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First time captain of the Gujrat Lions team and leads the side to a final and delivering in the final with three wickets including in form Jos Buttler wicket .

Has india found a new future captain in limited overs cricket?
 
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First time captain Gujrat lion team and lead the side to final and delivering in final with three wickets including inform Buttler wicket .Has india found new future captain in limited over cricket? Discuss

No one can replace MS Dhoni in Indian cricket.

Dhoni was at his peak in the early 2010s, when his captaincy acumen was next to none and his batting was more consistent than over. When India won the 2011 World Cup, Dhoni was in his prime. Having observed Dhoni from close quarters, Ramji Srinivasan, who was Team India's trainer witness first-hand what separated MSD from the rest. And today, after all these years, he says that Dhoni is extremely fit for a 40-year-old athlete.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/tren...r-he-is-one-in-a-billion-101653465648109.html

Mr Hardik Pandya can't even play 3 back to back series these days and you are comparing him with Dhoni. There is a reason selectors chose KL Rahul as a captain in the upcoming series against South Africa lol. :inti
 
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RR two main batsman were Buttler and Hetmyer, he got the better of both.
 
Not sure about MSD but definitely the best option for captaincy after Rohit. He should be made vice captain of Indian LOI team.

Captaincy wise this season :-

Hardik >>>> Shreyas> KL = Pant( both were poor)
 
Not sure about MSD but definitely the best option for captaincy after Rohit. He should be made vice captain of Indian LOI team.

Captaincy wise this season :-

Hardik >>>> Shreyas> KL = Pant( both were poor)

Yeah I was saying the same. As Rohit is too old and Rahul not suit for captancy. Hardik is best option india has...
 
An IPL hero at best.

Will get mysteriously "injured" before any 5-ODI or 3-test series anywhere in the world.
 
Will take him any day over the likes of Rahul and Pant who are scared kittens under pressure.
 
Having led Gujarat Titans to the Indian Premier League (IPL) final in their maiden season, Hardik Pandya put on a captain's display with the ball in the summit clash against Rajasthan Royals at the Narendra Modi Stadium in Ahmedabad as he got rid of their three biggest batters - Jos Buttler, Sanju Samson and Shimron Hetmyer.

Samson and Buttler were rebuilding well for the Royals after the wicket of opener Yashasvi Jaiswal when Hardik came in to bowl the ninth over. With just his second delivery of the match, the Gujarat Titans skipper had his opposite number Samson caught out for 14 off 11 after he skied an attempted hoick.

Then, with the first ball of his third over, he got Buttler to edge one behind with a lovely delivery in the channel outside the off-stump, sending the season's leading run-scorer packing for 39 off 35.

And then, in his final over, he took a simple return catch to dismiss the Royals' best bet in the death overs, Shimron Hetmyer. The West Indies southpaw fell for just 11 off 12 deliveries.

It was a stunning display of bowling as he bowled his quota of four overs on the trot, finishing with figures of 3/17.

He will finish the season with a tally of 8 wickets from 15 matches.

His brilliant spell helped the Titans restrict Rajasthan Royals to 130/9 in 20 overs, after Samson won the toss and elected to bat.

NDTV
 
Took 3 wickets...bowled fast today including the wicket of Butler.
Unfortunately his perfomances go south when playing for India. He is like David Beckham...great in leagues but not in world cup team jersey
 
I always rated him high! He belongs to the rare breed in India (Fast bowling alrounder). That alone deserves some respect! Fitness has been his only major concern. Coaches at initial level of his development should have figured out his weakness (fitness) and sorted it out given the kind of value/balance he can bring to team... If he bowls like this (with fitness), then he is a must in the team (even in overseas tests!). His batting will automatically follow after that...
 
I always rated him high! He belongs to the rare breed in India (Fast bowling alrounder). That alone deserves some respect! Fitness has been his only major concern. Coaches at initial level of his development should have figured out his weakness (fitness) and sorted it out given the kind of value/balance he can bring to team... If he bowls like this (with fitness), then he is a must in the team (even in overseas tests!). His batting will automatically follow after that...

Same old excuses. Wake up. Shardul Thakur has been giving better performances both with the bat and ball these days. And then there is Deepak Chahar. Difference is these guys have to prove themselves everytime they play for India whereas a showoff like Pandya gets unlimited opportunities and excuses. :inti
 
Unfortunately his perfomances go south when playing for India. He is like David Beckham...great in leagues but not in world cup team jersey

You are clouting your judgement based on what happened in last T20 World cup when he was injured.

He was excellent in 2019 world cup when he was bowling fast and giving much needed lower order runs. He battwd well in pretty much every game...think a small look at the match screcards would help. Also his bowling was the reason why India was able to play Kul-Cha in that whole world cup. Think he was our best bowler in that famous game against Pakistan.

He was also one of our asset in 2017 Champions trophy and played well in almost every game including the finals.

As a rookee he was brilliant in 2016 T20 world cup as well. Remember him defending 2 runs in 3 balls against BD?

Problem is some people here have a prejudice (perhaps hatred) towards Pandya for some unknown reason. Maybe his peronalilty put some people off.

Is he world beater all rounder like Ben Stokes? No.

But he is still a very fine cricketer in his own rights and one of the best fast bowling all rounders India produced.
 
You are clouting your judgement based on what happened in last T20 World cup when he was injured.

He was excellent in 2019 world cup when he was bowling fast and giving much needed lower order runs. He battwd well in pretty much every game...think a small look at the match screcards would help. Also his bowling was the reason why India was able to play Kul-Cha in that whole world cup. Think he was our best bowler in that famous game against Pakistan.

He was also one of our asset in 2017 Champions trophy and played well in almost every game including the finals.

As a rookee he was brilliant in 2016 T20 world cup as well. Remember him defending 2 runs in 3 balls against BD?

Problem is some people here have a prejudice (perhaps hatred) towards Pandya for some unknown reason. Maybe his peronalilty put some people off.

Is he world beater all rounder like Ben Stokes? No.

