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"Hardik Pandya, it seems as if he’s the golden boy in this team" : Michael Holding

Kohli said:
Now Gambhir.

Gambhir: India needs to decide whether Pandya’s a bowling or batting all-rounder. Test cricket is played with genuine all-rounders and not bits and pieces cricketers

Holding, Gavaskar, Nasser, Harbhajan and now Gambhir. But, all are bitter persons.
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They all are jealous of golden boy's gold chain, diamond earrings and hairstyles. :inti
 
Darkrai said:
So all those greats with all their experience don't know what they are talking about but you do?

What good is Pandya's potential doing to India in this series? They don't need potential they need performance.

In a tour like Eng, where India has a terrible record, they need players who will perform in this tour- not players who look good and could potentially become good players in the future.

FC and maybe some home series are for players who have potential not a difficult away series.
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You are right. Having potential and converting that potential to performance are two different things. We can't risk the balance of a team by playing a bits and pieces cricketer. His fans are also comparing his performances with specialist batsman in the team. If they are performing poorly they will be dropped. They are not playing as all rounders.
 
The sustained attack from the pundits on Pandya has been misguided really. They have been relatively silent and less firm on their assessment with the likes of Rahane, Karthik, Vijay, Pujara, Rahul and Dhawan who have all performed even worse than Hardik. I imagine this stems from unrealistic expectations that has been set by others on social media and other pundits.

I think Ganguly is right here when he says Pandya isn't to blame for the defeats and is being unfairly singled out.
 
topspin said:
The sustained attack from the pundits on Pandya has been misguided really. They have been relatively silent and less firm on their assessment with the likes of Rahane, Karthik, Vijay, Pujara, Rahul and Dhawan who have all performed even worse than Hardik. I imagine this stems from unrealistic expectations that has been set by others on social media and other pundits.

I think Ganguly is right here when he says Pandya isn't to blame for the defeats and is being unfairly singled out.
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This is where you are so wrong. Comparing Pandya with other team members. He has scored just 90 runs in 4 innings and taken 3 wickets. They all will be dealt with and replaced with other players if they keep performing poorly. Doesn't mean Pandya who is another weak link in this team will get away just because he is andhon mein kaana raja.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
This is where you are so wrong. Comparing Pandya with other team members. He has scored just 90 runs in 4 innings and taken 3 wickets. They all will be dealt with and replaced with other players if they keep performing poorly. Doesn't mean Pandya who is another weak link in this team will get away just because he is andhon mein kaana raja.
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My point was it isn't right for him to be singled out - the other 6 players I mentioned have been atrocious with the bat to say the least.

Not blaming Kohli by any means because he was exceptional in the opening test but had stayed with Pandya after reaching 51, they would have seen it home for their side. Pandya got out after batting with the frail tail.
 
India's desperation for an all-rounder is why Hardik is being treated this way.

He has potential. He isn't a complete product yet. Will he be Stokes or will he be a hack like Afridi, only time will tell. As of now, India don't have many compelling options to keep Hardik on his toes and his away average his second to Kohli since SA tour. Which isnt by any means to suggest he's done enough, but it's just that he's shown more grit than many of our top batsmen. He deserves a bit of a rope.

I'd rather India play him than play 4 bowlers. That's a step back.
 
Holding on commentary today:

"Hardik Pandya is not there yet. He has every opportunity of becoming a good all rounder but he's not what they are hoping for yet. I do not see him as a number 6 batsman and all rounder yet but he can build."
 
Gives it away at the death, he had edged 3 before that and been dropped once. Pant looked far more comfortable and it's his debut
 
I have never wanted to be Kapil Dev: Hardik Pandya

India allrounder Hardik Pandya on Sunday silenced his critics who had questioned his place in the Test team. With a maiden five-wicket haul in Test cricket, Pandya was the wrecker-in-chief as England collapsed in dramatic fashion to fold for 161 inside one session on Day 2 of the third Test at Trent Bridge.

Michael Holding had raised doubts over his efficacy as an allrounder. India offspinner Harbhajan Singh was also harsh in his assessment, stating that Pandya needed to be disassociated with as an allrounder.

There was some firm ground for the criticism. Before the ongoing Trent Bridge Test, Pandya went wicketless in four matches and averaged 39 with the ball, 32 with the bat.

