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Hardik Pandya vs Faheem Ashraf

Ellipsism said:
While I don’t agree with [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] ‘s assessment on Faheem (he clearly hasn’t seen much of his batting at the domestic level). I am starting to question his role in the side. His bowling isn’t great, and he’s primarily been selected due to his batting. Considering this why is he batting at #8? Bat him in the top 7 or simply don’t play him.
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I think the team management don't mind giving him some time to settle in because of Shadab's performances down the order with the bat. With the ball, he has been OK whereas someone like Raees (people had higher expectations of him) struggled along with Hasan who had a poor series.

ads101 said:
Both are in danger of losing their places now. Fahim had a poor NZ series, and if Imad recovers from injury good chance he'll take back his place.
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Faheem had a poor NZ series with the bat but looked better than the other pacers (though that is partly due to the front-line pacers' own struggles). The team management has given a long rope to every new player they have tried. The same will happen with Faheem. He's just played 8 ODIs so far.
 
Pyanda’s batting skills are one dimensional, he cannot wack seamers, which will be his main rule coming in last 10 overs. His main skill is to go after spinners, which nobody is going to give him. His and Fahim rose and fall Soley depends upon how well they play fast bowlers, and it’s not knocking around but bash them. So far both are no there yet. Fahim has good pull but he needs better coaching to make it at this level and also better shot selection.

A Desi down order (or up) batsman who can dominate seamer is worth more than gold, like Segwag, Razaq. I don’t see these guys at that level, can they get there?

India is seriously lacking modern day power hitter, today is another example, they could not utilize good start. Dhoni and Pyanda are not going to cut. There is no point of playing Rahane either. This is a major issue, if I was in india’s Camp, rest is pretty rounded team.
 
Finisher said:
No one wrote Stokes off, the potential Stokes had everyone knew of it when he was playing just county Cricket.
Pandya seems to be the kind of player who come's to the party when his teams 100/5 and not when the match is in balance and he has to think his innings out.
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Check posts from 2014. PPers wrote him off as a bits and pieces cricketer and a pretender after a string of ducks. Not everyone was aware of his exploits in County cricket.
 
Ellipsism said:
I can’t seem to fathom as to why Pakistani fans are so keen on degrading Pandya to the extent to where they have started to label him a club cricketer. Club cricketers don’t score 90 odd against high quality attacks in test cricket. All-rounders do generally take longer to develop, but Pandya has already exhibited skills that would make any neutral cricket fan excited.

While I don’t agree with [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] ‘s assessment on Faheem (he clearly hasn’t seen much of his batting at the domestic level). I am starting to question his role in the side. His bowling isn’t great, and he’s primarily been selected due to his batting. Considering this why is he batting at #8? Bat him in the top 7 or simply don’t play him.
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Fahim is a good hitter but he doesn't seem to have a semblance of batting intelligence. I am not hopeful because Pakistan is probably the worst cricket nation when it comes to developing batsmen, so it will take a miracle for Fahim to evolve.

Ultimately, it is his batting that will decide his future. Our stocks are low but even we would not take long to produce a better bowler than him. Pakistan needs his batting far more than his ordinary bowling.
 
Usman Chadda said:
If Pandya was a Pakistani, fans on this forum would want Pandya to succeed. Not sure what you're trying to prove here? I haven't dissed either in this thread, so you can ask this question to someone who has dissed Pandya or yourself who has (and probably will, if Pandya remains inconsistent) dissed Faheem Ashraf consistently. My view point has been the same throughout.

There is a big difference between Pandya and Faheem as batsmen. There is a big difference between Pandya and Faheem as bowlers. Wait for either to have 2 years in international cricket, then judge and compare. Pandya has had close to two years of international cricket so far, while Faheem's career is in its infancy. You just cannot say one is much better than the other. On potential however, one is much better than the other in either batting or bowling. Lets see how their careers pan out.
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I do not have a problem with people wanting Fahim to succeed and Pandya to fail. However, that does not mean that we should be biased and dishonest with ourselves. The whole world knows for a fact that Pandya is a much better cricketer than Fahim, except for *surprise* a small section of Pakistani fans on a Pakistani forum.

