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Hardik Pandya vs Faheem Ashraf

babajee said:
We are giving him some legendary status based on one fluke innings.

He has done nothing after that to indicate he can pull off those kinds of performances regularly.

Let’s not even start on his bowling.
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You are making a mockery of yourself by hyping too much about this newbie Faheem! Let him play an year of international cricket before even comparing to Hardik.
 
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babajee said:
We are giving him some legendary status based on one fluke innings.

He has done nothing after that to indicate he can pull off those kinds of performances regularly.

Let’s not even start on his bowling.
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atleast hardik has played some fabulous knocks in tests and has been mos against Australia what has faheem done compared to hardik be it batting bowling or fielding
 
He really needs to go back to domestic cricket and learn how to bowl, why concentrate on his bowling? Because that's supposedly the only reason he's in the side. His batting isn't nothing to write home about and his bowling has been ordinary.
 
Is this thread really going to be bumped everytime one or the other does good or bad?
 
Sherlock said:
He really needs to go back to domestic cricket and learn how to bowl, why concentrate on his bowling? Because that's supposedly the only reason he's in the side. His batting isn't nothing to write home about and his bowling has been ordinary.
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He was trundling in the last match with max speed of 132.
 
Tyler Durden said:
You are making a mockery of yourself by hyping too much about this newbie Faheem! Let him play an year of international cricket before even comparing to Hardik.
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Some of our indian fans were also making a mockery of themselves by overhyping Pandya after his first series in International cricket. Some of them even called him the best since Kapil Dev. In reality he has to climb the ladder and first surpass Robin Singh then Irfan Pathan.
 
Think this thread proves what's everything wrong with cricket nowadays. Neither could be classed as world-class or anywhere near that. Both are decent-level white-ball cricketers. They certainly need to improve vastly on their other specialities though.
 
It is fair comparison both are still not suitable for test cricket and honestly Pandya, I don't think has enough talent to survive for long in test cricket.

If Pandya was any good he would have shown lot of improvement but I have not seen any improvement in Pandya.
 
jadaja said:
It is fair comparison both are still not suitable for test cricket and honestly Pandya, I don't think has enough talent to survive for long in test cricket.

If Pandya was any good he would have shown lot of improvement but I have not seen any improvement in Pandya.
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dont wait for improvement, for improvent is just an allusion. because in the improvement is the big positif, and mixed with gram positif and negative, so be careful.
 
sadida97 said:
dont wait for improvement, for improvent is just an allusion. because in the improvement is the big positif, and mixed with gram positif and negative, so be careful.
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Improvement is not always about runs and wickets.It is about taking more responsibility and becoming a key member of the team.Pandya had a chance to do it but he has not done that, and you know why he is not that talented.

Same thing with Asad Shafiq for example, he is not going to replace Younis Khan because he simply is not good enough.He is at best no6.
 
sadida97 said:
dont wait for improvement, for improvent is just an allusion. because in the improvement is the big positif, and mixed with gram positif and negative, so be careful.
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Too many positives and negatives in your post. Are you holding too many pencil cells in your hand?
 
jadaja said:
Improvement is not always about runs and wickets.It is about taking more responsibility and becoming a key member of the team.Pandya had a chance to do it but he has not done that, and you know why he is not that talented.

Same thing with Asad Shafiq for example, he is not going to replace Younis Khan because he simply is not good enough.He is at best no6.
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look bro, he earns money and is living a good life. so why improve ? I mean pehle hi chati soh problem hein is zindagi mein, so why try to complicate life .
 
MenInG said:
Not a good day for Faheem today.
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A duck is never good, but given how the rest of the team batted, we can forgive him. He did get a wicket for 16 runs, so I would say below expectations but not horrible.
 
No matter how many times people repeat themselves - Pandya is a level above Fahim.
 
No matter how many times people repeat themselves - Fahim is a level above Pandya. Nothing is going to change this.
 
Now matter how much arm chair wirst slit numerous english counties still want to sign fahim for their team which shows the value of fahim
 
Both seem 'project' players so far in Test XI. Decent quality fourth seamers, but not doing enough in either discipline to win a place and putting excess pressure on specialist batsmen to make up the lost runs.

