogatory slang for Muslim women (bulli) with the Hindi word for female servant (bai), operated by pulling the target’s publicly available photos and contact information from social media and offering the women for sale in a demeaning fake auction publicized on Twitter.

https://cpj.org/2022/01/women-journalists-india-auction-apps-online-abuse/

We are all well aware of India's repuation in sexually abusing women.

Please explain why Hindutva extremists enjoy these type of threats?

 

[Local.Dada]

https://cpj.org/2022/01/women-journalists-india-auction-apps-online-abuse/

We are all well aware of India's repuation in sexually abusing women.

Please explain why Hindutva extremists enjoy these type of threats?

India has law and order issues and criminals just like every other country in the world. At least we are getting praised for our foreign and economic policies. Maybe you need to learn this from your hero. Don’t worry about these things in India. It is what it is. Plenty of positive things for one to learn all good.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

https://cpj.org/2022/01/women-journalists-india-auction-apps-online-abuse/

We are all well aware of India's repuation in sexually abusing women.

Please explain why Hindutva extremists enjoy these type of threats?

First, find out who sent the threats to her for her speech against the Saudis. I think you missed that part in your haste to find something to post. I guarantee you will be surprised!

 

[cricketjoshila]

How do you know it is a half cooked article? Read the last two lines:

Analysts say that the directorate is routinely used as a tool by governments of every stripe to intimidate and silence opposition politicians and others by accusing them of corruption or money laundering.


Do you think that the denials of ardent Hindutvas progating on this site will make us disbelieve this? By their very nature they will support their govt to the hilt.

What analyst? Which analyst? Just throwing around un named analyst names?

 

[cricketjoshila]

It really is a shame that India is lurching ever further to the right of politics and religion, a great country, awesome history, amazing civilizations, having contributed massively to human knowledge through its language, culture, religion, traditions. It is being reduced to a fanatical, extremist, rogue State by a leader who has brainwashed the masses into believing he is their saviour from evil Muslims - though he has no qualms about importing Muslim oil and Indians have no issues receiving remunerations from their relatives in the Arab/Muslim world.

As one who loves India and Indians (except fake Bollywood, which constitutes a crime against beautiful Indian culture and values, no better than Hollywooden) - I pray my Indian brethren will reject division and hate, and embrace unity and peace.

Rana Ayyub is world famous - she has a lot of support both inside and outside of India



https://twitter.com/sharmasupriya/status/1508981823174766596

https://twitter.com/RanaAyyub/status/1495411439938732034

Extremist Rogue state? And that judgement has come through what?

A leader is elected by the people, if the people don't have a problem, doesn't matter if foreigners do.

I dont see these oil supplying muslim nations having any issues with India. Infact some of them have honoured Modi with highest civilian awards.

Do not confuse hatred of Modi by Leftists, islamists in India and Pakistan as hatred by the larger muslim world

Support doesn't change the fact that she has been accused of financial fraud and mobey laundering. She peddles a narrative that a certain section wants and thats that.

 

[KingKhanWC]

First, find out who sent the threats to her for her speech against the Saudis. I think you missed that part in your haste to find something to post. I guarantee you will be surprised!

Only someone in denial and a supporter of Modi would dismiss the rape and death threats not just her but many female journalists have recieved IN India.

Again, why do Hindutva want to always punish by raping women?

 

[Local.Dada]

Extremist Rogue state? And that judgement has come through what?

A leader is elected by the people, if the people don't have a problem, doesn't matter if foreigners do.

I dont see these oil supplying muslim nations having any issues with India. Infact some of them have honoured Modi with highest civilian awards.

Do not confuse hatred of Modi by Leftists, islamists in India and Pakistan as hatred by the larger muslim world

Support doesn't change the fact that she has been accused of financial fraud and mobey laundering. She peddles a narrative that a certain section wants and thats that.

At this point do we need to run these points again?

Clearly Pakistanis and even their government can see the positive things that happen when there is a capable and stable government at the centre.

These kind of rhetoric happens in India as well so can’t blame Pakistanis. This is just an half baked half intellectual argument with a lot of fluff which we hear all the time.

