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Hardik Pandya vs Faheem Ashraf

One thing everyone can agree on is that Pandya has been/is regressing. Combined with the superstar attitude ....
 
Bleedgreen4ever said:
That innings may be good but at the end of the day it was not impactful

If Faheem's innings can make Pakistan win from here in such swinging conditions I will take this innings over that one.

Plus Faheem has way way better FC stats than Pandya who has been the most overrated player I have seen from India.
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Dude, you are playing Ireland, a team playing their first ever Test!:uakmal Not SA or Australia. It is not Pandya's fault that your top order batsmen are so bad. Come back to me when he scores against some top level bowling attack in Tests.
 
So a half century against a club level attack and faheem brigade again started jumping up n down..the same people drawn many filter to put down pandyas epic knock against SL and SA..
 
Peshwa said:
So a half century against a club level attack and faheem brigade again started jumping up n down..the same people drawn many filter to put down pandyas epic knock against SL and SA..
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Pandya's knocks are mostly useless and less impactful

His FC and List A stats are worse than Afridi.Faheem as a bowler alone is better than the AR Pandya.
 
Dingolfy said:
Dude, you are playing Ireland, a team playing their first ever Test!:uakmal Not SA or Australia. It is not Pandya's fault that your top order batsmen are so bad. Come back to me when he scores against some top level bowling attack in Tests.
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Come back to me when Pandya makes India win a match for change thats what great AR do like IK,Kapil,Botham etc.
 
Some Pakistanis need to chill and give some respect to Pandya. He's not a world beater but he's not some club level player either.
 
Bleedgreen4ever said:
Come back to me when Pandya makes India win a match for change thats what great AR do like IK,Kapil,Botham etc.
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Here, the comparison is against Faheem nor Imran or Kapil or Botham.:ma And he has a test century against same Lankans at their home who blanked you guys in your adopted home for 2-0.He was Man of the Series in the Australian Series too.
 
Bleedgreen4ever said:
Pandya's knocks are mostly useless and less impactful

His FC and List A stats are worse than Afridi.Faheem as a bowler alone is better than the AR Pandya.
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Look at how your domestic heroes are struggling against trundlers who are playing their first test!:wahab2 His international exploits rank way greater than any of domestic records. 90 against SA at their home and a century against Lankans at their home >>>>> 50 against some newbie trundlers playing their first test.
 
So runs against Ireland attack is better than against Sa's attack. Some people has no limit of delusion and insecurity. It is not mistake of pandya that your team is in trouble against Ireland, So faheem has to score so called impact runs..
 
Bleedgreen4ever said:
Pandya's knocks are mostly useless and less impactful

His FC and List A stats are worse than Afridi.Faheem as a bowler alone is better than the AR Pandya.
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Pandya as a fielder alone better than faheem
Bowling at par and miles ahead in batting...
 
babajee said:
I’m sure he would have gotten more respect if he wasn’t hyped up so much...
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If Pandya is hyped then Faheem Superstar Trundler with not a single match winning performance against top team is astonishingly Super Overhyped..

Actually Pakistanis cannot digest the fact that India got a better all rounder than most of ther half bit n piece so called AR like faheem who is neither a good batsman nor a consistent bowler..

Hardik Pandya is a raw talent and its funny to see how ppers jumping on his every failure and go into hiding or using n numbers of filters to put down his performances that to when he performed against top teams
 
If fahim have failed against ireland same indian fans would have bump this thread to critize him .he played a very good knock because pakistan was 150/6 and was in huge trouble to bowled out quickly on difficuilt pitch
 
Faheem has potential and so has pandya. We can compare after few years. They both can turn out to be fine ARs
 
Really sad to see so many immature posts, by immature people.

Yes, Faheem did well, but Pandya also scored well. Why doesn't Pandya's runs count?

Both are good potential wise but as I said earlier in other threads, we'll get to know where they stand only at the 19 WC.

Also, if u ask me personally, Faheem is a better bowler, and Pandya a better batsmen.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
15 pages comparing two mediocre players lol Come on they are no Tendulkar/Lara/ABDV/Kohli.
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Ya jus like legendary Akmal and Kohli thread
and we all know wat happned after that
And I thnk 3-4 years down the line ths thread gonna end the same way...
 
saeed5646 said:
If fahim have failed against ireland same indian fans would have bump this thread to critize him .he played a very good knock because pakistan was 150/6 and was in huge trouble to bowled out quickly on difficuilt pitch
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The thing is that Indians bump ths thread only when fahim failed miserably
On the other hand Pakistani bump ths thread to criticised pandya evn if he performed good by using many filters like how his inning or runs less impactfull or he only hit big against spinners etc etc
 
[MENTION=143972]Bleedgreen4ever[/MENTION]

You cannot judge the impact of an individual performance in Test cricket by the outcome of the match. Tests are not ODIs and T20s - one innings or one spell rarely determine the outcome of the match, since they are so many variables and so many other factors over the 5 days and 15 sessions that influence the result of the match.

