Haris Rauf or Muhammad Musa - Should one of them be picked for the Australia ODI series?

[saeed5646]

Pakistan odi team desperately need genuine fast bowler who can bowl in high 140s .Musa and rauf are constantly bowling in the range of 140s .they can be x factor for worldcup if they do pick for Australian odi series and perform there.
Postives of Musa khan
He is product of proper setup .he have played club cricket with domestic as well represented pakistan in u19 worldcup where he was excellent throughout the tournament. Recently played first class which will enhance his bowling.
Negative of musa khan
Height is the problem he has to be dead accurate with line and length other wise can easily go for plenty of runs.
Positive of haris rauf
He is product of Player development program of lahore qalandars .he have shown some impressive skills in psl .he can swing and seam the new ball which is huge plus for express bowler.his death over bowling is also good which add to his armoury.
Negative for haris rauf
Have not played single first class match or domestic .his fitness can be issue for longer format like odis and test.

 

[Sherlock]

Musa is so raw it's unbelievable.

I like Rauf but he also needs games but is ahead of Musa currently.

Neither should be rushed though as that can finish ones career if this don't go right.

 

[a_tahir]

Musa is so raw it's unbelievable.

I like Rauf but he also needs games but is ahead of Musa currently.

Neither should be rushed though as that can finish ones career if this don't go right.

Rauf is more raw than Musa what r u on about?? Having said that Musa is raw but not as raw as Rauf


Musa has played u19 cricket and a few domestic matches too.

Rauf has not even played any domestic matches yet

 

[ARK Rafay]

Musa is so raw it's unbelievable.

I like Rauf but he also needs games but is ahead of Musa currently.

Neither should be rushed though as that can finish ones career if this don't go right.

Agree. But I believe Haris needs to play some first class games and list A games and he'll be ready. Musa is very raw though

 

[MRSN]

What about the giant Irfan?

 

[moghul]

None, Musa is not even first class standard yet . Raud too needs to play and perform in FC cricket first .

 

[sjahmed23]

Rauf looks ready. He is fast accurate and has aggression which is badly missing.

 

[saeed5646]

None, Musa is not even first class standard yet . Raud too needs to play and perform in FC cricket first .

It seems you have pretty high standard. Lol at musa is not even first class standard yet

 

[saeed5646]

What about the giant Irfan?

Oh come on he is not the irfan of 2013 .last time he played odi back in 2016 it was such a embarrassing to see him going in and off to field due to his bizarre fitness

 

[Plumb]

Both... give rest to Hasan, Amir. Let shaheen, Haris, Mousa, Junaid take care of Aus. What’s the worse will happen ? We will lose but these guys will get exposure to playing internationally.

 

[Raja Danish]

Both should be tried against aussies in odi series in next month

 

[Syed1]

Musa is so raw it's unbelievable.

I like Rauf but he also needs games but is ahead of Musa currently.

Neither should be rushed though as that can finish ones career if this don't go right.

Rauf is more raw than Musa what r u on about?? Having said that Musa is raw but not as raw as Rauf


Musa has played u19 cricket and a few domestic matches too.

Rauf has not even played any domestic matches yet

Guys what is the definition of raw, is there a metric unit through which we can measure "raw-ness"?

 

[saeed5646]

Both... give rest to Hasan, Amir. Let shaheen, Haris, Mousa, Junaid take care of Aus. What’s the worse will happen ? We will lose but these guys will get exposure to playing internationally.

Mickey and inzi is reluctant to introduce the new talent which may be worldcup is too near.Sa t20 series was perfect time to select musa and some other young talent but we miss that.

I agree there are spot for grabbing. Usman should be replaced with junaid,haris in upcoming odis against aus

 

[saeed5646]

Guys what is the definition of raw, is there a metric unit through which we can measure "raw-ness"?

Shaheen was also consider too '''Raw'" yet he was our best bowler in Sa odi series .Pak bowlers always shine when they are thrown early in international cricket

 

[Titan24]

Rauf gives the much needed X factor to our bowling attack which has every thing other than a tear through fast bowler.