Firstly lol at world famous journalist. She is a freelance writer and a Twitter influencer.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Only someone in denial and a supporter of Modi would dismiss the rape and death threats not just her but many female journalists have recieved IN India.

Again, why do Hindutva want to always punish by raping women?

But did you find out who sent her all those threats for posting about the Saudis?

 

[KingKhanWC]

But did you find out who sent her all those threats for posting about the Saudis?

Why are you trying to divert from her biggest threat from within India from Hindu extremists? Are you saying there are no threats to her from Hindu extremists?> India isnt known as the worlds worst place for women for no reason?

 

[Jadz]

She is definitely a world-famous fiction writer. Agreed. That doesn't mean she shouldn't be investigated for fraud though? As a well-wisher of India you must want the law of the land to apply right?

Yes, of course Brother - as a well-wisher of India (my Father was born in India and am I sure many of our PakPassion Pakistani brethren have links to India) I do want the Law of the land to be upheld.

The problem appears to be a reluctance on the part of many well-intentioned Indians to attribute any nefarious agenda to Narendra Modi and his BJP party, or the far-right political and religious ideology they subscribe to. They interpret criticism of Modi as hatred of India and Hindus - which is unfortunate.

In the UK people of Indian-Hindu and Pakistani-Muslim heritage live side by side, in peaceful co-existence - people attend Diwali and Eid celebrations, the weddings of friends and so on. There might be conflict or tension sometimes, but not to the extent one would imagine. So this proves that peoples of the sub-Continent can live together without resorting to killing each other in the name of nationalism, religion or both.

Governments often target journalists and opposition figures when they want to create a distraction and epic diversion, when they want to demonize and dehumanize an individual or entity that has exposed the corruption and hypocrisy - or worse - practised at the highest level. We know this from the way Jamal Khashoggi was butchered by the war criminal Saudi regime, the way Julian Assange has been tortured, persecuted and incarcerated (for revealing US war crimes).

The government has the power to manufacture 'evidence' to indict and silence a powerful voice - and this is what the Modi government is doing to Rana Ayyub. And you are very much mistaken if you think I support her cause because she is a Muslim - there are Hindus who support her (check the links I posted to her Twitter account).

Anyway, do not be too hasty in supporting Modi and believing the allegations made against Ayyub - those who reject truth-tellers create the conditions for fascism to take hold, for their nations to be destroyed.

 

[Itachi]

Why are you trying to divert from her biggest threat from within India from Hindu extremists? Are you saying there are no threats to her from Hindu extremists?> India isnt known as the worlds worst place for women for no reason?

So.... It seems you couldn't answer his point about threats relating to posting about Saudis.

 

[Itachi]

Yes, of course Brother - as a well-wisher of India (my Father was born in India and am I sure many of our PakPassion Pakistani brethren have links to India) I do want the Law of the land to be upheld.

The problem appears to be a reluctance on the part of many well-intentioned Indians to attribute any nefarious agenda to Narendra Modi and his BJP party, or the far-right political and religious ideology they subscribe to. They interpret criticism of Modi as hatred of India and Hindus - which is unfortunate.

In the UK people of Indian-Hindu and Pakistani-Muslim heritage live side by side, in peaceful co-existence - people attend Diwali and Eid celebrations, the weddings of friends and so on. There might be conflict or tension sometimes, but not to the extent one would imagine. So this proves that peoples of the sub-Continent can live together without resorting to killing each other in the name of nationalism, religion or both.

Governments often target journalists and opposition figures when they want to create a distraction and epic diversion, when they want to demonize and dehumanize an individual or entity that has exposed the corruption and hypocrisy - or worse - practised at the highest level. We know this from the way Jamal Khashoggi was butchered by the war criminal Saudi regime, the way Julian Assange has been tortured, persecuted and incarcerated (for revealing US war crimes).

The government has the power to manufacture 'evidence' to indict and silence a powerful voice - and this is what the Modi government is doing to Rana Ayyub. And you are very much mistaken if you think I support her cause because she is a Muslim - there are Hindus who support her (check the links I posted to her Twitter account).