Big difference is Kohli is in the kind of form run where he's delivering 1.6-1.8 x the output of a normal batsman whereas Sarfaraz is delivering around 0.3 - 0.5x. So Faheem has very little breathing space compared to Pandya
 
pratiktc said:
Both seem 'project' players so far in Test XI. Decent quality fourth seamers, but not doing enough in either discipline to win a place and putting excess pressure on specialist batsmen to make up the lost runs.

Big difference is Kohli is in the kind of form run where he's delivering 1.6-1.8 x the output of a normal batsman whereas Sarfaraz is delivering around 0.3 - 0.5x. So Faheem has very little breathing space compared to Pandya
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Pandya has a Test century , a brilliant fielder and is faster than Fahim.Also got an MOS against Australia of all teams.Kohli and Shastri see a future captain in him and hence he will get more opportunities than Fahim.
 
Rahim bowling is better . Atm pandya batting is better.
It's closer than somewhere would think.

Pandya shading it overall but he has been on the circuit slightly longer
 
kuskash said:
Don’t you see the results after overhyping Pak players?
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Yes only team England haven't beaten in a home series in 3 + match series
CT win in 2017
Number 1 ranked team in 2016 tests
Number 1 ranked team in T20
First team to win a may test Vs England in Yonks
Etc etc
We are doing ok thank u
 
babajee said:
Faheem is rubbish in your opinion?
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He is a serviceable player, not terrible in any facet but not great either. He is overhyped because of our desperation to unearth a world class fast bowling all-rounder.

On the other hand, Pandya has world class potential.
 
Pandya had a terrific start and seemed he is destined to be future captain however it seems he is regressing or has plateaued..
 
Mamoon said:
He is a serviceable player, not terrible in any facet but not great either. He is overhyped because of our desperation to unearth a world class fast bowling all-rounder.

On the other hand, Pandya has world class potential.
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Faheem bowling is better then Pandaya who is to be honest a very mediocre bowler
 
Abdullah said:
Yes only team England haven't beaten in a home series in 3 + match series
CT win in 2017
Number 1 ranked team in 2016 tests
Number 1 ranked team in T20
First team to win a may test Vs England in Yonks
Etc etc
We are doing ok thank u
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All those were when you had Younis and Misbah and nobody takes international T20s seriously.With your current batsmen, you lost to Srilanka of all teams, at home.
 
Pandya's strong point - Batting
Faheem's strong point - Bowling

a) Who is doing better in their respective strong points currently and how many matches have they won for their countries?

b) Who is doing better in their second strongest area?

c) Who is a better fielder?
 
Faheem has played his role very well on this tour so far. He failed with the bat only once and picked up wickets consistently.
 
As a Pakistani I want to see Faheem do well as I have backed him for some years now.

But the reality is that Hardik Pandya is a level better than him right now. Everyone who understands cricket well will agree with that. But Faheem can get better if he keeps working hard and improving.
 
Hype brigade need to calm it down here. Pandya is well ahead as a batsman and fielder.

In bowling it is a lot closer but on flatter decks with the Kookaburra, the Indian is a bigger asset because he isn't as short as Faheem and he can crank it up to 90mph.

The only thing going for Faheem over Pandya here is his ability to swing and seam the ball in receptive conditions.
 
Batting : Pandya
Bowling : Faheem
Fielding : Pandya.

But what important is BOTH are doing the job for their respective teams.

Also Faheem is much younger at the international level.

We'll get a better idea at the 19 WC as both will have good experience, and both will play against same teams(9 matches)
 
Pp logic
Pandya is indian =worldclass
Fahim is pakistani=average player
Fahim is destined to be star for pakistan team
 
Mamoon said:
No matter how many times people repeat themselves - Pandya is a level above Fahim.
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How is Pandya level above Fahim, other bang in short, I have not seen much talent with ball from Pandya.

Second Pandya has not shown capability to handle fast bowling with bat.If he was any good he would have become a key member with MI but his brother has become much contributor than him.

One question how is Andrea Russell in comparison to both.
 
jadaja said:
How is Pandya level above Fahim, other bang in short, I have not seen much talent with ball from Pandya.

Second Pandya has not shown capability to handle fast bowling with bat.If he was any good he would have become a key member with MI but his brother has become much contributor than him.

