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Hardik Pandya has the potential to be the best all-rounder in the world

mp812rediff said:
I would not mind India keep on winning all Wc matches and Pakistan wininig CTs in return.
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thats ver awkward exxcuse...u even mind losing bilaterals as every passionate fan does but it looks a sort of absurd excuse.not taking away any credit from indian team.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Definite glimpses of Kevin Pieterson in him.

Style is there.
He has swag.

Most exciting young batting talent going around.
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KP was all rounder? lol

But seriously, no he doesn't. The only one with genuine potential as a pace bowling all rounder is Stokes but his bowling is too inconsistent and his behaviour is unacceptable.

Pandya is not on that level yet.
 
Bowling well and around 140kph mark...good wicket with the bouncer as well valuable player
 
Pandya Bowling well in today's match , got wicket and is economical too. This is why Good All rounders are worth their weight in Gold, they can contribute in both the fields and make a big impact.
 
Pandya is a handy all rounder.

He can score at 200s/r against spinners and at around 100 s/r against pacers.

Overall he is a terrific guy to have in the team.
 
Not good enough to be bat In a top 6 and not good enough as 5th bowler.
==> Not good enough for international cricket!
 
I personally think he'll be found out sooner or later. Teams will not make the mistake to bowl spinners to him soon. Against spin, he is the most destructive hitter in the world. Not too sure about his ability against pace. He will score at around 100 SR but will that be enough at 7?
 
Only if Irfan Pathan had got the same amount of backing and confidence which Pandya is getting. Pathan was the real deal. Thanks to Greg Chappell for spoiling his career.
 
Hardik Pandya's knock reminded me of Azhar Mahmood's 1998 Durban knock

What great batting by Hardik Pandya. A great talent. He reminded me one of the greatest innings by a Pakistani batsman in Test cricket; Azhar Mahmood's 132 against South Africa in Durban 1998. What great knocks both
 
Hope his career doesn't go the way of Mahmood afterwards. After that series, Mahmood did squat for Pakistan apart from the 5 wicket hauls in Sharjah in 1999
 
well, the kid has taken 2 wickets too! So he is not doing bad at all! I think he has a future!
 
Savak said:
Hope his career doesn't go the way of Mahmood afterwards. After that series, Mahmood did squat for Pakistan apart from the 5 wicket hauls in Sharjah in 1999
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I agree. Azhar just couldn't play quality leg spin. But that knock was amazing
 
silent ischemia said:
I agree. Azhar just couldn't play quality leg spin. But that knock was amazing
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Azhar didn't do much against pace either. Lack of confidence by captains, coaches, selectors and being in/out of the team hurt him more along with the emergence of Abdul Razzaq
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Only if Irfan Pathan had got the same amount of backing and confidence which Pandya is getting. Pathan was the real deal. Thanks to Greg Chappell for spoiling his career.
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The thing which spoiled Pathan's career was a Test batting avg of 31.9 and a bowling average of 32.3. In comparison a proper AR like Ashwin averages 30.9 and 25.4, while Jadeja averages 29.4 and 23.7.

Pandya in his short test career averages 67.8 and 23.6.

Reason Pathan was dropped was that he was simply not good enough.
 
Savak said:
Azhar didn't do much against pace either. Lack of confidence by captains, coaches, selectors and being in/out of the team hurt him more along with the emergence of Abdul Razzaq
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He thrived during county cricket in England and found a second wind under a more profesional and stable set up, he shouod have been utilised better by Pak. His knock vs SA shouldn't be compared against others unless they make a case among the greatest innings of all time and his effort has been seen as such globally.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Only if Irfan Pathan had got the same amount of backing and confidence which Pandya is getting. Pathan was the real deal. Thanks to Greg Chappell for spoiling his career.
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Irfan Pathan was a bowler who could bat...Pandya is a batsman who can bowl...2 different types of cricketers.

Btw Pathan got multiple chances and made multiple comebacks and every time he was back he was worse than before...again if you follow Indian cricket you would know that.
 