Pandya's innings against South Africa was impactful by any means. He came to the crease when India were reeling at 92/7 in reply to South Africa's 286, on a difficult wicket against a phenomenally good bowling attack of Steyn, Rabada, Philander and Morkel. Furthermore, all of India's main batsmen were back in the pavilion.

His counter-attacking 92 with the tail took India to a 200+ total, preventing them from collapsing to 100 all-out, and provided them with an opportunity to turn the game around. Following his innings, both South Africa (3rd innings) and India (4th innings) were dismissed for a sub 130 score, which signified the value of his knock.

Without him, South Africa would have massacred India and the game would not have gone to the last session. That was the impact of his innings.

Fahim has played a good innings here, but you cannot compare it to Pandya's innings. The Irish bowling attack is rubbish, and the conditions are actually quite decent for batting. The only reason why we found ourselves in a spot of bother was because the rubbish Pakistani batsmen were up to their usual rubbish.

Any good batting unit would have piled up a good score against this nonsense bowling attack without much trouble.

Fahim might turn out to be a good player for Pakistan, but there is no need of forcing this comparison with Pandya down our throats; it makes our fans look extremely desperate.

So far, Fahim has done nothing in his career to merit a comparison with Pandya. This is his first meaningful knock in international cricket, and it came against Ireland. Pandya took the cricket world by storm last year with several fantastic performances in both ODIs and Tests against good opposition.

During our fluke run in the Champions Trophy, he was the only batsman who was able to get a hold of our bowling, and then he followed it up with a brilliant performance against Australia in ODIs, rescuing India from a 50-5 situation with a counter-attacking 80 in 50 balls, and then scored a 70 in 70 to chase down a total.

He followed with a Test hundred in SL and a 92 against South Africa against the best bowling attack in the world in the most difficult conditions.

He is the most exciting emerging all-rounder in the world, and the last time a young all-rounder made an immediate impact like that was Ben Stokes, who turned out to be a phenomenal cricketer and is now the best all-rounder in the world by a mile.

If Fahim produces the type of performances against good attacks that Pandya has, some of our fans might pass out of excitement, and would dub him the next Sobers. Let him do well against good teams like Pandya has, and this comparison will be justified and our fans can do their bhangra.

Right now, this is a foolish comparison. However, I am simply wasting my time here because you cannot knock sense into people that have green blinkers on.

If the shoe was on the other foot, and Fahim would have been the one to score a 70 in 40 balls in the CT Final against India, score 80 in 50 balls and 70 in 70 balls against Australia, as well as a 92 to rescue Pakistan from 90/7 in South Africa, our fans would roll on the floor at Indians comparing someone like Pandya to him, whose only claim of fame is a half-century/century against Ireland.

The hypocrisy and the bias couldn't be more obvious.

Please note that I am not addressing you at a personal level; the reason why I tagged you was because I wanted to touch on your statement that Pandya's innings against South Africa was of no use and had no impact. My criticism of our supporters is not directed at you.
 
babajee said:
Shadab Khan.
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I would say he is the second most exciting emerging all-rounder after Pandya, but he cannot be compared to him unless he produces the type of knocks that Pandya has in both Tests and ODIs. However, he has certainly done more than Fahim so far.

Those innings against Pakistan, Australia and South Africa put Pandya at a pedestal that Shadab has not been able to reach yet. He has played some decent knocks, but nothing close to what Pandya has produced.

However, we are playing against some big teams in the next 12 months and he has the chance to make an impact.

I am certainly very excited about his development.
 
Both of them have a lot to prove but the way Hardik Pandya has been overhyped it is beyong imagination. Team management also gives him rest as if he bowls like Akhtar and bats like Ponting. He skipped Nidahas Trophy too.

Mediocre players like Pandya should play each and every match and try to improve themselves. No player would have thought of skipping games like these few years ago but thanks to IPL for making these mediocre cricketers rich before they even set foot on the international cricket. They hardly care about playing for India and improving their cricket.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Both of them have a lot to prove but the way Hardik Pandya has been overhyped it is beyong imagination. Team management also gives him rest as if he bowls like Akhtar and bats like Ponting. He skipped Nidahas Trophy too.

Mediocre players like Pandya should play each and every match and try to improve themselves. No player would have thought of skipping games like these few years ago but thanks to IPL for making these mediocre cricketers rich before they even set foot on the international cricket. They hardly care about playing for India and improving their cricket.
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And what about faheem
Do you think he is also overhyped alot by pp hype machine
 
Peshwa said:
And what about faheem
Do you think he is also overhyped alot by pp hype machine
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Not as much as Hardik Pandya. I haven't heard calling Faheem the next best after Imran Khan but I have read some people calling Panday best since Kapil Dev. He hasn't reached Robin Singh's level yet who himself was a pretty good fielder.