Anyway, do not be too hasty in supporting Modi and believing the allegations made against Ayyub - those who reject truth-tellers create the conditions for fascism to take hold, for their nations to be destroyed.

But should a man/woman, who is under investigation for financial fraud, should be allowed to leave the country?

 

[Itachi]

I think by this time, people should realize that Rana Ayyub context is a double edged sword.

If you want to use the context to propagate your agenda, it will also backfire since the same logic that will apply, it will go against you too.

OP being smart enough, quickly realized it and later resorted to a different argument. The others should follow the same path.

 

[Technics 1210]

Only in India are you convicted first then investigated. Oh my!

 

[Itachi]

Only in India are you convicted first then investigated. Oh my!

Apologies. English isn't my first language and it was my mistake. Should have used alleged.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What analyst? Which analyst? Just throwing around un named analyst names?

I am quoting the article which is talking in generic terms about third world countries. If you had read it properly you might have realised that it wasn't necessarily a barb raised specifically against India, just making a valid point that this method of intimidation is used by lots of governments to silence critics.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I think by this time, people should realize that Rana Ayyub context is a double edged sword.

If you want to use the context to propagate your agenda, it will also backfire since the same logic that will apply, it will go against you too.

OP being smart enough, quickly realized it and later resorted to a different argument. The others should follow the same path.

What are you talking about? What different argument? If you are talking about the state sponsored makers of Kasmhmiri Files ripping off the title from Rana Ayyub's book, that wasn't an argument, it was question whether that was the case given that her book was published in 2016 and the film came out in 2022. There is an obvious correlation.

 

[Jadz]

But should a man/woman, who is under investigation for financial fraud, should be allowed to leave the country?

Yes, of course Brother - an individual under investigation has not been charged, indicted, been found guilty and jailed. Under the Law there is the concept of presumed innocence - the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person is guilty of the offence (s)he has been charged with. That is an extremely high burden to meet, so unless India has altered its criminal and judicial system to attribute criminal guilt without meeting that standard then all Indians should be very concerned about the path the country is travelling down, because the destination is fascism.

The government will not permit Ayyub to leave because they fear she will expand her investigative journalism, will publish it internationally and garner greater support from powerful individuals and entities in the West. My suggestion: do not believe the State or its propaganda arm, corporate media, they are in the business of maintaining power through divide and rule - they are not in the business of telling the truth or serving the interests of their citizens.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Yes, of course Brother - an individual under investigation has not been charged, indicted, been found guilty and jailed. Under the Law there is the concept of presumed innocence - the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person is guilty of the offence (s)he has been charged with. That is an extremely high burden to meet, so unless India has altered its criminal and judicial system to attribute criminal guilt without meeting that standard then all Indians should be very concerned about the path the country is travelling down, because the destination is fascism.

The government will not permit Ayyub to leave because they fear she will expand her investigative journalism, will publish it internationally and garner greater support from powerful individuals and entities in the West. My suggestion: do not believe the State or its propaganda arm, corporate media, they are in the business of maintaining power through divide and rule - they are not in the business of telling the truth or serving the interests of their citizens.

She is not an investigative journalist. She is a fiction writer. If you note the first few posts you will see what the SC of India has to say about her journalism when her findings in her book were taken as proof in a case.

Any person charged with a crime is considered to be a flight risk and is not allowed to leave the country. The same thing applies to her. You don't need to be convicted for this. It is a common practice across the world. Anyone in this situation is supposed to apply for an exception to this in court - which she has done now. If she is able to convince the court that she is not a flight risk she can travel abroad.

 

[LongtimeLurk3r]

Yes, of course Brother - an individual under investigation has not been charged, indicted, been found guilty and jailed. Under the Law there is the concept of presumed innocence - the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the person is guilty of the offence (s)he has been charged with. That is an extremely high burden to meet, so unless India has altered its criminal and judicial system to attribute criminal guilt without meeting that standard then all Indians should be very concerned about the path the country is travelling down, because the destination is fascism.

The government will not permit Ayyub to leave because they fear she will expand her investigative journalism, will publish it internationally and garner greater support from powerful individuals and entities in the West. My suggestion: do not believe the State or its propaganda arm, corporate media, they are in the business of maintaining power through divide and rule - they are not in the business of telling the truth or serving the interests of their citizens.