Have been really impressed with Musa but Rauf is more of the requirement currently I think.

Though Musa is also different as he is a hit the deck bowler unlike our current lot which a mostly kiss the surface bower.

 

[Hasan123]

Musa for me.

 

[moghul]

You folks think playing for Pakistan is a joke . All
You need is to bowl some overs with pace around 138-142 and walk in to National team , no need to play FC cricket and perform and develop your art. You don’t get Waqar Ylunis and Wasim Akram every day, stop dreaming . What was Musa,s performance in recent under 19 Asia cup ?

 

[Usman Chadda]

Both need to play a full domestic season first. Shaheen had the tools to be successful even if thrown in the deep end, while Musa is short and will need to be smart to be decent at international level.

Haris will have endurance issues if thrown into ODI cricket right now. Not a test level bowler at all, so let's just forget about that.

 

[Chokli]

Gotta be Haris Rauf

 

[MachoKhan]

How can anyone select harris when hes yet to play first class and list A games? May as well scrape first class and list A from domestic and select players based on t20 tournament.

 

[Darkrai]

Hasan and Amir should be rested, they should play in the Eng series though-we know they will be part of the WC squad. That means both Haris and Musa should be selected.

The bowling attack for Aus series should be Musa, Haris, Shaheen, Junaid, and Faheem. Unfortunately, the selectors are not competent enough, they may not give these guys a chance.

This Aus series should be used to test our bench and try knew players. Then, looking at the performance in Aus series, we should come up with our best XI and use the Eng series for practice and combinations.

 

[Slim]

Both. Even if we lose the series, idc. We need to give both all ODIs to see which one we should take for the WC.

 

[saeed5646]

You folks think playing for Pakistan is a joke . All
You need is to bowl some overs with pace around 138-142 and walk in to National team , no need to play FC cricket and perform and develop your art. You don’t get Waqar Ylunis and Wasim Akram every day, stop dreaming . What was Musa,s performance in recent under 19 Asia cup ?

No What i think is joke after playing many games in domestic and international our current pacer usman khan is still bowling trash niether he has speed nor have mental quality .if you are not good enough you are not .

I see haris or musa perfect replacement for usman in pakistan odi squad .they might not be that good but will certainly perform better then usman.if you have other any option who should be part of pak odi squad you should name it.

 

[moghul]

Forget about FC cricket, Rauf even haven't played any proper club cricket yet. Never bowled more than 4 overs in a game yet and you guys want him to play for Pakistan, very very generous of you.

 

[a_tahir]

What's Musa's height??

 

[saeed5646]

Forget about FC cricket, Rauf even haven't played any proper club cricket yet. Never bowled more than 4 overs in a game yet and you guys want him to play for Pakistan, very very generous of you.

How many have shaheen played first class matches ?If our first class was derived we would not have produce rahat ali,wahab raiz type bowler instead would have quality like shaheen more oftern than not

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Rauf has a lot more upside. Faster, swings the old and new ball. Much more room to gain pace because his action is faulty.

 

[saeed5646]

Rauf has a lot more upside. Faster, swings the old and new ball. Much more room to gain pace because his action is faulty.

What about his action which some dubious with certain deliveries

 

[Abdullah]

Musa is so raw it's unbelievable.

I like Rauf but he also needs games but is ahead of Musa currently.

Neither should be rushed though as that can finish ones career if this don't go right.

Correct in your second sentence. If amir and usman don't do it in the world cup they should be permanently dropped from LOI and replaced with these guys for the next cycle

 

[asadee]

High chance Raufs action will get called specially cos he is Pakistani

 

[IAJ]

Rauf has a lot more upside. Faster, swings the old and new ball. Much more room to gain pace because his action is faulty.