Combined with defeats in the opening two Tests against England in the ongoing five-match series, there was enough ammunition against the 24-year-old. Holding even made the comparison with legendary allrounder Kapil Dev, saying the youngster isn’t anywhere near India’s World Cup winning captain.

After his 5/28 in six overs on Sunday, it was Pandya’s turn to respond. “I have never wanted to be Kapil Dev,” he told reporters on Sunday. “Let me be Hardik Pandya, I am good at being Hardik Pandya, I played 41 ODIs and 10 Tests being Hardik Pandya, not Kapil Dev.”

He has asked to stop comparing him with others and dismissed any notion of being under pressure. “They (the players of Holding’s generation) have created their era, let me be Hardik Pandya, let’s stop comparing me with anyone. My team is happy with me. Nothing else matters,” he said.

The sharp response has come after Holding suggested India to find Pandya’s replacement following his failures. “I heard a mention, when I was working in South Africa: ‘he is the next Kapil Dev’. I ain’t going to tell anybody he’s not going to be the next Kapil Dev, but he is nowhere near there yet. And they (India) need to find someone who can contribute a lot more to this team right now,” he had said.

http://www.cricketcountry.com/news/i-have-never-wanted-to-be-kapil-dev-hardik-pandya-737320
 
Napa said:
The wounds of 1983 WC run deep :)
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If I had to take an educated guess, it is because of a likely denial of an IPL commentary contract in the league's earlier years.

I might be wrong and have no proof, but he has only proceeded to shoot himself in the foot in the years since, and now he is not in any contention whatsoever unlike his counterparts in the Sky Box (incl. David Lloyd).

Seriously - nobody can be that aggressive just because of T20 cricket, especially if he himself has bitten the forbidden apple with his dealings with Allen Stanford and the CPL, and with rebel cricket in decades past.

As it stands, the IPL has nothing to lose by not having Mr.Whispering Death on its rolls. He is only increasingly irrelevant with each passing year, and grainy YouTube footage from the last century is his only claim to fame now.
 
Hardik Pandya views apart, I like Holding's commentary.
He isn't scared to voice his opinion and also his knowledge of the game is unquestionable.
 
Soooo sensitive!

Holding was and is spot on. Pandya is not a good enough bowler and a barely competent test batsman. He is not a good enough test all rounder, a point also raised by Nasser and I believe it was Harby on commentary who somewhat agreed (Was too scared to go the whole hog and lose his BCCI contract).

Hardik averages 40 with the ball and a little over 30 with the bat. before this match, he had 10 wickets in 9 tests...that is barely more than a wicket a test. That is terrible in a two innings format.
 
Varun said:
If I had to take an educated guess, it is because of a likely denial of an IPL commentary contract in the league's earlier years.

I might be wrong and have no proof, but he has only proceeded to shoot himself in the foot in the years since, and now he is not in any contention whatsoever unlike his counterparts in the Sky Box (incl. David Lloyd).

Seriously - nobody can be that aggressive just because of T20 cricket, especially if he himself has bitten the forbidden apple with his dealings with Allen Stanford and the CPL, and with rebel cricket in decades past.

As it stands, the IPL has nothing to lose by not having Mr.Whispering Death on its rolls. He is only increasingly irrelevant with each passing year, and grainy YouTube footage from the last century is his only claim to fame now.
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Who enjoys sitting at home and doing nothing when commentators from rest of the world are earning in the IPL.
 
barah_admi said:
Soooo sensitive!

Holding was and is spot on. Pandya is not a good enough bowler and a barely competent test batsman. He is not a good enough test all rounder, a point also raised by Nasser and I believe it was Harby on commentary who somewhat agreed (Was too scared to go the whole hog and lose his BCCI contract).

Hardik averages 40 with the ball and a little over 30 with the bat. before this match, he had 10 wickets in 9 tests...that is barely more than a wicket a test. That is terrible in a two innings format.
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Lol, no. http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/625371.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling

Now he averages 28 with the ball, and 32 with the bat. His bowling average is already better than anything Amir can dream of right now. :amir
 
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Varun said:
...and perhaps not out of choice.
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I may know exactly the reason behind this issue. This goes further back than the IPL. Holding was once a regular on India commentary circuit. Pretty much how Ian Bishop is at this point in time.
 
cricketjoshila said:
I may know exactly the reason behind this issue. This goes further back than the IPL. Holding was once a regular on India commentary circuit. Pretty much how Ian Bishop is at this point in time.
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Be great if you can elaborate on this. If certain details are confidential, feel free to be vague.
 