Honestly speaking he has played two good innings one in CT final (lost cause) when Pakistan took it easy after dismissing top order knew that game is all set and pretty much similar here when SA Dropped intensity after cleaning up top order for nothing and he took full advantage of that.

Let's see how he performs when he is expected rather not expected in both occasions as I explained. Early days to be calling genuine All rounder.
 
Hardik Pandya revels in his ‘best performance’ in T20Is

Rohit Sharma took home the Player of the Match award for his 100* in India’s successful chase of 199 in the Twenty20 International series decider against England, but Hardik Pandya was clearly India’s all-round star of the game.

It was a match worthy of being a series decider. England first put up a solid 198/9 in their 20 overs. And India then chased it down with eight balls in hand, suggesting that even 215 or so was within their reach.

Pandya returned 4/38 in that England innings. That’s a good performance anyway, but looks even better when you take his first over away from the equation. Against a rampaging Jason Roy and Jos Buttler, Pandya gave away 4, 4, 6, 6, 1 and 1 – that’s 22 – in his first over.

He was taken off after that, and brought back only after Roy and Buttler were back in the hut. And then, it was 4/16 in three overs, the wickets those of Eoin Morgan, Alex Hales, Ben Stokes and Jonny Bairstow. Wickets that kept England to under 200.

“When I went for 22 … see this T20 format, it's a funny game. You need to back yourself and come and bowl your best balls. After getting hit for 22, I was still normal. Krunal, my elder brother, told me, ‘It’s OK, you can do it’. The game is like that. If you come and bowl in the right lengths, if you take wickets, on this kind of wicket and ground, eventually you’ll stop runs,” said Pandya after the game.

“My focus was that I just bowl different balls and keep it simple rather than just go for yorkers, because the shortest boundary was the straight. So if I missed my yorker, it would go … In shorter formats, when I bowl I think as a batsman. Generally when I bowl, batsmen are going hard in this format. So I try to think as a batsman and I try to outplay them.”

In the second half, he had to think like a batsman, because India were 151/3 in 14.5 overs when he had to walk out to join Sharma. Pandya scored 33* in 14 balls, with four fours and two sixes, to hasten the end for England.

“When I was younger I batted at three. So, for me, any situation I play according to the situation. Doesn’t matter – 13 balls, 30-odd, 25 balls 25 … depending on the situation, I play accordingly. And eventually, when you do that, you end up doing well,” said Pandya.

That made it a fine all-round performance from Pandya, the bowling figures his best in international cricket to date and the 33* his highest in T20Is.

“But I would have loved to restrict them … I gave 38,” said Pandya of the performance. “In the first over, I wanted to give less runs. But yeah, I can call it the best performance. But it doesn’t matter. In the end, if the team wins, even if I give 50 runs and don’t take a wicket, if the team wins I am more than happy. I don’t play for my own performance.

“I’m learning. I’m always learning from the game. I make sure I keep on learning from my mistakes, which is helping my game. We have a fantastic supporting staff and leaders, who are giving us immense confidence to go and express ourselves. And we are just going out and enjoying the game rather than thinking what’s going to happen.

“We are just playing our best cricket and when you do that, you end up doing well.”

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/782045
 
I knew he was gonna be a star the noment i saw him. Im somewhat disappointed he has reduced his bowling speed considerably to focus on line length and variations. Not his fault as this is what works more than raw pace alone on Indian pitches. But when we go abroad i expect him to crank uo some serious pace which he is capable.

Overall a great match winner.
 
Love this guys attitude. Has such a never say die attitude. Also quite mature in his understanding of the game.
 
Posted these points in the comparison thread as well..

44 needed of 4 overs when he came in, and he finishes the match with 8 balls to spare scoring 75% of these runs also enabling his partner to get to a 100 (did you observe how happy he was when he scored that single for the 100 ? Shows his team spirit!) . Add to it the 4 wickets and the heavy balls he can bowl with the run of the mill action offering your attack variety.

Hardik should be one of the first names to be penciled in our line up for the WC next year
 
I must admit he has a knack of proving his doubters(including me) wrong on consistent basis.