Pandya is overhyped by not only fans but also the team management and selectors. Players like Rahul get limited opportunities and are discarded after just few failures. But guys like Pandya keeps getting chances after chances even after giving poor performances. On top of that he also gets rested during international series.
 
Mamoon said:
[MENTION=143972]Bleedgreen4ever[/MENTION]

You cannot judge the impact of an individual performance in Test cricket by the outcome of the match. Tests are not ODIs and T20s - one innings or one spell rarely determine the outcome of the match, since they are so many variables and so many other factors over the 5 days and 15 sessions that influence the result of the match.

Pandya's innings against South Africa was impactful by any means. He came to the crease when India were reeling at 92/7 in reply to South Africa's 286, on a difficult wicket against a phenomenally good bowling attack of Steyn, Rabada, Philander and Morkel. Furthermore, all of India's main batsmen were back in the pavilion.

His counter-attacking 92 with the tail took India to a 200+ total, preventing them from collapsing to 100 all-out, and provided them with an opportunity to turn the game around. Following his innings, both South Africa (3rd innings) and India (4th innings) were dismissed for a sub 130 score, which signified the value of his knock.

Without him, South Africa would have massacred India and the game would not have gone to the last session. That was the impact of his innings.

Fahim has played a good innings here, but you cannot compare it to Pandya's innings. The Irish bowling attack is rubbish, and the conditions are actually quite decent for batting. The only reason why we found ourselves in a spot of bother was because the rubbish Pakistani batsmen were up to their usual rubbish.

Any good batting unit would have piled up a good score against this nonsense bowling attack without much trouble.

Fahim might turn out to be a good player for Pakistan, but there is no need of forcing this comparison with Pandya down our throats; it makes our fans look extremely desperate.

So far, Fahim has done nothing in his career to merit a comparison with Pandya. This is his first meaningful knock in international cricket, and it came against Ireland. Pandya took the cricket world by storm last year with several fantastic performances in both ODIs and Tests against good opposition.

During our fluke run in the Champions Trophy, he was the only batsman who was able to get a hold of our bowling, and then he followed it up with a brilliant performance against Australia in ODIs, rescuing India from a 50-5 situation with a counter-attacking 80 in 50 balls, and then scored a 70 in 70 to chase down a total.

He followed with a Test hundred in SL and a 92 against South Africa against the best bowling attack in the world in the most difficult conditions.

He is the most exciting emerging all-rounder in the world, and the last time a young all-rounder made an immediate impact like that was Ben Stokes, who turned out to be a phenomenal cricketer and is now the best all-rounder in the world by a mile.

If Fahim produces the type of performances against good attacks that Pandya has, some of our fans might pass out of excitement, and would dub him the next Sobers. Let him do well against good teams like Pandya has, and this comparison will be justified and our fans can do their bhangra.

Right now, this is a foolish comparison. However, I am simply wasting my time here because you cannot knock sense into people that have green blinkers on.

If the shoe was on the other foot, and Fahim would have been the one to score a 70 in 40 balls in the CT Final against India, score 80 in 50 balls and 70 in 70 balls against Australia, as well as a 92 to rescue Pakistan from 90/7 in South Africa, our fans would roll on the floor at Indians comparing someone like Pandya to him, whose only claim of fame is a half-century/century against Ireland.

The hypocrisy and the bias couldn't be more obvious.

Please note that I am not addressing you at a personal level; the reason why I tagged you was because I wanted to touch on your statement that Pandya's innings against South Africa was of no use and had no impact. My criticism of our supporters is not directed at you.
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For me if a player can't contribute to his team's wins he is useless.

Faulkner once made a 50 ball Hundred vs India in India in 2014 and also was on the on the wickets list but noone remembers that because it was in a losing cause

A mediocre AR like Pandya who averages 35+ with the bowl and 20s with the bat deserves no respect just because of 3 FLUKE innings 2 of which came in a losing cause

India don't need another batsman..they bat very deep

India need an AR who can bowl well like Kapil Dev.


Unless Pandya makes his team win against a major side and improves his FC and list A stats he is as mediocre as Afridi.

In fact statistically speaking even Afridi is much much better than Pandya and atleast he contributed to Pakistan's wins.

Pandya is the most hyped cricketer in Indian history.
 
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Mamoon said:
[MENTION=143972]Bleedgreen4ever[/MENTION]

You cannot judge the impact of an individual performance in Test cricket by the outcome of the match. Tests are not ODIs and T20s - one innings or one spell rarely determine the outcome of the match, since they are so many variables and so many other factors over the 5 days and 15 sessions that influence the result of the match.

Pandya's innings against South Africa was impactful by any means. He came to the crease when India were reeling at 92/7 in reply to South Africa's 286, on a difficult wicket against a phenomenally good bowling attack of Steyn, Rabada, Philander and Morkel. Furthermore, all of India's main batsmen were back in the pavilion.

His counter-attacking 92 with the tail took India to a 200+ total, preventing them from collapsing to 100 all-out, and provided them with an opportunity to turn the game around. Following his innings, both South Africa (3rd innings) and India (4th innings) were dismissed for a sub 130 score, which signified the value of his knock.

