Gureilla warfare/insurgencies templates Pakistan can use in case of an invasion by India?

[Savak]

I believe modern warfare is about gureilla warfare and insurgencies and that is the smart way to go about dealing with an invading army. Nazi Germany learnt this the hard way in Stalingrad and Russia, USA learnt this in Vietnam and then Iraq, USSR learn this in Afghanistan.

War and occupation is a serious money and blood sucking exercise, even the richest economies in the world get bankrupt. Such was the plight of the USSR in Afghanistan that they had to start borrowing money from their fellow Soviet States to fund it. The US spent trillions to fund the war in Iraq. The vast majority of Nazi Germany casualties, funds were lost in the Russian misadventure which was the biggest blunder Hitler made.

The Pakistani army and the people of Pakistan need to look at the tactics the people of Iraq used against a very superior US army, especially the use of Improvised Explosive devices where $10-20 bombs were able to destroy $million equipment.

The nation of India, its arrogant Bollywood celebrities, cricketers like Ganguly, Sehwag, Gambhir, Harbhajan might feel its a very simple exercise of a numerically superior force beating a perceived weaker army but they have no idea about what an actual war, conflict entails and I can guarantee you these people will not have the stomach for it when the body bags pile up and the money runs out. Need to teach this country a very hard lesson.

 

[Bilal_103]

If push comes to shove. Do you really think Pakistan will not go nuclear? Forget gureilla warfare half of asia will be gone.

 

[Slog]

You get too excited

 

[a_tahir]

Invasion??

 

[MRSN]

If push comes to shove. Do you really think Pakistan will not go nuclear? Forget gureilla warfare half of asia will be gone.

This.

 

[IAJ]

Pakistan already know how to fight guirella wars...

 

[CricketCartoons]

Man to man, an indian will always overpower a pakistani as they are natural athletes and ferocious fighters. Pakistanis will need to attack in packs to defeat a single indian.

 

[amax]

I have said this before in another thread and will say again that if India gets successful in gaining some ground in Pakistan , than guerrilla war in Pakistani terrain would be nightmare for india and dream come true for isi and ssg if they want to hunt indians.

 

[Mamoon]

Why do you think so many terrorists are on ISI’s payroll?

 

[Savak]

Man to man, an indian will always overpower a pakistani as they are natural athletes and ferocious fighters. Pakistanis will need to attack in packs to defeat a single indian.

Lol, what rubbish. Is this why Pakistan is always winning the military contests and competitions held abroad ahead of armies from the US, Europe and India? Indians by nature are nothing more than vegetarian Sukhi Kangri's, don't be fooled by these Bollywood and IPL physqiues

 

[rhony]

Why do you think so many terrorists are on ISI’s payroll?

LOL. People are just ignorant. Pakistan is not Afghanistan.

 

[slipcatch]

India has no interest in gaining ground, they aren't capable of.

Current government only interest is to create war hysteria so they can win re-election.

But, i agree, Pakistan will destroy Indian in gureilla warfare.

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

Why do you think so many terrorists are on ISI’s payroll?

This seems to be very logical. After seeing its result in Afghanistan ag Ussr ISI start to trained this unofficial army to use them against India but it was American's bad luck that their turn came before india.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Tick tock. Tick tock. Tick tock...

T - 1 more day until elections... and the war hysteria will go back into the cave...

I don't think any country can invade Pakistan. Even if India tried their best it would be impossible.

USA couldn't invade a small country like Vietnam. Vietnamese crippled them with friggin' bamboo traps and endured.

Pakistan is a whole different beast. Even if all our military/missiles etc. disappeared today, India still can't successfully invade Pakistan.

Source: I am a Pakistani, raised by Pakistanis and know quite a lot of them

 

[Syed1]

It may never happen, but if push comes to shove Pakistanis can take care of any invader.


At least in Karachi ALOT of people have licenced weapons in their houses and/or armed guards etc. Should visit here some time on New Year's or Chand Raat, it sounds like a war zone

 

[Madplayer]

I dont condone violence but just to put it out there, Kashmir is not a sovereign state with endless supply of arms and ammo or even a trained army. It even isnt as big as Pakistan as we all know. With such scarce resources and limitations, Kashmir has not allowed India to rule in peace. India has not been able to quell militancy in decades altogether. A guerilla war against Pakistan who has million times more resources, bigger size and Taliban as neighbours, it will be the end of India witj every next Indian begging on the streets after God knows how many years of war.

But it wont get to that because Pakistan would go nuclear at the first sight of a successful invasion by India.

Somebody mentioned half of Asia will be gone. Lol, The world will end if it happens.