Secondly, there is not a big difference between Fahim and Pandya as far as bowling is concerned. They are pretty much equal, but Pandya is far ahead when it comes to batting and fielding. Even if Fahim is marginally better with the ball, the gulf between them in other aspects is too big for his marginally better bowling to make a difference.

Thirdly, there is no need of waiting for two years because Pandya is already well ahead of Fahim. He has made a name in international cricket already, while Fahim is a nobody at this point. This statement of waiting for two years and then judging them would have had merit if both players would have been at the same footing at this point.

However, they are not. Pandya has proved to be a good player and Fahim has not proved anything so far. Hence, the onus is on Fahim to catch up with Pandya and achieve parity. If or when he does that, this comparison will have any legs. For now, it is a ridiculous comparison borne out of bias and bitterness.

The fact that Fahim is in the infancy of his career does not justify this comparison. It is like comparing Shaheen Afridi and Bumrah and then stating that we should wait for x number of years before deciding who is better.

No, Bumrah is already an established bowler but Shaheen still has to prove himself. If he does to the same extent as Bumrah, then it will be sensible to compare them.

Similarly, Pandya has played some high quality knocks that Fahim will probably struggle to match throughout his career. However, if he does that, there will be absolutely no problem in comparing the two.

The reason why Pandya has been hyped so much in the last 6-7 months is because no young all-rounder since Stokes has produced the type of performances that he has. He took the cricket world by storm during the latter half of 2017.
 
This is a trend on PakPassion and this is what happens most of the time in the end :-

Indian Batsman vs Pakistani Batsman comparison threads : Winner Indian Batsman

Indian Bowler vs Pakistani Bowler comparison threads : Winner Pakistani Bowler

Indian Allrounder vs Pakistani Allrounder comparison threads : Winner Pakistani Allrounder
 
If some neutral looks at this thread without knowing a thing about Fahim and Pandya, he or she would assume that we are talking about two young all-rounders who are neck and neck at the moment and there is some rivalry between the two.

However, when he or she looks at the performances these two players have put for their respective sides, he or she would probably want this thread moved to the Lame Jokes section.
 
Mamoon said:
I do not have a problem with people wanting Fahim to succeed and Pandya to fail. However, that does not mean that we should be biased and dishonest with ourselves. The whole world knows for a fact that Pandya is a much better cricketer than Fahim, except for *surprise* a small section of Pakistani fans on a Pakistani forum.

Secondly, there is not a big difference between Fahim and Pandya as far as bowling is concerned. They are pretty much equal, but Pandya is far ahead when it comes to batting and fielding. Even if Fahim is marginally better with the ball, the gulf between them in other aspects is too big for his marginally better bowling to make a difference.

Thirdly, there is no need of waiting for two years because Pandya is already well ahead of Fahim. He has made a name in international cricket already, while Fahim is a nobody at this point. This statement of waiting for two years and then judging them would have had merit if both players would have been at the same footing at this point.

However, they are not. Pandya has proved to be a good player and Fahim has not proved anything so far. Hence, the onus is on Fahim to catch up with Pandya and achieve parity. If or when he does that, this comparison will have any legs. For now, it is a ridiculous comparison borne out of bias and bitterness.

The fact that Fahim is in the infancy of his career does not justify this comparison. It is like comparing Shaheen Afridi and Bumrah and then stating that we should wait for x number of years before deciding who is better.

No, Bumrah is already an established bowler but Shaheen still has to prove himself. If he does to the same extent as Bumrah, then it will be sensible to compare them.

Similarly, Pandya has played some high quality knocks that Fahim will probably struggle to match throughout his career. However, if he does that, there will be absolutely no problem in comparing the two.

The reason why Pandya has been hyped so much in the last 6-7 months is because no young all-rounder since Stokes has produced the type of performances that he has. He took the cricket world by storm during the latter half of 2017.
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I'm sorry but a batting average of 13 and a bowling average of 147 in the current series is not good enough for an accomplished cricketer.

Please stop insulting Stokes by comparing a nobody like Pandya to him. I'm not even replying to this aspect of your post, but please just stop with this lame comparison. Pandya is so exciting that Indian fans are bashing him consistently on social media for being unrealiable and pundits are skeptical of his talent on talk shows.
 
