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"Hardik Pandya, it seems as if he’s the golden boy in this team" : Michael Holding

Didnt Mamoon call him God gifted talent. Aise talent se to Allah hi bachaye
 
Sherlock said:
The sheer vitriol on social media from Indian fans in-regards to Pandya is pretty shocking, tbh. They genuinely hate his "celebrity" attitude and demeanour.
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I am damn sure all these fake fans of Pandya are the ones who are criticising him now. First they overhyped him and now when he is not performing according to their expectations they are criticising him. :inti
 
Pandeya actually has a decent series, considering that his team is trailing 3-1, and he was arguably closest contender for MoM in that only win. He is actually 4th highest scorer for IND in this series. Batting stats of 164@23.42/57 with one 50 & bowling stats of 10@24.70/39 with one 5for in 4 Tests are excellent returns. If he can take 2/3 wickets & score 50+ runs at Oval, he might end as IND's 2nd best player of the series.
 
Its not that he is a complete dud but he is no Kapil Dev as well. He's not a finished product yet, the talent is there to make a mark at the highest level however he really needs to work hard on his bowling and defense. he is a gun fielder no doubt.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I am damn sure all these fake fans of Pandya are the ones who are criticising him now. First they overhyped him and now when he is not performing according to their expectations they are criticising him. :inti
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Yeah, you're probably right. Shame either way though.
 
He’s had a decent series, but yes he is yet to surpass Faheem Ashraf. Or something
 
ManFan said:
Faheem is not a cricketer.
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Faheem is a very good cricketer. I have high hopes of him in the coming season and hope he gets played in enough test matches so that he is part of the test line up when we get to South Africa
 
PakPassion.net: What are your thoughts on Hardik Pandya?

Michael Holding: Put it this way, he had a good performance in the third Test match but as the saying goes, one sparrow doesn't make a summer. But, he is young, that gives him every opportunity to learn and to develop. When I saw him in South Africa and people were telling me he is the next Kapil Dev, I told them give me a break. He's nowhere near the next Kapil Dev. But give him a chance as a young man to develop and let's see what happens. In the entire first Test match against England he bowled only 10 overs. In the second Test match he bowled only 17 overs in the whole match. Now if the captain or the hierarchy thought he was an outstanding all-rounder then he would have bowled more overs than 10 and 17 respectively. But they have faith in his skill and ability that he will grow in the job. Then what you would hope is that people given opportunities will grow into a job just like England's Ollie Pope who hasn't done much so far for England but people who have seen him in domestic cricket think they have the skill and the ability and the character to do well in Test cricket, so one would hope that he too will get the opportunity to grow into the job. So we will see how these youngsters develop, but people calling Pope the next David Gower or Graham Gooch would be ridiculous. Give them time to grow into the job and develop.
 
the_outsider said:
I still have high hopes from Rahul.

Dhawan is done as far as tests are concerned I think.

Pandya is simply not a test match player yet. He performs a role in the LOI side but is nothing but a wasted slot in the test XI.

But it's highly unfair to club Pujara and Rahane with the others.

Pujara and Rahane have outscored all but 2 English batsmen - Curran and Butler. They haven't set the stage on fire but they have put in respectable performances - especially Pujara.
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Pujara won’t succeed outside of SC. He was pretty much garbage in county stint as well. Rahane is pretty much rubbish everywhere.
 
Rahane is such a soft cricketer and a meek character as well.
 
Chrish said:
Pujara won’t succeed outside of SC. He was pretty much garbage in county stint as well.
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Pujara's average for Derbyshire in his first county season in 2014 was 54.75
In 2015 for Yorkshire he averaged 52.8.
If I'm not wrong he averaged around 40 for Nottinghamshire.
It was only in the 2018 season with Yorkshire where Pujara struggled. He still scored a century in the One Day Cup, btw.


Chrish said:
Rahane is pretty much rubbish everywhere.
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Rahane's country-wise test average:

India - 32.9
Australia - 63.5
South Africa - 53.2
New Zealand - 54
England - 30.5
Sri Lanka - 45.2
West Indies - 121.5
Bangladesh - 98
 
Pandya is a luxury player. He will only have an impact when his team is already dominating. 9 out of 10 times, he will fail when the team is in trouble.
 
the_outsider said:
Pujara's average for Derbyshire in his first county season in 2014 was 54.75
In 2015 for Yorkshire he averaged 52.8.
If I'm not wrong he averaged around 40 for Nottinghamshire.
It was only in the 2018 season with Yorkshire where Pujara struggled. He still scored a century in the One Day Cup, btw.