 

[Savak]

Is Pakistan a much more weaponized society than India?

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

I dont condone violence but just to put it out there, Kashmir is not a sovereign state with endless supply of arms and ammo or even a trained army. It even isnt as big as Pakistan as we all know. With such scarce resources and limitations, Kashmir has not allowed India to rule in peace. India has not been able to quell militancy in decades altogether. A guerilla war against Pakistan who has million times more resources, bigger size and Taliban as neighbours, it will be the end of India witj every next Indian begging on the streets after God knows how many years of war.

But it wont get to that because Pakistan would go nuclear at the first sight of a successful invasion by India.

Somebody mentioned half of Asia will be gone. Lol, The world will end if it happens.

Amen.

With full air support and 600,000+ military personnel they can't handle a bunch of teenagers. No army can conquer a nation's mind and idea of liberty. Kashmiris are proud and they have sacrificed a lot during all these decades, there is no way they'll ever accept Indian Army's occupation.

Experts claim that the bombs dropped at Hiroshima and Nagasaki are a fraction of what today's nukes are capable of.

The horror. Millions of humans would instantly vanish and the rest would wish they were dead...

And warmongers have nerve to ask for a war

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

Is Pakistan a much more weaponized society than India?

Yes. This is one of the three gift which our society being given after soviet afghan war.

 

[Bilal7]

There won't be any invasion or guerrilla warfare. Pakistan will nuke Delhi, Bombay and a couple of other key cities. If they are able to destroy India's nuclear weapons in the process, the Pakistani population can find refuge in other Muslim-majority countries. If they fail, both India and Pakistan will become wastelands and a billion+ people will die.

 

[Major]

Why do you think so many terrorists are on ISI’s payroll?

, Pakistani people deny this though

 

[Vegitto1]

In Pakistan pretty much everyone in the middle class and upper middle class families own firearms.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why do you think so many terrorists are on ISI’s payroll?

Well now you have gone there, perhaps the thinking is that it is the ultimate deterrence barring the nuclear option?

My opinion has always been that Pakistan actually provides protection for India by acting as a buffer state to keep the jihadis reined in. If the state collapsed, then that would bring the jihadis directly onto the border, with India's enemy reverting to traditional foes like Balochistan, Kashmir and Afghanistan.

Without the badge of nationalism, it is more likely that even moderates might take up the sword of jihad instead, and who would be the on the receiving end if not India?

 

[JBFire]

It is strange that Pakistanis are confident in their army and first hint of war they bring Nuke. I don't know if they even realise how devastating nuclear war can be? There wont be Pakistan, half India and quarter of China will vanish and many more countries will heavily impacted for years to come.

Listen all Nuke boys, its not AK 47. To talk even about nuclear is a suicidal, and after one die, it doesn't matter who is your enemy, friend or relatives.

In fact, both countries should pressure your Govt to not think about Nuclear forget about using them. You can fight over accident and argue but no one kills anyone if someone has hit your car!

Hope my post is not biased for any country. Cheers!

 

[ElRaja]

Pakistan, Russia, the United Kingdom, the United States,[21] and France[22] say they will use nuclear weapons against either nuclear or non-nuclear states only in the case of invasion or other attack against their territory or against one of their allies.

of these countries the most likely to use nukes is Pakistan.

the whole raison d'etre of of the nukes is to be a detriment because the indian military is too large for Pakistan to fight on its own in a conventional war. additionally the proximity and distribution of key pakistani cities to the indian border means a heavy three or four pronged attack would see at least one or two key cities left relatively weakly defended.

the whole reason the world stands up and takes notice of pak india is because if it went nuclear it would destroy the planet. it is vitally important to have the world have a vested interest in the conflict to actively work towards de-escalation.

and paks ability to use nukes, given indians non first use treaty is imperative to that.

far fewer people have died in wars between the countries after the development of nuclear weaponry.

 

[MosheD]

India doesn't have the will nor the ability to invade and occupy Pakistan. You must really stop taking the RSS propaganda seriously.

 

[sjahmed23]

There won't be any invasion or guerrilla warfare. Pakistan will nuke Delhi, Bombay and a couple of other key cities. If they are able to destroy India's nuclear weapons in the process, the Pakistani population can find refuge in other Muslim-majority countries. If they fail, both India and Pakistan will become wastelands and a billion+ people will die.

It won't be a couple. Pakistani army knows if nuclear is the only option then it needs to be all or nothing first strike because there is no second strike in nuclear war.

