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I am talking about their global appeal and not how they are viewed in Britain. They are popular worldwide because of the Diana influence. Without her, the world wouldn’t care about them just like they don’t care about other monarchies.

They lucked out on having one of the most revered personalities in the world of her time and they have benefited from her popularity in spite of chucking her out.

Could be for some people.. but don’t see people in America really care about her.

I can understand why privileged women might, coz they want the power on platter and then make a difference unlike French and American women that fight for it get it and make a difference.
 
Fake is not the right word. They are royals after all, and the British society have preserved their royalty. Will it be forever? Most probably not, but I am not sure what is fake about it.

Fake is their righteousness, they have always portrayed that and not just them case is same with Thai monarchy or even Arab ones.
 
So this Suits actress really tore the palace up singlehandedly huh.
 
She is no one to break the old boring traditional ways. I believe her father and bother were right about her. She is an opportunist and it has backfired because she probably didn’t expect to be casted out in this fashion.

There are a few traditions, good or bad, that need to be upheld. The Royal Family did not need a revolution. Harry did not respect his family honor and now he has to live with it.

Her step father and step siblings wouldn't give a damn about what she does with her life, they had nothing to say when she was pursuing her Hollywood career but it is all too convenient for them to start coming out in the media when she became a part of the Royal family.

Harry is no baby he was a grown up adult who married her in his mid 30's and has fought tooth and nail for her with his family and is now giving up everything to be with her. Good on him, brave step that will serve as a precedent for future royals
 
I am talking about their global appeal and not how they are viewed in Britain. They are popular worldwide because of the Diana influence. Without her, the world wouldn’t care about them just like they don’t care about other monarchies.

They lucked out on having one of the most revered personalities in the world of her time and they have benefited from her popularity in spite of chucking her out.

Diana certainly had an influence, but only to an extent. The British Royal Family also retains its popularity due to the Queen remaining the head of state of multiple countries such as Australia and Canada, not to mention the numerous countries they historically ruled over who still retain a cursory interest in them.
 
The Duke of Sussex has said he is "taking a leap of faith" in stepping back from being a senior royal, saying "there really was no other option".

Speaking at an event on Sunday evening, Prince Harry said he and Meghan had hoped to continue serving the Queen, but without public funding.

Unfortunately, that wasn't possible," he said.

It was his first speech since the couple said they wanted to stand down from being full-time working royals.

But the prince said he wanted to make it clear he and Meghan were "not walking away".

"The UK is my home and a place that I love, that will never change," he said.

Earlier this month, Prince Harry and Meghan said they intended "to step back as 'senior' members of the Royal Family and work to become financially independent".

Beginning his speech at a fund-raising reception in central London for Sentebale, the charity he co-founded which helps children living with HIV in southern Africa, he said: "I can only imagine what you may have heard and perhaps read over the past few weeks.

"So I want you to hear the truth from me as much as I can share, not as a prince or a duke but as Harry."

During his address, the prince said he would always have "the utmost respect for my grandmother, my commander in chief".

"Our hope was to continue serving the Queen, the Commonwealth, and my military associations, but without public funding. Unfortunately, that wasn't possible," he said.

"I've accepted this, knowing that it doesn't change who I am or how committed I am."

As part of a deal finalised on Saturday between the Queen, senior royals, and the couple, Harry and Meghan agreed they will no longer formally represent the monarch.

From the spring, they will stop using their HRH titles and withdraw from royal duties, including official military appointments.

However, the statement by Buckingham Palace said they would continue to maintain their private patronages and associations.

'Years of challenges'
In the speech, posted on the couple's Instagram account, the prince said that when he and Meghan were married "we were excited, we were hopeful, and we were here to serve".

"For those reasons, it brings me great sadness that it has come to this.

"The decision that I have made for my wife and I to step back is not one I made lightly," he said.

"It was so many months of talks after so many years of challenges and I know I haven't always got it right, but as far as this goes there really was no other option."

The couple said they plan to divide their time between the UK and Canada, after they spent six weeks on Vancouver Island with their son Archie over Christmas.

The prince told attendees it was a "privilege... to feel your excitement for our son Archie, who saw snow for the first time the other day and thought it was bloody brilliant!"

The duchess is currently staying on Canada's west coast with her son, after briefly returning to the UK earlier this month.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51170973
 
The queen/king has the power authority to request the pm to step down if they are not to their liking but other than that their responsibilities and duties are purely symbolic and ceremonial.

But I grant that they are perhaps the only royal family with some level of celebrity status. Lol you don't see the world paparazzi clicking daily on the Saudi royal family
 
The queen/king has the power authority to request the pm to step down if they are not to their liking but other than that their responsibilities and duties are purely symbolic and ceremonial.

But I grant that they are perhaps the only royal family with some level of celebrity status. Lol you don't see the world paparazzi clicking daily on the Saudi royal family

Thai Monarchy is even more popular and powerful with their subjects, ppl cried when their king died, it almost seemed they were brainwashed imho.
 
Why should Meghan respect the royal family - they are like any other - She married Harry, not his family. If anything, its the royalty & their adherence to irrelevant, out-dated customs which seems fake in today’s society.

Besides Harry is not the heir to the throne, so if he wants to break away from the intense scrutiny of being a royal, well doesn’t that sound normal? If i remember right he always was a bit of an outlier - never was as stodgy as his brother, the heir.

She married Harry and not his family? Are you for real? Do you think she would have given a second look to some ginger nobody if he wasn't the son of the Crown Prince of England?

She is a jumped up actress who managed to turn the royal head of Prince Harry. She milked it for what it was worth and is now heading home with the royal Prince on a leash. She should have been deported before she had a chance to drag the royal family through the mud, but as long as she goes one way or another we'll be well shot of her.
 
She married Harry and not his family? Are you for real? Do you think she would have given a second look to some ginger nobody if he wasn't the son of the Crown Prince of England?

She is a jumped up actress who managed to turn the royal head of Prince Harry. She milked it for what it was worth and is now heading home with the royal Prince on a leash. She should have been deported before she had a chance to drag the royal family through the mud, but as long as she goes one way or another we'll be well shot of her.

Harry is a grown adult who was in his mid 30's when he made his marital decisions. Unfair to throw abuse at her, he is making these decisions on his own and will have to accept full responsibility. She was not exactly a failure before she married him and not exactly a commoner either, she was worth $6-10 million on her own before.

She definately makes him feel different compared to all the previous girls he has been with and has given him certain things that he could never find in the royal household. I suspect Harry always wanted out of the royal family and now he found his path. Its not like he is going to be a failure, he has a potential net flix series deal in the background and will definately be involved in the lecture circuit and will be requested by many companies, ngos to be their brand ambassador and sponsor. He can potentially end up making ten twenty times more money in comparison to the entire royal family alone with the added benefit of living a life of independence and not having to answer to any of his relatives from his previous life. Good on them.
 