Rahane's country-wise test average:

India - 32.9
Australia - 63.5
South Africa - 53.2
New Zealand - 54
England - 30.5
Sri Lanka - 45.2
West Indies - 121.5
Bangladesh - 98
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Rahane is far too inconsistent to be relied upon in any series.

Pujara has been torrid outside of SC. He doesn’t have enough strokes to cope with bounce that is more prevalent overseas.
 
Removed from the picture for the 5th Test - maybe time for him to reflect and come back stronger.
 
Started to believe his own hype i am afraid, acting like a superstar already, this drop will take him down a notch or two.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Preference isnt the issue. He said Lara was technically better than Tendulkar. While most experts have said that Tendulkar had a copybook technique while Lara's was flawed due to exaggerated trigger movement and very high backlift. Here comes Holding and says the opposite in 2011.

Then he comes and says that Sehwag is a mediocre batsman.

Next is Kohli isnt a great because he hasnt scored runs in Eng. Well Viv Richards who according to Holding is the best batsman, didnot score runs in NZ.

Hypocrisy and hatred of Holding will be called out. He isnt the only expert out there.
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Guess what he compared Kohli with his fav batsman Viv Richards and proved you wrong. You can read more about his views in an interview he did with PakPassion.

There are so many posts in this thread from you that tells clearly you hate Holding more than he hates India. Some examples

He thought Lara was better than Sachin so that means he hates everything about India.
Read your own posts in this thread and see who is the real hypocrite here. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Guess what he compared Kohli with his fav batsman Viv Richards and proved you wrong. You can read more about his views in an interview he did with PakPassion.

There are so many posts in this thread from you that tells clearly you hate Holding more than he hates India. Some examples

He thought Lara was better than Sachin so that means he hates everything about India.
Read your own posts in this thread and see who is the real hypocrite here. :inti
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Lol. Some months back he said he didnot think Kohli was a great batsman.


https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ael-holding/story-HHRTqYfbezbxgeHyjyadCL.html

Now ofcourse Kohli has made him eat his words.

He said Lara had a better technique than Tendulkar. Almost every expert out there have said that SRT's.

He called Sehwag a mediocre player.
 
Indeed he is golden boy of indian team and for some in pp.Today played ahead of dhoni and scored 62 ball 32 building unnecessary pressure on lower order .His overall worldcup compagain was also average with few good bowling performances

His power hitting is massively overrated
 
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Finished the world cup with batting average of 32 and bowling average of 44.

He had some good bowling performances but as a batsman he was a let down.
 
saeed5646 said:
Indeed he is golden boy of indian team and for some in pp.Today played ahead of dhoni and scored 62 ball 32 building unnecessary pressure on lower order .His overall worldcup compagain was also average with few good bowling performances

His power hitting is massively overrated
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Are you surprised? At least I am not. You want to know who is the real allrounder? Its Shakib Al Hasan. Pandya is a part time bowler and an inconsistent batsman who needs top order batsman to put some food in a plate so that he can sprinkle some garam masala over it. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Are you surprised? At least I am not. You want to know who is the real allrounder? Its Shakib Al Hasan. Pandya is a part time bowler and an inconsistent batsman who needs top order batsman to put some food in a plate so that he can sprinkle some garam masala over it. :inti
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Your assessment are mostly right bro.i don.t mind pandya but the hype around him is massive .Worldcup have proved he is no way near elite allrounder like stokes,shakib and holder .He is lucky to playing for a side who are winning most of the time otherwise he would have been exposed long time ago .
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Are you surprised? At least I am not. You want to know who is the real allrounder? Its Shakib Al Hasan. Pandya is a part time bowler and an inconsistent batsman who needs top order batsman to put some food in a plate so that he can sprinkle some garam masala over it. :inti
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Garam Masala was the last Indian movie I truly enjoyed way back. Rajpal Yadav was a class act.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Are you surprised? At least I am not. You want to know who is the real allrounder? Its Shakib Al Hasan. Pandya is a part time bowler and an inconsistent batsman who needs top order batsman to put some food in a plate so that he can sprinkle some garam masala over it. :inti
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Jadeja is a better all rounder and should bat at 4
 
Hard to blame Pandya for this debacle. He completed his 10 overs for 55 runs, and scored 32. The failures of the earlier batsmen put him under pressure which led to his dismissal. Can't say he failed with either bat or ball in this game. And he was carrying an injury.
 