 

[PennOne]

If India thinks it can win in an invasion they are sadly mistaken .it is sad for me for say this because civilian lives will be lost but what will you think will happen with the thousands of terrorists hiding and those who are not hiding but have extremist thoughts. They will go full gung ho and will consider the invasion their call for jihad and suicide bomb the Indian soldiers and civilians into complete submission. You will have a suicide bombing every day deep into India. Isis will take advantage and kill as many civilians as they can. Pakistan will also not let India take over Punjab, they will use nukes because the nation has nothing to lose and India has everything to lose. It’s not like pakistan has an economy to save, it will kill India before India kills it

 

[reversehook]

Man to man, an indian will always overpower a pakistani as they are natural athletes and ferocious fighters. Pakistanis will need to attack in packs to defeat a single indian.

thats the best joke i have read in my entire life.... ty my good man, ty for that...

 

[Taaya]

If India thinks it can win in an invasion they are sadly mistaken .it is sad for me for say this because civilian lives will be lost but what will you think will happen with the thousands of terrorists hiding and those who are not hiding but have extremist thoughts. They will go full gung ho and will consider the invasion their call for jihad and suicide bomb the Indian soldiers and civilians into complete submission. You will have a suicide bombing every day deep into India. Isis will take advantage and kill as many civilians as they can. Pakistan will also not let India take over Punjab, they will use nukes because the nation has nothing to lose and India has everything to lose. It’s not like pakistan has an economy to save, it will kill India before India kills it

Keep it together, boss. I know its an emotional time for all of us, but lets not become as extreme as the majority of Indians right now. Lets show maturity and let India embarrass themselves in front of the world. Most of the world has already seen their mentality and filth.

 

[Bilal_103]

It is strange that Pakistanis are confident in their army and first hint of war they bring Nuke. I don't know if they even realise how devastating nuclear war can be? There wont be Pakistan, half India and quarter of China will vanish and many more countries will heavily impacted for years to come.

Listen all Nuke boys, its not AK 47. To talk even about nuclear is a suicidal, and after one die, it doesn't matter who is your enemy, friend or relatives.

In fact, both countries should pressure your Govt to not think about Nuclear forget about using them. You can fight over accident and argue but no one kills anyone if someone has hit your car!

Hope my post is not biased for any country. Cheers!

Bro Indians are the ones chest thumping about how strong they are, how powerful the Indian army is and all this but it really doesn't matter how big they are cus Pakistan made the nukes for one reason and one reason alone.

 

[Mamoon]

Well now you have gone there, perhaps the thinking is that it is the ultimate deterrence barring the nuclear option?

My opinion has always been that Pakistan actually provides protection for India by acting as a buffer state to keep the jihadis reined in. If the state collapsed, then that would bring the jihadis directly onto the border, with India's enemy reverting to traditional foes like Balochistan, Kashmir and Afghanistan.

Without the badge of nationalism, it is more likely that even moderates might take up the sword of jihad instead, and who would be the on the receiving end if not India?

In my opinion, in the modern world, nuclear weapons are good for big talk only. They are considered a deterrent for full-scale wars, but conventional warfare has been replaced by proxy wars. Why engage your armed forces on a full scale when you can let some dogs do the dirty work for you? Not only is it less costly, it also helps you to protect your image because you can always deny your involvement and claim that these terrorists are not state sponsored.

The downside of these militant groups is that they are inevitably going to create problems for you as well. They are pets that cannot be tamed. They will keep blackmailing you for better terms and are not shy of selling themselves to the highest bidder. This is something that Pakistan has learned the hard way.

Pakistan has never and will never beat India in a full-scale war. It might match India on most fronts, but when it comes to the numbers game, there is no comparison. The longer and bigger the war, the harder it is for Pakistan to fight. As a result, Pakistan has no choice but to engage proxies, and they are not a problem as long as we are ready to pay a price for it.

 

[Madplayer]

In my opinion, in the modern world, nuclear weapons are good for big talk only. They are considered a deterrent for full-scale wars, but conventional warfare has been replaced by proxy wars. Why engage your armed forces on a full scale when you can let some dogs do the dirty work for you? Not only is it less costly, it also helps you to protect your image because you can always deny your involvement and claim that these terrorists are not state sponsored.

The downside of these militant groups is that they are inevitably going to create problems for you as well. They are pets that cannot be tamed. They will keep blackmailing you for better terms and are not shy of selling themselves to the highest bidder. This is something that Pakistan has learned the hard way.

Pakistan has never and will never beat India in a full-scale war. It might match India on most fronts, but when it comes to the numbers game, there is no comparison. The longer and bigger the war, the harder it is for Pakistan to fight. As a result, Pakistan has no choice but to engage proxies, and they are not a problem as long as we are ready to pay a price for it.

