Haris Sohail dropped from the ODI squad

[MRSN]

unfair treatment with Haris continues...we have 53+ averaging players being treated like this , on the other hand players averaging 34 are making test debut..This is some merit..well done Pakistan selectors.:ahmed

 

[Down2Earth]

Our selectors really know what they're doing

 

[akamaka]

Poor guy, will have to score a ton of runs for the next 1-2 seasons to get recognized again. Surely Whatmore, Misbah, someone should have enough guts to demand answers from selectors for Haris and Rizwan being dropped.

 

[GreenKnightRises]

All hail PCB selectors. Harris's non selection was justified by the inclusion of 27 averaged Asad Shafiq who has been a walking wicket

 

[pakistani pride]

captain and coach are chickens. they should speak up. you cant carry so many losers and win games.
shafiq
shezad
afridi

shameless !

 

[indian_sap]

Haris should have been in and Asad out...hopefully he doesn't go down in the history books as another Fawad

 

[Invasion 550]

Really disappionted with this decision as well. Why drop haris without giving him a proper chance?

 

[zabalestmsm]

Bad decision! If u can give Asad Shafiq endless opportunities in ODIs why not to him?? His List-A record is good.. Averaging above 40!

 

[MRSN]

Haris should have been in and Asad out...hopefully he doesn't go down in the history books as another Fawad

at least Fawad got 52 International games before being ignored but this guy hasn't even made his test debut and got 2-3 ODIs batting at a lower order position..

 

[Sam18696]

Whats so special about Haris again?

 

[Bullet Drive]

Please can someone ask why Haris has been left out for Shafiq? Haris's last disimissal was an unbelievable catch.

Also please ask why we have 4 left armers and not even ONE right arm fast bowlre.

 

[lonex]

Idiotic selection. Give the man fair chance

 

[90MPH]

Tbh I see nothing really special in Harris. Not sure why there is so much hype about him.

He should have been given another chance though.

 

[Mighty Khan]

Moin had to get his man in Safarz also no need for Shafiq in this format.

 

[Arsal_AK]

Best upcoming player in the domestic in all the three formats is not able to find a place in the team.Pathetic selection.

 

[Asif321]

i think because of fitness , it was told he was unfit so he missed out on Test squad vs SA here also i feel its same case , Sharjeel is ignored too cause of this reason

 

[KB-24]

He has officially joined the Fawad Alam boat ... Amin is the new golden boy for PCB although he has barely begun his career and finds himself in captaincy talks too

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

if amin looked like fawad i doubt his career would have progressed so much. Having said that he has grabbed his chances in recent times

 

[KB-24]

if amin looked like fawad i doubt his career would have progressed so much. Having said that he has grabbed his chances in recent times

2 innings against Zimbabwe doesn't put you in contention for captaincy let alone getting superstar treatment ahead of better players ... I do want Amin in the team but Haris and Fawad should be far ahead of him in the pecking order but obviously tunnel vision selectors have other ideas.

 

[Zero]

I'd rather have Sohail over Asad, to be honest.
Been treated unfairly.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

2 innings against Zimbabwe doesn't put you in contention for captaincy let alone getting superstar treatment ahead of better players ... I do want Amin in the team but Haris and Fawad should be far ahead of him in the pecking order but obviously tunnel vision selectors have other ideas.

thats what i mean , if Amin did not look handsome, look great when he is at the crease ( even Mark Waugh likes the 'look' of him) and speak good english i doubt he would be where he is now

 

[Executioner]

I saw nothing special in Haris

but yet, its funny how talented individuals are not getting picked in what many think is the weakest batting lineup in ODIs.

 

[asifp]

Our batting line up in ODI in England could not get 200 for a reason. It was simple

hackers like Malik and Shafiq were in the playing XI, while proper batsman like Fawad Alam, Harris Sohail and Umar Akmal were sitting at home

 

[Fahdi]

I have never said or thought of something so low before but perhaps there really is some regional bias involved here. No way does Asad Shafiq deserve to replace Haris and i am on of Shafiq's greatest admirers.