Holding should join Twitter so I can fire Internet-AMRAAMs at him.

Nobody has cared enough about the Whispering Death handle to capture it, so it's all his.
 
Nice response.

Shows he is mentally tough to come back from abysmal performances to produce a match-winning one.
 
Varun said:
Be great if you can elaborate on this. If certain details are confidential, feel free to be vague.
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Not exactly confidential.But not exactly published news either.BCCI started television production and hiring commentators during 2007-08 period.This is both for international cricket and IPL. There were whispers that commies were told that talking about BCCI administration was a strict no no.

Someone like Ian Chappel refused to obey such rules and hence was not hired by BCCI. Others may have been ****** and not having their way and decided to go on a anti BCCI tirade.
 
As things stand today Pandya has a batting average of 35+ and bowling average of 28+!! Purely stats wise, those numbers are better than the legend Kapil :p

For a few days, Pandya trolling Holding. Maybe he should have done a Ramdin and taken out a piece of paper reading " Yeak Mike,Talk nah"
 
cricketindiafan said:
As things stand today Pandya has a batting average of 35+ and bowling average of 28+!! Purely stats wise, those numbers are better than the legend Kapil :p

For a few days, Pandya trolling Holding. Maybe he should have done a Ramdin and taken out a piece of paper reading " Yeak Mike,Talk nah"
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Yeah he has done well, but let's not compare him with Kapil, the guy was amazing for a longer period of time.
 
Considering the fact that Stokes is already an established world class all-rounder, Pandya is undoubtedly the best young all-rounder in the world.

However, Mitch Marsh can challenge him. He has a lot of potential as well.

Holding spouting rubbish as usual. Throw him a bone (IPL contract) and watch the Whispering Death crawl his way to India.
 
Didn't want to interject in this cheesy cesspit of hate as I feel Holding has lost his touch in the last few years by making certain statements that can be classified as sensationalist at best.

However, anyone stating Holding dislikes India because he can't get an IPL contract has to be either willingly obtuse or is just a distasteful troll. It seems the Indian supporters have been spoon-fed a dose of pussilanimous praise and squalid obsequiousness from the spineless lackeys commentating on the BCCI productions over the years that they have become conditioned to become intolerant to all sorts of criticism and are forced to resort to ad-hominem attacks.
 
Last Monetarist said:
However, anyone stating Holding dislikes India because he can't get an IPL contract has to be either willingly obtuse or is just a distasteful troll. It seems the Indian supporters have been spoon-fed a dose of pussilanimous praise and squalid obsequiousness from the spineless lackeys commentating on the BCCI productions over the years that they have become conditioned to become intolerant to all sorts of criticism and are forced to resort to ad-hominem attacks.
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gazza619 said:
Replace undoubtedly with arguably.

Pandya being regarded as one of the current best, tells how poor the world standard is..
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Indeed it is a poor era of all-rounders, but Pandya is the best of the upcoming a lot along with Mitch Marsh (pontentially). That is why I used the word “undoubtedly”.
 
Mamoon said:
Considering the fact that Stokes is already an established world class all-rounder, Pandya is undoubtedly the best young all-rounder in the world.

However, Mitch Marsh can challenge him. He has a lot of potential as well.

Holding spouting rubbish as usual. Throw him a bone (IPL contract) and watch the Whispering Death crawl his way to India.
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Yup, I think Holding needs a David Bumble Lloyd treatment, the only thing is Bumble only occasionally showed his nasty contempt whereas Holding has made it his life passion to hate on Indian cricket, IPL and the BCCI.

Holding went so silent when Pandya took 5 wickets with just one or two fake statements while he celebrates English pacers, he was totally silent whenever Indian batsmen where hitting runs and crossing milestone scores and absolute silence when Pandya scored 50 runs at 100 strike rate.

Sometimes you generate some much hatred over the years within yourself that it is difficult to come to reality even after getting good money from someone who you hate. But anyway it can be a good social experiment which has so far worked successfully on David Bumble Lloyd.
 
Reddy said:
Yup, I think Holding needs a David Bumble Lloyd treatment, the only thing is Bumble only occasionally showed his nasty contempt whereas Holding has made it his life passion to hate on Indian cricket, IPL and the BCCI.

Holding went so silent when Pandya took 5 wickets with just one or two fake statements while he celebrates English pacers, he was totally silent whenever Indian batsmen where hitting runs and crossing milestone scores and absolute silence when Pandya scored 50 runs at 100 strike rate.