Can India beat Israel, France etc in a one on one war?
Numbers game is irrelevant in modern warfare.

 

[shah_1]

Why do you think so many terrorists are on ISI’s payroll?

Dude CIA does it and so does RAW. Even NDS has become part of the game

What was Khulbushan doing in Balochistan? of course hiring terrorist for BLA. Proxy wars are just NOT fought by Pakiatan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

In my opinion, in the modern world, nuclear weapons are good for big talk only. They are considered a deterrent for full-scale wars, but conventional warfare has been replaced by proxy wars. Why engage your armed forces on a full scale when you can let some dogs do the dirty work for you? Not only is it less costly, it also helps you to protect your image because you can always deny your involvement and claim that these terrorists are not state sponsored.

The downside of these militant groups is that they are inevitably going to create problems for you as well. They are pets that cannot be tamed. They will keep blackmailing you for better terms and are not shy of selling themselves to the highest bidder. This is something that Pakistan has learned the hard way.

Pakistan has never and will never beat India in a full-scale war. It might match India on most fronts, but when it comes to the numbers game, there is no comparison. The longer and bigger the war, the harder it is for Pakistan to fight. As a result, Pakistan has no choice but to engage proxies, and they are not a problem as long as we are ready to pay a price for it.

Well that is my point as well, Pakistan is not going to beat India in a conventional war, but at least a Pakistan which is relatively secure has nothing to gain by hostilities. I am sure you and many Indians have themselves pointed out that Pakistan is the nation of the two that can't afford a costly war, India is rising and shining won't you agree? They can afford a war, Pakistan can't.

But should the state collapse, or be defeated in a war with India, then who will be left? It will be the jihadis, who must delight with conflict between India and Pakistan. They don't need a state or an economy, they will run riot on India if Pakistan is left in a hopeless state. India needs to stop hyping up these militant groups for their own politics and that will make it a lot easier for Pakistan to keep the militants in line as they have been doing for the past 10 years.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Dude CIA does it and so does RAW. Even NDS has become part of the game

What was Khulbushan doing in Balochistan? of course hiring terrorist for BLA. Proxy wars are just NOT fought by Pakiatan.

This is something that everyone knows except Mamoon. Even the Indians don't argue it.

 

[MRSN]

Why do you think so many terrorists are on ISI’s payroll?

sometimes it is okay to accept you are wrong instead of repeating your point with new stories.

proxy wars has been used by every nation these days. America is still using them in Syria to please Saudis and take over Iran. India is doing in Pakistan through Afghanistan and Iran. Also you need to get out of past and look at modern Pakistan and modern Pak arm/ISI. They have done really good against terrorists and they are not playing double games they were accused of in the past. If it was the case then you will see a native Pakistani going in Kashmir and blowing up 40 Indians on regular basis, here we see native Kashmiri putting all the struggles.

 

[MRSN]

This is something that everyone knows except Mamoon. Even the Indians don't argue it.

Sometimes he acts like Reham Khan..

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

In my opinion, in the modern world, nuclear weapons are good for big talk only. They are considered a deterrent for full-scale wars, but conventional warfare has been replaced by proxy wars. Why engage your armed forces on a full scale when you can let some dogs do the dirty work for you? Not only is it less costly, it also helps you to protect your image because you can always deny your involvement and claim that these terrorists are not state sponsored.

The downside of these militant groups is that they are inevitably going to create problems for you as well. They are pets that cannot be tamed. They will keep blackmailing you for better terms and are not shy of selling themselves to the highest bidder. This is something that Pakistan has learned the hard way.

Pakistan has never and will never beat India in a full-scale war. It might match India on most fronts, but when it comes to the numbers game, there is no comparison. The longer and bigger the war, the harder it is for Pakistan to fight. As a result, Pakistan has no choice but to engage proxies, and they are not a problem as long as we are ready to pay a price for it.

Pakistan has never...

It's hilarious: that you are very sensible and use your words in a careful manner, until you have to downplay Pakistan

Just to quote this part. This is a subjective opinion. All the times India have tried to get hostile against Pakistan, they have been pwned and have not completed their objective. And I'll say again: it's a subjective opinion.

To quote Iron Mike: everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

That's exactly what's happening to them now. Subconsciously, they know and you know it as well

 

[Mamoon]

Dude CIA does it and so does RAW. Even NDS has become part of the game

What was Khulbushan doing in Balochistan? of course hiring terrorist for BLA. Proxy wars are just NOT fought by Pakiatan.

Did I say that Pakistan is the “only” country?