Lol at these people calling Meghan a gold digger. Why cant the same arguments be made for Kate? Yes she was Williams childhood sweetheart and they had been together for a good 8-10 years in college and outside but some might still argue she specifically targetted him knowing she could one day end up getting into the royal family. I personally like Kate, i find her very professional with total British mannerisms, reminds me of my High School Principal who used to run a school in Karachi.
 
Harry is a grown adult who was in his mid 30's when he made his marital decisions. Unfair to throw abuse at her, he is making these decisions on his own and will have to accept full responsibility. She was not exactly a failure before she married him and not exactly a commoner either, she was worth $6-10 million on her own before.

She definately makes him feel different compared to all the previous girls he has been with and has given him certain things that he could never find in the royal household. I suspect Harry always wanted out of the royal family and now he found his path. Its not like he is going to be a failure, he has a potential net flix series deal in the background and will definately be involved in the lecture circuit and will be requested by many companies, ngos to be their brand ambassador and sponsor. He can potentially end up making ten twenty times more money in comparison to the entire royal family alone with the added benefit of living a life of independence and not having to answer to any of his relatives from his previous life. Good on them.


So Harry wants out of the Royal Family but is still going to milk his royalty and benefit from his family.

The only reason he is going to get Netflix deals and brand endorsements is because of his family. Without them he is a nobody.

What a hypocrite. He has allowed the gold digger Meghan to delude him. He is clearly under her spell and not thinking straight.
 
Lol at these people calling Meghan a gold digger. Why cant the same arguments be made for Kate? Yes she was Williams childhood sweetheart and they had been together for a good 8-10 years in college and outside but some might still argue she specifically targetted him knowing she could one day end up getting into the royal family. I personally like Kate, i find her very professional with total British mannerisms, reminds me of my High School Principal who used to run a school in Karachi.

Kate belongs to a British aristocrat family with historic ties to the crown.

Meghan is an American who was taking pictures outside Buckingham Palace 15 years ago to upload on her MySpace.

They are hardly comparable.
 
Kate belongs to a British aristocrat family with historic ties to the crown.

Meghan is an American who was taking pictures outside Buckingham Palace 15 years ago to upload on her MySpace.

They are hardly comparable.

Makes me chuckle , yeah she did it!
 
She married Harry and not his family? Are you for real? Do you think she would have given a second look to some ginger nobody if he wasn't the son of the Crown Prince of England?

She is a jumped up actress who managed to turn the royal head of Prince Harry. She milked it for what it was worth and is now heading home with the royal Prince on a leash. She should have been deported before she had a chance to drag the royal family through the mud, but as long as she goes one way or another we'll be well shot of her.

She won’t be happy about this arrangement either. She was probably hoping to become a new Diana type figure but the Queen has called her bluff.

People can say what they want, but she didn’t marry Harry to break away from the Royal Family and live off Netflix shows and brand endorsements.

None of this has gone according to the script that she had in mind.
 
Kate belongs to a British aristocrat family with historic ties to the crown.

Meghan is an American who was taking pictures outside Buckingham Palace 15 years ago to upload on her MySpace.

They are hardly comparable.

Actually Meghan has links to British Royal family as well through her dad.
 
Actually Meghan has links to British Royal family as well through her dad.

That is quite a reach though. I read somewhere that one of her distant ancestors married some British colonist before the independence of U.S. if I am not wrong.

If we go back centuries than plenty of people can claim Royal links one way or the other.
 
She married Harry and not his family? Are you for real? Do you think she would have given a second look to some ginger nobody if he wasn't the son of the Crown Prince of England?

She is a jumped up actress who managed to turn the royal head of Prince Harry. She milked it for what it was worth and is now heading home with the royal Prince on a leash. She should have been deported before she had a chance to drag the royal family through the mud, but as long as she goes one way or another we'll be well shot of her.

So basically its like how dare a commoner - a bi-racial American actress marry a 30 year old man-child Prince who can’t think for himself? She has to be a gold-digger who bewitched him & led him astray from his family, right?

No wonder they are running away to Canada
 
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So Harry wants out of the Royal Family but is still going to milk his royalty and benefit from his family.

The only reason he is going to get Netflix deals and brand endorsements is because of his family. Without them he is a nobody.

What a hypocrite. He has allowed the gold digger Meghan to delude him. He is clearly under her spell and not thinking straight.

Exactly. He is only going to get any deals because of his links to the royal family. He owes everything to his bloodline. Meghan wouldn't have given him a second look if he was Harry Bloggs earning 30k a year in some nondescript job.
 
Lol at these people calling Meghan a gold digger. Why cant the same arguments be made for Kate? Yes she was Williams childhood sweetheart and they had been together for a good 8-10 years in college and outside but some might still argue she specifically targetted him knowing she could one day end up getting into the royal family. I personally like Kate, i find her very professional with total British mannerisms, reminds me of my High School Principal who used to run a school in Karachi.

Kate has accepted all the duties that come with marrying into the royal famiy. She's not dragging William off to spend half the year across the atlantic. She is a credit to the realm.
 
Kate has accepted all the duties that come with marrying into the royal famiy. She's not dragging William off to spend half the year across the atlantic. She is a credit to the realm.

Some could argue she is reeping all the benefits of being a royalist and is living a luxurious life whereas Meghan and Harry are taking a bigger risk by trying their fortunes outside the royal family. Royal family life does not necessarily have to be for everyone.
 
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So Harry wants out of the Royal Family but is still going to milk his royalty and benefit from his family.

The only reason he is going to get Netflix deals and brand endorsements is because of his family. Without them he is a nobody.

What a hypocrite. He has allowed the gold digger Meghan to delude him. He is clearly under her spell and not thinking straight.

Not sure where this spiel is coming from, he hasn't exactly disowned his family, he in fact wanted to perform his royal duties and divide his time equally between Canada/USA and Great Britain but the royal family told him that he cannot be half in, half out and he decided to take a risk by being his own man from here on out.

As long as he pays his own expenses from his own legitimate Halal earnings going forward and eventually stops receiving funds from Prince Charles i don't think anyone has any grounds to complain
 
She won’t be happy about this arrangement either. She was probably hoping to become a new Diana type figure but the Queen has called her bluff.

People can say what they want, but she didn’t marry Harry to break away from the Royal Family and live off Netflix shows and brand endorsements.

None of this has gone according to the script that she had in mind.

Not sure what you are talking about but according to estimates, the couple can make easily between $100 - 500 million via a combination of Net Flix deals, brand endorsements, her acting career, speaking lecture series, they would have been receiving a pittance if they continued to stay within the royal family.

Why would any rational person be unhappy receiving $100-500 million with full independence to do what they want, how they live their lives vs $5 million living in an aristrocratic toxic environment where each and everything they do is subject to rules, regulations and permission from other powers.
 
