Harry and Meghan discussion thread

[Stewie]

From what I have read, some of the stuff rings very true and actually it is horrible.

1. The British media did take on Meghan
2. Was it racism? In print and other media? That I am not sure if.
3. If there was, I am pretty sure I didn’t not read anything from the Royal family denouncing it and expressing their displeasure over it.

Unless #2 is wrong and they are flat out lying on Oprah.

4. The whole deal about passport and DL being withheld, that was just terrible. What the heck! Do they do this to everyone of their family? Surely they can make this up, that would be a huuuuugggeerr lie.
I’m sure they will put their own spin on it, the Royal family and pro British media but for now my sympathies are with these two.

 

[Mamoon]

Do you even bother reading the articles or will you stick by your agenda of trying to give the opposing view?

There is nothing to look into here. Meghan has no credibility and what she says should not be taken at face value.

You have to incredibly naive to not understand the motives behind why she married Harry and why this marriage was bound to create problems in the royal family.

Only “progressive and liberal” Internet warriors and those who go around branding everything as racism and discrimination are siding with Meghan here.

It is important to respect family values and traditions. The royal family is not everyone’s cup of tea but it is what it is. Harry tried to be rebellious and break the norms of the royal family and it backfired in spectacular fashion.

His brother respected the family tradition and he now lives a happier, stable life without being outcasted from the family.

His children will suffer forever because of the stupidity of their father and how he got manipulated by an ambitious woman hungry for royalty.

The children of Harry will never have the same status and privileges as the children of William.

 

[Manunited18]

This is hugely damaging to the Royals.

 

[Savak]

There is nothing to look into here. Meghan has no credibility and what she says should not be taken at face value.

You have to incredibly naive to not understand the motives behind why she married Harry and why this marriage was bound to create problems in the royal family.

Only “progressive and liberal” Internet warriors and those who go around branding everything as racism and discrimination are siding with Meghan here.

It is important to respect family values and traditions. The royal family is not everyone’s cup of tea but it is what it is. Harry tried to be rebellious and break the norms of the royal family and it backfired in spectacular fashion.

His brother respected the family tradition and he now lives a happier, stable life without being outcasted from the family.

His children will suffer forever because of the stupidity of their father and how he got manipulated by an ambitious woman hungry for royalty.

The children of Harry will never have the same status and privileges as the children of William.

I know you absolutely love to live inside your head and project that to the entire world, but Meghan was already decently established before she married Harry. So she ambitiously chose to marry Harry and within a year made him break free from this marriage with an ulterior motive? Harry is a grown adult who made his choice. It is a free world and everyone is free to make their choices.

How do we know William is indeed living a happier stable life? I doubt it, in fact i read that Harry is the one who made sure William and Charles talked on and off and without him, there was a risk that William and Charles were going to be distant.

 

[Savak]

There is nothing to look into here other than the fact the Meghan got a reality-check after marriage.

Getting married into the royal family was not the bed of roses that she had envisioned.

She has Harry on a leash who is not man enough to stand his ground. Should have married a classy and cultured English woman with aristocratic values like his brother did.

Yawn, i am sure Harry gives a damn about your views. He should have done this, should have done that.

 

[kaayal]

There is nothing to look into here. Meghan has no credibility and what she says should not be taken at face value.

You have to incredibly naive to not understand the motives behind why she married Harry and why this marriage was bound to create problems in the royal family.

Only “progressive and liberal” Internet warriors and those who go around branding everything as racism and discrimination are siding with Meghan here.

It is important to respect family values and traditions. The royal family is not everyone’s cup of tea but it is what it is. Harry tried to be rebellious and break the norms of the royal family and it backfired in spectacular fashion.

His brother respected the family tradition and he now lives a happier, stable life without being outcasted from the family.

His children will suffer forever because of the stupidity of their father and how he got manipulated by an ambitious woman hungry for royalty.

The children of Harry will never have the same status and privileges as the children of William.