This is not the first time I've seen Pandya coming back strongly after being hit for many runs in his initial overs.He also played one of his better knock in tense situation.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
I knew he was gonna be a star the noment i saw him. Im somewhat disappointed he has reduced his bowling speed considerably to focus on line length and variations. Not his fault as this is what works more than raw pace alone on Indian pitches. But when we go abroad i expect him to crank uo some serious pace which he is capable.

Overall a great match winner.
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He was still bowling around 140k's. Ofcourse, he does go upto 145-147, maybe later in the series we would see that.
 
In the series decider T20 match against England : http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...d-t20i-india-tour-of-ireland-and-england-2018 : Pandya showed his determination , skill and value to the team.

Pandya bowled smartly, not giving England anything to drive and changing his pace often in his personal best analysis of 4 for 38, reducing a marauding England batting to 198 when they had looked good for 225. Pandya mixed up his pace and length to finish with 4-38 after his first over cost 22 runs but learned from his mistake . That was good show of grit and never say die atitude.
Chasing a difficult 198 ,he scored 33 from 14 balls when 44 needed of 4 overs when he came in and contributed to highest successful run chase by any team against England in an international T20. That was his skill to change games with bat.

If that is not good enough allrounder for many...then I wonder who is?

He still doesn't guarantee the success and consistency rate of an out-and-out bowler or a consistent batter , but contributes quite often with mini gems.
 
What is Pandya record so far in test, ODI and T-20? I haven't see him performing with any consistency to get the best all rounder tag.
 
Buffet said:
What is Pandya record so far in test, ODI and T-20? I haven't see him performing with any consistency to get the best all rounder tag.
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Well he hit some sixes.

Also bowled some bouncers. Thats all you need these days it seems.
 
One of the cleanest strikers in the world and he can bowl 140+ when he wants to. Add his superb fielding skills to the mix, and there you have a Cricketer who is potentially the best all-rounder in the world.
 
Was harsh on him two years ago because of his bowling and I maintain the same. He should work on his bowling and become a specialist fifth bowler and hit those hard lengths like he did in his last 3 overs. His late order hitting is then a bonus. Still too much of a bits and pieces player for the modern game. Ahead of a certain faheem ahead though :))
 
Always rated Pandya and I've mentioned that in the past as well. I felt his attitude might be his downfall, but it seems like he feeds off it, kind of like Kohli or Akhtar in the past.

Pandya in my eyes in the player that will decide if India will end up being the dominant side of this era or not. He provides the balance that would really complete this Indian side, especially if he can develop his bowling to the point he can hold his own as a specialist bowler. If I were an Indian fan, I would be desperate to make sure he succeeds.

Shadab is the equivalent for us with his batting.
 
I still dont rate Pandya so highly. He is good prospect. To become world's best all round is huge task. I would be happy if he come close to Kapil. But he got the swag.
 
Pandya is the epitome of a modern day all-rounder. Can easily hit sixes and be a nuisance with the ball. Stokes is thill the best, but Pandya indeed has the potential to surpass him.
 
He has the potential to be the best all rounder but he's a way to go yet.

He'll come good. India should stick with him.
 
Kroll said:
Pandya is the epitome of a modern day all-rounder. Can easily hit sixes and be a nuisance with the ball. Stokes is thill the best, but Pandya indeed has the potential to surpass him.
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Potential wise Stokes is in another league. Stokes could be the Kapil Dev of this generation if he puts his mind to it.
 
He could probably be the all rounder India was desperate for as he has the batting prowess but bowling wise could crank it 88-90mph consistently IF the work is put in place.
 
Pandya at the moment is not even close to being called the world's best all rounder. Yes he is definitely best in India with the likes of Shakjar, Rishi Dhawan etc in the cupboard. He is a good hitter of a cricket ball, he can score 15, 20 odd runs which is what India needs. However, if we compare his technique with some other good all rounders around he isnt that good.