Without him, South Africa would have massacred India and the game would not have gone to the last session. That was the impact of his innings.

Fahim has played a good innings here, but you cannot compare it to Pandya's innings. The Irish bowling attack is rubbish, and the conditions are actually quite decent for batting. The only reason why we found ourselves in a spot of bother was because the rubbish Pakistani batsmen were up to their usual rubbish.

Any good batting unit would have piled up a good score against this nonsense bowling attack without much trouble.

Fahim might turn out to be a good player for Pakistan, but there is no need of forcing this comparison with Pandya down our throats; it makes our fans look extremely desperate.

So far, Fahim has done nothing in his career to merit a comparison with Pandya. This is his first meaningful knock in international cricket, and it came against Ireland. Pandya took the cricket world by storm last year with several fantastic performances in both ODIs and Tests against good opposition.

During our fluke run in the Champions Trophy, he was the only batsman who was able to get a hold of our bowling, and then he followed it up with a brilliant performance against Australia in ODIs, rescuing India from a 50-5 situation with a counter-attacking 80 in 50 balls, and then scored a 70 in 70 to chase down a total.

He followed with a Test hundred in SL and a 92 against South Africa against the best bowling attack in the world in the most difficult conditions.

He is the most exciting emerging all-rounder in the world, and the last time a young all-rounder made an immediate impact like that was Ben Stokes, who turned out to be a phenomenal cricketer and is now the best all-rounder in the world by a mile.

If Fahim produces the type of performances against good attacks that Pandya has, some of our fans might pass out of excitement, and would dub him the next Sobers. Let him do well against good teams like Pandya has, and this comparison will be justified and our fans can do their bhangra.

Right now, this is a foolish comparison. However, I am simply wasting my time here because you cannot knock sense into people that have green blinkers on.

If the shoe was on the other foot, and Fahim would have been the one to score a 70 in 40 balls in the CT Final against India, score 80 in 50 balls and 70 in 70 balls against Australia, as well as a 92 to rescue Pakistan from 90/7 in South Africa, our fans would roll on the floor at Indians comparing someone like Pandya to him, whose only claim of fame is a half-century/century against Ireland.

The hypocrisy and the bias couldn't be more obvious.

Please note that I am not addressing you at a personal level; the reason why I tagged you was because I wanted to touch on your statement that Pandya's innings against South Africa was of no use and had no impact. My criticism of our supporters is not directed at you.
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I agree that a lot of these posters need to calm down with the comparison and over hyping of Faheem on here and he has yet to achieve what Pandya has done so far but I strongly disagree - if you watched the game it is not an easy pitch to bat on there has been plenty of swing and seam and if you saw the delivery Faheem got you would see it was a corker of a ball.
 
ArsenalFC said:
I agree that a lot of these posters need to calm down with the comparison and over hyping of Faheem on here and he has yet to achieve what Pandya has done so far but I strongly disagree - if you watched the game it is not an easy pitch to bat on there has been plenty of swing and seam and if you saw the delivery Faheem got you would see it was a corker of a ball.
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Yes Fahim got a corker, but he also rode his luck thrice. However, that was not the case when it comes to the other dismissals. There was nothing special about the deliveries that got the batsmen out, they were simply exposed for their poor techniques and temperament.

No good batting unit would have been reduced to 150-6 on this pitch against these bowlers.
 
Both won't be eite all rounders

Shadab will be though
 
Mamoon said:
[MENTION=143972]Bleedgreen4ever[/MENTION]

You cannot judge the impact of an individual performance in Test cricket by the outcome of the match. Tests are not ODIs and T20s - one innings or one spell rarely determine the outcome of the match, since they are so many variables and so many other factors over the 5 days and 15 sessions that influence the result of the match.

Pandya's innings against South Africa was impactful by any means. He came to the crease when India were reeling at 92/7 in reply to South Africa's 286, on a difficult wicket against a phenomenally good bowling attack of Steyn, Rabada, Philander and Morkel. Furthermore, all of India's main batsmen were back in the pavilion.

His counter-attacking 92 with the tail took India to a 200+ total, preventing them from collapsing to 100 all-out, and provided them with an opportunity to turn the game around. Following his innings, both South Africa (3rd innings) and India (4th innings) were dismissed for a sub 130 score, which signified the value of his knock.

Without him, South Africa would have massacred India and the game would not have gone to the last session. That was the impact of his innings.

Fahim has played a good innings here, but you cannot compare it to Pandya's innings. The Irish bowling attack is rubbish, and the conditions are actually quite decent for batting. The only reason why we found ourselves in a spot of bother was because the rubbish Pakistani batsmen were up to their usual rubbish.

Any good batting unit would have piled up a good score against this nonsense bowling attack without much trouble.

Fahim might turn out to be a good player for Pakistan, but there is no need of forcing this comparison with Pandya down our throats; it makes our fans look extremely desperate.