But he is still a very fine cricketer in his own rights and one of the best fast bowling all rounders India produced.

Is he fully fit now? :inti
 
Top 5 active all rounders in LOIs for India :-

1. Hardik Pandya
2. Hardik Pandya
3. Hardik Pandya
4. Hardik Pandya
5. Deepak Chahar

Jadeja and Shardul are poor LOI all rounders. Former is a poor man's Shadab Khan in LOis while latter is poor man's Mitchell Marsh who fluked a good knock in WT20 final but has several technical deficiencies in his game. Rest like Axar Patel, Krunal Pandya, Washington Sundar are wannabe A/Rs.
 
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Rahul yes.

But Pant and scared of pressure?

:salute

I meant as a captain not while batting.

Just check how he handled that virtual KO game against MI recently. Horrible reviewing, dropping absolute sitters and his body language as a whole was atrocious.
 
All-rounder Hardik Pandya is being tipped as a future India captain after leading an unfancied debut team to victory in the world's most valuable cricket tournament.

Pandya's Gujarat Titans thrashed Rajasthan Royals by seven wickets in the Indian Premier League final on Sunday, with the skipper taking three wickets and scoring 34 runs in front of nearly 105,000 fans in the world's biggest cricket stadium.

It was the culmination of an extraordinary season that began with pundits lashing the side's purchases in the player auction, questioning Pandya's appointment as captain and predicting a dire outcome for the expansion franchise's first season.

But the 28-year-old -- a flamboyant cricketer who loves his tattoos and expensive watches, and was once suspended for sexist comments on a TV show -- has proved a revelation in his first leadership role.

Commentators have lauded the precision of his decision-making and field-setting in the Twenty20 format.

In the wake of the Titans' triumph at their home ground in Ahmedabad, former India captain Sunil Gavaskar said Pandya would be a worthy choice to follow in his footsteps.

"When you have leadership qualities, it automatically opens the door for honours at the national level to be able to captain the Indian national team in the near future," the batting great said.

"The way he has led the team, the way he has got them together, the way he has got them to gel together means he has got leadership qualities," he told Star Sports.

"Not just my estimation, but everybody's estimation. This was an aspect of his game which nobody had too much information about."

The national side are currently led in all formats by Rohit Sharma, who was appointed earlier this year after Virat Kohli's ODI sacking, but at 35 he is unlikely to be a long-term captain and is being rested for a home series against South Africa in June.

Rohit's five-time IPL champions Mumbai Indians had a disastrous season, finishing bottom of table.

'Dream come true'
A hard-hitting middle-order batsman and a fast bowler, Pandya has played 11 Tests, 63 one-day internationals and 54 Twenty20 matches for India.

A back injury kept him out after the T20 World Cup last year but he proved his fitness with 487 runs and eight wickets in 15 IPL matches to earn a recall for the five-match Twenty20 series against South Africa beginning on June 9.

He could be given his first taste of national leadership in two T20s in Ireland later in June, according to Indian media reports.

Pandya said he had "always enjoyed responsibility" and "it kind of gets the best out of me".

His next goal, he told reporters after the IPL victory, was "absolutely to win the World Cup for India no matter what happens.

"Playing for India has always been a dream come true, no matter how many times and how many games I have played. And the kind of love and support I've got it's only from the Indian team point of view."

India, then led by Kohli, failed to make the semi-finals of last year's T20 World Cup in the United Arab Emirates but will have another shot at the title when Australia host the next edition later this year.

Former New Zealand captain Daniel Vettori feels captaincy does not burden Pandya as all-rounders are used to donning different hats.

"I think the thing we forget about all-rounders is they have so much responsibility on them anyway," he told ESPNcricinfo.

"So they can actually handle it because they bowl all day, they bat all day, they are used to being busy all the time."

Pandya was "very authentic", he added. "He feels comfortable with leadership, with responsibility."

© 2022 AFP
 
Same old excuses. Wake up. Shardul Thakur has been giving better performances both with the bat and ball these days. And then there is Deepak Chahar. Difference is these guys have to prove themselves everytime they play for India whereas a showoff like Pandya gets unlimited opportunities and excuses. :inti

In what way Shardul Thakur & Deepak Chahar have overtaken Pandya? Is it some moments they had in their careers so far? (Even Hrishikesh Kaniktar, Rajesh Chouhan and Joginder Sharma relished such moments!) In that sense even Pandya has seen lots of such moments in his "international" career so far! Just because you hate someone and have prejudice doesn't change facts! I think you have this phobia against certain players when people start hyping them.

Yes, without hyping and given plenty of opportunities to someone who has potential, you will never see them reach their success point! I am sure you would have behaved same way with Kohli, Dhoni, even Sachin if you were part of active discussion forums then! Even those guys were hyped in their initial days (its a natural mass tendency when some special talent is hyped! And you just hate it). I am sure you would have criticized Sachin severely for taking so much time to score his first ODI century and supported someone like Raman Lamba who got it within 20 matches!

Hardik Pandya is made captain of a certain team (even though it is a Pyjama leauge) and considered as an important player for some obvious reason (which you can never assess!) And he is shown the result (even if you ignore it). Now he is the front-runner for future Indian Captaincy... (whether you like it or not!) This is how things shape up (even if you hate it). The same Pant who was hyped for his clutch batting is seen as a poor captain, so even his hard-core fans (whom you hate) have already understood that he may not find success with captaincy (And accordingly team managements will consider him in future!) Your Thakur & Chahar made no noise in this IPL (and I have already said that people - International cricket viewers know & rate Pandya more than Chahar/Thakur, etc. And he is been in the scheme of things for much longer time than those guys!) And I have already confessed the only major weakness with Pandya (his fitness, but you will never talk about his strength!). That's the only reason for his setback!
 
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New Dhoni? Nope.

MSD has won ICC trophies. Hardik is yet to win anything beyond IPL.
 