Kate and Meghan’s life are not similar. Palace will try their best to protect Kate’s image (future king’s wife) but Meghan whether haunted by tabloid or not is not a concern for anybody there. On top of that, she is black. The racial undertones in every matter (in press or the family conversations) is always going to be painful. It’s better to pull out from it altogether than living in a “trapped” system.

Considering it’s the royal family who is benefiting from Harry and Meghan and then they say you will not be given security? Why would anyone stay there? A pregnant woman will always think about her kids safety, not these stupid rules.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Those who betray their family are worse than traitors. He married outside, and the outsider took him away from his family. Lesson for everyone.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Kate Middleton looks like a true royal lady and has too much class, grace and dignity to respond to the dirt they are trying to throw on her for their cheap publicity.

 

[Robert]

There is nothing to look into here other than the fact the Meghan got a reality-check after marriage.

Getting married into the royal family was not the bed of roses that she had envisioned.

She has Harry on a leash who is not man enough to stand his ground. Should have married a classy and cultured English woman with aristocratic values like his brother did.

Duchess Megan strikes me as classy and cultured.

Prince Harry loves his wife, and doesn’t want to see her hounded to destruction like his mother.

As husband to a woman of colour, who faced prejudice from his own family, I sympathise with the Prince. Sadly, many people who marry outside their race will face this.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Duchess Megan strikes me as classy and cultured.

Prince Harry loves his wife, and doesn’t want to see her hounded to destruction like his mother.

As husband to a woman of colour, who faced prejudice from his own family, I sympathise with the Prince. Sadly, many people who marry outside their race will face this.

Your opinion is not objective, as you are biased towards interracial couples, particularly when the lady is of color. I hate the royalty and would like it to go, but Kate comes across as the most gracious and classy lady here. She deserves to be the queen. It is good that the black sheep (harry) of the royal family was separated, now he can enjoy celebrityhood by giving interviews and leaking sound bites.

 

[Mamoon]

Kate and Meghan’s life are not similar. Palace will try their best to protect Kate’s image (future king’s wife) but Meghan whether haunted by tabloid or not is not a concern for anybody there. On top of that, she is black. The racial undertones in every matter (in press or the family conversations) is always going to be painful. It’s better to pull out from it altogether than living in a “trapped” system.

Considering it’s the royal family who is benefiting from Harry and Meghan and then they say you will not be given security? Why would anyone stay there? A pregnant woman will always think about her kids safety, not these stupid rules.

I wouldn’t agree that the Royal family is benefiting from Harry and Meghan. In fact, it is the other way around. Harry is nothing without his family name, and his royalty is what attracted Meghan in the first place.

This couple seems to enjoy making a lot of noise. If you want to rebellious and cut-off from the Royal life, good for you.

The issue that Harry comes across as a hypocrite who still wants to maintain his royalty and milk his family name while refusing to adhere to the values of the royal family.

I don’t blame the family for doing what they did. They saw through the manipulations of Meghan and refused to bend over backwards.

The values of the royal family, good or bad, are what they are. Harry should have realized that marrying a mixed-race American is against the traditions of his family and will not prove to be a smooth sailing, while Meghan should have realize that she can manipulate Harry to break away from his family but it will have repercussions.

Nevertheless, both need to keep quiet and move on with their lives instead of giving attention-seeking interviews. The royal family doesn’t need them but it appears that they need to keep lashing at them to stay relevant.

 

[Mamoon]

Yawn, i am sure Harry gives a damn about your views. He should have done this, should have done that.

He probably doesn’t, but the problem is that the only reason people give a damn to Harry is because he was born in the royal family. That is his only talent and achievement. Literally anyone could have been Harry.

If he wants to dissociate himself from his royal family and his only source of relevance because of his manipulate wife, it is his loss. Today, he is rebellious and content at where he is but 30-40 years down the line, when he gets old, he is very likely to regret his decision.