Mamoon said:
If some neutral looks at this thread without knowing a thing about Fahim and Pandya, he or she would assume that we are talking about two young all-rounders who are neck and neck at the moment and there is some rivalry between the two.

However, when he or she looks at the performances these two players have put for their respective sides, he or she would probably want this thread moved to the Lame Jokes section.
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To be honest, both are not good enough to deserve a thread that should reach 12th page. To me, an all-rounder should be judged by his bowling, unless he is at Sobers or Kallis level with bat. Even for Stokes, if you had noticed, more than his 254, it was his bowling development that brought him in lime light as all-rounder and for the same reason, no one actually gives Watson much value as all-rounder, neither Mitch Marsh. There are players like Sohail, Shastri, Mushtaq Md., Pataudi, Asif Iqbal, Mazid, Peter May, RB Simpson, even Greg Chappell ... who were accomplished bowlers, but hardly anyone calls them all-rounder.

In that regard, both are quite ordinary to be honest. Pandeya is no where close to Kapil with bat, not even remote chance of that - he plays spin well like most Indians and swings bat in desperate situations - that's not batting at all for an All-rounder to bat at 6 or even 7, while his bowling is fading away fast. Same way, not sure why PAK posters hype Fahim so much - he is no Razzak with bat or ball, not even Mahmood. After all the hype his SR is 90 or so in ODI & 110 in T20 (& I am not going to average), while his bowling is bang average - unless he improves bowling significantly, within a year or two he'll lose his spot in PAK team, but so'll be Pandeya from IND team, who doesn't play bits & pieces cricketer much - Stuart Binny also looked promising at start.
 
Mamoon said:
Fahim is a good hitter but he doesn't seem to have a semblance of batting intelligence. I am not hopeful because Pakistan is probably the worst cricket nation when it comes to developing batsmen, so it will take a miracle for Fahim to evolve.

Ultimately, it is his batting that will decide his future. Our stocks are low but even we would not take long to produce a better bowler than him. Pakistan needs his batting far more than his ordinary bowling.
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He normally comes in when there is no time to settle and all he simply has to do is slog from ball one. Not a time your going to see a batsman displaying any sort of intelligence, it’s simply see ball-hit ball. And this is what sparks my initial comment, he’s clearly been selected due to his batting but Mickey and co. aren’t grooming him as a batsman by sending him in only when the situation demands someone blindly slogging. If the management are trying to groom him into a specialist late order slogger they are much better off investing in a superior bowler.

We already have a plethora of bowlers better than Faheem, heck all three of our u-19 pacers are better.
 
Ellipsism said:
He normally comes in when there is no time to settle and all he simply has to do is slog from ball one. Not a time your going to see a batsman displaying any sort of intelligence, it’s simply see ball-hit ball. And this is what sparks my initial comment, he’s clearly been selected due to his batting but Mickey and co. aren’t grooming him as a batsman by sending him in only when the situation demands someone blindly slogging. If the management are trying to groom him into a specialist late order slogger they are much better off investing in a superior bowler.

We already have a plethora of bowlers better than Faheem, heck all three of our u-19 pacers are better.
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He's not so bad as a bowler. Not sure why is being ripped apart here. Was our best pacer in New Zealand over both formats, even though his figures don't show it. Has pace and the ability to move the ball in off the seam consistently. Gets a few to hold the line too. Needs to work on the length and he will definitely become a very good bowler.
 
Usman Chadda said:
He's not so bad as a bowler. Not sure why is being ripped apart here. Was our best pacer in New Zealand over both formats, even though his figures don't show it. Has pace and the ability to move the ball in off the seam consistently. Gets a few to hold the line too. Needs to work on the length and he will definitely become a very good bowler.
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He doesn’t make the side even as the fifth bowler in the squad. He’s one dimensional as a bowler, back of the length on a fifth stump line at 135 kph is all it seems he is capable of doing.
 
A comparison of two nobodies.

Hardik = a nobody, despite playing into the headlines occasionally
Faheem = a literal nobody, because casual followers of Pak cricket won't know who he is other than from some tweets we see in that Tweets thread.
 