In what way Shardul Thakur & Deepak Chahar have overtaken Pandya? Is it some moments they had in their careers so far? (Even Hrishikesh Kaniktar, Rajesh Chouhan and Joginder Sharma relished such moments!) In that sense even Pandya has seen lots of such moments in his "international" career so far! Just because you hate someone and have prejudice doesn't change facts! I think you have this phobia against certain players when people start hyping them.

Yes, without hyping and given plenty of opportunities to someone who has potential, you will never see them reach their success point! I am sure you would have behaved same way with Kohli, Dhoni, even Sachin if you were part of active discussion forums then! Even those guys were hyped in their initial days (its a natural mass tendency when some special talent is hyped! And you just hate it). I am sure you would have criticized Sachin severely for taking so much time to score his first ODI century and supported someone like Raman Lamba who got it within 20 matches!

Hardik Pandya is made captain of a certain team (even though it is a Pyjama leauge) and considered as an important player for some obvious reason (which you can never assess!) And he is shown the result (even if you ignore it). Now he is the front-runner for future Indian Captaincy... (whether you like it or not!) This is how things shape up (even if you hate it). The same Pant who was hyped for his clutch batting is seen as a poor captain, so even his hard-core fans (whom you hate) have already understood that he may not find success with captaincy (And accordingly team managements will consider him in future!) Your Thakur & Chahar made no noise in this IPL (and I have already said that people - International cricket viewers know & rate Pandya more than Chahar/Thakur, etc. And he is been in the scheme of things for much longer time than those guys!) And I have already confessed the only major weakness with Pandya (his fitness, but you will never talk about his strength!). That's the only reason for his setback!

It seems you have been living under a rock or something for the past couple of months. Kindly update yourself with whats going on in international cricket and then quote me. IPL performances mean jack in International cricket. I think you would have realised this by now after looking at Pandya's career graph lol. You are nothing more than a plastic fan who only appears when a player is doing well in Pyjama Leagues these days. :inti
 
It seems you have been living under a rock or something for the past couple of months. Kindly update yourself with whats going on in international cricket and then quote me. IPL performances mean jack in International cricket. I think you would have realised this by now after looking at Pandya's career graph lol. You are nothing more than a plastic fan who only appears when a player is doing well in Pyjama Leagues these days. :inti

https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/hardik-pandya-625371

This is Hardik Pandya's career! It is not that he has done nothing in international cricket, you need to open your plastic eyes! Chahar/Thakur have not done anything more than this. Looks like whoever player does well in IPL enters into your black-list!

Also I have clearly said that Pandya's biggest weakness is his fitness! If he has was fit, his career would have got a proper picture!
 
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https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/hardik-pandya-625371

This is Hardik Pandya's career! It is not that he has done nothing in international cricket, you need to open your plastic eyes! Chahar/Thakur have not done anything more than this. Looks like whoever player does well in IPL enters into your black-list!

Also I have clearly said that Pandya's biggest weakness is his fitness! If he has was fit, his career would have got a proper picture!
No, it looks like you only defend players when they perform well in IPL but you are nowhere to be seen when the same players perform poorly in international cricket. Look at the opportunities Pandya has got as compared to other players yet he hasn't done anything special in his career so far. If his weakness is his fitness then why is he playing in IPL? Is he fully fit now? Or are you going to bring this fitness excuse again if he fails to live up to your expectations? :inti
 
In T20s as all rounders:-

Pandya - 9 :inti
Deepak C - 7.5
Shardul - 6.5
Jadeja - 3.5
V Iyer - 2.5
 
No, it looks like you only defend players when they perform well in IPL but you are nowhere to be seen when the same players perform poorly in international cricket. Look at the opportunities Pandya has got as compared to other players yet he hasn't done anything special in his career so far. If his weakness is his fitness then why is he playing in IPL? Is he fully fit now? Or are you going to bring this fitness excuse again if he fails to live up to your expectations? :inti

There are lots of players who perform well in IPL. For e.g., Suryakumar Yadav, Ishan Kishan, etc. Also each year some X player comes out and performs better than everyone! We don't hype/support all of them! We only support the important ones, the real game changers. Tell me one player whom we supported/hyped only based on IPL? Actually its the other way round, it is only when these players play exceptional international cricket is when we start hyping them! (Pant, Rahul, Bumrah they all are hyped only because of their performances in international cricket that too after they performed well in tests!)

Even Pandya has not performed only in IPL. Champions trophy finals and England lone test win in one series are some of the his major efforts! Don't say that we see only his IPL heroics! I still remember at one point how he was bowling full 10 overs in ODIs and providing such great balance to the team (He was bowling better than No.3 fast bowler in the team!) Also I was so thrilled about the possibility of him becoming alrounder in Tests too! Unfortunately he couldn't continue that good work due to fitness issues! But his fitness is sufficient for T20. In previous IPL seasons he was not even bowling (if still his franchisee considered him to play, then it shows his value!) In international cricket the competition and demand is high, hence his fitness becomes a factor! If he is fit, he will definitely be the first choice alrounder across all formats!

And you always say that players choose IPL over international cricket, I think your whole notion about IPL is wrong (which you will always fail to get!) This "Pandya" case should make you understand about this. Since IPL teams are a spread-out team format with so many Indian players getting chance to play (even international players for that matter) teams can carry all kinds of players whether they are injured, not-in-form, making comebacks, etc. But you can't think beyond "IPL is waste, International Patriotic Cricket suffering drubbings at the hands of Pakistan, Sri-Lanka (forget other teams) in 90s is the only real cricket!"

Another issue with you is you want all players to get equal chances. That is not how a team is managed. (I think I have repeated try to make you understand this, and you will never-ever get it!) If you are made the selector you will form a team which is the most destabilized in the history of "games"!
 
There are lots of players who perform well in IPL. For e.g., Suryakumar Yadav, Ishan Kishan, etc. Also each year some X player comes out and performs better than everyone! We don't hype/support all of them! We only support the important ones, the real game changers. Tell me one player whom we supported/hyped only based on IPL? Actually its the other way round, it is only when these players play exceptional international cricket is when we start hyping them! (Pant, Rahul, Bumrah they all are hyped only because of their performances in international cricket that too after they performed well in tests!)