Sometimes you generate some much hatred over the years within yourself that it is difficult to come to reality even after getting good money from someone who you hate. But anyway it can be a good social experiment which has so far worked successfully on David Bumble Lloyd.
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Exactly. “Bumble” has been brutally exposed and embarrassed for the hypocrite that he is. “Whispering Death” should be next in line.
 
Napa said:
Good guess, it is indeed 28.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/625371.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling

Also his Test batting avg is up to 35.
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That's good but one match should not replace his previous failures. I'd be more than happy if he turns into a terrific all rounder (as would Faheem, God do we need all rounders in cricket) but Holding, at the time of his comments, along with Nasser and I think Harby, were correct. One match does not wipe out 9. The next 10 could wipe them out though, so lets see.
 
Mamoon said:
Considering the fact that Stokes is already an established world class all-rounder, Pandya is undoubtedly the best young all-rounder in the world.

However, Mitch Marsh can challenge him. He has a lot of potential as well.

Holding spouting rubbish as usual. Throw him a bone (IPL contract) and watch the Whispering Death crawl his way to India.
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I can bash you from so many angles in this post, its not even funny. But what’s the point when you’ll run away and not even post in the thread when the going gets tough for ‘arguably the best young all-rounder in world cricket’. It became so bad, I started to feel sorry for you lot before this Test.

Absolutely nothing wrong with what Holding has said.
 
Mamoon said:
Considering the fact that Stokes is already an established world class all-rounder, Pandya is undoubtedly the best young all-rounder in the world.

However, Mitch Marsh can challenge him. He has a lot of potential as well.

Holding spouting rubbish as usual. Throw him a bone (IPL contract) and watch the Whispering Death crawl his way to India.
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Stokes is not an established world class all rounder.

Stokes and Pandya are ok by modern standards, sure.
 
I started Michael holding bashing in this thread, but even in my first post I mentioned 2 things are independent and in my view still stand good -
1. Pandya is a rubbish all-rounder lucky to be playing international cricket.
2. Michael Holding is a rubbish commentator who can never see anything good in WI or Indian cricket. He always finds way to criticize them even when they play well.
 
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Good performance by Pandya. I hope he turns out to be a brilliant all-rounder for India over the years.

He won't be a Kapil but he should be better than Razzak.
 
One thing I noticed earlier in his batting in this test was he was willing to grit in this test earlier he scored 18 runs only but he was ready to guts it out,this is his first tour to England, so I think he will continue to improve.
 
Pandya out for the 7 ball duck. His poor run continues.

Last 8 innings: 31,22,26,11,52,18,4,0

50s = 1
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Pandya and Rahul, the two golden IPL boys are the two weak links in this Indian test side alongside Ashwin.
 
Michael Holding interview coming soon on PakPassion. He spoke about Pandya.
 
It's funny on pakpassion when pandya performs he becomes 10 times the player faheem is and when he fails he's mediocre. For me he's still average.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Holding knew what would happen today - he was the only Sky Sports commentator who checked out of the hotel before play this morning <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIND</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1036288591461269505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 2, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Holding knew what would happen today - he was the only Sky Sports commentator who checked out of the hotel before play this morning <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIND</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1036288591461269505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 2, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Legendary for a reason #vision20/20
 
Soo are fans still fickle and all that? Or is that only the case when golden boy flukes a decent performance? :))
 
Mamoon said:
Considering the fact that Stokes is already an established world class all-rounder, Pandya is undoubtedly the best young all-rounder in the world.

However, Mitch Marsh can challenge him. He has a lot of potential as well.

Holding spouting rubbish as usual. Throw him a bone (IPL contract) and watch the Whispering Death crawl his way to India.
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so you admit that the ipl bone does work...
 
Poor shot in the second innings.

Hung his bat out to dry and gave the slips catching practice.

Lots to learn yet for the 'next Kapil Dev'.
 
He did nothing outside that 5-fer in this series.

He also did nothing outside that 95 in SA series.

He needs to find more consistency. One fluke performance is something even Pujara delivers. He is young but need to up his game.
 
Ab Fan said:
He did nothing outside that 5-fer in this series.

He also did nothing outside that 95 in SA series.