In fact this is not her only open case. She has another open case against her for peddling false information. The last time she wanted to travel abroad she was granted an exemption to travel. She has additional cases against her now. She knew the process - but still brazenly tried to travel without adequate permissions.

 

[Romali_rotti]

My thoughts on this issue:

This Rana Ayub travelling to Europe to talk about Gujarat files is not much of a concern for BJP, as lots of ppl have already talked on this subject already overseas.

Rana Ayub is also not an influential or famous journalist, she is making an issue out of this to promote her agenda. Since she was stopped due to money laundering issues, she saw it as the perfect platform to promote her agenda to cover up her embarrassment of being stopped to travel due to money laundering.

If she was someone like say a Karan Thapar, then there would be more weight to it, but since she is not, she is essentially a no one.

There maybe some truth in her book which no one can deny, however I feel (could be wrong) she would not talk much about the train that was burned down by the muslims which started the whole incident...

 

[Jadz]

My thoughts on this issue:

This Rana Ayub travelling to Europe to talk about Gujarat files is not much of a concern for BJP, as lots of ppl have already talked on this subject already overseas.

Rana Ayub is also not an influential or famous journalist, she is making an issue out of this to promote her agenda. Since she was stopped due to money laundering issues, she saw it as the perfect platform to promote her agenda to cover up her embarrassment of being stopped to travel due to money laundering.

If she was someone like say a Karan Thapar, then there would be more weight to it, but since she is not, she is essentially a no one.

There maybe some truth in her book which no one can deny, however I feel (could be wrong) she would not talk much about the train that was burned down by the muslims which started the whole incident...

Only those who believe State propaganda belittle Rana Ayyub and reject her credibility as a world-renowned international, investigative journalist.

The following is an article by the Committee To Protect Journalists - CPJ

'Rana Ayyub, is one of India’s most high-profile investigative journalists, with a Washington Post column, a Substack newsletter, a popular Twitter presence with an audience of 1.5 million, as well as a controversial 2016 book alleging that government officials were implicated in the 2002 riots that killed Muslims in Gujarat. But in recent months Indian authorities have prevented her from accessing any income from her journalism.

On February 4, authorities froze her bank account for the second time in six months as part of a money laundering and tax evasion investigation into whether Ayyub had mishandled money that she raised for victims of COVID-19. On March 29, Indian authorities refused to let her fly to a journalism event in London because of the probe.

https://cpj.org/2022/04/indian-jour...g-death-threats-and-a-money-laundering-probe/

 

[Romali_rotti]

Only those who believe State propaganda belittle Rana Ayyub and reject her credibility as a world-renowned international, investigative journalist.

The following is an article by the Committee To Protect Journalists - CPJ

'Rana Ayyub, is one of India’s most high-profile investigative journalists, with a Washington Post column, a Substack newsletter, a popular Twitter presence with an audience of 1.5 million, as well as a controversial 2016 book alleging that government officials were implicated in the 2002 riots that killed Muslims in Gujarat. But in recent months Indian authorities have prevented her from accessing any income from her journalism.

On February 4, authorities froze her bank account for the second time in six months as part of a money laundering and tax evasion investigation into whether Ayyub had mishandled money that she raised for victims of COVID-19. On March 29, Indian authorities refused to let her fly to a journalism event in London because of the probe.

https://cpj.org/2022/04/indian-jour...g-death-threats-and-a-money-laundering-probe/

What I stated above doesn't change, I am not denying that the Gujarat files may contain truths and facts. However Rana Ayub attempting to board a flight to UK to promote her book, wont do anything to the current Indian government. PM Modi is in the top 10 most powerful leaders in the world. The Arabs are dancing around him, UAE Arab government gave him the highest civilian honor, Saudi leadership view him very highly, I doubt the PM would be worrying about a Rana Ayyub, no offense.

What I find disturbing here is, this muslim victim mentality, in Gujarat they burned a full carriage of innocent ppl, BUT you will hardly find them talk about this incident. The whole incident is about the aftermath of the Godhra train incident. Be fair here, if you condemn the aftermath you have the condemn the trouble makers also.