Even Pandya has not performed only in IPL. Champions trophy finals and England lone test win in one series are some of the his major efforts! Don't say that we see only his IPL heroics! I still remember at one point how he was bowling full 10 overs in ODIs and providing such great balance to the team (He was bowling better than No.3 fast bowler in the team!) Also I was so thrilled about the possibility of him becoming alrounder in Tests too! Unfortunately he couldn't continue that good work due to fitness issues! But his fitness is sufficient for T20. In previous IPL seasons he was not even bowling (if still his franchisee considered him to play, then it shows his value!) In international cricket the competition and demand is high, hence his fitness becomes a factor! If he is fit, he will definitely be the first choice alrounder across all formats!

And you always say that players choose IPL over international cricket, I think your whole notion about IPL is wrong (which you will always fail to get!) This "Pandya" case should make you understand about this. Since IPL teams are a spread-out team format with so many Indian players getting chance to play (even international players for that matter) teams can carry all kinds of players whether they are injured, not-in-form, making comebacks, etc. But you can't think beyond "IPL is waste, International Patriotic Cricket suffering drubbings at the hands of Pakistan, Sri-Lanka (forget other teams) in 90s is the only real cricket!"

Another issue with you is you want all players to get equal chances. That is not how a team is managed. (I think I have repeated try to make you understand this, and you will never-ever get it!) If you are made the selector you will form a team which is the most destabilized in the history of "games"!
Is he fully fit now? Are you going to use this fitness excuse if he fails to live upto expectations? :inti
 
Is he fully fit now? Are you going to use this fitness excuse if he fails to live upto expectations? :inti

He should seek Kapil Dev's advice on how to maintain fitness.. Modern food and fitness regimes may not suit him... I will give fitness excuse only if he "misses out" important matches not if he underperforms, don't be so naive... It is not that there are tons of players to snatch his position, he is competing only with himself! (Where is your favorite Vijay Shankar today? I know you will say that Vijay Shankar would have become Ian Botham/Imran Khan today if he was given same chances like Pandya & others! Sadly this is how you think about gauging players & their potential!)
 
He should seek Kapil Dev's advice on how to maintain fitness.. Modern food and fitness regimes may not suit him... I will give fitness excuse only if he "misses out" important matches not if he underperforms, don't be so naive... It is not that there are tons of players to snatch his position, he is competing only with himself! (Where is your favorite Vijay Shankar today? I know you will say that Vijay Shankar would have become Ian Botham/Imran Khan today if he was given same chances like Pandya & others! Sadly this is how you think about gauging players & their potential!)

Not sure what has Vijay Shankar got to do with this thread? Getting desperate now? I never hyped Vijay Shankar and as I have mentioned above some players should have got more games than they got to prove their worth. Guys like Shankar, Iyer or even Shardul, Chahar will get limited opportunities. Saying these things doesn't mean that I am a shardul, chahar or shankar f@nboy. Learn to understand and then respond. I don't defend Shankars, Sharduls, or chahars here like you are doing Pandya here after multiple failures. I don't know how many times I have explained it you before also but you keep putting words in my mouth when you have nothing else left to debate lol. :rabada2

And according to you, Pandya should seek Kapil's help to maintain fitness which means he is not fully fit now? Or may be he is not because IPL has ended. :91: :inti
 
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Not sure what has Vijay Shankar got to do with this thread? Getting desperate now? I never hyped Vijay Shankar and as I have mentioned above some players should have got more games than they got to prove their worth. Guys like Shankar, Iyer or even Shardul, Chahar will get limited opportunities. Saying these things doesn't mean that I am a shardul, chahar or shankar f@nboy. Learn to understand and then respond. I don't defend Shankars, Sharduls, or chahars here like you are doing Pandya here after multiple failures. I don't know how many times I have explained it you before also but you keep putting words in my mouth when you have nothing else left to debate lol. :rabada2

And according to you, Pandya should seek Kapil's help to maintain fitness which means he is not fully fit now? Or may be he is not because IPL has ended. :91: :inti

I clearly know you will never hype anybody, you do the reverse of it (de-hype perhaps). Concentrating on key-players and giving them more chances is the way to build a proper team on the long run. There is a reason why Vijay Shankar was discarded before giving as many opportunities as given to Pandya! I remember the way you were backing Vijay Shankar, etc, to be given lots of opportunities, that's why I brought his example! The way you were backing him - an ordinary player (just to hate certain other players who were of course hyped by their fans which irks you of course) made me call him as your favorite!

Cricket is a "visual" game and not played on papers, by giving "x" number of opportunities to "y" number of players, then analyzing the stats and finally finalizing which players to be retained and dropped... is your way of building a team! But by the time you do it, already some important games would have gone underway and players might have lost many months/years!

You look like a typical "Political" thinking Indian who analyze everything based on political/quota based reasoning! You are the best example why a nation cannot progress thinking sharply (No wonder we saw guys like Vijay Shankar, Dinesh Kartik, past-Dhoni were all part of last world cup!)
 
I clearly know you will never hype anybody, you do the reverse of it (de-hype perhaps). Concentrating on key-players and giving them more chances is the way to build a proper team on the long run. There is a reason why Vijay Shankar was discarded before giving as many opportunities as given to Pandya! I remember the way you were backing Vijay Shankar, etc, to be given lots of opportunities, that's why I brought his example! The way you were backing him - an ordinary player (just to hate certain other players who were of course hyped by their fans which irks you of course) made me call him as your favorite!

Cricket is a "visual" game and not played on papers, by giving "x" number of opportunities to "y" number of players, then analyzing the stats and finally finalizing which players to be retained and dropped... is your way of building a team! But by the time you do it, already some important games would have gone underway and players might have lost many months/years!