He needs to find more consistency. One fluke performance is something even Pujara delivers. He is young but need to up his game.
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He won us the 3rd and only test this series.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
He won us the 3rd and only test this series.
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And he lost you 3 tests this series being utterly useless with bat and ball. And before that he was a dud in SA as well except 1 innings of notr. If this pathetic ratio is good for you then by all means stick to him. The fifer and 50 which he contributed in 3rd test is going to haunt India now because he wont be dropped.
 
Madplayer said:
And he lost you 3 tests this series being utterly useless with bat and ball. And before that he was a dud in SA as well except 1 innings of notr. If this pathetic ratio is good for you then by all means stick to him. The fifer and 50 which he contributed in 3rd test is going to haunt India now because he wont be dropped.
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India is basically fine with Pandya being the new Afridi but the sad bit is that he has the skill of Anwar Ali. I just kind feel bad for rational Indian fans because they would become a much better team if they are to replace him with a proper bat/bowler....
 
Lots of one game wonders in this team. Fact is Rahul, Dhawan, Pandya, Pujara or Rahane all have been consistently rubbish throughout. Their long term place in team has to be questioned overseas.
 
Madplayer said:
And he lost you 3 tests this series being utterly useless with bat and ball. And before that he was a dud in SA as well except 1 innings of notr. If this pathetic ratio is good for you then by all means stick to him. The fifer and 50 which he contributed in 3rd test is going to haunt India now because he wont be dropped.
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When you say he lost you three tests: do you mean to say he alone all by himself lost the three tests for India?
 
Canford Cliffs said:
He won us the 3rd and only test this series.
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He didnt won you single-handedly. It was a team effort. The bowling was due to all-round performance by Bumrah, Ishant and Pandya while batting was due to Kohli, Pujara and Rahane.
 
Pandya should play only in home test matches for 1 or 2 years as third seamer + No.6 batsman. At the same time India should also develop a batsman + spin bowling alrounder (first he should be batsman). Where is Jayant Yadav? I think he (or his kind of player) would have made bit difference in last match just like Moeen Ali!

You can criticize the top order batsman as much possible, but you should observe that even England batsmen struggled in these matches. At least Indian batsmen score runs in India (For e.g., Rahul... I am not backing this guy, I am the most disappointed person when it comes to his regress in test cricket/opening) What about English batsmen? Still they won three matches! So it again comes down to team selection and management where we failed again! Look at England, how they selected teams based on conditions (they erred with Curran thinking that he is a new guy! Hence they lost only match which he didn't play!) India lost two matches because of poor team selection (played extra spinner in one of the match, and did't play extra spinner when they needed!)
 
After play home matches for a year or so, then he should be checked whether he is capable enough to play overseas! He has decent pace, so he should not be completely discarded! He should improve batting definitely (only home matches can give that confidence. Let him grow)
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
India is basically fine with Pandya being the new Afridi but the sad bit is that he has the skill of Anwar Ali. I just kind feel bad for rational Indian fans because they would become a much better team if they are to replace him with a proper bat/bowler....
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You should ask from Imad Wasim and Shadab Khan who got royal treatment from our so called Anwar Ali. I know why you guys dislike Pandya though. :)
 
Canford Cliffs said:
You should ask from Imad Wasim and Shadab Khan who got royal treatment from our so called Anwar Ali. I know why you guys dislike Pandya though. :)
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What do you want us to ask them?

Meanwhile, do ask Bumrah and Bhuvi how it felt to get the royal treatment from Mohammad Hafeez, a player that cannot find a place in the Pakistan team nowadays.
 
Usman Chadda said:
What do you want us to ask them?

Meanwhile, do ask Bumrah and Bhuvi how it felt to get the royal treatment from Mohammad Hafeez, a player that cannot find a place in the Pakistan team nowadays.
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Yes but we are not on a hating spree towards Hafeez like you guys doing for Pandya.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Yes but we are not on a hating spree towards Hafeez like you guys doing for Pandya.
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Hate is a strong word. I wish Pandya the best, but I’m positive he’ll do jack with all that encouragement.

Media is absolutely ripping him to shreds right now though.
 
Chrish said:
Lots of one game wonders in this team. Fact is Rahul, Dhawan, Pandya, Pujara or Rahane all have been consistently rubbish throughout. Their long term place in team has to be questioned overseas.
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I still have high hopes from Rahul.

Dhawan is done as far as tests are concerned I think.

Pandya is simply not a test match player yet. He performs a role in the LOI side but is nothing but a wasted slot in the test XI.