With his current defensive technique and one dimensional bowling (He uses bouncers and slower balls cleverly but in the long run thats not enough).

to me these are the top 3:

Stokes
Shakib
Shadab

Its my opinion nobody needs to start crying his guts out. I know many would disagree as the last match Pandya played was really good for him but may be you guys will realize it after the UK tour.
 
Titan24 said:
Pandya at the moment is not even close to being called the world's best all rounder. Yes he is definitely best in India with the likes of Shakjar, Rishi Dhawan etc in the cupboard. He is a good hitter of a cricket ball, he can score 15, 20 odd runs which is what India needs. However, if we compare his technique with some other good all rounders around he isnt that good.

With his current defensive technique and one dimensional bowling (He uses bouncers and slower balls cleverly but in the long run thats not enough).

to me these are the top 3:

Stokes
Shakib
Shadab

Its my opinion nobody needs to start crying his guts out. I know many would disagree as the last match Pandya played was really good for him but may be you guys will realize it after the UK tour.
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So somehow Shadad is better than Pandya.
 
Rahul1 said:
So somehow Shadad is better than Pandya.
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Technically as a batsman Shadab is a lot better though Pandya is a better hitter but that doesnt mean Shadab cant hit sixes. Shadab is a pretty good striker as well and as a bowler obviously he is miles ahead of Pandya at the moment.
 
As my previous posts and lack of Indian posters responses suggest that India has never produced a decent limited overs all rounder.

This is one of the reasons Pandya is being hyped so much as this is first time India has seen an all rounder of their own. :sm
 
Titan24 said:
As my previous posts and lack of Indian posters responses suggest that India has never produced a decent limited overs all rounder.

This is one of the reasons Pandya is being hyped so much as this is first time India has seen an all rounder of their own. :sm
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Kapil is arguably the greatest ODI all-rounder of all time.
 
Titan24 said:
As my previous posts and lack of Indian posters responses suggest that India has never produced a decent limited overs all rounder.

This is one of the reasons Pandya is being hyped so much as this is first time India has seen an all rounder of their own. :sm
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A Indian All Rounder was ranked number 1 for 10 years in ODIs.
 
In SA:
6 matches: Batting average=8.66, Bowling average=54

In England:
3 matches: Batting average=21, Bowling average=117

Second best all-rounder after Stokes!
 
The_Odd_One said:
He has already played 40 ODIs and averages 29.50 with bat and 39.37 with ball. I can't recall anyone in this century getting such a long rope in the Indian cricket setup.
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He is the darling of IPL fans. He isn't going anywhere. It doesn't matter whether he performs in 1 out of 6 matches he will keep getting selected.
 
A batting all rounder who's lower gear is fast bowling will always be exposed. Kallis is probably the only counter example.

A bowling all rounder who's inferior skill is his batting has more chances to score 20-30 odd runs than a batting all rounder has a chance of regularly taking a 2fer/3fer. That's just the nature of the game, even more so nowadays.

Pandya is a batting all rounder, and he comes from India, which has riches in the batting dpt : can his batting really shield his bowling deficiencies ?

He'll remain good in T20s, where his bowling will always get him wickets because of the format (slogging), but not in ODIs IMOs, where he's just not penetrative enough with his bowling.
 
The main problem is his bowling.

He has the potential with his batting as he can score quickly once set but his bowling is all over the place, especially his love for testing the middle of the wicket. He needs to pitch it up and be more consistent with his line.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
He is the darling of IPL fans. He isn't going anywhere. It doesn't matter whether he performs in 1 out of 6 matches he will keep getting selected.
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I think it's partly because who he's performed against. Averages over 50 against Australia and England. Averages 96 against Pakistan and performed in the CT final.

Just isn't consistent enough though, and signs are worrying, I do think sooner or later he'll be kicked out. He does have an ability to hit and from ball one though. I think he's the kind of player who doesn't hurt in a strong batting line up, but becomes more of a liability in a weak one. And while India has a strong batting line up, it's middle order is significantly weaker than it's top order, hence Pandya becomes increasingly exposed.