Lol at people calling an actress with a net worth of $10 million before getting into the royal family a failed actress. She gave up all her acting engagements when her relationship with Prince Harry became public. If that is what you call failure then i don't want to know about what quantifies success then.
 
She married Harry and not his family? Are you for real? Do you think she would have given a second look to some ginger nobody if he wasn't the son of the Crown Prince of England?

She is a jumped up actress who managed to turn the royal head of Prince Harry. She milked it for what it was worth and is now heading home with the royal Prince on a leash. She should have been deported before she had a chance to drag the royal family through the mud, but as long as she goes one way or another we'll be well shot of her.

Reminds me of a dialog where zil-e-ilahi tells salim: apni muhabbat ki aag mein tum mughalon ka taaj pighla kar ek rakkasa ke pairon ki paazeb banana chahte ho.

Good that they have been severed from the royal tree. Meghan had polluted the royal family.
 
Kate belongs to a British aristocrat family with historic ties to the crown.

Meghan is an American who was taking pictures outside Buckingham Palace 15 years ago to upload on her MySpace.

They are hardly comparable.

No she doesn't, she is not aristocratic at all , not that term means anything as such to me.

Her family are middle class social climbers of the worst kind. Read up about her background and you will see
 
Unfortunately the criticism in this thread and the couple is receiving in general is from poor struggling low income or middle class people who are like "They have so much money, the nerve of them to even say or think that they have problems". People underestimate why being so rich, famous, celebrity is very hard, a lot of these people commit suicide inspite of having so much that others can only dream off.
 
No she doesn't, she is not aristocratic at all , not that term means anything as such to me.

Her family are middle class social climbers of the worst kind. Read up about her background and you will see

She is what we call in Pakistan “khandaani”. She might not be rich now but she belongs to a noble family.
 
Not sure what you are talking about but according to estimates, the couple can make easily between $100 - 500 million via a combination of Net Flix deals, brand endorsements, her acting career, speaking lecture series, they would have been receiving a pittance if they continued to stay within the royal family.

Why would any rational person be unhappy receiving $100-500 million with full independence to do what they want, how they live their lives vs $5 million living in an aristrocratic toxic environment where each and everything they do is subject to rules, regulations and permission from other powers.

Well this aristocratic toxic environment is what attracted her in the first place and why she was taking pictures outside the palace 15 years ago.

She was attracted to Harry because he belonged to the Royal Family, but now she wants to pull Harry out of there because the aristocratic environment is not the bed of roses that she was expecting.

Meanwhile puppet Harry is following her like the wind. I am sorry but it is hard for me to understand the POV of the pro-Meghan camp.
 
Not sure where this spiel is coming from, he hasn't exactly disowned his family, he in fact wanted to perform his royal duties and divide his time equally between Canada/USA and Great Britain but the royal family told him that he cannot be half in, half out and he decided to take a risk by being his own man from here on out.

You should probably say she instead of he. Harry comes across as a puppet who is taking dictations from Meghan, even if he is conflicted himself.

Why do you think she told Harry to have the cake and eat it too? By having Harry perform his royal duties and grace his family with his presence every now and then, they are going to enjoy their independence while still living as royals.

The Queen was completely justified in telling them that they cannot be half in half out. She seems to be too smart for Meghan’s tactics.

As long as he pays his own expenses from his own legitimate Halal earnings going forward and eventually stops receiving funds from Prince Charles i don't think anyone has any grounds to complain

Why eventually? If Harry truly wants to be his own man then why doesn’t he start today? Don’t take a penny from the Crown, and reject all deals and endorsements that have come his way because of his royalty.

I am sure Meghan has plenty of money of her so it wouldn’t be a problem for Harry to setup a business on her wealth. After all, he is already her puppet so I see no harm in living off her wealth as well.

A member of the Royal Family cannot really be a man/woman of his/her own, because apart from their lineage and family, they have nothing.

If they truly want to be their own persons then they have to dissociate themselves with everything that they have because of their family and start from scratch from the lowest rung of society, which is obviously not possible.

Hence, this whole attempt at being independent is a facade that will run out of steam when (if) puppet Harry comes to his senses.
 
Piers is so cringe. He has been defending the queen for over a week like his life depended on it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">*NEW COLUMN*<br>Spare me your 'patriotic' crocodile tears, Harry - you DIDN'T have to quit. You chose to ditch the Queen, the monarchy, your military comrades & your country… to become a royal Kardashian & keep Meghan happy.<a href="https://t.co/fxRax6I087">https://t.co/fxRax6I087</a> <a href="https://t.co/nQ61nol7tW">pic.twitter.com/nQ61nol7tW</a></p>— Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1219240778767257601?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Unfortunately the criticism in this thread and the couple is receiving in general is from poor struggling low income or middle class people who are like "They have so much money, the nerve of them to even say or think that they have problems". People underestimate why being so rich, famous, celebrity is very hard, a lot of these people commit suicide inspite of having so much that others can only dream off.

The criticism is not because they want to be independent. The criticism is because this whole thing is a farce.

- Meghan fell for Harry because of his royalty.

- Life as a royal isn’t what she expected, so now she wants to pull out and drag him along.

- She wants pseudo-independence, i.e. live on their own in another country but still milk his royalty by asking Harry to perform his “duties”, but the Queen obviously saw through this scheme and can you blame her?

- if Harry truly wants to be his own man, then he needs to dissociate himself from everything that is a result of his family name.

Getting away from your family and then using your family name to get around is hypocrisy.

- the pro-Meghan media, albeit in minority, are comparing her to Diana because they both have “free spirit” and don’t follow the “rule book”. Well that’s nonsense.

While Diana was indeed a free spirit, she was fully committed to her duties and obligations as a member of the Royal Family.

Her tragedy was that Charles never wanted to marry her and was coerced into the arrangement.
 
She is what we call in Pakistan “khandaani”. She might not be rich now but she belongs to a noble family.

You’re wrong dude. Her family have middle-class origins and were only given a coat of arms because of her marriage to a future king.
 
Good decision from the Queen, I am happy for Meghan.

She can have freedom now with her husband and her kid.:)
 
Reading this discussion, it suddenly dawned on me how some of the folks here have a typical “desi saas” frame of mind and want to blame everything on the”bahu” ... LMAO!

The same people who are raging that these two will be milking their former Royal status to love it up, were the ones who were initially complaining of how the tax payers are paying for the attention seeking Harry and his wife.
Same people who were raging Meghan did it for fame and royal status, are now blaming her when she wants out, have financial independence and not mooch off of UK tax payers..

I mean it’s a classic case of damned if you do and damned if you don’t, isnt it?