Dhoni should have been sent before him. It’s not Pandya’s game to bat long and defensively.
 
WC figures:

Bowling: Avg: 44.7 Econ: 5.65

Batting: Avg: 32.3 S/R 112

Just his batting is good enough to get him in the team. His bowling with an econ rate of 5.65 in tournament where 300+ scores were common is a plus. Quite indispensable for the Indian team. Shakib and Stokes did better but he is still India's best AR and will contribute to many Indian wins in the future.

India's best win in the tournament was against the Aussies, when Pandya scored 48 from 27 and Kohli noted his contribution as being important.
 
I thought he looked ok, but then when Dhoni came in I don't know what Dhoni said to him he went into his shell and went very defensive.
 
Lol I’ve said time and time again IPL is a big hoax and pandya will fail against the big boys [MENTION=140806]jnaveen1980[/MENTION] remember I told you at the start of the tournament he won’t perform he sort of did but against Bangladesh and maybe you could say Australia other than a massive fail
 
Napa said:
WC figures:

Bowling: Avg: 44.7 Econ: 5.65

Batting: Avg: 32.3 S/R 112

Just his batting is good enough to get him in the team. His bowling with an econ rate of 5.65 in tournament where 300+ scores were common is a plus. Quite indispensable for the Indian team. Shakib and Stokes did better but he is still India's best AR and will contribute to many Indian wins in the future.

India's best win in the tournament was against the Aussies, when Pandya scored 48 from 27 and Kohli noted his contribution as being important.
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That average is not the correct one because they don’t add the not outs to the average as well
 
[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] You were right, even Jadeja did well,India should look for a spinner alrounder if pacers are not available.
 
Mean&Green said:
That average is not the correct one because they don’t add the not outs to the average as well
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Statistically it is correct not to add not outs in the denominator when calculating averages.

Just think of every ball faced as an individual event rather than every innings.
 
DRsohail said:
[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] You were right, even Jadeja did well,India should look for a spinner alrounder if pacers are not available.
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Pandya and Jadeja should be the two ARs in the team.

Shankar had no place in the team. Neither DK or Jadhav. They wasted 3 years on this crap.
 
Pandya fared well in this tournament. He was wrongly sent at that situation of the game. His game is to attack, not to tuk-tuk and build his game.

He is like Shahid Afridi of batting but can stay on crease longer than Afridi. However, the responsibility was there for Dhoni to take.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Pandya and Jadeja should be the two ARs in the team.

Shankar had no place in the team. Neither DK or Jadhav. They wasted 3 years on this crap.
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pandeya batting has to improve,never seen him batting with authority ,,,,,looks like getting out on next delivery and he has weird stance.
 
Mean&Green said:
Lol I’ve said time and time again IPL is a big hoax and pandya will fail against the big boys [MENTION=140806]jnaveen1980[/MENTION] remember I told you at the start of the tournament he won’t perform he sort of did but against Bangladesh and maybe you could say Australia other than a massive fail
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A bowling economy rate of 5.65 over the entire tournament is not a "massive fail", nor is a batting avg of 32 @ SR 112.

Against Pakistan 26 off 19 balls, and econ rate of 5.50. I will take it :)
 
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Napa said:
A bowling economy rate of 5.65 over the entire tournament is not a "massive fail", nor is a batting avg of 32 @ SR 112.

Against Pakistan 26 off 19 balls, and econ rate of 5.50. I will take it :)
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How many crucial knocks he had? I think one.
 
Napa said:
A bowling economy rate of 5.65 over the entire tournament is not a "massive fail", nor is a batting avg of 32 @ SR 112.

Against Pakistan 26 off 19 balls, and econ rate of 5.50. I will take it :)
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Kindly look at the stats of Shakib Al Hasan who was downplayed by Pandya fans over the past few months. :inti
 
Are players picked for the Indian side on how many posters they can appear on?
 
DRsohail said:
How many crucial knocks he had? I think one.
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Can't really have many "crucial" knocks when Rohit and Kohli (and Dhawan before) were on a roll. The knocks of 48 off 27 against Aus, 26 off 19 against Pakistan and 45 off 33 against India were not "crucial", but certainly helped India.

Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Kindly look at the stats of Shakib Al Hasan who was downplayed by Pandya fans over the past few months. :inti
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I think Pandya is very good for the Indian team, but have never downplayed Shakib, so you will have to look elsewhere.
 
He's a mehh cricketer. Will never be a dominant batsmen or bowler, but probably does just enough with both to stay in the team. Decent flexible cricketer to have.

He's become essentially what Pakistan were hoping Faheem would become
 
Good hitter, very good hitter, good fielder and decent with bat. Don’t know why people are blaming him for today’s performance.
But, Jadeja somehow played a magnificent innings today, his best of the career.
 
Napa said:
Can't really have many "crucial" knocks when Rohit and Kohli (and Dhawan before) were on a roll. The knocks of 48 off 27 against Aus, 26 off 19 against Pakistan and 45 off 33 against India were not "crucial", but certainly helped India.



I think Pandya is very good for the Indian team, but have never downplayed Shakib, so you will have to look elsewhere.
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I said 'fans' not 'fan'. I am sure you are not the only Pandya fan here? :inti
 
he earns his place in the team but he is massively over-hyped after that champions trophy final. Moving forward, India's lower order should look like

6. Pant
7. Jadeja
8. Pandya

ofcourse Pandya can be floated up the order when the slog is on but he should never be considered as a top order player. I was so surprised to see him bat at 6, never expected him to last 62 balls.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Ghante ka power hitter. :yk
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An average of 31 for the tournament at a strike rate of 112 qualifies as a power hitter.

His strike rate of 112 is down due to the last game where India's top order failed and he had to bat cautiously.
 
He is a no. 7 bat, a hitter, massively useful when coming to bat around 35 overs. You don't send him that early. He tried to built the inning but he is not expected to be a world class specialist batsmen to play such innings.
 
I know many fans are here to support Pandya but India need someone like Yuvi with the ball and bat, He did it for india in 2011 and India is still missing him, proper player who can hit it cleanly, at 6or 7 and you can win many matches, Pandya is decent but for a gun team like India they need better players.
 
Mamoon said:
Holding deserves this humiliation.
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And you deserve this one? Your player is a failure. A total failure! He has nothing on his side to become a world class all rounder.
Mamoon said:
Considering the fact that Stokes is already an established world class all-rounder, Pandya is undoubtedly the best young all-rounder in the world.

However, Mitch Marsh can challenge him. He has a lot of potential as well.

Holding spouting rubbish as usual. Throw him a bone (IPL contract) and watch the Whispering Death crawl his way to India.
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Keep mentioning him with Stokes when he is not half as good as Stokes and never will be.
 
lost by mere 18 runs in chasing and suddenly every thing is wrong ???..... No Pandya was ok . He was wrongly promoted in the batting order
 
satheesh said:
lost by mere 18 runs in chasing and suddenly every thing is wrong ???..... No Pandya was ok . He was wrongly promoted in the batting order
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What is ok in Pandya's game? His bowling is the worst from every bowler who has to ball a 10 overs quota in the whole world.
His batting is nothing special, at least nothing to keep him in the team as a batsman.
 
IAJ said:
Good hitter, very good hitter, good fielder and decent with bat. Don’t know why people are blaming him for today’s performance.
But, Jadeja somehow played a magnificent innings today, his best of the career.
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Agreed, he is a decent allrounder who earns his place in ODI's. People just like to criticize for the sake of critiquing. He was not the culprit today, there are a lot of other players who should take the blame for today's debacle before him.

He is a must for T20 and ODI but an overkill in India's test team.
 
Mobashir said:
What is ok in Pandya's game? <b>His bowling is the worst from every bowler who has to ball a 10 overs quota in the whole world.</b>
His batting is nothing special, at least nothing to keep him in the team as a batsman.
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There are countless bowlers in the WC who have to bowl 10 overs quota and have economy worse than 5.65 an over.
 
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Napa said:
There are countless bowlers in the WC who have to bowl a 10 quota over and have economy worse than 5.65 an over.
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And what?

Name me a bowler who has to bowl his 10 over quota who you believe is worse than Pandya.
That's actually simple to do. No?
 
Mobashir said:
And what?

Name me a bowler who has to bowl his 10 over quota who you believe is worse than Pandya.
That's actually simple to do. No?
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Not a hard thing to do. Here are the WC econ rates (greater than Pandya's 5.65) for some bowlers chosen by their teams with the intention of bowling a full quota of 10 overs.