Mamoon said:
Shadab and Fakhar may have bowled long hops but that was some of the cleanest ball striking I have seen. I don’t envision many batsmen striking the ball like that in a similar situation. I won’t be wrong in saying that for a brief moment, he had everyone in Pakistan nervous.

Nonetheless, a bowler playing a knock like that is obviously going to create less buzz, especially when the bowler is no spring chicken and there is no hope of him becoming an all-rounder. However, for Pandya, that was the moment where he announced himself and he backed it up with some outstanding innings over the next few months.

It is disappointing but people are dishonest about him. The reaction would have been completely the opposite if he was Pakistani and Fahim was Indian.
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Reaction may have been opposite if Pandya was Pakistani but that wouldn't have made Pandya any better of a cricketer either.

It's fine to say that Pandya is much more accomplished than Faheem and likely will end up as a better player.

However the claims you are making are further than that. You are putting him in the league of elite all rounders which he is not at the moment and is unlikely to scale at any point of his career for a consistent enough period.

His bowling has decent pace but not much more. Very reminiscent of Bilawal Bhatti actually. His hitting abilities are insane but overall he is limited.

Due to his attitude he will end up being a vital component and contribute to India but it's a joke to put him in the league of elite all rounders which is what you want to do and why you are primarily getting so much flak.
 
MMHS said:
To be honest, both are not good enough to deserve a thread that should reach 12th page. To me, an all-rounder should be judged by his bowling, unless he is at Sobers or Kallis level with bat. Even for Stokes, if you had noticed, more than his 254, it was his bowling development that brought him in lime light as all-rounder and for the same reason, no one actually gives Watson much value as all-rounder, neither Mitch Marsh. There are players like Sohail, Shastri, Mushtaq Md., Pataudi, Asif Iqbal, Mazid, Peter May, RB Simpson, even Greg Chappell ... who were accomplished bowlers, but hardly anyone calls them all-rounder.

In that regard, both are quite ordinary to be honest. Pandeya is no where close to Kapil with bat, not even remote chance of that - he plays spin well like most Indians and swings bat in desperate situations - that's not batting at all for an All-rounder to bat at 6 or even 7, while his bowling is fading away fast. Same way, not sure why PAK posters hype Fahim so much - he is no Razzak with bat or ball, not even Mahmood. After all the hype his SR is 90 or so in ODI & 110 in T20 (& I am not going to average), while his bowling is bang average - unless he improves bowling significantly, within a year or two he'll lose his spot in PAK team, but so'll be Pandeya from IND team, who doesn't play bits & pieces cricketer much - Stuart Binny also looked promising at start.
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All rounders take time to develop though don’t they :) ?
 
babajee said:
All rounders take time to develop though don’t they :) ?
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Morning shows the day - it indeed does take time to develop, but each & every top all-rounder in history started career with one strong suit (most cases bowling - even Sobers made the XI first as specialist bowler), then they developed the other one - these two has nothing special to be honest. Besides, you have to make the Test squad if you are to be established as AR (I am not coming from the superiority complex of Test cricket, but that format needs specialization - you have to be among top 6 with bat or 4 with ball, doing both a bit doesn't help) - for Fahim's case I am not sure if he'll play Test for PAK.

I don't see them surviving long in either team.
 
Pandya averaging 8.66 in 5 matches with a SR of 74.28. Remains to be seen if he can improve his average with the ball.
 
For the 2839201th time, Pandya is no match for Faheem.

Faheem has a better hitting technique and a bowling brain. Pandya is a wild hack and spray gun.
 
babajee said:
For the 2839201th time, Pandya is no match for Faheem.

Faheem has a better hitting technique and a bowling brain. Pandya is a wild hack and spray gun.
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Mamoon will not be happy with your comment. How dare u not rate pandya ☺
 
Neither are showing their batting strengths of late. Faheem hasn't shown anything since his cameo v SL in the T20. Pandya hasn't shown anything of note since his 93 v SA in the Tests.

In ODIs Pandya, I feel, has been found out. Faheem has been poor to convert whatever chances he has had.

You'll obviously get an innings where they'll actually bat well. But I don't think it'll last long.
 
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Faheem is nobody till yet. Let him do something. I don't know why this thread bump so much even when faheem has done nothing in international cricket.
 