Why can’t we just let them be? Just because you are born in a Royal family, it doesn’t mean you should owe them everything. If you want to go live your life, I say more power to you. A human being should have the freedom to do as he/she pleases. Besides Harry paid his dues and it’s not like he was ear marked for the crown. He will never be King and the family will never rely on him or his offspring..
what ever makes him happy.. leave the guy alone!
 
Meghan always seemed a cunning woman Ready to use whatever means necessary to get what she wants.

Btw she was not some big actress. She was a middling actress at best
 
This episode hits me personally as well. I know someone very very dear to me who moved to a new home after marriage only to face disrespect, riddicule from her inlaws and a husband inspite of being 10 years older than her has turned his entire family against her and its horrifying how the family just considers the girl as an expense, imposition and are not shy of letting her know that they wish she was not around. Seeing this girl become so shot of confidence, devestated to the point where she is now needs mental health boils my blood like mad, but what can i do as we live in a litigious western society where any act of taking the law into your own hand means a life of legal and law enforcement entaglements.

In this case if Harry has stood up for the girl he loves and is prepared to leave everything he has ever known and accepted that he won't be able to get her accepted in the family but he is prepared to walk on unchartered territory then full power to this man.
 
Meghan always seemed a cunning woman Ready to use whatever means necessary to get what she wants.

Btw she was not some big actress. She was a middling actress at best

She was certainly doing better than you and I lol. She had a net worth of $10 million before marriage with Prince Harry. Prince Harry was not a doodh peeta bacha, he was a grown adult in his mid 30's who had been with numerous girls. If you feel his choice for his marital life is poor then feel free to criticize him but lets not blame Meghan for Prince Harry loving her.

This thread overall just sums up the lack of empathy in Pakistani Society
 
She was certainly doing better than you and I lol. She had a net worth of $10 million before marriage with Prince Harry. Prince Harry was not a doodh peeta bacha, he was a grown adult in his mid 30's who had been with numerous girls. If you feel his choice for his marital life is poor then feel free to criticize him but lets not blame Meghan for Prince Harry loving her.

This thread overall just sums up the lack of empathy in Pakistani Society
I Don’t think it’s lack of empathy. I think it’s the underlying “most Pakistanis are momma’s boys” syndrome. We love our mothers and we blindly believe that all mothers are RIGHT, and the new addition to the family “the daughter in law” is always wrong.

My point is be that as it may, why can’t we just let them be? Harry wants his own life whether he has been duped into it or not is a separate issue. Why are most people begrudging him for the decision?
 
I Don’t think it’s lack of empathy. I think it’s the underlying “most Pakistanis are momma’s boys” syndrome. We love our mothers and we blindly believe that all mothers are RIGHT, and the new addition to the family “the daughter in law” is always wrong.

My point is be that as it may, why can’t we just let them be? Harry wants his own life whether he has been duped into it or not is a separate issue. Why are most people begrudging him for the decision?

I would like to add that no god fearing empathetic morally correct woman will or should allow anyone to mistreat a new daughter in law who has come into the family.

Being a momas boy where you are always listening to your mother and attending to her needs, request is a different matter from a new daughter in law being mistreated in the family
 
Reading this discussion, it suddenly dawned on me how some of the folks here have a typical “desi saas” frame of mind and want to blame everything on the”bahu” ... LMAO!

The same people who are raging that these two will be milking their former Royal status to love it up, were the ones who were initially complaining of how the tax payers are paying for the attention seeking Harry and his wife.
Same people who were raging Meghan did it for fame and royal status, are now blaming her when she wants out, have financial independence and not mooch off of UK tax payers..

I mean it’s a classic case of damned if you do and damned if you don’t, isnt it?

Why can’t we just let them be?
Just because you are born in a Royal family, it doesn’t mean you should owe them everything. If you want to go live your life, I say more power to you. A human being should have the freedom to do as he/she pleases. Besides Harry paid his dues and it’s not like he was ear marked for the crown. He will never be King and the family will never rely on him or his offspring..
what ever makes him happy.. leave the guy alone!

Once they do not spend a single penny of the taxpayer, I agree let them be. It's a poor actress and a ginger bloke with nothing about him. Let them stop using peoples money first, unless you want to pay them out of your own pocket? I don't think you do :)
 
I would like to add that no god fearing empathetic morally correct woman will or should allow anyone to mistreat a new daughter in law who has come into the family.

Being a momas boy where you are always listening to your mother and attending to her needs, request is a different matter from a new daughter in law being mistreated in the family

True.. very true but it further proves my point. No matter what happens, our instinctive reaction is to blame the new addition.. I.e the daughter in law. I am not even debating whether rightly or wrongly!

It’s just a given in our culture that if it’s your family you will always side with the queen mother! There are no ifs and buts there.. And that mentality it sort of showing up in this topic as well. We refuse to accept even the chance of probability that the queen mother (I am using this term for desi mothers because most of them are treated like queens) could be at fault. That it could be a simple clash of personalities, not who is right or wrong, simply a disagreement on certain things but the queen mother always prevails as she is the head of the family or holds a superior position in the family...

Let’s face it, this sort of ideology is deeply entrenched in our culture. And when this causes someone to rebel, they are turned into evil human beings. I am not claiming that’s the case with Harry, simply stating how is desis usually perceive things.

More specifically to the topic, I would suggest why can’t we accept that Harry’s past experiences with the bull headed British media may have something to do with his decision? Why it is a folly to put the entire blame on Markle without even getting into the details and firmly believing she is a gold digger or limelight craver, when in light of the recent development, all the evidence is pointing to the contrary?
 
Once they do not spend a single penny of the taxpayer, I agree let them be. It's a poor actress and a ginger bloke with nothing about him. Let them stop using peoples money first, unless you want to pay them out of your own pocket? I don't think you do :)

As an American, I would say you yourself are to blame if you agreed to foot the bill for the royal family. You did so and while Harry and his wife were royals, you had to do it.. so quit your whining. Now that is not the case anymore, I believe he is paying back the money put into his new home. So really you have no excuse to continue to moan. If he doesn’t pay back, sure you can string him up..
My point is, as a royal he was tied to certain expectation just as citizen you are .. he has to fulfill royal commitments and not focus on forging a path of his own, while you have to pay for his luxurious lofestyle while he shows up at fundraisers, red carpets, diplomatic assignments, etc, etc...

So that’s all on you as British citizens because you made that choice long time ago.. As an American, I find the whole thing absurd.. and what Harry did in breaking off, seems a more logical decision to me as an American. Hence my defense of him.
 
As an American, I would say you yourself are to blame if you agreed to foot the bill for the royal family. You did so and while Harry and his wife were royals, you had to do it.. so quit your whining. Now that is not the case anymore, I believe he is paying back the money put into his new home. So really you have no excuse to continue to moan. If he doesn’t pay back, sure you can string him up..
My point is, as a royal he was tied to certain expectation just as citizen you are .. he has to fulfill royal commitments and not focus on forging a path of his own, while you have to pay for his luxurious lofestyle while he shows up at fundraisers, red carpets, diplomatic assignments, etc, etc...