But it's highly unfair to club Pujara and Rahane with the others.

Pujara and Rahane have outscored all but 2 English batsmen - Curran and Butler. They haven't set the stage on fire but they have put in respectable performances - especially Pujara.
 
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get some more fancy haircuts and tattoos..and get smashed abroad..Hardik Pandya for you..

Pujara is the ideal batsman for India in test cricket and should be treated with more respect. Humble, down to earth guy who can grind it out. dhawan and these other peacocks are rubbish test players..They take advantage of the limited rules in ODI's and we all think they are real players..Kohli, Pujara and rahane are the core of this indian batting lineup..you need to build around this core..
 
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the Great Khan said:
get some more fancy haircuts and tattoos..puff the chest out and then get smashed abroad..Hardik Pandya for you..

Pujara is the ideal batsman for India in test cricket and should be treated with more respect. Humble, down to earth guy who can grind it out. dhawan and these other peacocks are rubbish test players..They take advantage of the limited rules in ODI's and we all think they are real players..Kohli, Pujara and rahane are the core of this indian batting lineup..you need to build around this core..
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Totally agree with the bold part.

Hardik actually hasn't done too bad as a bowler. 10 wickets with a SR under 39 are good numbers. But he has totally failed with the bat.

Hardik should either make it to the team as the 3rd seamer or he should sit out. It is clear that he is not a no 6/7 test batsman.
 
Indian fans had it coming when they insulted a legend like holding for criticizing a overhyped player like Pandya. ( many past Indian batters still tremble in fear and feel weakness in their feet whenever someone utters the name Michel holding in front of them because of the way he terrorised the indian batters in his playing days)
 
RainMan_ said:
Indian fans had it coming when they insulted a legend like holding for criticizing a overhyped player like Pandya. ( many past Indian batters still tremble in fear and feel weakness in their feet whenever someone utters the name Michel holding in front of them because of the way he terrorised the indian batters in his playing days)
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Lol Holding did better against England and Australia than India.

Wickets, avg, SR, ER - every stat is worse against India than it is against England and Australia. :))
 
the_outsider said:
Lol Holding did better against England and Australia than India.

Wickets, avg, SR, ER - every stat is worse against India than it is against England and Australia. :))
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What are his stats against India, the poster's statement could be true even if England and Australia fared worse
 
RainMan_ said:
Indian fans had it coming when they insulted a legend like holding for criticizing a overhyped player like Pandya. ( many past Indian batters still tremble in fear and feel weakness in their feet whenever someone utters the name Michel holding in front of them because of the way he terrorised the indian batters in his playing days)
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No doubt Pandya is overhyped but its better to be terrorised by Michael Holding than Jason Holder. :inti
 
The sheer vitriol on social media from Indian fans in-regards to Pandya is pretty shocking, tbh. They genuinely hate his "celebrity" attitude and demeanour.
 
the_outsider said:
Lol Holding did better against England and Australia than India.

Wickets, avg, SR, ER - every stat is worse against India than it is against England and Australia. :))
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I was referring to the bloodbath of Jamaica in 75-76 Ind-WI series where holding changed the complexion of many Indian batters face with his fierce fast bowling.

As the demoralised Indian contingent disembarked from their flight at Bombay’s Santacruz Airport, not too many fans were waiting to welcome them back. One wonders whether even the biggest diehard follower of Indian cricket could have recognised them. Battered, bruised and beleaguered, the men could have easily been taken for a troop on the way back from Ha Noi. Life and limb had been at peril, and yards of gauze and bandages spoke about the ghastly travails.

Gundappa Viswanath had a plaster cast running from his forearm to fingers. Anshuman Gaekwad was barely recognisable; his features wrapped from chin to crown in white dressing. Brijesh Patel had three stitches on his upper lip.

Slightly less alarming, but nevertheless claimed as serious enough to prevent them from batting, were the injured fingers of skipper Bishan Bedi and his spin bowling partner Bhagwat Chandrasekhar.

Indeed, it had been as close to bombardment as it gets on the cricket field. Of the most gruesome kind. "The West Indian tactics in this Sabina Park Test were not part of the game. They were a deliberate effort to subdue us," lamented Bedi.

Clyde Walcott, the Caribbean team manager, however, waved the incident away by saying, "India were ill-equipped to play fast bowling." And captain Clive Lloyd was even more dismissive: "This is cricket — if you get hit you have to take it!"
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