I am not saying either hindus or muslims were right and justified in what they did, but be fair, stop the victim attitude....

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What I stated above doesn't change, I am not denying that the Gujarat files may contain truths and facts. However Rana Ayub attempting to board a flight to UK to promote her book, wont do anything to the current Indian government. PM Modi is in the top 10 most powerful leaders in the world. The Arabs are dancing around him, UAE Arab government gave him the highest civilian honor, Saudi leadership view him very highly, I doubt the PM would be worrying about a Rana Ayyub, no offense.

What I find disturbing here is, this muslim victim mentality, in Gujarat they burned a full carriage of innocent ppl, BUT you will hardly find them talk about this incident. The whole incident is about the aftermath of the Godhra train incident. Be fair here, if you condemn the aftermath you have the condemn the trouble makers also.

I am not saying either hindus or muslims were right and justified in what they did, but be fair, stop the victim attitude....

LOL. The Arabs will be converting to low caste Hindus if you listen to some of the nonsense spouted by Hindutvas on here.

 

[Jadz]

What I stated above doesn't change, I am not denying that the Gujarat files may contain truths and facts. However Rana Ayub attempting to board a flight to UK to promote her book, wont do anything to the current Indian government. PM Modi is in the top 10 most powerful leaders in the world. The Arabs are dancing around him, UAE Arab government gave him the highest civilian honor, Saudi leadership view him very highly, I doubt the PM would be worrying about a Rana Ayyub, no offense.

What I find disturbing here is, this muslim victim mentality, in Gujarat they burned a full carriage of innocent ppl, BUT you will hardly find them talk about this incident. The whole incident is about the aftermath of the Godhra train incident. Be fair here, if you condemn the aftermath you have the condemn the trouble makers also.

I am not saying either hindus or muslims were right and justified in what they did, but be fair, stop the victim attitude....

Brother, I condemn all atrocities irrespective of who carried them out - but I do caution you to thoroughly investigative the tragic incident you referred to since false flag operations are not uncommon, they are designed to dehumanize and demonize an entire group and thus justify slaughtering them en masse. Even if the heinous act was perpetrated by Muslims - and no genuine Muslim would engage in mass killings, only those getting paid to spread chaos, instil hatred and create division would do so - this does not in any way, shape or form justify or rationalize the massacre of thousands of Muslims in Gujarat.

As for Arab leaders, they would endorse anyone who endorsed them - they are war criminals, slaughtering impoverished Yemenis using Western-supplied weapons, laying siege to Yemen, starving, bombing, maiming, displacing millions of men, women and children. You want me to be impressed that a man- Narendra Modi - alleged to have participated in, or at least enabled, the killings of Muslims is received like royalty from men - bin Satan/his oil-rich vassals - that are carrying out atrocities against Muslims? If you think Arabs and Muslims live in perpetual awe of British-installed, US-protected, mass-murdering fake Arab potentates you are very much mistaken.

I am a little surprised that you need the affirmation and commendation of the West to justify and rationalize your support for Narendra Modi - so what if he is in the 'top 10' ? You believe that elevates him to sainthood or semi-divine status? If the world had decent leadership this planet would not be in a mess and mankind would not be on the precipice of spontaneously combusting. The West only supports those that serve its interests - and since Modi has refused to abandon India's historic alliance with Russia to join the anti-Russia crusade he may well be at risk of being deposed. Watch out for mass strikes, intercommunal conflict and political instability - all signs indicating outside forces are fomenting division and violence to effect regime change.

Whether you believe Rana Ayyub or not she is entitled to a presumption of innocence. Unless India has gone full fascist I am sure you will agree with that basic concept.

 

[Itachi]

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Whether you believe Rana Ayyub or not she is entitled to a presumption of innocence. Unless India has gone full fascist I am sure you will agree with that basic concept.

I disagree.

When you are under investigation, you'll have to give up some freedom. It doesn't matter which religion you belong to or whether you are convicted or not.

For example, if a govt servant has to spend more than 48 hours in lock up for any allegations, then he'll be suspended from his job regardless whether he is innocent or guilty.