So that’s all on you as British citizens because you made that choice long time ago.. As an American, I find the whole thing absurd.. and what Harry did in breaking off, seems a more logical decision to me as an American. Hence my defense of him.

You're not clued up then.

Firstly no Brit was alive when the Royal Family took charge, citizens have been paying taxes for a long time. There should be a referendum on the Royal, whether to keep them or end them,.

Secondly, the taxpayer will continue to pay. Prince Charles will offset his funds to his son and his security will continue to cost , even rising than before! They paid back the renovation costs but will continue to live a property owned by the public.
 
Lol at people dissing the British Monarchy, is it lost on the people in the UK that a significant number of tourists turn up to the UK to watch Buckingham Palace, the Royal Family Parades and Ceremonies, the Royal Family just by their existence alone brings in significant revenue and attention to the British Economy and Country, if you abolish the British Monarchy, will the same number of tourists come to visit the UK?
 
Lol at people dissing the British Monarchy, is it lost on the people in the UK that a significant number of tourists turn up to the UK to watch Buckingham Palace, the Royal Family Parades and Ceremonies, the Royal Family just by their existence alone brings in significant revenue and attention to the British Economy and Country, if you abolish the British Monarchy, will the same number of tourists come to visit the UK?

More will come. They don't get to shake the hand of the Queen or see any Royals. All of their properties will be open museums. The sale of their stolen loot alone is worth billions.

Its a false argument used by Royalist to justify this undemocratic Royal family. All men and women should be born equal, simple. No sane person can argue against this.
 
You're not clued up then.

Firstly no Brit was alive when the Royal Family took charge, citizens have been paying taxes for a long time. There should be a referendum on the Royal, whether to keep them or end them,.

Secondly, the taxpayer will continue to pay. Prince Charles will offset his funds to his son and his security will continue to cost , even rising than before! They paid back the renovation costs but will continue to live a property owned by the public.
Dude... in democracy you are in charge or everything. If you don’t like the way certain things are, you have the power to change them.. that’s the whole point.. why has the referendum on this topic not taken place yet?

As a citizen, you don’t like something you let your local elected representative know and escalate the issue. So yes.. whether you like it or not.. YOU ARE to BLAME.

And you may have a point in the latter half of your statement, however, I continue to constantly see statements in the media that they want to be financially independent. Does that not automatically mean they won’t be relying on any sort of assistance from the royal family, prince Charles or whatever? I also am seeing statements from the Canadian Government that it’s not decided yet who is going to foot the bill for their security. So until a final agreement is reached, you cannot label them as facts..

Now I understand they are not exactly zero in financial independence sector. I read somewhere markle has signed a voiceover acting deal with some major studio and Harry is a qualified pilot. So it’s not like they would be out on the street.. they simply may not have the lavish lifestyle they had previously.. or they could actually have a more lavish lifestyle because they could end up making more money than before.. who knows?
 
Dude... in democracy you are in charge or everything. If you don’t like the way certain things are, you have the power to change them.. that’s the whole point.. why has the referendum on this topic not taken place yet?

As a citizen, you don’t like something you let your local elected representative know and escalate the issue. So yes.. whether you like it or not.. YOU ARE to BLAME.

And you may have a point in the latter half of your statement, however, I continue to constantly see statements in the media that they want to be financially independent. Does that not automatically mean they won’t be relying on any sort of assistance from the royal family, prince Charles or whatever? I also am seeing statements from the Canadian Government that it’s not decided yet who is going to foot the bill for their security. So until a final agreement is reached, you cannot label them as facts..

Now I understand they are not exactly zero in financial independence sector. I read somewhere markle has signed a voiceover acting deal with some major studio and Harry is a qualified pilot. So it’s not like they would be out on the street.. they simply may not have the lavish lifestyle they had previously.. or they could actually have a more lavish lifestyle because they could end up making more money than before.. who knows?

The government will not hold a referendum, you cannot blame those want them out. They have done their bit in the democratic system they live in.

It's not I may have a point, these are facts Im presenting to you. Both will continue to sponge of the British taxpayer, so either you accept this or you can send them millions every year.
 
The government will not hold a referendum, you cannot blame those want them out. They have done their bit in the democratic system they live in.

It's not I may have a point, these are facts Im presenting to you. Both will continue to sponge of the British taxpayer, so either you accept this or you can send them millions every year.
Not facts.. your definition of facts is very different from mine.

They are supposedly splitting their time between Canada and UK and while in the UK they will stay at a property owned by the royal family but their main residence will be in Canada and that is not paid for by the royal family as far as I know. Also Charles “May” support them from his own coffers privately and there won’t be a direct contribution from the British public.
www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-51163865
 
Not facts.. your definition of facts is very different from mine.

They are supposedly splitting their time between Canada and UK and while in the UK they will stay at a property owned by the royal family but their main residence will be in Canada and that is not paid for by the royal family as far as I know. Also Charles “May” support them from his own coffers privately and there won’t be a direct contribution from the British public.
www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-51163865

lol. Try using some common sense pal. Charles will but lets ignore that for a second.

Who will be paying for the security? How much will it be? Will UK public servants be used?
 
lol. Try using some common sense pal. Charles will but lets ignore that for a second.

Who will be paying for the security? How much will it be? Will UK public servants be used?

I don’t know about you but my common sense usually says wait for facts and to not assume things.. unless a final arrangements is agreed upon between UK and Canada only then we can know what percentage of the security bill has to be paid for by the British citizenry. Until that happen, I would not go around taking credit for paying for their security.

Also the British citizens will be paying Charles not harry.. once you pay Charles, that’s his money to do so as he pleases and he can send it to me or you or Harry, should not concern the British tax payers.. if they don’t want to pay Charles, then go change your stupid archaic laws. Simple!

I think it will take a year or so for you guys to figure out how much of a burden Harry and his family will continue to be for the UK citizenry. It’s a bit premature to use certain assumptions as facts at the moment
 
I don’t know about you but my common sense usually says wait for facts and to not assume things.. unless a final arrangements is agreed upon between UK and Canada only then we can know what percentage of the security bill has to be paid for by the British citizenry. Until that happen, I would not go around taking credit for paying for their security.

Also the British citizens will be paying Charles not harry.. once you pay Charles, that’s his money to do so as he pleases and he can send it to me or you or Harry, should not concern the British tax payers.. if they don’t want to pay Charles, then go change your stupid archaic laws. Simple!