You look like a typical "Political" thinking Indian who analyze everything based on political/quota based reasoning! You are the best example why a nation cannot progress thinking sharply (No wonder we saw guys like Vijay Shankar, Dinesh Kartik, past-Dhoni were all part of last world cup!)

Why do you keep assuming stuff about me lol? :91:

I gave a clear answer to you, yet you keep putting words in my mouth? Where did I back Shankar like you are doing with Pandya here? You are hiding your own insecurities here.
I read an article today regarding Pandya
and this is what he said :

'Wasim Jaffer was my favourite cricketer. I always placed him above other legends': India star's unusual pick

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ik-pandya-s-unusual-pick-101654583806251.html


Seeing your hate for players like Shankar, Samson, Iyer, Sharduls this should as a shocking surprise to you that Pandya looked up to Jaffer while growing up. :91: :inti
 
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Why do you keep assuming stuff about me lol? :91:

I gave a clear answer to you, yet you keep putting words in my mouth? Where did I back Shankar like you are doing with Pandya here? You are hiding your own insecurities here.
I read an article today regarding Pandya
and this is what he said :

'Wasim Jaffer was my favourite cricketer. I always placed him above other legends': India star's unusual pick

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ik-pandya-s-unusual-pick-101654583806251.html


Seeing your hate for players like Shankar, Samson, Iyer, Sharduls this should as a shocking surprise to you that Pandya looked up to Jaffer while growing up. :91: :inti

Shankar is mediocre. Pandya is the best all rounder in the world In LOI after stoke in terms of numbers but in actuality i dont believe he is. Thakur is a good utility player. What else? Chahar and thakur would be good options If you want them as your 4th and 5th bowling options. Their big positive is their batting ability. But if India choose them as their main attack then another phainta is in order.

I like tyagi and mohsin. They are very exciting talents.
 
Why do you keep assuming stuff about me lol? :91:

I gave a clear answer to you, yet you keep putting words in my mouth? Where did I back Shankar like you are doing with Pandya here? You are hiding your own insecurities here.
I read an article today regarding Pandya
and this is what he said :

'Wasim Jaffer was my favourite cricketer. I always placed him above other legends': India star's unusual pick

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ik-pandya-s-unusual-pick-101654583806251.html


Seeing your hate for players like Shankar, Samson, Iyer, Sharduls this should as a shocking surprise to you that Pandya looked up to Jaffer while growing up. :91: :inti

I won't get shocked about who their favorites and what they like (or even what they do off the field as long as it doesn't affect their game on the field!) I know your whole thinking about cricket is based on various other factors such as this!

I don't know what you are smoking, but Pandya will remain first choice alrounder for India if he is fully fit (even in tests perhaps, if he can regularly bowl) especially after what he has done this IPL (even if you hate it to the core) Whatever you whine, IPL is there for a purpose and they are not running it for some non-sense!
 
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I won't get shocked about who their favorites and what they like (or even what they do off the field as long as it doesn't affect their game on the field!) I know your whole thinking about cricket is based on various other factors such as this!

I don't know what you are smoking, but Pandya will remain first choice alrounder for India if he is fully fit (even in tests perhaps, if he can regularly bowl) especially after what he has done this IPL (even if you hate it to the core) Whatever you whine, IPL is there for a purpose and they are not running it for some non-sense!
Lol even in tests? Now what are you smoking? Pandya can barely bowl 4 overs and you are dreaming about him bowling in tests. Your whole argument revolves around him being fully fit.

I also asked you couple of times already and I will ask again. Is he fully fit now? :inti
 
I thought his career is over but now straightaway not just entry into Indian team but also vice captain?? Haha, folks over here getting exposed for calling out end of his career ROFL :inti
 
It seems winning IPL as a captain wasn't good enough to convince selectors that he is fit enough to lead India otherwise why would selectors choose a flop captain like Pant over Pandya? :inti
 
I thought his career is over but now straightaway not just entry into Indian team but also vice captain?? Haha, folks over here getting exposed for calling out end of his career ROFL :inti

His test career is already over and according to your weightage that should be the only format which matters the most. :91: :inti
 
It seems winning IPL as a captain wasn't good enough to convince selectors that he is fit enough to lead India otherwise why would selectors choose a flop captain like Pant over Pandya? :inti

Is pant captain now lol? Don't feel he is captain material. Pandya looks like the type of player who may do well in a leadership role but I am not quite sure if his bowling is adequate enough for odi. He can do a fairly oreasonable job as a assisting bowler in t20s absolutely. Not convinced for odi.

Certainly not tests unless he has magically gotten fitter.
 
I thought his career is over but now straightaway not just entry into Indian team but also vice captain?? Haha, folks over here getting exposed for calling out end of his career ROFL :inti

The only thing that's getting exposed is his bowling .
 
Lol even in tests? Now what are you smoking? Pandya can barely bowl 4 overs and you are dreaming about him bowling in tests. Your whole argument revolves around him being fully fit.

I also asked you couple of times already and I will ask again. Is he fully fit now? :inti

Yes he can be an asset if he is full fit (fit to bowl) and keeps his mind into his game. Those are the two issues, but I think nobody is bothered about it (coach, management....)
 
The only thing that's getting exposed is his bowling .

How? He only bowled one over. That's a pretty small sample. Or else based on such sample, he scored 31* of 250 strike rate almost.

Take his overall career into consideration and those stats are excellent for all rounders in T20s.
 
Yes he can be an asset if he is full fit (fit to bowl) and keeps his mind into his game. Those are the two issues, but I think nobody is bothered about it (coach, management....)

Was he fully fit when he bowled that over yesterday? :inti
 
How? He only bowled one over. That's a pretty small sample. Or else based on such sample, he scored 31* of 250 strike rate almost.

Take his overall career into consideration and those stats are excellent for all rounders in T20s.

Here comes the small sample again which is only used for your favorite players whereas for Iyers, Samsons, Shaws, Sharduls or Chahars this is not the case.

Pandya's overall career just like KL Rahul's test career also suggests that he is not a consistent player. :inti
 
The only thing that's getting exposed is his bowling .