So far, Fahim has done nothing in his career to merit a comparison with Pandya. This is his first meaningful knock in international cricket, and it came against Ireland. Pandya took the cricket world by storm last year with several fantastic performances in both ODIs and Tests against good opposition.

During our fluke run in the Champions Trophy, he was the only batsman who was able to get a hold of our bowling, and then he followed it up with a brilliant performance against Australia in ODIs, rescuing India from a 50-5 situation with a counter-attacking 80 in 50 balls, and then scored a 70 in 70 to chase down a total.

He followed with a Test hundred in SL and a 92 against South Africa against the best bowling attack in the world in the most difficult conditions.

He is the most exciting emerging all-rounder in the world, and the last time a young all-rounder made an immediate impact like that was Ben Stokes, who turned out to be a phenomenal cricketer and is now the best all-rounder in the world by a mile.

If Fahim produces the type of performances against good attacks that Pandya has, some of our fans might pass out of excitement, and would dub him the next Sobers. Let him do well against good teams like Pandya has, and this comparison will be justified and our fans can do their bhangra.

Right now, this is a foolish comparison. However, I am simply wasting my time here because you cannot knock sense into people that have green blinkers on.

If the shoe was on the other foot, and Fahim would have been the one to score a 70 in 40 balls in the CT Final against India, score 80 in 50 balls and 70 in 70 balls against Australia, as well as a 92 to rescue Pakistan from 90/7 in South Africa, our fans would roll on the floor at Indians comparing someone like Pandya to him, whose only claim of fame is a half-century/century against Ireland.

The hypocrisy and the bias couldn't be more obvious.

Please note that I am not addressing you at a personal level; the reason why I tagged you was because I wanted to touch on your statement that Pandya's innings against South Africa was of no use and had no impact. My criticism of our supporters is not directed at you.
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Now sinds you brought champions trophy up are you sad that Pakistan humiliated india or are you sad that india lost?
On topic we have to wait few years then we will see who is better.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes Fahim got a corker, but he also rode his luck thrice. However, that was not the case when it comes to the other dismissals. There was nothing special about the deliveries that got the batsmen out, they were simply exposed for their poor techniques and temperament.

No good batting unit would have been reduced to 150-6 on this pitch against these bowlers.
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Have you seen any other team play test against Ireland in Ireland?
 
This is a good batting pitch that's why faheem innings is rubbish but if pandya scored this is on this I bet mamoom will be saying this is one of the best innings as the bowl was seaming and swinging and our Batsmen would have get out for 50 against this Irish bowling attack.
 
Khan12 said:
This is a good batting pitch that's why faheem innings is rubbish but if pandya scored this is on this I bet mamoom will be saying this is one of the best innings as the bowl was seaming and swinging and our Batsmen would have get out for 50 against this Irish bowling attack.
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Pandya will not have to score here because the Indian batsmen know how to bat, and they won't be reduced to 150-6 against Irish trundlers.
 
pakistan cricket fan said:
Now sinds you brought champions trophy up are you sad that Pakistan humiliated india or are you sad that india lost?
On topic we have to wait few years then we will see who is better.
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I was delighted when we won the CT; it is one of the greatest achievements in our history.

Secondly, the second part of your statement gives the impression that both Pandya and Fahim are starting from the same position. Unfortunately, that is not the case.

Pandya has a lot more significant performances under his belt and he has a very good reputation in the cricketing world. He is considered as the most exciting emerging all-rounder in the world and Fahim has to catch up with him, because he is a nobody at this point in time.

Except for maybe Pakistan, not a single team in the world at the moment would pick Fahim over Pandya in their lineup, so the statement that "we have to wait few years then we will see who is better" does not work because Pandya is already a better and bigger cricketer.
 
Khan12 said:
This is a good batting pitch that's why faheem innings is rubbish but if pandya scored this is on this I bet mamoom will be saying this is one of the best innings as the bowl was seaming and swinging and our Batsmen would have get out for 50 against this Irish bowling attack.
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I think Pandya's hype is around his start. He started off averaging around 60 with a century against SL and then also followed up with a 93 against SA.

Up to about late 2017 he was averaging around 34, SR of 130 with a bit of bowling thrown in.

He's degraded since then, and will likely be dropped soon enough. He's probably been overhyped a bit too by Indians given they wanted a pace bowling allrounder (like Pakistan and many other countries do).

Fahim hasn't hit really heights in anything, his ODI record so far is poor. He's just started his test career, done well, but it's Ireland, not SA or even a main test nation.

One thing however Fahim has over Pandya is that Fahim has done well in T20s and made that place his own, mainly on bowling. Pandya on the other hand hasn't really secured a place in any format at the moment and looks on shaky ground.
 
SO Far i have no doubt that Fahim is ahead of Pandya but both have to prove thmeselves for ppermannat spot in all formats.
 
ads101 said:
I think Pandya's hype is around his start. He started off averaging around 60 with a century against SL and then also followed up with a 93 against SA.