One question how is Andrea Russell in comparison to both.
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Andre Russell is a proven performer. No comparison with these two newbs.
 
jadaja said:
Question is about talent, Russell has played less test matches than these two and I have no idea why he has not played more tests.
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Issues with CWI maybe. Russell is probably the best T20 all-rounder in the world right now. Stokes and Shakib are quite far behind in my opinion.
 
71 of 94 today with 10 boundaries, showed good defensive technique, waited for bad balls. Mostly got the most important lower order runs and hung around with the tail
 
Performance against a team that is playing their first test match isn't a good indicator of how good a player is.
 
Faheem’s innings against Ireland was clutch and in foreign conditions.

Faheem >> Pandya
 
babajee said:
Faheem’s innings against Ireland was clutch and in foreign conditions.

Faheem >> Pandya
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Pandya has 90 against SA in SA.And bowls 140 clicks in Test even in hot and humid Srilanka whereas Faheem couldnt come anywhere close to 140 even in cold England.
So Pandya>>>>> Faheem.
 
Dingolfy said:
Pandya has 90 against SA in SA.And bowls 140 clicks in Test even in hot and humid Srilanka whereas Faheem couldnt come anywhere close to 140 even in cold England.
So Pandya>>>>> Faheem.
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Who cares about pace :))

Pandya can’t bowl for his life.
 
Dingolfy said:
You would be the first pakistani to say that.Come on Bhaijan, dont betray your pace genes.Say with me.Pace matters and Pandya is faster than Fahim in Tests.
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Let him be faster. :)

Wahab > all of India’s pace attack??
 
71 runs and impacted one brilliant run out already. Good start for Pandya here. He's surely among the top 5 fielders of World Cricket currently.
 
Immature and childish to pump the thread after every one failure of each of them.let them fail continously than it should be pump
 
dravidthewall said:
Pandya is clearly better batsman than faheem. But faheem is better bowler than pandy.
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Pandya seems to be just going through motions when he is bowling. He has the pace and strength to become a much better bowler. He needs to concentrate on variations to be more successful.

Right now the only go to delivery that Pandya has is the bouncer. He rarely ever tries the cutters or the yorkers.

Pandya the batsman is great down the order. Gives the batting some much needed firepower.
 
troodon said:
Pandya seems to be just going through motions when he is bowling. He has the pace and strength to become a much better bowler. He needs to concentrate on variations to be more successful.

Right now the only go to delivery that Pandya has is the bouncer. He rarely ever tries the cutters or the yorkers.

Pandya the batsman is great down the order. Gives the batting some much needed firepower.
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Pandya will do well when it's swinging, will come in handy when cloud returns and opening bowlers are tired. In LOIs, on flat decks, everyone will go for runs, then spinners are important.
 
This Pandya guy looks like he means business. England will need to look out for him for sure.
 
Pandya at least is good at hitting. He knows how to do it, and he's played down the order as a result of it. He's not reliable enough, and he isn't a consistent batsman or bowler, but at least he has a strength.

Faheem I'm always confused what his strength actually is. He's not a great bowler, doesn't get a lot of wickets nor is he good at conserving runs, he doesn't score a high average with the bat. He doesn't even that great a hitter, he doesn't score particularly quick in domestic or internationals. And while Faheem's not a terrible fielder, Pandya is excellent yet Faheem isn't.

Faheem atm performs in T20s allround (though mostly with the ball) more than Pandya performs in any format. The trouble is it's hard to take internationals T20s seriously as most countries don't (except maybe the world cup).

Faheem atm feels like an extra bowler who isn't as good as the other four. Doesn't bowl full quota, and is the 8th/9th worst batsman in the team (coming after Shadab). At least Pandya seems to have a role. Faheem isn't even entrusted to bat above Shadab, a spinner.
 
He just smashed at a strikerate of over 300. That should tell you the gap between these two players.
 
Wait, what exactly did I miss? A few sixes against the mighty Irish in a T20? Is that why this thread's been bumped?

Talk about low standards. :))
 
Square Drive said:
Wait, what exactly did I miss? A few sixes against the mighty Irish in a T20? Is that why this thread's been bumped?

Talk about low standards. :))
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Trust me, if Faheem would have scored at a strike rate of 300+ against this side. You would have already declared him as the best all-rounder ever.
But, fortunately (for us) he is not good enough to score at 300+ strike rate.
 
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