I think it will take a year or so for you guys to figure out how much of a burden Harry and his family will continue to be for the UK citizenry. It’s a bit premature to use certain assumptions as facts at the moment

Common sense would suggest Britain will continue to pay for security because they will always be returning to Britain on a regular basis. Even Scotland Yard officers will be travelling with them. Look it up, it's not a secret. These are facts you just don't accept you made a false long post about leaving them alone as they wont be using taxpayers money, not even his Grandma would say this .

Never mind, you're American, don't worry yourself over something which has no bearing, not worth it pal.
 
Common sense would suggest Britain will continue to pay for security because they will always be returning to Britain on a regular basis. Even Scotland Yard officers will be travelling with them. Look it up, it's not a secret. These are facts you just don't accept you made a false long post about leaving them alone as they wont be using taxpayers money, not even his Grandma would say this .

Never mind, you're American, don't worry yourself over something which has no bearing, not worth it pal.
Lol.. long false post? How? How was any of it false? What evidence do you have to back your claim?
Their whole thing is they want to be financially independent and not a burden on UK tax payers.. I say leave them alone and let them try and achieve that goal. If they can’t and are still mooching off of taxpayers, then sure burn them at the stake.. mera kaunsa chachey ka putter hai !

It is you who continues to whine about Harry and Meghan being a burden.. which only time will tell and are all assumptions at this point.
Bhai pata nahi kaunsi common sense laga rahey ho.. kahan se milti hai ye special waali common sense.. sanoo v dasso maybe I can use it to convince my wife to let me play cricket 7 days a week.
 
Lol at people dissing the British Monarchy, is it lost on the people in the UK that a significant number of tourists turn up to the UK to watch Buckingham Palace, the Royal Family Parades and Ceremonies, the Royal Family just by their existence alone brings in significant revenue and attention to the British Economy and Country, if you abolish the British Monarchy, will the same number of tourists come to visit the UK?
Yes, they will because the British monarchy isn't any special than the monarchies in other European countries i.e Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark etc . The British monarchy is only more famous because of the media hype, since English has been the dominant language in the world and English-speaking countries have the most influence so the British monarchy is well known but they can be easily be forgotten if they aren't ever reported on.
 
The whole monarchy is a farce - no real power except as a tourist attraction. In fact i don’t understand why British taxpayers would continue to fund a royal family whose only role in life is cutting some ribbons or doing some charity work & then complain about a couple who may actually want to break free from this circus & maybe earn some real money on their own. America would have never ever tolerated moochers like this family.
 
. America would have never ever tolerated moochers like this family.

True, but America does tolerate paying for and getting into wars to profit defense corporations. It does tolerate rules being bent in favor of larger corporations, and it does tolerate corrupt politicians.
 
True, but America does tolerate paying for and getting into wars to profit defense corporations. It does tolerate rules being bent in favor of larger corporations, and it does tolerate corrupt politicians.

So you think British politicians, corporates are not corrupt? There is no political lobbying of any sort? You think British made their wealth following halal principles? I admire your naivety.
 
So you think British politicians, corporates are not corrupt? There is no political lobbying of any sort? You think British made their wealth following halal principles? I admire your naivety.

There are different levels to it. US corporate lobbying is firmly against publicly-funded health care, livable minimum wage, more regulation of banks and businesses, etc. Corruption is legal in the US in the form of campaign contribution, aka campaign bribes. You just can't compare this level of corruption to UK or other developed countries.
 
There are different levels to it. US corporate lobbying is firmly against publicly-funded health care, livable minimum wage, more regulation of banks and businesses, etc. Corruption is legal in the US in the form of campaign contribution, aka campaign bribes. You just can't compare this level of corruption to UK or other developed countries.

We are taking the discussion into another tangent, but what you are calling corruption, we call it capitalism which has made US the supreme power of the world. Else we would have been another Britain or Canada hanging on the coat-tails of another country, to put it mildly.
 
We are taking the discussion into another tangent, but what you are calling corruption, we call it capitalism which has made US the supreme power of the world. Else we would have been another Britain or Canada hanging on the coat-tails of another country, to put it mildly.

Right, because being not corrupt, having publicly-funded health care, affordable education, living minimum wage would've resulted in US being less economically and military strong. And Canada and Britain or other developed countries have smaller economies because of having semi-social welfare programs, not because of having significantly smaller populations (but similar GDP per capita) compared to the US.

I don't even think most Americans born in the US believe this.
 
Right, because being not corrupt, having publicly-funded health care, affordable education, living minimum wage would've resulted in US being less economically and military strong. And Canada and Britain or other developed countries have smaller economies because of having semi-social welfare programs, not because of having significantly smaller populations (but similar GDP per capita) compared to the US.

I don't even think most Americans born in the US believe this.

Dude, you are talking to a 2nd generation American and trust me, what we really think of Britain or Canada is not something you want me to pen down in this forum. Even a liberal icon like Trudeau got bullied into re-negotiating NAFTA by a guy like Trump, tells you how much clout the American economy driven by our ‘corrupt’ corporates still has in this world.

I am not against reforms wherever warranted (big pharma or affordable education) but trying to introduce socialist policies like universal healthcare or free border policies in a country with a significantly larger population than Britain or Canada will be a disaster for the US economy. And its not that British or Canadian economy with all the ‘non-corrupted’ corporations are exactly the model of growth in this world - if the British were happy with their liberal policies, Brexit would have never happened. Nor would the oil-rich region of Alberta be rebelling against the Trudeau govt at this time.

Corporates have at least some modicum of accountability in US - if you really want to talk about corruption lets talk about China or Russia, where there is absolutely zero accountability for whatever corruption the govt & their cronies indulge in. But perhaps this forum will never talk about that, all things considered.
 
Dude, you are talking to a 2nd generation American and trust me, what we really think of Britain or Canada is not something you want me to pen down in this forum. Even a liberal icon like Trudeau got bullied into re-negotiating NAFTA by a guy like Trump, tells you how much clout the American economy driven by our ‘corrupt’ corporates still has in this world.

I am not against reforms wherever warranted (big pharma or affordable education) but trying to introduce socialist policies like universal healthcare or free border policies in a country with a significantly larger population than Britain or Canada will be a disaster for the US economy. And its not that British or Canadian economy with all the ‘non-corrupted’ corporations are exactly the model of growth in this world - if the British were happy with their liberal policies, Brexit would have never happened. Nor would the oil-rich region of Alberta be rebelling against the Trudeau govt at this time.

Corporates have at least some modicum of accountability in US - if you really want to talk about corruption lets talk about China or Russia, where there is absolutely zero accountability for whatever corruption the govt & their cronies indulge in. But perhaps this forum will never talk about that, all things considered.

So you are speaking for all Americans in saying corporate bribes are one of the reason US is a superpower, or that universal healthcare will bankrupt the country?