 

[aukhan]

Sadly he looks out of favor now, he was not as good as some people made him out to be. His batting stance reminded me of farhat and his fitness is poor too. He lied to the management about his injury once even if he was in the squad i doubt they would have played him over Future ATG Umer Amin.

 

[saiyan0312]

ASAD shafiq is not an ODI player. He is a test player. Haris should have been given a go. I hope he wont disappear. A selectors know how to groom players.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Haris going down the Fawad Alam route.

 

[hadi123]

feel sorry for him, didn't get given a consistent chance yet Shafiq stays there! a good season though he'll be back hopefully

 

[Saj]

Yes apparently he didn't carry the drinks or the towels very well in Zimbabwe.

 

[AZ]

or have the required fitness and agility in the field.

needs to improve considerably in that department.

 

[Zero]

From the little I saw of him, he seems a somewhat decent fielder, definitely better than Jamshed.
Besides, if Jamshed can get in because of his batting, and despite of his sub-par fielding, why would it be fair to leave out Haris Sohail on the same basis?

 

[AZ]

because Jamshed makes centuries and is a matchwinner, and you have quite a few middle order options as compared to openers.

 

[Sherlock]

What little I've seen of Haris I've been disappointed with. The constant clamouring of our supporters for him to be included is quiet amusing yet inevitable.

 

[Hawkeye]

Stop blowing things out of proportion guys.

Amin, Sohaib and Harris were the three waiting line.

The selectors have chosen Umar Amin and Sohaib Maqsood, left out Harris for a while.
How come it's such a big issue? Do you think the entire team can be replaced AT ONCE?

And I see a lot of double standards here.
Bullet Drive's favorite Ahmed "tendulkar" Shehzad has averaged 26 at 60 SR in almost 30 innings.
He's not outraged at that!! Why not Khurram instead of this hack and TTF???


Get over it!! There are things which armchair generals can't see and judge.
There's a reason behind selectors going for Amin and Maqsood, who see them extensively and can judge.

 

[farazaidi]

From the little I saw of him, he seems a somewhat decent fielder, definitely better than Jamshed.
Besides, if Jamshed can get in because of his batting, and despite of his sub-par fielding, why would it be fair to leave out Haris Sohail on the same basis?

They had a fitness camp before the tour of WI and Haris Sohail and Raza Hasan finished last. Its not just about athletic fielding, its about sustaining a minimum standard of fitness to last entire matches.

I'm disappointed at his non-selection too but that is not as bad as Rizwan being dumped again

 

[PakGirl!]

Quite disappointed!I think he has been dropped before being given a fair chance!should have been selected ahead of Shafiq who is not an ODI player..

 

[Zero]

They had a fitness camp before the tour of WI and Haris Sohail and Raza Hasan finished last. Its not just about athletic fielding, its about sustaining a minimum standard of fitness to last entire matches.

I'm disappointed at his non-selection too but that is not as bad as Rizwan being dumped again

Oooh, so endurance?
Wasn't aware of that, apologies.

 

[in_cutter]

Some ppl are never statisfied are they? Not every youngsta beauty has a place in the side

 

[Executioner]

While many of you are claiming that Misbah is the sole culprit behind the non-selection of youngsters.

Now, this would have been appropriate 1-2 years ago when Misbah especially in LOIs had not delivered much and hence his spot in the lineup was under scrutiny. It would make no sense at this point of time because Misbah is simply irreplacable unless he loses his form. The blame goes to the selectors and coaching staff only, mainly the former.

Its hard to understand how a youngster is selected for a series and later discarded, when it would have been much better if he was NOT selected in the first place and instead, spent some time in the domestics. There is no doubt that among all the international teams, Pakistani players are the weakest mentally and hence when these youngsters are dropped, their is a sense of dissappointment. We could have said that for BD and Indians, but both teams have their own premier league where even the locals get exposure whilst Pakistani players are deprived from international cricket at their home ground and to make matters worse their players are unfairly barred by their own board to participate in BPL and IPL. There is no question regarding how important it is for the youngsters to wear the Pakistan cap. What warming the bench does is simply wasting their time during a crucial development period. 18-25 is the prime time for a player to develop and once this period is over, only the exceptional ones develop well. Furthermore, they are made to feel that "You are not good enough for Pakistan team". This applies for the batsman and allrounders. Bowlers are given enough oppurtunities due to injury of key bowlers, and as for WK batsman well all of them are quite ordinary.