Up to about late 2017 he was averaging around 34, SR of 130 with a bit of bowling thrown in.

He's degraded since then, and will likely be dropped soon enough. He's probably been overhyped a bit too by Indians given they wanted a pace bowling allrounder (like Pakistan and many other countries do).

Fahim hasn't hit really heights in anything, his ODI record so far is poor. He's just started his test career, done well, but it's Ireland, not SA or even a main test nation.

One thing however Fahim has over Pandya is that Fahim has done well in T20s and made that place his own, mainly on bowling. Pandya on the other hand hasn't really secured a place in any format at the moment and looks on shaky ground.
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There is no chance of him getting dropped. He is rated highly by Kohli and the selectors. Besides, impact all-rounders like him often go through lean patches. Ben Stokes struggled a lot for nearly a year, and Mitch Marsh took years to find his feet in international cricket.

Pandya is a tremendous talent and he will be back to his best very soon. Sky is the limit for him, he has massive potential. He will continue to be a fixture in the team.
 
Mamoon said:
There is no chance of him getting dropped. He is rated highly by Kohli and the selectors. Besides, impact all-rounders like him often go through lean patches. Ben Stokes struggled a lot for nearly a year, and Mitch Marsh took years to find his feet in international cricket.

Pandya is a tremendous talent and he will be back to his best very soon. Sky is the limit for him, he has massive potential. He will continue to be a fixture in the team.
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You are consistently comparing all rounders, players who are meant to be measured across two dimensions - batting and bowling - purely based on batting. Pandya, for all his talent with the bat, which I can certainly agree with, has been bang average with the ball. It is honestly just disingenuous to not even mention that when making an otherwise reasonable argument.
 
HuzaifaE said:
You are consistently comparing all rounders, players who are meant to be measured across two dimensions - batting and bowling - purely based on batting. Pandya, for all his talent with the bat, which I can certainly agree with, has been bang average with the ball. It is honestly just disingenuous to not even mention that when making an otherwise reasonable argument.
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The reason is that Fahim's long-term utility for Pakistan will be determined by his success as a batsman. Pakistan will always produce enough bowlers who will bowl better than him, but what we lack is a fast bowling all-rounder who does not flatter to deceive.

If Fahim flops with the bat but does well with the ball, it will not mean anything for the team. He never will be as good with the ball as someone like Hasan Ali or Shaheen Afridi for example, and Pakistan will continue to produce bowlers of that caliber.

Similarly, for India, Pandya's batting is more crucial than his bowling. He only started bowling a couple of years ago, and he has always been primarily a batsman, and that is where India sees his best utility.

For both Fahim and Pandya, bowling is secondary and largely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, and that is why I do not like to talk much about Fahim's bowling success, for example leading the charts in the PSL or that fluke hat-trick against SL.
 
Bleedgreen4ever said:
For me if a player can't contribute to his team's wins he is useless.

Faulkner once made a 50 ball Hundred vs India in India in 2014 and also was on the on the wickets list but noone remembers that because it was in a losing cause

A mediocre AR like Pandya who averages 35+ with the bowl and 20s with the bat deserves no respect just because of 3 FLUKE innings 2 of which came in a losing cause

India don't need another batsman..they bat very deep

India need an AR who can bowl well like Kapil Dev.


Unless Pandya makes his team win against a major side and improves his FC and list A stats he is as mediocre as Afridi.

In fact statistically speaking even Afridi is much much better than Pandya and atleast he contributed to Pakistan's wins.

Pandya is the most hyped cricketer in Indian history.
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pandya's bowling avg-29(odis),33(tests)
batting avg-38(odis),39(tests).
The stats which u are showing have a striking simliarity with abdul razzaq's stats.:razzaq
sO RAZZAQ WAS MEDIOCRE?
 
DRsohail said:
SO Far i have no doubt that Fahim is ahead of Pandya but both have to prove thmeselves for ppermannat spot in all formats.
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Can you care to back ur statement with any state or jus like most of the ppers u also lookin at astonishing potential of faheem
 
Mamoon said:
I would say he is the second most exciting emerging all-rounder after Pandya, but he cannot be compared to him unless he produces the type of knocks that Pandya has in both Tests and ODIs. However, he has certainly done more than Fahim so far.

Those innings against Pakistan, Australia and South Africa put Pandya at a pedestal that Shadab has not been able to reach yet. He has played some decent knocks, but nothing close to what Pandya has produced.

However, we are playing against some big teams in the next 12 months and he has the chance to make an impact.