The role of designated hitters are overrated really. The best way is to fill your line up with good batsmen who can get you big innings, and have the ability to accelerate once in. Even if you have a great batsman sitting at 7, so be it. Was why in 2011 India's batting was so frightening despite a weaker top 3 than currently. There was always batting in reserve so the batsmen at the crease never felt threatened about a collapse, gave them freedom to play how they wanted.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
He is the darling of IPL fans. He isn't going anywhere. It doesn't matter whether he performs in 1 out of 6 matches he will keep getting selected.
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:)) that's exactly what [MENTION=139975]The_Odd_One[/MENTION] said, you don't have to justify lol, the question we're asking is why.
 
The_Odd_One said:
He has already played 40 ODIs and averages 29.50 with bat and 39.37 with ball. I can't recall anyone in this century getting such a long rope in the Indian cricket setup.
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Bhuvan averages 38.85 :azhar2 and he supposedly India's world class bowler

he is good in tests though... if the ball swings
 
Slim said:
Pandaya ( so far), Yousuf Pathan, Bilawal Bhatti, Anwar Ali are from the same category of all rounders.
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Yes, Anwar and Bhatti have scored 70 in 40 balls in a Champions Trophy final, scored Test hundreds against Sri Lanka on debut, scored 80 in 50 balls against Australia, rescuing the team from 50-5.

They followed that up with an unbeaten 70 against Australia in a run chase, and scored a counter-attacking 90 odd against South Africa in South Africa, against the best attack in the world on a terrible batting pitch, with their team in deep trouble.

Indeed, the comparisons with Anwar and Bhatti are very worthy.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes, Anwar and Bhatti have scored 70 in 40 balls in a Champions Trophy final, scored Test hundreds against Sri Lanka on debut, scored 80 in 50 balls against Australia, rescuing the team from 50-5.

They followed that up with an unbeaten 70 against Australia in a run chase, and scored a counter-attacking 90 odd against South Africa in South Africa, against the best attack in the world on a terrible batting pitch, with their team in deep trouble.

Indeed, the comparisons with Anwar and Bhatti are very worthy.
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Taking a page out of your book. It was an Australian B team/bowling attack without Starc and Hazlewood. The CT final knock was mediocre as he only scored runs against a rookie Shadab and part-timer Fakhar when the game was already lost. In your own words, SL is a pathetic test team, so a century against them is not a big deal. SA innings was good though.
 
A chance for him to help his team win the match today.Also it will help improve his fourth innings average.
 
Would prove his potential if he does well today.

Though I hear Pandaya is better than Pandya
 
He has the opportunity to be a hero for a long time today if he sticks around with VK
 
This innings might be his career defining moment. He knows jadeja/kuldeep are behind his back
 
Pathetic coward, should never be selected to play for india ever again.
 
Disgusting performance with the tail. People will say he stood till the end but the singles strategy was ALL HIM!
 
His batting is good in Test cricket, but his bowling needs a lot of improvement. He has 7 wickets in 8-9 Test matches if im not mistaking.
 
Ranji Trophy: Hardik Pandya claims five-wicket haul on return from injury

A notable absentee from the India tour of Australia, all-rounder Hardik Pandya has claimed a five-wicket haul on his return to the field for Baroda during the ongoing Ranji Trophy match against Mumbai.

The 25-year-old, who sustained an acute lower back injury during the Asia Cup fixture against Pakistan in September, ended the first day of the first-class match with 3/74 and followed it up with two more wickets on day two on Saturday.

Pandya with the help of new ball dismissed the Mumbai openers Aditya Tare (15) and Vilas Auti (12) in quick succession, while dismissed Shivam Dube for 37 runs in the 85th over on the first day. As Mumbai resumed their batting on Saturday, the pacer sent back Akash Parkar (22) and Royston Dias for a duck, to end with figures of 5/81 in the innings.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...from-injury/story-dm3HsLHeAS06wyKdmTZFbM.html
 
Post Koffee Pandya (PKP) is angry and focusses.

Good for India.
 
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