What a Live wire Pandya is on the field. Simply sublime catching and run out.

Best in the world
 
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Faheem has announced himself to the world yet with a head turning performance. On the other hand Pandya is ultra inconsistent. Let us wait for an year
 
Its really surprising the amount of hate Pandya gets on this forum. I understand the hate from [MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] - because Pandya emerged in the IPL and he has some agenda against the IPL. When I counter his statements with facts, he response is anecdotal.

But from others, its shocking! Without a shadow of doubt he has been disappointing with the bat in the last 2 series, but people dont realise the risk reward situation here.

The risk of Pandya is a slightly weaker MO, and a few more runs leaked in the middle overs. But the upside is unbelievable. If Pandya has a good series, India will generally do well in that series. He needs to be allowed to develop in LOIs.
 
Sidilicious said:
Its really surprising the amount of hate Pandya gets on this forum. I understand the hate from [MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION] - because Pandya emerged in the IPL and he has some agenda against the IPL. When I counter his statements with facts, he response is anecdotal.

But from others, its shocking! Without a shadow of doubt he has been disappointing with the bat in the last 2 series, but people dont realise the risk reward situation here.

The risk of Pandya is a slightly weaker MO, and a few more runs leaked in the middle overs. But the upside is unbelievable. If Pandya has a good series, India will generally do well in that series. He needs to be allowed to develop in LOIs.
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His bowling is not gonna better,today he got wickets but he does not inspire confidence when he is bowling,batting can definitely improve.atm pandya and fahim both are below average,in fact fahim is nothing.
 
Ashraf has done nothing to be called better than Pandya so far. That is a fact. It might change in the future, but as things stand Pandya is better than Ashraf.

Both have similar ODI bowling stats, but Pandya's batting stats way better than Ashraf's.

In T20, Ashraf has done better, but you cannot call a player better overall, based on T20 stats.
 
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His bowling is not gonna better,today he got wickets but he does not inspire confidence when he is bowling,batting can definitely improve.atm pandya and fahim both are below average,in fact fahim is nothing.
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Thing is Pandya has improved his bowling considerably since he debuted for India 2 years back. But I agree, as a bowler he will not improve that much. On flat wickets he will be hammered, but he will be handful on non flat wickets because of his cutters and slower ones. Does need to improve his batting.

Whatever comments I make on Ashraf will be based on his stats and not on his performance as I have not seen him play.
 
Sidilicious said:
Ashraf has done nothing to be called better than Pandya so far. That is a fact. It might change in the future, but as things stand Pandya is better than Ashraf.

Both have similar ODI bowling stats, but Pandya's batting stats way better than Ashraf's.

In T20, Ashraf has done better, but you cannot call a player better overall, based on T20 stats.
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Have a look at my posts in this thread, nowhere have I called either a better player than the other. Indians and pseudo-Pakistanis are taking it as an insult if Ashraf is compared to Pandya when Pandya is not some world-class all-rounder who is on another level. Both are new and should be given time to develop. Pandya has played three times the amount of matches Ashraf has played so far, and I believe he is a much better batsman than Ashraf while Ashraf is a better bowler. But to ridicule Fahim Ashraf like he's some railu katta and call him a nobody, when he has a hat-trick already in a T20 match no less.

I have an issue with disrespecting either as they are international players. You don't call an international player a nobody to dismiss the discussion.
 
Faheem is a superstar after taking one hat-trick and 60 against bd in warm up match. He done nothing till now, it is fact.whether anyone agree or not
 
This Pandya dude won this game here for Indians to be honest.
 
Sidilicious said:
Thing is Pandya has improved his bowling considerably since he debuted for India 2 years back. But I agree, as a bowler he will not improve that much. On flat wickets he will be hammered, but he will be handful on non flat wickets because of his cutters and slower ones. Does need to improve his batting.

Whatever comments I make on Ashraf will be based on his stats and not on his performance as I have not seen him play.
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He i mean Fahim has the potential but potential does not matter if he does not perform thats what i mean.
 
Pandya has unbelievable habit of coming into game by something. He is a special player, if you can't see it. It's your problem. We have to give him time. He played less in first class, so he is still develpoing in every sense. Kohli knows it and he will give him every opportunity till wc'19.
 