Polls from within the US show otherwise.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...-big-donors-have-greater-political-influence/

https://morningconsult.com/2019/07/...ng-private-plans-if-preferred-providers-stay/

None of my first or second generation American cousins agree with the corporate bribery or the archaic healthcare system. Clearly the US public in general agrees with that sentiment. No wonder Bernie and Warren are so popular. FYI: publicly funded healthcare will actually work better in a larger population as opposed to smaller population.

Yes, corporations causing the 2008 economic crash and then being bailed out, with execs making a killing is good example of them getting accountability.

I am not suggesting UK or Canada have everything going for them. But the fact that people don't have to worry about healthcare in those countries is a big deal. Healthcare bills, healthcare bankruptcies, not calling ambulance because you can't afford it, rationing health issues so that you can meet and hit your deductibles is not a thing in those countries.
 
Dude, you are talking to a 2nd generation American and trust me, what we really think of Britain or Canada is not something you want me to pen down in this forum. Even a liberal icon like Trudeau got bullied into re-negotiating NAFTA by a guy like Trump, tells you how much clout the American economy driven by our ‘corrupt’ corporates still has in this world.

I am not against reforms wherever warranted (big pharma or affordable education) but trying to introduce socialist policies like universal healthcare or free border policies in a country with a significantly larger population than Britain or Canada will be a disaster for the US economy. And its not that British or Canadian economy with all the ‘non-corrupted’ corporations are exactly the model of growth in this world - if the British were happy with their liberal policies, Brexit would have never happened. Nor would the oil-rich region of Alberta be rebelling against the Trudeau govt at this time.

Corporates have at least some modicum of accountability in US - if you really want to talk about corruption lets talk about China or Russia, where there is absolutely zero accountability for whatever corruption the govt & their cronies indulge in. But perhaps this forum will never talk about that, all things considered.

So your parents were born here?
 
So you are speaking for all Americans in saying corporate bribes are one of the reason US is a superpower, or that universal healthcare will bankrupt the country?

Polls from within the US show otherwise.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...-big-donors-have-greater-political-influence/

https://morningconsult.com/2019/07/...ng-private-plans-if-preferred-providers-stay/

None of my first or second generation American cousins agree with the corporate bribery or the archaic healthcare system. Clearly the US public in general agrees with that sentiment. No wonder Bernie and Warren are so popular. FYI: publicly funded healthcare will actually work better in a larger population as opposed to smaller population.

Yes, corporations causing the 2008 economic crash and then being bailed out, with execs making a killing is good example of them getting accountability.

I am not suggesting UK or Canada have everything going for them. But the fact that people don't have to worry about healthcare in those countries is a big deal. Healthcare bills, healthcare bankruptcies, not calling ambulance because you can't afford it, rationing health issues so that you can meet and hit your deductibles is not a thing in those countries.

I find it hard to believe there are that many "second generation" Americans old enough to have an opinion on politics cause in America you're only considered a first generation American if you were the first generation to be born here, your immigrant parents don't count lol.
 
I find it hard to believe there are that many "second generation" Americans old enough to have an opinion on politics cause in America you're only considered a first generation American if you were the first generation to be born here, your immigrant parents don't count lol.

In that case, they'd be first generation. It doesn't matter either way though. First generation, second generation really doesn't make much difference in this case.
 
I find it hard to believe there are that many "second generation" Americans old enough to have an opinion on politics cause in America you're only considered a first generation America if you were the first generation to be born here, your immigrant parents don't count lol.

My grandfather was a Pak diplomat - my dad was born in America, mom was born in Canada & so that makes me a dual. Engineering undergrad from Purdue, Masters from Tucks. Anything else you want to know about my background kid?
 
My grandfather was a Pak diplomat - my dad was born in America, mom was born in Canada & so that makes me a dual. Engineering undergrad from Purdue, Masters from Tucks. Anything else you want to know about my background kid?

Well I believe the children of diplomats can't get birthright citizenship but you made it so congratulations
 
Well I believe the children of diplomats can't get birthright citizenship but you made it so congratulations

Not birthright American, but as i said he was born & raised here & eventually was naturalised when my grandad quit the diplomatic service & immigrated to America in the early 60s (fun fact - my grandad was one of the earliest wave of Pakistanis who got US citizenship after the Asian citizenship exclusion was removed in the mid-60s civil rights reform)

Anything else?
 
So you are speaking for all Americans in saying corporate bribes are one of the reason US is a superpower, or that universal healthcare will bankrupt the country?

Polls from within the US show otherwise.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...-big-donors-have-greater-political-influence/

https://morningconsult.com/2019/07/...ng-private-plans-if-preferred-providers-stay/

None of my first or second generation American cousins agree with the corporate bribery or the archaic healthcare system. Clearly the US public in general agrees with that sentiment. No wonder Bernie and Warren are so popular. FYI: publicly funded healthcare will actually work better in a larger population as opposed to smaller population.

Yes, corporations causing the 2008 economic crash and then being bailed out, with execs making a killing is good example of them getting accountability.

I am not suggesting UK or Canada have everything going for them. But the fact that people don't have to worry about healthcare in those countries is a big deal. Healthcare bills, healthcare bankruptcies, not calling ambulance because you can't afford it, rationing health issues so that you can meet and hit your deductibles is not a thing in those countries.

I would never deny that healthcare is not an issue in this country - but universal healthcare is not the solution, especially combined with the open border policy that the Dems want. And if Warren & Sanders were that popular, they wouldn’t be trailing Biden in their own polls.
 
I would never deny that healthcare is not an issue in this country - but universal healthcare is not the solution, especially combined with the open border policy that the Dems want. And if Warren & Sanders were that popular, they wouldn’t be trailing Biden in their own polls.

Why is universal healthcare not the solution? It is in fact the only solution. What are other viable solutions? I don't think a single dem has supported open border policy. Julian Castro said he'd reduce the severity of it but it will still be a crime. None of remaining candidates are supporting that anyway, so it's a moot point.

Biden is trailing if you combine the Warren and Sanders support. Biden is the "default choice" nominee, because the mainstream media supports him and because people think he will beat Trump. No one is excited by Biden and the policies he supports.
 
Why is universal healthcare not the solution? It is in fact the only solution. What are other viable solutions? I don't think a single dem has supported open border policy. Julian Castro said he'd reduce the severity of it but it will still be a crime. None of remaining candidates are supporting that anyway, so it's a moot point.

Biden is trailing if you combine the Warren and Sanders support. Biden is the "default choice" nominee, because the mainstream media supports him and because people think he will beat Trump. No one is excited by Biden and the policies he supports.

As i said before, lets not hijack this thread completely - this one is about the British royal family, but happy to have a discussion elsewhere on why i think universal healthcare wouldn’t work or that many Dems will actually vote for Trump if Warren or Sanders win the nomination.
 
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Harry and Meghan: Prince arrives in Canada ahead of new chapter

The Duke of Sussex has arrived in Canada as he prepares for a new life away from royal duties.