I am certainly very excited about his development.
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Common mate this is just pure biased , Ask any county team they will prefer Shadab over Pandya any day of the week for every format. Pandya is not even half a bowler Shadab is and batting wise Shadab is improving is just behind Pandya.
 
muhammad saad said:
Common mate this is just pure biased , Ask any county team they will prefer Shadab over Pandya any day of the week for every format. Pandya is not even half a bowler Shadab is and batting wise Shadab is improving is just behind Pandya.
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Shadab is a far better cricketer than Pandya despite being 4-5 years younger.
 
muhammad saad said:
Common mate this is just pure biased , Ask any county team they will prefer Shadab over Pandya any day of the week for every format. Pandya is not even half a bowler Shadab is and batting wise Shadab is improving is just behind Pandya.
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Every team in the world would pick Shadab over Pandya only on PakPassion maybe, but unfortunately, the reality is different.

There is no doubt that Shadab is a very promising young player, but in terms of reputation and prominence, he is nowhere near Pandya at this point.

Pandya rose to prominence in the second half of 2017 due to performances on the big stage and against the big teams.

His innings in the CT Final made him a star overnight, and he followed that up with a Man of the Series performance against Australia, where he played a couple of brilliant match-winning knocks.

That earned him a Test call-up, and he scored a Test hundred against Sri Lanka in only his third Test. In South Africa, he produced one of the innings of the series on a difficult pitch against a world class bowling attack, when India were reeling at 90-7.

In comparison, Shadab has not done much against the big teams and in big moments for the cricketing world to take note of him. Most of his performances have come in the PSL - a poor man's IPL rip off that has limited global appeal, and against weak teams like West Indies and Sri Lanka.

I am not suggesting that Shadab is a minnow basher, he is a very good player, but so far he has not done enough against the big teams for the world to take note.

In the CT, he had minimal impact because that tournament was all about Pakistan's fast bowlers, especially Hasan and the emergence of Fakhar. In fact, his only notable wicket was that of Yuvraj in the final, and his last memory from that game was getting hammered by Pandya.

In New Zealand, Pakistan got a much needed reality check and although Shadab had a good series individually, Pakistan were blanked and was not able to make any headlines.

If Shadab continues to perform like this against our big opponents this year, for example, teams like England, Australia and South Africa, he will become a global star which he is not at this point.

Pakistan's most prominent emerging player is Hasan followed by Fakhar, and it does not need any explanation. The likes of Shadab and Fahim are lagging behind those two because of the reasons I have already provided.

Finally, no Shadab is not "just behind" Pandya with the bat. He has good potential as a batsman, but Pandya has a much higher ceiling; he can be a world class batsman, but Shadab's stronger suit is bowling. He will never be a world class batsman.

The type of knocks that Pandya has produced against the likes of Pakistan, Australia, South Africa and Sri Lanka are beyond Shadab's capabilities.

However, Shadab is certainly a far better bowler and if he can deliver significant spells against the major teams, he will achieve a lot of global prominence like Pandya.

At this point, Shadab has little presence outside Pakistan. The likes of Australia, South Africa, England and New Zealand etc. would definitely not pick him ahead of Pandya, who is undoubtedly the most exciting young all-rounder in the world.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] I think you are downplaying Shadab’s CT performance:

First of all he was the only bowler to maintain some respect along with Amir on June 4th. Also got Dhawan.

Didn’t bowl much against SA, was rested against SL but bowled beautifully against England and took the wicket of Joe Root which started off the collapse.

Then in the final got Yuvi, Jadhav. The only reason he got smacked like he did by Pandya was because he was tossing it up trying to get a cheap wicket.

He’s already played clutch innings too. Almost helped Pakistan chase 270 against NZ with Haris. He bowled well in the NZ series too and when he took wickets he took them in clusters.

Hot property in T20 leagues - he got a BBL contract which shows that he does have a presence outside of Pakistan.
 
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babajee said:
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] I think you are downplaying Shadab’s CT performance:

First of all he was the only bowler to maintain some respect along with Amir on June 4th. Also got Dhawan.

Didn’t bowl much against SA, was rested against SL but bowled beautifully against England and took the wicket of Joe Root which started off the collapse.

Then in the final got Yuvi, Jadhav. The only reason he got smacked like he did by Pandya was because he was tossing it up trying to get a cheap wicket.

He’s already played clutch innings too. Almost helped Pakistan chase 270 against NZ with Haris. He bowled well in the NZ series too and when he took wickets he took them in clusters.

Hot property in T20 leagues - he got a BBL contract which shows that he does have a presence outside of Pakistan.
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I am not saying he bowled poorly in the CT; he was good, but he was completely overshadowed by other players.

Hot property in T20 leagues does not mean you have global presence at the international level. Even Tanvir and Arafat are hot properties in T20 league cricket. Unless Shadab makes his presence felt against the likes of England, Australia, India, South Africa, he will not have the same reputation as someone like Pandya.

Shadab is not a minnow basher, but so far he has not been able to make the headlines against the top teams because other players have either done better or Pakistan have been thrashed.
 
I would pick a geniune threatning bowler having immense potential with the bat over a batting allrounder who is not consistent with the bat but shows glimpse of talent , also a passenger with the bowl.
 