There is a huge difference between bowling in time pass matches of IPL and high quality international cricket matches. He was making a comeback with his bowling and got a phainty from South African batters. Don't think he will repeat that mistake because he is a future ATG. :inti
 
Here comes the small sample again which is only used for your favorite players whereas for Iyers, Samsons, Shaws, Sharduls or Chahars this is not the case.

Pandya's overall career just like KL Rahul's test career also suggests that he is not a consistent player. :inti

Pandya is notch superior to all of them in LOIs. :inti

He is superior to Iyer, Samson as batsman alone.
 
Pandya with a strike rate of 150 and bowling average of 27 is in a league of his own. For comparison, below are stats of another Indian A/R :-

Batting strike rate - 124
Bowling AVG - 27( and that too inflated by minnow bashing)

I think Pandya walks into Indian all time T20 XI.

Haha :)) :inti
 
Pandya with a strike rate of 150 and bowling average of 27 is in a league of his own. For comparison, below are stats of another Indian A/R :-

Batting strike rate - 124
Bowling AVG - 27( and that too inflated by minnow bashing)

I think Pandya walks into Indian all time T20 XI.

Haha :)) :inti

He showed which league he belongs to in the T20 WC. :rabada2 :inti
 
How? He only bowled one over. That's a pretty small sample. Or else based on such sample, he scored 31* of 250 strike rate almost.

Take his overall career into consideration and those stats are excellent for all rounders in T20s.

Pandya is a excellent hitter of the ball however his bowling is filth and unreliable to bowl 3 decent overs.if you consider him as a all rounder then he definitely needs to bowl better.
 
First time captain of the Gujrat Lions team and leads the side to a final and delivering in the final with three wickets including in form Jos Buttler wicket .

Has india found a new future captain in limited overs cricket?

In the entire season I didn't see one captaincy move that stood out. With Dhoni (in his early days) his captaincy calls is what stood out.

Only good thing from Pandya and by extension the team management did was back players. I know a lot of you credit Pandya for backing Miller.

But you need to take one look at GT squad and you'd see they made a massive blunder picking 6 batsmen and 9 bowlers. They literally had no one of same quality as Miller to replace him with.

That being said, if Pandya can bowl and be fit. He is best T20 AR in India currently. He's long way away from making a comeback in longest format and I feel he needs to prove a little more in domestic cricket before coming back to ODIs.

As captain, hell naw. Can't have a player who doesn't even justify a place in the first XI of 1 of the 2 shorter formats.
 
In the entire season I didn't see one captaincy move that stood out. With Dhoni (in his early days) his captaincy calls is what stood out.

Only good thing from Pandya and by extension the team management did was back players. I know a lot of you credit Pandya for backing Miller.

But you need to take one look at GT squad and you'd see they made a massive blunder picking 6 batsmen and 9 bowlers. They literally had no one of same quality as Miller to replace him with.

That being said, if Pandya can bowl and be fit. He is best T20 AR in India currently. He's long way away from making a comeback in longest format and I feel he needs to prove a little more in domestic cricket before coming back to ODIs.

As captain, hell naw. Can't have a player who doesn't even justify a place in the first XI of 1 of the 2 shorter formats.

The squad selection was poor but that was down to the franchise and people who were in the auction.

Pandya been able to win the IPl with such a mediocre team really stands him out as a captain. He understood that picking guys like Vijay Shankar and other bits and pieces middle order is not a solution so he filled that spot by him own and allowed Miller, Tewatia and Rashid to play the finisher role while Gill did the job at top. He was smart in the sense that he didn't compromised with the bowling, still went with five proper bowlers excluding Tewatia and himself. Some other captain would have looked to strengthen batting knowing that Vijay Shankar or Sudarshan or Manohar would have not been a good option at 3 and 4. But Pandya did that role himself and made sure the lower middle order and bowling attack remains their strength as that is key to winning an ICC tournament.
 
The squad selection was poor but that was down to the franchise and people who were in the auction.

Pandya been able to win the IPl with such a mediocre team really stands him out as a captain. He understood that picking guys like Vijay Shankar and other bits and pieces middle order is not a solution so he filled that spot by him own and allowed Miller, Tewatia and Rashid to play the finisher role while Gill did the job at top. He was smart in the sense that he didn't compromised with the bowling, still went with five proper bowlers excluding Tewatia and himself. Some other captain would have looked to strengthen batting knowing that Vijay Shankar or Sudarshan or Manohar would have not been a good option at 3 and 4. But Pandya did that role himself and made sure the lower middle order and bowling attack remains their strength as that is key to winning an ICC tournament.

Lol what mediocre team. Very strong team
Shami
Lockie
Dayal
All good bowlers.
Rashid best spinner

Batting I agree is average though. Bowling wins tournaments provided batting does a decent enough job by putting runs on board.
 
Was he fully fit when he bowled that over yesterday? :inti

I know you have sporadic thinking about building a team. If he was fully fit, he could have developed as a bowler playing all the matches and bowling regularly! He would have been a much better bowler now! It is not about one over or bowling in 1 match. (Any player can go for runs in some random over in T20s! Even it has happened to people like Dale Steyn! What's the big deal in it?)

I know you will go gaga over Vijay Shankar or Sanju Samson or Shardul Thakur or Deepak Chahar when they bowl a fluke spell or play a fluke innings. And you want them to get more matches (distribute the matches between them and others, and give fair chance to everyone! You may be politically correct, but that's not how a team is built!)

I (or all others who back Pandya/Pant) have seen them having that x-factor and that quality to improve further. Yes we have also pointed about their weaknesses/mistakes! In Pandya's case it is fitness and Pant's case it is missing important matches (don't blame IPL for that! The concept of resting came into picture even before the invention of IPL. People like Sachin, Ganguly were already resting against teams like West Indies, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, etc), the way Pant rested himself for home test matches led to to hampering of his growth as a consistent/reliable batsman! Gilchrist used to never rest in home test matches (matches played in Australia!) I don't know whose idea this is! Shastri the boozer may have done some good to these guys, but he also inflicted laziness into them... I have explained about this issue in detail which posters appreciated here!