 

[Mamoon]

I know you absolutely love to live inside your head and project that to the entire world, but Meghan was already decently established before she married Harry. So she ambitiously chose to marry Harry and within a year made him break free from this marriage with an ulterior motive? Harry is a grown adult who made his choice. It is a free world and everyone is free to make their choices.

How do we know William is indeed living a happier stable life? I doubt it, in fact i read that Harry is the one who made sure William and Charles talked on and off and without him, there was a risk that William and Charles were going to be distant.

The ulterior motive of Meghan was not to break away from the family; that was the by-product of the reality check that she received after living the royal life.

She was taking pictures outside Buckingham palace 10 years before she met Harry, and she saw a royal trophy in him and he fell for it. Good for her, but when you break family traditions and norms, especially when you belong to a royal family, it will have consequences.

If Harry and Meghan thought their marriage will be a smooth sailing and will be welcomed by the royal family, they thought wrong. It is not about what is right or wrong but rather, it is about the reality of the situation.

Harry is an adult who made a choice but people make bad choices all the time. He got manipulated by an ambitious woman who saw him as a trophy and he made a choice that he would have been advised against by any well-wisher, because what has happened over the last 3 years was inevitable.

This notion that William and Charles are both unhappy and chained in the royal lifestyle is just dramaybaazi by Harry who is trying to justify his own blunders.

A prince of the British Royal family has been dragged out of his royal family and kept on a leash by his manipulate wife in the U.S., and people think he didn’t made a bad decision. Lol.

 

[Mamoon]

Duchess Megan strikes me as classy and cultured.

Prince Harry loves his wife, and doesn’t want to see her hounded to destruction like his mother.

As husband to a woman of colour, who faced prejudice from his own family, I sympathise with the Prince. Sadly, many people who marry outside their race will face this.

A royal who breaks family traditions will have consequences. The family is bigger than the individuals, and Harry should have foreseen that marrying an American, that too a mixed-race on, will not be a very welcome decision.

Harry is nothing without his family name, it is his only talent and achievement in life. If he thinks breaking away from the royal life for a woman who most probably married him for his royalty is a sane decision, good for him.

However, he may not hold the same viewpoint later in life. He is still young and rebellious, but his views on the values of royal family might change as he grows old.

Love can make you do stupid things, and it often makes you turn against your family but the reality is that while your spouse can be manipulative and love you for material gains, your own family, especially your parents and grandparents, will always love you for who you are and not because of what you can give them.

The Queen would love Harry even if she wasn’t the Queen and he wasn’t a prince, but I am not sure if Meghan would fall for Harry if he wasn’t a prince of the British Royal family.

The decision to choose romantic love over your family is a decision that requires a lot of careful deliberation, because it is a recipe for a making a lot of ill-advised, hasty decisions.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Meghan now knows that they have been cut off from the royal's funds. So these spicy interviews will generate the funds now.

 

[OMB]

I think this is all about trying to expose a wrongdoing.


Right, so how much they got paid for this interview?
If at all they got paid, is it right?
If it is right, then why it isn't right for media too?

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Gosh, [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] throwing some knives in here

But I think he might be right. The euphoria is gone now and reality is hitting them hard.

The Queen would love Harry even if she wasn’t the Queen and he wasn’t a prince, but I am not sure if Meghan would fall for Harry if he wasn’t a prince of the British Royal family.

Ding ding ding!

All said, I still wish the family best of luck and hopefully they can grind through 9-to-5s like the rest of us

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Sad to see a loving couple subjected to this kind of vitriol and hatred, merely for being in love and wanting to do things their own way.

Young Harry saw his mother driven to depression ( and perhaps even death) by the Royal family. It makes sense that he would wish for his wife to avoid a similar fate.

The way the British press hounded them and marked their every move was sickening. I'm surprised cracks didn't appear sooner.

It is much harder for someone like Harry to obey these nonsense protocols than someone like William. William is in line for the throne, his children will one day rule. He will of course want to accept the status quo. Harry will get a minor role but is expected to keep his mouth shut and sacrifice himself for the sake of his brother and the continuity of the throne to his nephew.