Hasan Ali: 7.65
Wahab Riaz: 6.00
Rubel Hossain: 7.70
Mashrafe Mortaza: 6.44

How many more do you want?
 
He isn't completely mediocre but he isn't really world class as hyped either. His bowling i feel is better and more reliable than his batting.
 
He is a gun player. His bowling has improved a lot. I recon if he was at the end with Jadeja instead of Dhoni, India would have pulled it off.

I am not laughing at Razzaq’s suggestion. Maybe he could teach him how to clear the ball when it’s in the good length/Yorker area.
 
Mobashir said:
What is ok in Pandya's game? His bowling is the worst from every bowler who has to ball a 10 overs quota in the whole world.
His batting is nothing special, at least nothing to keep him in the team as a batsman.
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Pandya jee has swag. That is what fans like in him. Performance comes second. Look at how some of his fans are defending his average of 31 with the bat. :inti
 
Napa said:
There are countless bowlers in the WC who have to bowl 10 overs quota and have economy worse than 5.65 an over.
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Those countless bowlers were not hyped as much as Pandya was. He is a bits and pieces cricketer just like Anwar Ali. These guys can win you games sometimes but that doesn't mean we should overhype them to moon. :inti
 
Napa said:
Not a hard thing to do. Here are the WC econ rates (greater than Pandya's 5.65) for some bowlers chosen by their teams with the intention of bowling a full quota of 10 overs.

Hasan Ali: 7.65
Wahab Riaz: 6.00
Rubel Hossain: 7.70
Mashrafe Mortaza: 6.44

How many more do you want?
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Ha the loss has taken to your head so much that you can't even awnser an easy question.

I am not talking about the world cup only.
Name me bowlers that have to bowl their 10 over quota and pandya is better than them.

So bad he is that you are not finding any? OK at least same level bowlers if that can help!
 
I believe this was his best in a tournament.

Dont expect too much from him, this was his best. Yes he may produce those one off great knocks but overall in a tournament this is the best he has played to his ability.

And please dont compare him with Shakib or Stokes who are elite allrounders.
 
He is an allrounder don't compare with an out of form batsman and an out off form bowler......both of them will come back....Fakhar in fact has laid the platform for big totals against England and SouthAfrica and played a decent knock against India...... Too.....

Pandya has improved a lot as a bowler and as hardhitter but not at as a allrounder..... His bowling will be murdered on a given day by the likes of Roy Finch Babar Warner.....

His competition is with Stokes Shakib Stoinis Neesam CDG and Woakes
 
saeed5646 said:
Indeed he is golden boy of indian team and for some in pp.Today played ahead of dhoni and scored 62 ball 32 building unnecessary pressure on lower order .His overall worldcup compagain was also average with few good bowling performances

His power hitting is massively overrated
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His strike rate doesn't matter yesterday.. He and Pant thrown their wicket away and that was the main reason India lost..
 
Hardik Pandya aka toothpaste aggression yesterday was his chance to stamp as a genuine allrounder heck even Abdur Razzaq Scott Styris were better than him
 
Kianig89 said:
Hardik Pandya aka toothpaste aggression yesterday was his chance to stamp as a genuine allrounder heck even Abdur Razzaq Scott Styris were better than him
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Abdu Razak was one of the ATG ODI all rounder ... he can and he has won games single handidly with ball and bat many many times... as a bowler, he could ball just abt 90mph swing the ball both ways and had SRT's number on speed dial lol.. as a batsmen he could bat under pressure and then go bonkers as anything... he is easily the best finisher/hitter of his time.... easily ...

so to say " genuine allrounder heck even Abdur Razzaq Scott Styris were better than him" just so so wrong
 
Rellu_Katta said:
Abdu Razak was one of the ATG ODI all rounder ... he can and he has won games single handidly with ball and bat many many times... as a bowler, he could ball just abt 90mph swing the ball both ways and had SRT's number on speed dial lol.. as a batsmen he could bat under pressure and then go bonkers as anything... he is easily the best finisher/hitter of his time.... easily ...

so to say " genuine allrounder heck even Abdur Razzaq Scott Styris were better than him" just so so wrong
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Yes Razzaq set world on fire was just good all rounder.
 
Got the tactics wrong I think.

India should have let him go for his shots and put pressure on New Zealand.

Instead he went into his shell and he's not a good enough batsman to work the ball around.
 
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