I know what your team to be full of fake-players like Samson, Vijay Shankar, Sanjay Bangar (the reliable opener in 90s), Dinesh Karthik, etc. Opposition team will be so delighted to see these non-threatening players in front of them, and they will be extremely confident even before the beginning of the game!
 
Lol what mediocre team. Very strong team
Shami
Lockie
Dayal
All good bowlers.
Rashid best spinner

Batting I agree is average though. Bowling wins tournaments provided batting does a decent enough job by putting runs on board.

That's a ok bowling attack.
 
I know you have sporadic thinking about building a team. If he was fully fit, he could have developed as a bowler playing all the matches and bowling regularly! He would have been a much better bowler now! It is not about one over or bowling in 1 match. (Any player can go for runs in some random over in T20s! Even it has happened to people like Dale Steyn! What's the big deal in it?)

I know you will go gaga over Vijay Shankar or Sanju Samson or Shardul Thakur or Deepak Chahar when they bowl a fluke spell or play a fluke innings. And you want them to get more matches (distribute the matches between them and others, and give fair chance to everyone! You may be politically correct, but that's not how a team is built!)

I (or all others who back Pandya/Pant) have seen them having that x-factor and that quality to improve further. Yes we have also pointed about their weaknesses/mistakes! In Pandya's case it is fitness and Pant's case it is missing important matches (don't blame IPL for that! The concept of resting came into picture even before the invention of IPL. People like Sachin, Ganguly were already resting against teams like West Indies, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, etc), the way Pant rested himself for home test matches led to to hampering of his growth as a consistent/reliable batsman! Gilchrist used to never rest in home test matches (matches played in Australia!) I don't know whose idea this is! Shastri the boozer may have done some good to these guys, but he also inflicted laziness into them... I have explained about this issue in detail which posters appreciated here!

I know what your team to be full of fake-players like Samson, Vijay Shankar, Sanjay Bangar (the reliable opener in 90s), Dinesh Karthik, etc. Opposition team will be so delighted to see these non-threatening players in front of them, and they will be extremely confident even before the beginning of the game!

I know what your team would be, I know you will go gaga over him, I know you have this and that blah blah blah. Calm down. You are assuming too much about me here. :91:

I asked you a simple question is Pandya fully fit to bowl now? Answer it in yes or no. :inti
 
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I know what your team would be, I know you will go gaga over him, I know you have this and that blah blah blah. Calm down. You are assuming too much about me here. :91:

I asked you a simple question is Pandya fully fit to bowl now? Answer it in yes or no. :inti

I would play deepak thakur and kuldeep myself. Maybe bumrah and umran as main bowlers. I think that's a good team. Good depth in batting and bowling. Pandya can only bowl 4 overs.
 
I know what your team would be, I know you will go gaga over him, I know you have this and that blah blah blah. Calm down. You are assuming too much about me here. :91:

I asked you a simple question is Pandya fully fit to bowl now? Answer it in yes or no. :inti

I would play deepak thakur and kuldeep myself. Maybe bumrah and umran as main bowlers. I think that's a good team. Good depth in batting and bowling. Pandya can only bowl 4 overs.
 
I would play deepak thakur and kuldeep myself. Maybe bumrah and umran as main bowlers. I think that's a good team. Good depth in batting and bowling. Pandya can only bowl 4 overs.

Thakur is a bad bowler. If you have Deepak Chahar, then don't pick him. Go with Harshal, he is like Bravo, a death over specialist.

Deepak Chahar (new bowl bowler) at 7,
Harshal Patel ( death over specialist) at 8,
Bumrah( new bowl and death overs) and
Shami ( new bowl bowler)/ Umran( extra pace bringing the x-factor)
Yuzi/kuldeep(one spinner)
 
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Gavaskar ws full of praise for Hardik Pandya, who recently capped off an impressive season in IPL 2022, both as an all-rounder and as a captain. And his superb all-round ability was rewarded with a place in the Indian team for the first time since the 2021 T20 World Cup.

Speaking to Star Sports after India's match against South Africa in the first T20I earlier this week, Gavaskar opined that Hardik will be the game change for India in all the T20I matches in the foreseeable future and that he wishes to see the all-rounder take the new ball as well at times.

"I think he is going to be the game-changer for India, more often than not, in all the matches that are due to come, not just the World Cup but every single match that India plays, whether he bats at No. 5, whether he comes into bowl at first change or second change. Sometimes I will actually want to see him with the new ball," he said.

Hardik made a great return to the India XI as she scored an unbeaten 12-ball 31 with the bat and also bowled an over, albeit for 18 runs in the series opener against Temba Bavuma's men at the Arun Jaitley Stadium.

Former South Africa captain Graeme Smith, who was part of the same discussion, was asked if India need Hardik the finisher more than his bowling abilities and he replied saying, "No, I disagree. You need the finisher as well but I think the all-round package of Hardik Pandya gives India options in selection."

"It might give you the option of playing the extra spinner or a bowler less and strengthen your batting and going into the World Cup, I think having him as a full-blown all-rounder is key to the balance of India's team," he added.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...changer-in-t20-world-cup-101654944631377.html
 
It seems he is fully fit because he has bowled in both the matches and got a phainty as well. :inti

Fully fit and get rhythm going... Even Bumrah goes for a phainty after getting back from injury and if he has no match practice. Batsmen too fail to concentrate after missing out some matches... First of all you don't know abc of cricket. You think it is a magical number game and they all are robots...