The royal families reputation took a real beating after the death of Diana and many people are wondering why sections of the British Establishment feel Harry and Meghan are fair game but a paedophile Prince is protected. It's complete double standards.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

This is hugely damaging to the Royals.

Nah, they will be okay.

Queen has been through so much. This shouldn't even surprise her.

 

[OMB]

Sad to see a loving couple subjected to this kind of vitriol and hatred, merely for being in love and wanting to do things their own way.

Young Harry saw his mother driven to depression ( and perhaps even death) by the Royal family. It makes sense that he would wish for his wife to avoid a similar fate.

The way the British press hounded them and marked their every move was sickening. I'm surprised cracks didn't appear sooner.

It is much harder for someone like Harry to obey these nonsense protocols than someone like William. William is in line for the throne, his children will one day rule. He will of course want to accept the status quo. Harry will get a minor role but is expected to keep his mouth shut and sacrifice himself for the sake of his brother and the continuity of the throne to his nephew.

The royal families reputation took a real beating after the death of Diana and many people are wondering why sections of the British Establishment feel Harry and Meghan are fair game but a paedophile Prince is protected. It's complete double standards.

The money this loving couple are asking spoils this narrative. They have enough money anyways.

 

[Robert]

Your opinion is not objective, as you are biased towards interracial couples, particularly when the lady is of color. I hate the royalty and would like it to go, but Kate comes across as the most gracious and classy lady here. She deserves to be the queen. It is good that the black sheep (harry) of the royal family was separated, now he can enjoy celebrityhood by giving interviews and leaking sound bites.

Well, that's the first time I have that heard standing up against racism is "not objective".

I feel that prejudice toward a mixed race couple is contemptible, having experienced it first hand. People should be free to marry who they like. The family can offer counsel beforehand, but when the vows are spoken then the newcomer is family too and should be treated as such.

It doesn't matter what Duchess Catherine is like, the issue is Duchess Megan has been treated differently to her because of skin colour and that should appall everybody.

 

[Robert]

Sad to see a loving couple subjected to this kind of vitriol and hatred, merely for being in love and wanting to do things their own way.

Young Harry saw his mother driven to depression ( and perhaps even death) by the Royal family. It makes sense that he would wish for his wife to avoid a similar fate.

The way the British press hounded them and marked their every move was sickening. I'm surprised cracks didn't appear sooner.

It is much harder for someone like Harry to obey these nonsense protocols than someone like William. William is in line for the throne, his children will one day rule. He will of course want to accept the status quo. Harry will get a minor role but is expected to keep his mouth shut and sacrifice himself for the sake of his brother and the continuity of the throne to his nephew.

The royal families reputation took a real beating after the death of Diana and many people are wondering why sections of the British Establishment feel Harry and Meghan are fair game but a paedophile Prince is protected. It's complete double standards.

Quite so [MENTION=51465]DeadlyVenom[/MENTION].

(But please bear in mind that the individual you allude to has not even been charged with a crime, let alone sentenced.)

 

[kaayal]

The money this loving couple are asking spoils this narrative. They have enough money anyways.

All the British tabloids milked money in her name, be it regarding the letter she wrote to her estranged Father, Kate’s crying regarding Charlotte’s bridesmaid dress etc etc... Nobody had problem back then but now when she opens her mouth and makes some money (because the public do want to know her side of story), all the hell brakes. Double standards clearly.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Well, that's the first time I have that heard standing up against racism is "not objective".

I feel that prejudice toward a mixed race couple is contemptible, having experienced it first hand. People should be free to marry who they like. The family can offer counsel beforehand, but when the vows are spoken then the newcomer is family too and should be treated as such.

It doesn't matter what Duchess Catherine is like, the issue is Duchess Megan has been treated differently to her because of skin colour and that should appall everybody.

Racism exists, but everything is not racism. Even a white meghan, or any white american celebrity would have got the same treatment provided they behaved like her. Her lack of class is not because of her skin, and Kate's classy grace is also not because of her skin color. Personality is much more than melanin.