Innocence doesn't mean she will have the same freedom while there are two investigations going against her.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I disagree.

When you are under investigation, you'll have to give up some freedom. It doesn't matter which religion you belong to or whether you are convicted or not.

For example, if a govt servant has to spend more than 48 hours in lock up for any allegations, then he'll be suspended from his job regardless whether he is innocent or guilty.

Innocence doesn't mean she will have the same freedom while there are two investigations going against her.

This post you have interjected wasn't aimed at you. So if you are going to voice your opinion at least give the person you are addressing the full benefit of addressing the whole quote rather than cherry picking for your own political purposes.

 

[Itachi]

This post you have interjected wasn't aimed at you. So if you are going to voice your opinion at least give the person you are addressing the full benefit of addressing the whole quote rather than cherry picking for your own political purposes.

Using your own logic, you are interjecting yourself while my post was addressed to another person and NOT aimed at you.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Brother, I condemn all atrocities irrespective of who carried them out - but I do caution you to thoroughly investigative the tragic incident you referred to since false flag operations are not uncommon, they are designed to dehumanize and demonize an entire group and thus justify slaughtering them en masse. Even if the heinous act was perpetrated by Muslims - and no genuine Muslim would engage in mass killings, only those getting paid to spread chaos, instil hatred and create division would do so - this does not in any way, shape or form justify or rationalize the massacre of thousands of Muslims in Gujarat.

So you are hinting the Gujarat riots was a false flag operation by possibly the Hindus ?

The court has found Muslims to be instigators for the crime and have convicted them. Why is it that every time that a Muslim is at fault, you struggle to admit it ? calling it false flag, or what not, again 'the victim' mentality ?

Are Muslims holier than thou and cannot do any wrong >? General Zia Ul Haq, was a Pakistani who was responsible for killing 1000s of Muslim Palestinians. Your current Pakistani leadership turns its head away when 1000s of Uighurs are tortured, raped, killed by China, but Pakistanis cry foul when it comes to Kashmir and other Indian muslims ? Why do you have to be so hypocritical ?

No one justified killing of Muslims, I clearly stated in my post the aftermath was wrong, so you do not need to re-iterate it.



As for Arab leaders, they would endorse anyone who endorsed them - they are war criminals, slaughtering impoverished Yemenis using Western-supplied weapons, laying siege to Yemen, starving, bombing, maiming, displacing millions of men, women and children. You want me to be impressed that a man- Narendra Modi - alleged to have participated in, or at least enabled, the killings of Muslims is received like royalty from men - bin Satan/his oil-rich vassals - that are carrying out atrocities against Muslims? If you think Arabs and Muslims live in perpetual awe of British-installed, US-protected, mass-murdering fake Arab potentates you are very much mistaken.


You totally missed the point with the above paragraph. I was stating that a Rana Ayub presenting her book of Gujarat files will have no affect on PM Modi or the BJP. Whether she travels to planet Mars and presents her Gujarat files or not, makes no difference, the current leadership has important issues to worry about than a Rana Ayubb.

Ayub is another one with a huge 'Victim' complex, I saw on her Instagram page on how she seems to be advocating for the banning of Kashmir Files but her Gujarat Files should be told all over the world. What nonsense, India is a democracy, neither Kashmir Files nor Gujarat Files should be banned both should be shown everywhere.

Just the fact Rana Ayubb seems to be vouching for the banning of Kashmir Files tells me she is a fraud, all she wants to portray is the 'Muslim Victim' attitude and nothing else.

I am a little surprised that you need the affirmation and commendation of the West to justify and rationalize your support for Narendra Modi - so what if he is in the 'top 10' ? You believe that elevates him to sainthood or semi-divine status? If the world had decent leadership this planet would not be in a mess and mankind would not be on the precipice of spontaneously combusting.

I am not saying he is the most perfect leader in the world, he has made plenty of mistakes, I was merely reminding you as the above Paragraph that a man of the stature of PM Modi wouldn't have time to worry about Rana Ayubb travelling the world with her agenda...