If someone like Gul or say afridi is benched then it should not be much of a problem to them, well other than hurting their bloated egos. Now as Haris goes back to Pakistan, he will be dissappointed and this will circle his mind "Am I really not good enough to get into such a weak lineup?" Some players will work harder and try to change the reality, but for majority of Pakistani cricketer it will be quite the opposite.

And hence me theory, why Pakistani youngsters have not delivered

 

[srh]

Lot of people here dont have the knowledge and still makes statements.

Haris Sohail is dropped for Shoaib Maqsood. Haris Sohail was in the last squad and so was Asad Shafiq. Shaoib Maqsood was not in the last squad. In the current squad Harris Sohail is dropped, Asad Shariq is retained and Shoaib Maqsood is the new batsman selected. So selectors have dropped Harris Sohail for Shoaib Maqsood.

I hope its now clear.

 

[FasihHeadtickler]

I dont see anything special in Haris he is just an over-hyped player and I hate Shafiq the most annoying moment was when he as selected for t20 world cup.I hope Maqsood is of some use and I tip Umer Amin to be vice-captain and Amin 1000 times better than Haris Sohail

 

[JibranAnsari]

Should have been in the test squad , not a good limited overs player anyways.

 

[Sherlock]

As I said before, he needs immense time in Domestic/A Tour etc. It's come too soon for him.

 

[Madplayer]

I dont see anything special in Haris he is just an over-hyped player and I hate Shafiq the most annoying moment was when he as selected for t20 world cup.I hope Maqsood is of some use and I tip Umer Amin to be vice-captain and Amin 1000 times better than Haris Sohail

haris sohail is way better than umar amin.

 

[godzilla]

Stop blowing things out of proportion guys.

Amin, Sohaib and Harris were the three waiting line.

The selectors have chosen Umar Amin and Sohaib Maqsood, left out Harris for a while.
How come it's such a big issue? Do you think the entire team can be replaced AT ONCE?

And I see a lot of double standards here.
Bullet Drive's favorite Ahmed "tendulkar" Shehzad has averaged 26 at 60 SR in almost 30 innings.
He's not outraged at that!! Why not Khurram instead of this hack and TTF???


Get over it!! There are things which armchair generals can't see and judge.
There's a reason behind selectors going for Amin and Maqsood, who see them extensively and can judge.

do they? who are the selectors and how many games do they watch? i think the reason theres an outrage at this decision is that no one has any confidence in the selectors at all, and suspect very strongly that the reason is precisely because they dont watch the players extensively and have no clue what they are doing.

agree with you on shehzad though, i dont think he is international quality, or if he is hes given every indication that he is very ordinary. haris and alam should be first on the lists given their performances. i dont understand maqsoods selection either, other than him having some filial connection to the finance minister apparently. one good innigs granted, but lets see what else he brings to the table, if i were a betting man i would wager not much.

 

[sam_ahm]

extremely sad and unfair for Haris, hopefully though he will come back!

 

[yadunoe]

even if they chose haris he wouldnt of played anyways

 

[MRSN]

Should be called back for SA tour for Asad Shafiq..He can't do worse than these so called One day specialists.

 

[shakil]

Harris is much much better than the sorry excuse Amin. How can a player perform straight away when he is given chance at the lower order when hitting is required. 3 Matches are too less to judge a batsman

 

[Bullet Drive]

In Sha Allah he gets a call up.

Won't happen though.

 

[indian_sap]

Give him a call-up quick

 

[Hamza_]

How on earth was this guy dropped? Hes scored a half century in CLT20 under tough conditions, has been scoring very heavily in domestic how on earth were Shafiq and Amin better then him......