 

[Robert]

Racism exists, but everything is not racism. Even a white meghan, or any white american celebrity would have got the same treatment provided they behaved like her. Her lack of class is not because of her skin, and Kate's classy grace is also not because of her skin color. Personality is much more than melanin.

She behaved fine. It's racism, and also a lot of misogyny from women.

 

[kaayal]

Racism exists, but everything is not racism. Even a white meghan, or any white american celebrity would have got the same treatment provided they behaved like her. Her lack of class is not because of her skin, and Kate's classy grace is also not because of her skin color. Personality is much more than melanin.

It’s easy to remain classy and grace when you are protected. Not the same case for Meghan.

 

[Mueez]

Can’t believe people are still trying to defend the royals.

Harry and Meghan did the right thing to back out of the royal duties.

 

[Slog]

Never liked Meghan. Always seemed manipulative and it’s been proven wrong.

She even manipulated her way to a career I. Hollywood and then laughingly admitted to lying for roles.

Harry is clearly a simp and doesn’t have much of a spine. In the Kohli mould

 

[kaayal]

Never liked Meghan. Always seemed manipulative and it’s been proven wrong.

She even manipulated her way to a career I. Hollywood and then laughingly admitted to lying for roles.

Harry is clearly a simp and doesn’t have much of a spine. In the Kohli mould

Supporting a wife when she is suffering means the man have no spine??That’s clearly the regressive subcontinent mentality.

 

[Technics 1210]

So Harry and Meg wanted privacy and they achieve this with an Oprah interview which quite frankly is a cheap attempt at playing the race card. Gaslighting BLM etc.

Also pure jokes on how Meg felt. She knew what she was getting into.

We don't need to know if it's a girl by the way. Go find sympathy elsewhere. Ungrateful privledged people.

I hope Harry divorces Meg.

 

[Technics 1210]

Meg herself is confused of her identity.

When she wants sympathy she becomes black and plays the victim card.

When she want wants attention and respect she plays the white privledged card.

What has this woman ever done for the black community? Speeches and tweets etc don't count.

 

[Firebat]

Meghan and Harry interview: I didn't want to be alive any more, duchess says

The Duchess of Sussex has said she found life within the British Royal Family so difficult that at times she "didn't want to be alive any more".

In a deeply personal TV interview, Meghan told Oprah Winfrey that she did not get help when she asked for it.

She said a low point was when Harry was asked by an unnamed family member "how dark" their son Archie's skin might be.

Oprah later said Harry had told her it was not the Queen or the Duke of Edinburgh who made the comment.

The highly-anticipated interview with Oprah, which the couple were not paid for, aired overnight in the US.

During the two-hour CBS special, to be screened in the UK on ITV at 21:00 GMT on Monday night and on ITV Hub, Courtesy of Harpo Productions/CBS, the couple covered a range of topics, including racism, mental health, their relationship with the media and Royal Family dynamics.

In other key revelations:

- The couple announced their second child, which is due in the summer, is a girl

- They exchanged vows in a ceremony led by the Archbishop of Canterbury in their "backyard" three days before they were legally married at their public wedding in May 2018

- Harry said his brother and father were "trapped within the system" of the Royal Family

-He said his family cut him off financially at the beginning of last year and his father stopped taking his calls

-But Harry said he loved his brother "to bits" and wanted to heal his relationship with both him and his father

-Meghan said she phoned the Queen after Prince Philip went into hospital last month

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56316850

 

[Technics 1210]

It doesn't matter what Duchess Catherine is like, the issue is Duchess Megan has been treated differently to her because of skin colour and that should appall everybody.

You have no evidence of this other than an actress playing a camera.

Amazing isn't it. One minute you are defending Prince Andrew, and the next attacking the Royal family.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Can’t believe people are still trying to defend the royals.

Harry and Meghan did the right thing to back out of the royal duties.