The West only supports those that serve its interests - and since Modi has refused to abandon India's historic alliance with Russia to join the anti-Russia crusade he may well be at risk of being deposed. Watch out for mass strikes, intercommunal conflict and political instability - all signs indicating outside forces are fomenting division and violence to effect regime change.

This is just a Pakistani dream and nothing more. If India was a Pakistan with no money and living on bail outs, yeah I would agree but not with where the Indians are now. India is the most important ally of the Quad against China, Indians have already got the S400 and the US has not done a thing. SO thanks for the concern but Indians will be fine...


Whether you believe Rana Ayyub or not she is entitled to a presumption of innocence. Unless India has gone full fascist I am sure you will agree with that basic concept.

I absolutely believe there will be lots of truth in her book and she has every right to present books, lectures or whatever else on Gujarat or any other issue in front of the world. However SAME goes for Kashmir Files, she shouldn't be having a cry about it and being a hypocrite.

Bold...

 

[FearlessRoar]

Indian-Origin Writer Deported Over "Anti-India" Views; "All Lies," She Says

Nitasha Kaul - the Indian-origin British academic deported by the government over the weekend after landing at Bengaluru's Kempegowda International Airport - has hit back at claims she was refused entry because she is "married to a Pakistani... a pawn of China... a puppet (of the) West..."

Ms Kaul - who government sources claim was deported because of her "anti-India, pro-separatist sentiments - said was not humiliated, and declared, "I am authoritarians fear... a thinking woman".

"Re: all the lies, I am not married to a Pakistani, not a Muslim convert, not a pawn of China, not a puppet of (the) West, not a commie (Communist), not a jihadi, not a Pak sympathiser, not a terrorist supporter, not anti-India, and not part of a gang," she posted on X (formerly Twitter).

"My experience was harrowing... but the humiliation is not mine. It is that of a ridiculous, insecure regime. What I have termed 'moral wound of colonialism' in my work is very much on display."

"Selective resurrections of past macro histories are used to manipulate present sentiment," she said.

"I urge you to think beyond walls of hate against those different from you... and to read and understand what I say and think, before rushing to condemn. It is hard but it is possible."

Re all the lies, I am not married to a Pakistani, not Muslim convert, not a pawn of China, not a puppet of West, not a commie, not a jihadi, not Pak sympathiser, not terrorist supporter, not anti-India, not part of a gang.

Nitasha Kaul, a Professor of Politics, International Relations, and Critical Interdisciplinary Studies at the University of Westminster in London, also describes herself as a "Kashmiri novelist".

According to her website, her focus areas include "right-wing politics, postcolonial neoliberal nationalism, the Hindutva project in India, and the history and politics of Kashmir".

On Sunday evening Ms Kaul posted a detailed message on X, saying she had been "denied entry to India for speaking on democratic and constitutional values".

"I was invited to a conference... by Government of Karnataka (a Congress-ruled state) but the centre refused me entry. All my documents (UK passport and Overseas Citizen of India card) were valid..."

"I was given no reason by immigration except, 'We cannot do anything, orders from Delhi'."

I was given no reason by immigration except ‘we cannot do anything, orders from Delhi'. My travel & logistics had been arranged by Karnataka & I had the official letter with me. I received no notice or info in advance from Delhi that I would not be allowed to enter.

In a lengthy thread, she said spent nearly 48 hours, including 24 in a holding cell at Bengaluru airport, with "no easy access to food and water" and without a pillow or a blanket

"Officials informally made references to my criticism of RSS, a far-right Hindu nationalist paramilitary (the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh is widely seen as the ruling BJP's ideological mentor) years ago..."

She also said "rightwing Hindutva trolls have for years threatened me with death, rape, ban, etc..." and that those threats had extended to her mother, who lives in the United Kingdom.

Ms Kaul's ejection is also snowballing into a political controversy after the BJP - the main opposition party in Karnataka - accused the Congress of inviting "a Pak sympathiser who wants India's break-up".

Karnataka Minister HC Mahadevappa, whose office invited Ms Kaul to Karnataka, said he had been left "deeply concerned" by the incident and urged the centre to respect the right to "freedom of speech".

NDTV