Main to kehta hoon Riaz kou le jao phir England lol

 

[The Viper]

Rauf has hardly played any list A or First class cricket. The problem is that he probably doesn't have the endurance to bowl 10 overs at a rapid pace. Don't get me wrong he looks really good, but international cricket may be too early for him.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Rauf is ready for T20Is and possibly for ODIs if he performs consistently in the remaining games.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Nothing wrong in his action, he just lock his wrist before releasing it and there is nothing wrong with his elbow when releasing the ball either. All clear.

 

[Oneking]

His follow up is very hard injury prone
He needs to have longer run up
With more height in his Jump
To gain pace
Someone from Pak bowling coaches needs to work with him

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I quite like Musa, he has the mental aggression required, just think with his lack of height he will need to be bowling flat out all the time. Haven't seen enough of him yet to see if he has other tools in his locker like swing or seam.

Haris looks a genuine fast bowler, he looks like he could do well if he's given a chance at international level. He's the one I would think is closer to a call up.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

I would select both of them in a squad of 18 and then pick the better of the 2 for the WC, along with Amir, Hasan and Shaheen.

 

[Sherlock]

Rauf is more raw than Musa what r u on about?? Having said that Musa is raw but not as raw as Rauf


Musa has played u19 cricket and a few domestic matches too.

Rauf has not even played any domestic matches yet

What am I on about?

I'm on about experience in bowling correctly at the right occasions. I'm talking about despite Rauf not playing any domestic cricket he's gone through training in Australia and has come through Lahore's Player Development.

Yes Musa has played u-19's but his bowling lacks many aspects. He lacks a decent yorker and his short deliveries have lacked pace in the PSL. I've not witnessed one slower ball that he possesses.

Rauf may be less experienced but for me he's just that step ahead because he can bowl yorkers at will and has a very good bouncer and has a change up delivery too.

Playing in the u-19's doesn't mean Musa is ahead of Rauf.

Musa's action/follow though will give him problem too, as Smith pointed out in commentary at the PSL.

 

[yasir]

Forget about FC cricket, Rauf even haven't played any proper club cricket yet. Never bowled more than 4 overs in a game yet and you guys want him to play for Pakistan, very very generous of you.

Not playing enough cricket is not criteria. Many Pakistani greats have little to no cricket under their belt before playing at highest level. Wasim Akram was so raw that he did not knew what Yorker delivery means. When IK selected him for tour based on just bowling in nets not even a club match, one or more selectors resigned.

Afridi has very little experience and everybody was complaining about that year ago. Yet he is standout bowle in every format including test. Bowling long spells is an issue but franking that issue is with our season bowlers as well, in test Amir/Hasan/Afridi non of them maintain pace, pace goes down by 8/10K where as even SL bowlers where considerably faster than ours. This is a major issue but need to fixed across the board not just with Rauf.

The reason everybody is high on Rauf is because of upside he got is more than any other bowler. He is significantly more pacier than others and has excellent Yorker, he is tailing in at higher pace and at fuller length, that is going to be very important weapon. It’s sort of like what Afridi had last year, his extra height was big advantage, which we all saw in ODI and test. Rauf’s death bowling skills are above every other bowler we got and he has zero experience, now that is something

Plus he can be an X factor in bowling department. Nobody has seen him and he is dofficult to lineup, so far in PSL he is one of the hardest to wack in death. Even upfront most of the boundaries were edges... Playing with four quicks could work, specially against Asian teams. In last WC, when we started playing with four quicks, our fortune stared to change, because all could take wickets. And they are all different bowlers, no respite for batsmen. Amir and Afridi upfront, followed by Hasan and Rauf, then Shadab. You can control a lot of batting line ups and can attack all the time. This formula worked in 90s, when we had 4/5(Ws, Aqub, Saqi, Misho) wicket takers...We cannot find new high quality batsmen on 3 months but can gamble with X factor bowler. Remember we won CT on bowling not on overall performance.

 

[Gullycricket]

Why not try both in Australia series .We can play brainless UKS over and over and not these two. Then Mickey complaints about fatigue.