Pandya won the game by getting ABD and Duminy with the ball, then had 2 very good catches and the runout of Amla was down to his fielding and speed. He is as mobile in the field as it gets. Very athletic.

Man of the match went to Rohit, but without Pandya in the field and with ball in his hand, SA could have easily won this.
 
It appears that this thread will continue to be bumped since Pakistani forcefully want to establish a comparison between the most exciting young all-rounder since Stokes, and someone who is a nobody at this point.

For the sake of the emotional investment that the said people have made in this thread, I hope that Fahim justifies this comparison one day.
 
Mamoon said:
It appears that this thread will continue to be bumped since Pakistani forcefully want to establish a comparison between the most exciting young all-rounder since Stokes, and someone who is a nobody at this point.

For the sake of the emotional investment that the said people have made in this thread, I hope that Fahim justifies this comparison one day.
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Yes Pakistanis will defend Pakistani players and Indians will defend Indians as it is prevalent in the thread :)[MENTION=1650]Usman Chadda[/MENTION] [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=143344]babajee[/MENTION] [MENTION=144456]bujhee kom[/MENTION]
 
4 overs for 45 runs. Has faheem ever been hit that much in 4 overs? Just asking
 
Joke of a thread. What Pandya has already achieved in his career so far will never be emulated by Ashraf ever.

Man of the Series against Australia in a 5-match ODI series.
Standout performance with both bat and ball in the CT final.
100 in tests in Sri Lanka against Herath.
Great allround performance in his first test in South Africa.

Faheem can only dream of doing above things.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Where's the all rounder in Pandya.

At best he has some batting potential.
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Has taken 39 wickets in 37 matches as fifth bowler. Better bowler than Stokes already. Batting is his stronger suit and has already played a few good innings.
 
AM i missing something

In ODIs Ashraf has made 78 runs in 7 innings, In T20s he has made 32 runs 6 innings. How are we comparing each other. It is another thing Pandya is good or bad. This guy doesn't even qualify to be an all rounder in the first place. Ashwin has 4 test centuries plus lot of decent scores in overseas conditions against god teams. Certainly nobody calls him an all rounder. This thread is pretty meaningless given the skill set of both.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
AM i missing something

In ODIs Ashraf has made 78 runs in 7 innings, In T20s he has made 32 runs 6 innings. How are we comparing each other. It is another thing Pandya is good or bad. This guy doesn't even qualify to be an all rounder in the first place. Ashwin has 4 test centuries plus lot of decent scores in overseas conditions against god teams. Certainly nobody calls him an all rounder. This thread is pretty meaningless given the skill set of both.
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So you are reading obituary of a cricketer who has played a handful of international matches. Funny you didn't mention his bowling.



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lehen said:
Stunning fielding by Pandya!!!!He is putting on a show on the field every game
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Yes he is a very good fielder. But India is looking for an all rounder not a fielder. He can still be the 12th man and used as a substitute fielder. He isn't doing anything in batting and bowling these days.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Yes he is a very good fielder. But India is looking for an all rounder not a fielder. He can still be the 12th man and used as a substitute fielder. He isn't doing anything in batting and bowling these days.
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what do you think of Vijay Shankar or Krunal Pandya in his place? I know Krunal is a spinner, but he atleast looks more talented than his brother. Vijay shankar is a good talent too. Or are there any pace bowling all rounders in the current crop of IPL/domestic teams that can replace Hardik?
 
Tyler Durden said:
what do you think of Vijay Shankar or Krunal Pandya in his place? I know Krunal is a spinner, but he atleast looks more talented than his brother. Vijay shankar is a good talent too. Or are there any pace bowling all rounders in the current crop of IPL/domestic teams that can replace Hardik?
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Haven't seen Krunal Pandya. I would rather play Ashwin instead of Pandya. On Indian/Sub continent pitches Chahal, Kuldeep and Ashwin(if he is still bowling off spin) will eat batting line ups for fun.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Haven't seen Krunal Pandya. I would rather play Ashwin instead of Pandya. On Indian/Sub continent pitches Chahal, Kuldeep and Ashwin(if he is still bowling off spin) will eat batting line ups for fun.
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Oh! That comes as a surprise! Ashwin? Why not Jadeja? just curious. btw! Don't you think we need another pace bowling all-rounder instead of a spinner? Ashwin's contribution in terms of batting in ODIs is very little. your thoughts on this?
 