Meghan shouldn't have charged into royal duties in the first place. She knew fine well what she was getting into, she could have got married to more or less anyone in the world, what was it she found so alluring about the ginger haired Prince Harry if it wasn't the royal title?

 

[Mamoon]

With everything said and done, Harry’s deserves to cope the blame for his decision to ignore the warnings of her father. You should not be blind in love to the point where you lost your sensibilities.

A brother can have some ulterior motive and agenda, but it would take something extraordinary for a father to be forced to say the stuff that he did about Meghan.

That should have been a red flag for Harry, but it appears that he was already on a leash by that point. It isn’t the first time he has exposed himself to be a dimwit.

He was a young boy when he lost his mother and his father has always been distant, so he was easy prey for a manipulative woman like Meghan and there was no one to provide him with council and talk him out of this disaster.

 

[Mueez]

Meghan shouldn't have charged into royal duties in the first place. She knew fine well what she was getting into, she could have got married to more or less anyone in the world, what was it she found so alluring about the ginger haired Prince Harry if it wasn't the royal title?

Okay I agree with your point.

They agreed to marry and now they are also expecting their second child, so I assume they both are happy in their life with each other.

But with that being said the things which Meghan has disclosed are absolutely disgusting to think about. Heck they were talking about which color will the baby have...

Keep in mind Harry is Diana’s son so there must be a reason why Harry stepped aside from the royal family.

IIRC he himself said he was afraid history might repeat itself.

 

[JaDed]

Never liked Meghan. Always seemed manipulative and it’s been proven wrong.

She even manipulated her way to a career I. Hollywood and then laughingly admitted to lying for roles.

Harry is clearly a simp and doesn’t have much of a spine. In the Kohli mould

So the Royals never manipulated right? The whole
monarchy is based on manipulation of their subjects.-21st century and it still is God save the queen! FGS

 

[Slog]

So the Royals never manipulated right? The whole
monarchy is based on manipulation of their subjects.-21st century and it still is God save the queen! FGS

Yes but here we are talking about a particular issue

Obv as a whole monarchy has done much worse things but this we are discussing familial relations

 

[JaDed]

Yes but here we are talking about a particular issue

Obv as a whole monarchy has done much worse things but this we are discussing familial relations

So we can say it like Meghan manipulated the manipulating family. Guess they were all meant for each other.

 

[Technics 1210]

I still remember the day Diana and Charles were married. What a spectacle, compared to this circus of a couple!

 

[Technics 1210]

Oprah interview is all a money making scam anyway. Harry and Meg need the cash. Oprah wins either way.

I think there is a Netflix series in development too.

 

[Mamoon]

Harry: I was a trapped as a royal. Now I am free and I feel sorry for my brother and father who are still trapped.

Also Harry: I am going to use my royalty to make money.

This hypocrite in leash needs to walk the talk and carve out his own career without using his family name. He should walk the talk and forgo all his assets and money that he has inherited and start from zero.

Moreover, he also needs to cancel the $100m Netflix deal because it only exists because of the Royal stuff.

However, if he does that, Meghan would run away from him faster than Usain Bolt.

 

[guna]

Meghan is a drama queen. She very well knew that her far left liberal victim playing views do not go well with the Royals. Yet she married Harry and the result is there for everyone to see.

Between all of this, Harry turned out to be the biggest loser.

 

[guna]

Harry: I was a trapped as a royal. Now I am free and I feel sorry for my brother and father who are still trapped.

Also Harry: I am going to use my royalty to make money.

This hypocrite in leash needs to walk the talk and carve out his own career without using his family name. He should walk the talk and forgo all his assets and money that he has inherited and start from zero.

Moreover, he also needs to cancel the $100m Netflix deal because it only exists because of the Royal stuff.

However, if he does that, Meghan would run away from him faster than Usain Bolt.

Harry would be just another clown in this world if he was not born in the Royal family.