Prince Harry landed on Vancouver Island on Tuesday morning to be reunited with his wife, the Duchess of Sussex, and their eight-month-old son Archie.

It comes after the duke said he was "taking a leap of faith" in stepping back as a senior royal, but "there really was no other option".

From the spring, the Sussexes will no longer be full-time working royals.

They will stop using their HRH titles, no longer carry out royal duties or military appointments and no longer formally represent the Queen.

The new arrangement was unveiled on Saturday, following days of talks with the Queen and other senior royals including Harry's older brother, the Duke of Cambridge.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51185628
 
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have issued a warning over continued harassment by paparazzi photographers as they start their new life in Canada out of the spotlight.

It comes after images of Meghan were published in the media showing her taking a stroll through a public park on Vancouver Island.

The duchess can be seen smiling as she walks along with Archie and her two dogs.

Harry explains why he had to walk away from royal life - but it's not the deal he wanted

The prince said he and Meghan felt they had 'no option'
Lawyers for the couple claim these were taken without her consent - and that the photographer was hiding in the bushes and spying on her.

They also claim there were previous attempts to photograph them inside their home using long range lenses and that paparazzi were permanently camped outside their home.

This comes days after Harry and Meghan agreed a deal to step away from the Royal Family.

In a speech at a dinner for supporters of his Sentebale charity, the prince said the decision was made as they wanted to lead a more "peaceful life".

Meghan's father says his daughter and Harry are 'cheapening the royals'
"The decision that I have made for my wife and I to step back, is not one I made lightly. It was so many months of talks after so many years of challenges.

"And I know I haven't always gotten it right, but as far as this goes, there really was no other option."

Harry and Meghan's lawyers also highlighted serious safety concerns about how the paparazzi had been driving in Canada.

Prince Harry's mum, Diana, died on 31 August 1997 after the car she was in crashed into a concrete pillar in a Paris tunnel, whilst trying to flee paparazzi photographers.

Harry referenced this in his speech on Sunday, adding: "When I lost my mum 23 years ago, you took me under your wing. You've looked out for me for so long, but the media is a powerful force, and my hope is one day our collective support for each other can be more powerful because this is so much bigger than just us."

Prince Harry says his mother was chased and then photographed as she died

Sky's royal correspondent Rhiannon Mills said: "We've heard statements previously but this is the first time in his words that he's told an audience how he's feeling.

"He is reiterating the fact that Harry and Meghan have wanted this new kind of life partly because of the intense scrutiny that they feel they faced from the press here in the UK but also around the world.

"After all we also heard from the Queen how she recognised that intense scrutiny that they've faced when it came to coming up with that deal to allow them to live that more independent life."
https://news.sky.com/story/harry-an...l-action-over-canada-paparazzi-shots-11914112
 
Well they can’t expect the paparazzi to leave them alone right away considering there will be a red hot demand out there for their pictures and evidence of their lifestyle in Canada.. it was a high profile break up.. the brits will love to hate Meghan for years and years.

By the way what’s the deal with her dad? Why is he throwing his daughter under the bus all the time?
 
Well they can’t expect the paparazzi to leave them alone right away considering there will be a red hot demand out there for their pictures and evidence of their lifestyle in Canada.. it was a high profile break up.. the brits will love to hate Meghan for years and years.

By the way what’s the deal with her dad? Why is he throwing his daughter under the bus all the time?

Her dad wouldn't give a damn if she didn't marry into the royal family. He is fully trying to encash the media attention that comes with the royal family. No wonder Meghan cut her step father off and wants nothing to do with her
 
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have issued a warning over continued harassment by paparazzi photographers as they start their new life in Canada out of the spotlight.

It comes after images of Meghan were published in the media showing her taking a stroll through a public park on Vancouver Island.

The duchess can be seen smiling as she walks along with Archie and her two dogs.

Harry explains why he had to walk away from royal life - but it's not the deal he wanted

The prince said he and Meghan felt they had 'no option'
Lawyers for the couple claim these were taken without her consent - and that the photographer was hiding in the bushes and spying on her.

They also claim there were previous attempts to photograph them inside their home using long range lenses and that paparazzi were permanently camped outside their home.

This comes days after Harry and Meghan agreed a deal to step away from the Royal Family.

In a speech at a dinner for supporters of his Sentebale charity, the prince said the decision was made as they wanted to lead a more "peaceful life".

Meghan's father says his daughter and Harry are 'cheapening the royals'
"The decision that I have made for my wife and I to step back, is not one I made lightly. It was so many months of talks after so many years of challenges.

"And I know I haven't always gotten it right, but as far as this goes, there really was no other option."

Harry and Meghan's lawyers also highlighted serious safety concerns about how the paparazzi had been driving in Canada.

Prince Harry's mum, Diana, died on 31 August 1997 after the car she was in crashed into a concrete pillar in a Paris tunnel, whilst trying to flee paparazzi photographers.

Harry referenced this in his speech on Sunday, adding: "When I lost my mum 23 years ago, you took me under your wing. You've looked out for me for so long, but the media is a powerful force, and my hope is one day our collective support for each other can be more powerful because this is so much bigger than just us."

Prince Harry says his mother was chased and then photographed as she died

Sky's royal correspondent Rhiannon Mills said: "We've heard statements previously but this is the first time in his words that he's told an audience how he's feeling.

"He is reiterating the fact that Harry and Meghan have wanted this new kind of life partly because of the intense scrutiny that they feel they faced from the press here in the UK but also around the world.

"After all we also heard from the Queen how she recognised that intense scrutiny that they've faced when it came to coming up with that deal to allow them to live that more independent life."
https://news.sky.com/story/harry-an...l-action-over-canada-paparazzi-shots-11914112

Lol if they thought that they were going to get away from Papparazi in the UK, they will encounter the same amount of Papparazi if not more in Canada and the US
 
Never knew you were a Monarchist, Captain.

I am most certainly not, it's not me who married into the royal family. The discussion in the media has now shifted from costs of residence and security and dropping of HRH titles to Harry and Meghan continuing to use their Duke and Duchess of Sussex as a selling point. Their website and proposed branding for future ventures is currently being pitched as Sussex Royal.

Meghan must think this is America where everything is for sale including royal titles. I'm not a fan of royalty, but if you buy in then you have to respect your duties towards it unless you can point to duress the like of which Princess Diana had to undergo.
 
Not birthright American, but as i said he was born & raised here & eventually was naturalised when my grandad quit the diplomatic service & immigrated to America in the early 60s (fun fact - my grandad was one of the earliest wave of Pakistanis who got US citizenship after the Asian citizenship exclusion was removed in the mid-60s civil rights reform)

Anything else?

I know a Pakistani family that served British Indian Army or Airforce, and then in 1948 moved to States, their extended family were zamindars wonder if their citizenship was delayed too..
 
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