 

[Mamoon]

This is something that everyone knows except Mamoon. Even the Indians don't argue it.

Again, did I ever claim that Pakistan is the only country that uses proxies? Not sure why people are putting words in my mouth.

 

[Mamoon]

sometimes it is okay to accept you are wrong instead of repeating your point with new stories.

proxy wars has been used by every nation these days. America is still using them in Syria to please Saudis and take over Iran. India is doing in Pakistan through Afghanistan and Iran. Also you need to get out of past and look at modern Pakistan and modern Pak arm/ISI. They have done really good against terrorists and they are not playing double games they were accused of in the past. If it was the case then you will see a native Pakistani going in Kashmir and blowing up 40 Indians on regular basis, here we see native Kashmiri putting all the struggles.

You are the third person today to attribute something to me that I never claimed.

 

[Mamoon]

Can India beat Israel, France etc in a one on one war?
Numbers game is irrelevant in modern warfare.

Without America’s backing. Pakistan will outmuscle Israel, let alone India.

There are three countries at the moment who have the capability to completely destroy India - U.S., Russia and China.

Numbers game is not irrelevant. It is the biggest reason why Pakistan not have beaten India in a full-scale war yet.

 

[barah_admi]

India can not even control it's own borders but will invade Pakistan? Not happening.

 

[Mamoon]

It's hilarious: that you are very sensible and use your words in a careful manner, until you have to downplay Pakistan

Just to quote this part. This is a subjective opinion. All the times India have tried to get hostile against Pakistan, they have been pwned and have not completed their objective. And I'll say again: it's a subjective opinion.

To quote Iron Mike: everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

That's exactly what's happening to them now. Subconsciously, they know and you know it as well

It is not subjective. It is a historically documented fact that Pakistan have not won a single war yet. India were triumphant on all occasions except 1965, which was a stalemate.

We like to celebrate the 1965 was because we successfully defended Lahore, but that was precisely shows why Pakistan have not been able to overcome India’s enormous numbers.

Pakistan came out all guns blazing to capture Kashmir, but India had the manpower to not only defend Kashmir, but to initiate an attack on Lahore as well.

Since Pakistan did not have the numbers and resources to fight on two fronts, they had to retreat from Kashmir in order to save Lahore, which they successfully did.

 

[Savak]

More numbers mean more casualties as well. Besides a conventional army will be toast against guerella fighters hiding amongst civilians, in houses, using IED's against $ million equipment.

 

[ILcricket]

I believe modern warfare is about gureilla warfare and insurgencies and that is the smart way to go about dealing with an invading army. Nazi Germany learnt this the hard way in Stalingrad and Russia, USA learnt this in Vietnam and then Iraq, USSR learn this in Afghanistan.

War and occupation is a serious money and blood sucking exercise, even the richest economies in the world get bankrupt. Such was the plight of the USSR in Afghanistan that they had to start borrowing money from their fellow Soviet States to fund it. The US spent trillions to fund the war in Iraq. The vast majority of Nazi Germany casualties, funds were lost in the Russian misadventure which was the biggest blunder Hitler made.

The Pakistani army and the people of Pakistan need to look at the tactics the people of Iraq used against a very superior US army, especially the use of Improvised Explosive devices where $10-20 bombs were able to destroy $million equipment.

The nation of India, its arrogant Bollywood celebrities, cricketers like Ganguly, Sehwag, Gambhir, Harbhajan might feel its a very simple exercise of a numerically superior force beating a perceived weaker army but they have no idea about what an actual war, conflict entails and I can guarantee you these people will not have the stomach for it when the body bags pile up and the money runs out. Need to teach this country a very hard lesson.

You must not forget the defeats . Your new defenders are terrorists & if that makes you feel strong or adequate , so be it .

 

[Savak]

All the Arab states combined have more numbers compared to Israel but the Israel's have kicked their *** in every war. Numbers is not everything, its all about the passion, game plan and how you fight

 

[ILcricket]

All the Arab states combined have more numbers compared to Israel but the Israel's have kicked their *** in every war. Numbers is not everything, its all about the passion, game plan and how you fight

Are you for terrorists ? Soldiers without uniform ?

 

[Kroll]

Pakistan has full capability to thwart an Indian land attack; even provide a bloody riposte for good measure. Does Bharat think they are the US all of a sudden? That they will simply walk in without a fight? Pak Army is not some ragtag militia sitting about smoking paan. It is a well-oiled fighting machine.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

InshAllah a full scale war doesnt happen and India surrenders peacefully.

However if it was to happen I recall an interview with General Hamid Gul who mentioned that Indias so called silicon valley would be the first target.