Ellipsism said:
He’s no ATG talent like your making him out to be, and he currently isn’t even fit to tie Pandya’s shoelaces.
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Bhai you will see. I haven’t seen better hitting technique in my life against genuine pace.
 
Tyler Durden said:
Oh! That comes as a surprise! Ashwin? Why not Jadeja? just curious. btw! Don't you think we need another pace bowling all-rounder instead of a spinner? Ashwin's contribution in terms of batting in ODIs is very little. your thoughts on this?
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Jadeja can't bat to save his life. Ashwin will still contribute more than Pandya. As I said Pandya should be used as a substitute fielder he is not a reliable bowler. We don't have a pace bowling all rounder culture. We only had a grand total of 1 pace bowling all rounder in our history and that was Kapil Dev.
 
babajee said:
Bhai you will see. I haven’t seen better hitting technique in my life against genuine pace.
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I know what he has, he’s technically good enough to bat at 6 or 7 if you’ve got a strong top order, excellent bat swing and has the levers to hit big. Lacks timing and isn’t the smartest with his stroke play. His bowling his average, all three of our u-19 pacers are better. For someone to be crowned an ATG all-rounder they need to make the side both as a bowler and a batsman, Faheem doesn’t fit that bill, and never will.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Jadeja can't bat to save his life. Ashwin will still contribute more than Pandya. As I said Pandya should be used as a substitute fielder he is not a reliable bowler. We don't have a pace bowling all rounder culture. We only had a grand total of 1 pace bowling all rounder in our history and that was Kapil Dev.
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What about Javagal Srinath?
 
Syed1 said:
So you are reading obituary of a cricketer who has played a handful of international matches. Funny you didn't mention his bowling.



Ikhees toppon ki salami aisay loggon ke liyay
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Comparison is about their all round abilities right?
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Jadeja can't bat to save his life. Ashwin will still contribute more than Pandya. As I said Pandya should be used as a substitute fielder he is not a reliable bowler. We don't have a pace bowling all rounder culture. We only had a grand total of 1 pace bowling all rounder in our history and that was Kapil Dev.
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Okay! I understand! But as a package, I would rate Jadeja as a better option than Ashwin in ODIs. Yes! Ashwin is better in tests though. This is just my perspective btw! Agree with you about the pace bowling all rounder culture! Had high hopes on this guy Pandya. But he is only turning into a big disappointment by the day. Irfan pathan as an allrounder looked much better than this hack. Don't you rate Robin Singh too?
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Comparison is about their all round abilities right?
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So you agree that Ashraf is a better bowler, while Pandya is a better batsman? Last time I checked bowling also falls under alrounder abilities.
 
Ellipsism said:
I know what he has, he’s technically good enough to bat at 6 or 7 if you’ve got a strong top order, excellent bat swing and has the levers to hit big. Lacks timing and isn’t the smartest with his stroke play. His bowling his average, all three of our u-19 pacers are better. For someone to be crowned an ATG all-rounder they need to make the side both as a bowler and a batsman, Faheem doesn’t fit that bill, and never will.
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What we need from Faheem is something like 30(20) and 2-55(10) on average, and he will be a great player for Pakistan.
 
Irfan Pathan was an all rounder. HE even opened in Tests. But we have an interesting all rounder developing in Bhuvaneswar Kumar. His technique is solid enough to be a decent middle order. Reasonably trustworthy down the order. For Pakistan Hasan Ali can relieve some load of batsmen with his belligerent approach.
 
Tyler Durden said:
what do you think of Vijay Shankar or Krunal Pandya in his place? I know Krunal is a spinner, but he atleast looks more talented than his brother. Vijay shankar is a good talent too. Or are there any pace bowling all rounders in the current crop of IPL/domestic teams that can replace Hardik?
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I think himanshu Rana is their and he is young
 
Pandya emulating Anwar Ali nowadays with his mediocrity with the bat and ball but excellent fielding.
 
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