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Who cares how he looks, fact is he does well domestically

When umar amin averages in the 30s and fails we should not be surprised


Give Sohail a decent run at 4 and let's see what happens, that or be content with younis and Malik cursing us for a bit longer

 

[Usman]

Ok recalling Haris is a bad idea.

Haris is scoring heavily in first class cricket. He rightfully deserves a spot in the test squad. His list A average is not great. His selection simply can't be justified. If he's selected, he is likely to perform badly and end up being discarded in all formats, even though his performance at first class level remains strong.

Select guys who are doing well in List A cricket. These are guys like Sharjeel Khan, Khurram Manzoor, Azhar Ali, Fawad Alam. Don't ruin Haris's career by selecting him in a format where he simply doesn't do well.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Ok recalling Haris is a bad idea.

Haris is scoring heavily in first class cricket. He rightfully deserves a spot in the test squad. His list A average is not great. His selection simply can't be justified. If he's selected, he is likely to perform badly and end up being discarded in all formats, even though his performance at first class level remains strong.

Select guys who are doing well in List A cricket. These are guys like Sharjeel Khan, Khurram Manzoor, Azhar Ali, Fawad Alam. Don't ruin Haris's career by selecting him in a format where he simply doesn't do well.

Disagree compared to other formats he has t played much list a and his domestic average is still over 40, he is good form right now as well and he averages 60 in t20 and 51 in first class

Should be given a run at 4

 

[Usman]

Disagree compared to other formats he has t played much list a and his domestic average is still over 40, he is good form right now as well and he averages 60 in t20 and 51 in first class

Should be given a run at 4

His List A average is 36 with 5 fifties and no hundreds in 26 matches. I know PP loves to hype people up, like with Umer Amin, but people need to separate fact from fiction. His List A career is not much different to Umer Amin's List A record. Stop living in fantasy.

Selecting players with a poor list A record means you get Umer Amin. Select people with a strong record means you get Shoaib Maqsood. That's why I want the players with the best record to be selected and those are, by some distance, Sharjeel Khan, Azhar Ali, Fawad Alam and Khurram Manzoor.

 

[Hawkeye]

It's funny the same people who are obsessed with domestic averages and bash players like Umar Amin for bad list A average want Haris Sohail in ODIs.

Haris has a VERY POOR LIST A average and record.
Infact, Shehzad, Umar Akmal, Jamshed, Shafiq, Hafeez

All of them have pathetic domestic record with early 30s avg.

Yet some people who denounce others for bad average are biased in favor of players like Shehzad, Umar and Haris who have pathetic record.

In the team, ONLY MISBAH AND MAQSOOD are technically on merit and have great domestic record.
Both above 45 list A average.

Yet average obsessed guys want their personal favorites and malign others having same poor average.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

His List A average is 36 with 5 fifties and no hundreds in 26 matches. I know PP loves to hype people up, like with Umer Amin, but people need to separate fact from fiction. His List A career is not much different to Umer Amin's List A record. Stop living in fantasy.

you are taking everything out of context.

he is a top 4 batsman who got 3 innings, some of which he was asked to bat below afridi, prior to that he averaged 40 in List A

Nothing special but you consider his first class average and even t20 average it is you who is living in fantasy to say he is no different to amin

 

[Madplayer]

It's funny the same people who are obsessed with domestic averages and bash players like Umar Amin for bad list A average want Haris Sohail in ODIs.

Haris has a VERY POOR LIST A average and record.
Infact, Shehzad, Umar Akmal, Jamshed, Shafiq, Hafeez

All of them have pathetic domestic record with early 30s avg.

Yet some people who denounce others for bad average are biased in favor of players like Shehzad, Umar and Haris who have pathetic record.

In the team, ONLY MISBAH AND MAQSOOD are technically on merit and have great domestic record.
Both above 45 list A average.

Yet average obsessed guys want their personal favorites and malign others having same poor average.

Do u know what haris' last 8-10 list A scores are? His S/R?

 

[farazaidi]

Haris is a good talent but has A LOT of work to do before he gets recalled. His fitness levels are not upto the mark and has to improve his fielding too.