If Pandya cannot maintain fitness and if he cannot do the role we wish to do him, then by all means he can be thrown out of the team and another eligible candidate can be brought in, I have no issues! But the question is, are there any others who can do that role? It is a rare breed (fast/medium pace alrounder). We are not like SENA to keep producing such players (In fact even Australia find difficulty in producing such alrounders)

So if we find one with potential it is very important to back him and nurture him carefully! We (some people) see that potential in Pandya and we see only "fitness" which is hampering his growth! You will soon find out Chahar, Thakur or anybody will fail at this... We saw in recent past that "Irfan Pathan" had this potential and eventually he didn't fulfill it completely, we had hopes with him as well... So we are desperate that Pandya reaches at least 50-75% of Kapil Dev which is very good for our team... If he too fails, then its our bad luck and we will move on. But it is important to try...

South Africa in 90s for e.g., were such a potent team because they had spin bowling alrounders (which is very difficult for them to find in their country) like Nicky Boje, Pat Symcox, etc (and that's why they won test series in sub-continent including India in that period). For that matter we haven't produced proper spin-bowling alrounders too (Jadeja, Ashwin are the best we have in our entire history!) Sri Lanka, Bangladesh surprisingly have/had better alrounders than us! It is very important to have such players in the team (at least in LOIs, tests can still be won with proper specialists!)

As for as your simple question... Is he fully fit or not? I don't know! He is bowling, yes he maybe fit, but he can breakdown any time. If he is getting selected just for his batting/fielding, then it shows how poorly we are selecting/utilizing players in the team (extra wicket-keepers like Dinesh Kartik, Kishan are playing... we don't have a settled team at the moment!)
 
Fully fit and get rhythm going... Even Bumrah goes for a phainty after getting back from injury and if he has no match practice. Batsmen too fail to concentrate after missing out some matches... First of all you don't know abc of cricket. You think it is a magical number game and they all are robots...

If Pandya cannot maintain fitness and if he cannot do the role we wish to do him, then by all means he can be thrown out of the team and another eligible candidate can be brought in, I have no issues! But the question is, are there any others who can do that role? It is a rare breed (fast/medium pace alrounder). We are not like SENA to keep producing such players (In fact even Australia find difficulty in producing such alrounders)

So if we find one with potential it is very important to back him and nurture him carefully! We (some people) see that potential in Pandya and we see only "fitness" which is hampering his growth! You will soon find out Chahar, Thakur or anybody will fail at this... We saw in recent past that "Irfan Pathan" had this potential and eventually he didn't fulfill it completely, we had hopes with him as well... So we are desperate that Pandya reaches at least 50-75% of Kapil Dev which is very good for our team... If he too fails, then its our bad luck and we will move on. But it is important to try...

South Africa in 90s for e.g., were such a potent team because they had spin bowling alrounders (which is very difficult for them to find in their country) like Nicky Boje, Pat Symcox, etc (and that's why they won test series in sub-continent including India in that period). For that matter we haven't produced proper spin-bowling alrounders too (Jadeja, Ashwin are the best we have in our entire history!) Sri Lanka, Bangladesh surprisingly have/had better alrounders than us! It is very important to have such players in the team (at least in LOIs, tests can still be won with proper specialists!)

As for as your simple question... Is he fully fit or not? I don't know! He is bowling, yes he maybe fit, but he can breakdown any time. If he is getting selected just for his batting/fielding, then it shows how poorly we are selecting/utilizing players in the team (extra wicket-keepers like Dinesh Kartik, Kishan are playing... we don't have a settled team at the moment!)

If I don't know abc of cricket then don't waste your time writing these lengthy posts here. I keep asking you to not assume things about me or not get personal with me. Just because I don't agree with your opinions on Hardik Pandya you have got the right to assume so many things about him. Are you Pandya's aunt/uncle or what? Why can't I criticise him? Pandya is an overhyped player and if he doesn't bowl properly he should be thrown out of this team. I think even you agreed to that part so just cut the cr@p and move on. :inti
 
I can imagine Hardik Pandya saying after winning IPLs in next couple of years- “ I have achieved everything I wanted to” ..
 
Hardik Pandya, who has enjoyed a golden run of form, reveals MS Dhoni's advice early on in his career which has helped him become a better player.

Pandya has recently made a comeback into the India squad during the T20I series against South Africa, making some vital contributions. His inclusion came on the back of a sensational IPL with the Gujarat Titans, where he proved his form and fitness, leading them to the title. Pandya scored 487 runs in the IPL while also chipping in with 8 wickets.

The most impressive aspect of his game though was his leadership abilities, which has led him to being named the Indian captain for the two-match T20I series against Ireland later this month.

Pandya has been in good form during the ongoing five-match series, scoring 117 runs at a strike rate of 153.94, averaging 58.50 in four matches so far. His partnership with Dinesh Karthik was crucial in India's competitive total during the fourth T20I in Rajkot, which helped them level the series 2-2.

Speaking with Dinesh Karthik after the game on BCCI.tv, Pandya spoke the mindset he adapts while walking out to bat. "For me, genuinely nothing changes because I play (according to the) situation, I play the symbol which is there on my chest. The only thing which I obviously want to get better with time is how smoothly and frequently I keep doing the things I did for Gujarat Titans and for India."

Pandya also revealed one simple piece of advice from MS Dhoni, which has helped him tremendously in his career so far, when it comes to batting for his side. "Early in my days, Mahi Bhai taught me one thing. I asked him how do you get away from pressure and everything. And he gave me very simple advice, ‘Stop thinking about your score and start to think of what your team requires’. So, that lesson has stuck in my mind and has helped me become the player that I’m, to play under any situation," Pandya added.

Pandya was also full of praise for Karthik, who has made a stunning comeback in the side, calling him an 'inspiration'. Pandya stated, "I need to tell you this, genuinely I want to tell you this, you have given a lot of inspiration to many guys in their life. I remember the conversation you were having when you were not in the scheme of things, a lot of people counted you out."

The series decider between India and South Africa will be played in Bengaluru on 19 June.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/2649030
 
Hardik Pandya :-

Tests - 5/10( assuming he doesn't bowl), if he bowls then 7.5/10

ODIs - 8/10

T20Is - 9/10

:inti
 
He has been amazing since I started supporting him, which was when he was at his lowest during the Sri Lanka away series last year.
 
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