Peshwa said:
And What faheem hv done in international circuit against top teams that inspire confidence in you that you put him ahead of Pandya
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Fahim can play as a bowler in the team but going by Pandya bowling if he does not improve his batting his bowling is going to do nothing.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
pandya's bowling avg-29(odis),33(tests)
batting avg-38(odis),39(tests).
The stats which u are showing have a striking simliarity with abdul razzaq's stats.:razzaq
sO RAZZAQ WAS MEDIOCRE?
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Razzaq was never a legend like AR we had in the past

In fact his career was unfulfilled still he was a way way better bowler than Pandya
 
Love how Faheem is overrated to the moon on here, his bowling isn't going to do much in tests. The wicket he got was a gift. Simply a toothless bowler in the longer form of the game, I would rather have Pandya bowling at least he has pace and can crank it up to 90mph.

Once Faheem passed 50 against this minnow Irish team so many quick to jump on here and say "Pandya is no match for Faheem" well I'm sorry he has just come out of SA with an excellent 90 when he came in with the team 90/7 against perhaps the best pace attack in great bowling conditions.

Pandya is a far superior player in all 3 facets of the game so far. Faheem has a long way to go.
 
Mamoon said:
I was delighted when we won the CT; it is one of the greatest achievements in our history.

Secondly, the second part of your statement gives the impression that both Pandya and Fahim are starting from the same position. Unfortunately, that is not the case.

Pandya has a lot more significant performances under his belt and he has a very good reputation in the cricketing world. He is considered as the most exciting emerging all-rounder in the world and Fahim has to catch up with him, because he is a nobody at this point in time.

Except for maybe Pakistan, not a single team in the world at the moment would pick Fahim over Pandya in their lineup, so the statement that "we have to wait few years then we will see who is better" does not work because Pandya is already a better and bigger cricketer.
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He might be better but he is certainly not bigger cricketer then Faheem.
 
ArsenalFC said:
Love how Faheem is overrated to the moon on here, his bowling isn't going to do much in tests. The wicket he got was a gift. Simply a toothless bowler in the longer form of the game, I would rather have Pandya bowling at least he has pace and can crank it up to 90mph.

Once Faheem passed 50 against this minnow Irish team so many quick to jump on here and say "Pandya is no match for Faheem" well I'm sorry he has just come out of SA with an excellent 90 when he came in with the team 90/7 against perhaps the best pace attack in great bowling conditions.

Pandya is a far superior player in all 3 facets of the game so far. Faheem has a long way to go.
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Keep dreaming.
 
babajee said:
Keep dreaming.
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I would be ashamed by his bowling performance today if I was a Faheem fan. He kept bowling a leg stump line. For months and months I've been reading how his bowling is better than Pandya's on PP but I've watched him for a long time and at best he's a part time bowler in tests. If he isn't able to average 35+ with the bat then he's just a bits and pieces type cricketer.
 
DRsohail said:
Fahim can play as a bowler in the team but going by Pandya bowling if he does not improve his batting his bowling is going to do nothing.
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Faheem is nobody bro
Stop hyping him
Pandya got atleast few good performance Agsinst top teams to back hype around him
Wat Faheem hv done in international cricket yet against top teams...nothing
 
This thread is going long way lol....interesting time ahead...hope this thread go like sachin vs lara and doesnt end like kohli vs umar akmal. Faheem vs pandya battle of the generation
 
Faheem is no match for Hardik, no matter how much we wish for the contrary to be true.
 
ArsenalFC said:
Dude in the same scenario (90/7) Hardik hit 90 odd against the best pace attack in the world. What is medicore about that?
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We are giving him some legendary status based on one fluke innings.

He has done nothing after that to indicate he can pull off those kinds of performances regularly.

Let’s not even start on his bowling.
 
babajee said:
We are giving him some legendary status based on one fluke innings.

He has done nothing after that to indicate he can pull off those kinds of performances regularly.

Let’s not even start on his bowling.
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atleast hardik has played some fabulous knocks in tests and has been mos against Australia what has faheem done compared to hardik be it batting bowling or fielding
 
babajee said:
We are giving him some legendary status based on one fluke innings.

He has done nothing after that to indicate he can pull off those kinds of performances regularly.

Let’s not even start on his bowling.
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No it's not a fluke when you have seven 50+ scores at international level including a ton. Faheem has just one 50 and a lot to prove whereas Hardik has established himself as an international standard all rounder. He's the second best pace all rounder in the world after Stokes.

Hardik's bowling is more useful with his 140-145 speed than Faheem's 5"9 medium pace at 135-137. Neither of them are good enough to be front line bowlers but I would take Pandya's bowling, batting and fielding any day of the week.

The only notable performances I can think of from Faheem are the 54* in PSL and the 50 against Ireland, otherwise he has just made cameo contributions. Make no mistake it is not even close between these two. Also Faheem isn't even the best all rounder in Pakistan let alone between us and our neighbours. it

It is hilarious out of all the players you choose as a fan going, you settle for such mediocrity.
 
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