 

[shakil]

Haris averages 40@Strike Rate of 90+ in list A (excluding ODIs)

 

[EarthBoltX]

Haris averages 40@Strike Rate of 90+ in list A (excluding ODIs)

You should include ODI stats.

Those are the numbers that matter. And they aren't good.

 

[Madplayer]

You should include ODI stats.

Those are the numbers that matter. And they aren't good.

Lol he has only batted in 2 ODIs . And all u need is 2 ODIs to decide that he is bad?

 

[shakil]

You should include ODI stats.

Those are the numbers that matter. And they aren't good.

No they are good. Otherwise even Inzimam's and Saeed Anwar's LA stats aren't good either

 

[Hawkeye]

Do u know what haris' last 8-10 list A scores are? His S/R?

Doesn't matter.
Amin was selected based on performance in the most recently concluded entire domestic season.
He was among the top scorers and a beast.
But still average-obsessed PPers looked at overall average and career and maligned him.

And you don't select a player based on few matches either. They need to perform consistently, like Maqsood and Misbah are doing.

Haris averages 40@Strike Rate of 90+ in list A (excluding ODIs)

Nice try. Here's a revelation for you:
Average: 36
100s: NONE
50s: 5

Pathetic record. It's another story Hafeez, Jamshed, Shehzad, Shafiq, Umar Akmal have similar poor domestic record.

Only exceptions are Maqsood and Misbah who average above 45

 

[shakil]

Nice try. Here's a revelation for you:
Average: 36
100s: NONE
50s: 5

Pathetic record. It's another story Hafeez, Jamshed, Shehzad, Shafiq, Umar Akmal have similar poor domestic record.

Only exceptions are Maqsood and Misbah who average above 45

And here is something for you to learn today

Two of our greatest players, Inzimam averages 37 in List A and Saeed Anwar 38.

You must be living on planet Mars or something if you think these List A averages (including ODIs) are mediocre.

 

[The intelligent Supporter]

Doesn't matter.
Amin was selected based on performance in the most recently concluded entire domestic season.
He was among the top scorers and a beast.
But still average-obsessed PPers looked at overall average and career and maligned him.

And you don't select a player based on few matches either. They need to perform consistently, like Maqsood and Misbah are doing.


Nice try. Here's a revelation for you:
Average: 36
100s: NONE
50s: 5

Pathetic record. It's another story Hafeez, Jamshed, Shehzad, Shafiq, Umar Akmal have similar poor domestic record.



Only exceptions are Maqsood and Misbah who average above 45

So now you have brought Misbah into discussion about Youngsters..Well done

 

[shakil]

Nice try. Here's a revelation for you:
Average: 36
100s: NONE
50s: 5

That is because he has only played a handful of matches, something like 20, chum

 

[Hawkeye]

And here is something for you to learn today

Two of our greatest players, Inzimam averages 37 in List A and Saeed Anwar 38.

You must be living on planet Mars or something if you think these List A averages (including ODIs) are mediocre.

those averages are spread over a HUGE number of matches and Inzi had a MUCH MUCH higher average till middle of his career. BTW Yousuf averages 40+

And yes, I'm not one of the lot who thinks ONLY average is everything.
Though, most on PP think so, and bash people like Amin for that who has the technique to be good and learn.
Examples are even in THIS thread!

However, I've learnt that there is a shocking correlation between ListA and ODI averages.

Mohammad Yousuf, Misbah, Inzi, Saeed Anwar, Shehzad, Hafeez, Umar Akmal, Jamshed = you'll find similarity in listA/ODI avegage.

Even Kohli, Dhoni, Rohit Sharma.

Harris has played 3 ODIs and was poor in them. I'm not saying he's a poor ODI bat based on that. I'm just referring to his POOR List A record.

And many on PakPassion judge batsmen on domestic records.

 

[Hawkeye]

That is because he has only played a handful of matches, something like 20, chum

You're trying to defend someone with a nothing argument.

Harris: 26 matches
Zero 100s
Five 50s,
Average: 36 (poor)

Sharjeel Khan:
29 matches
Four 100s
Seven 50s
Average: 51.96 (this is highest in PAKISTAN. Both Sohaib & Sharjeel have same avg)

Sami Aslam:
14 matches, already one 100 and SIX 50s




These guys deserve to be in the team much more than Harris, who has a poor List A record. Just talking about merit, nothing else.

However, I'd like to see him in the test squad.

 

[Fahdi]

Doesn't matter.
Amin was selected based on performance in the most recently concluded entire domestic season.
He was among the top scorers and a beast.
But still average-obsessed PPers looked at overall average and career and maligned him.

And you don't select a player based on few matches either. They need to perform consistently, like Maqsood and Misbah are doing.


Nice try. Here's a revelation for you:
Average: 36
100s: NONE
50s: 5

Pathetic record. It's another story Hafeez, Jamshed, Shehzad, Shafiq, Umar Akmal have similar poor domestic record.

Only exceptions are Maqsood and Misbah who average above 45

That average has gone down just now when he was selected he averaged 40+ with a good SR in domestic. He and Sohaib were by far the best batsmen in domestic cricket last year.

 

[sam_ahm]

I think Sherjeel Khan is an opener and should be rightfully selected in place of Hafeez while Haris should be given a go in place of Amin, Shafiq should also make way for a better player like Fawad or anyone else who is deserving of a call up.

 

[shakil]

You're trying to defend someone with a nothing argument.

Harris: 26 matches
Zero 100s
Five 50s,
Average: 36 (poor)

Sharjeel Khan:
29 matches
Four 100s
Seven 50s
Average: 51.96 (this is highest in PAKISTAN. Both Sohaib & Sharjeel have same avg)

Did I say anywhere that Sharjeel shouldn't be selected? And my point still stands that you cannot drop someone who got only 2 real chances

 

[shakil]

those averages are spread over a HUGE number of matches and Inzi had a MUCH MUCH higher average till middle of his career.

Either 36/37/38 are poor averages for List A or they are not

 

[JibranAnsari]

Openers in domestic 50-50 have more chaces of getting hundred.

Khalid latif has 11 hundreds
khurram manzoor has 9

Middle order batsmen do not score many hundreds in our domestic.

 

[Madplayer]

You're trying to defend someone with a nothing argument.

Harris: 26 matches
Zero 100s
Five 50s,
Average: 36 (poor)

Sharjeel Khan:
29 matches
Four 100s
Seven 50s
Average: 51.96 (this is highest in PAKISTAN. Both Sohaib & Sharjeel have same avg)

Sami Aslam:
14 matches, already one 100 and SIX 50s




These guys deserve to be in the team much more than Harris, who has a poor List A record. Just talking about merit, nothing else.

However, I'd like to see him in the test squad.

You are not realizing the fact that all the players u have mentioned are openers. We need middle order batters too. Average of 40 at a strike rate of 90 is a perfect number 5 batsman. That is haris. Umar amin is mediocre in all formats, no hope for him.

 

[srh]

Are there any domestic middle order players who average more than 36/40 in List-A? They should be selected first before Haris Sohail for ODIs.

 

[MRSN]

All hail PCB selectors. Harris's non selection was justified by the inclusion of 27 averaged Asad Shafiq who has been a walking wicket

Harris is dropped without a fair chance. And incomes ever struggling Asad Shafiq.

Perfect. And people think Misbah didn't favor his friends over young players.

I'm only bumping this to remind what kind of treatment was handed to Haris Sohail. Some people are trying to justify the unfair treatment he got under Misbah.

 

[Syed1]

No matter how many threads you bump it won't change the fact that Haris was hard done by Gentleman. Now we can only hope his dark era comes to an end asap so that we can move on.

 

[msb314]

No matter how many threads you bump it won't change the fact that Haris was hard done by Gentleman. Now we can only hope his dark era comes to an end asap so that we can move on.

This +1

Regardless of how PSL goes for Haris - I would still draft him into the ODI team for the WI tour in a heartbeat.