 

[guna]

I know you absolutely love to live inside your head and project that to the entire world, but Meghan was already decently established before she married Harry. So she ambitiously chose to marry Harry and within a year made him break free from this marriage with an ulterior motive? Harry is a grown adult who made his choice. It is a free world and everyone is free to make their choices.

How do we know William is indeed living a happier stable life? I doubt it, in fact i read that Harry is the one who made sure William and Charles talked on and off and without him, there was a risk that William and Charles were going to be distant.

She was one among the thousands of C-Grade Hollywood personalities which very few knew before she married Harry.

 

[street cricketer]

Whenever I think of Europe, I always hope my country imbibes the best of its social ideals and becomes as enlightened and egalitarian in its views as Europe is, leaving behind the regressive mentality.

But one thing I can never understand for the rest of my life is the monarchy and the public reverence it garners in Britain. I mean, how can one country be enlightened in a lot of issues but also so archaic at the same time when it comes to monarchy. When I hear words like "His Highness, Her Majesty, I bow to the Queen, etc.", it's just hilarious. The French did it better.

 

[Stewie]

I know a lot of people will disagree with me but the British Royal family is very very hungover on perceptions of being proper and decent and traditional and while doing so they have been very very improper at times. Why were there no repercussions or consequences for the crown prince when he was going around cheating on Diana and yet Diana was the one in the spotlight for all the wrong reasons. Now we are seeing kind of the same crap, except Harry is telling it as it is.

The Royal family members and their spouses are expected to live a life of perfection (by their standards) yet all the alienation, the lack of freedom and individualism amongst other prejudices clearly exist behind this facade.

And this got so bad in this case, that nobody came to the defense of this couple when some parts of the media were obviously racist and offensive.

I think we can leave all the rest about who did what for money or whatever, the point above sticks out like a soar thumb. The Royal family is nothing but a massively controlling elitist organization.

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/08/meghan-and-prince-harry-oprah-winfrey-interview-special-12-things-we-learned?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Prince Harry and Meghan have taken part in an extraordinary interview with Oprah Winfrey, making a series of far-reaching allegations about life inside the royal family.

Here are 12 things we learned:

1. Mental health crisis

The Duchess of Sussex says she had suicidal thoughts during her time as a working royal. “I just didn’t want to be alive any more. And that was a very clear and real and frightening constant thought. And I remember how he [Harry] just cradled me.” She claimed she asked the palace for help and was denied it. “They said, my heart goes out to you because I see how bad it is, but there’s nothing we can do to protect you because you’re not a paid employee of the institution.”

2. Racism allegations

The Duchess claimed that while she was pregnant with Archie concerns were raised with Prince Harry about the skin colour of their baby. “In those months when I was pregnant, all around this same time, so we have in tandem the conversation of, ‘You won’t be given security, not gonna be given a title’ and also concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he’s born.” Meghan declined to name who expressed those concerns: “I think that would be very damaging to them.”

Harry refused to share the details of the conversation but, after prompting from Winfrey, said the questions was along the lines of: “What will the kids look like?”

3. Feud with Duchess of Cambridge

The duchess denied a newspaper story that she had made the Duchess of Cambridge cry before Meghan and Harry’s wedding, and said it was a turning point in her relations with the media. Asked if she made Kate cry, Meghan replied: “The reverse happened.”

Meghan said Kate was a “good person” but added: “A few days before the wedding she [Kate] was upset about something, pertaining to – yes the issue was correct – about the flower girl dresses, and it made me cry. And it really hurt my feelings.” She said Kate apologised at the time and brought her flowers.

4. Meghan was ‘silenced’

“Everyone in my world was given a very clear directive from the moment the world knew Harry and I were dating, to always say no comment.”

Meghan said she believed she was being protected by the royal institution.

“It was only once we were married and everything started to really worsen that I came to understand that not only was I not being protected but … they weren’t willing to tell the truth to protect me and my husband.”

She agreed with Oprah’s that she had been “silenced” rather than “silent” from the moment she started dating Harry.

Asked if she was not supported by the powers that be, she said: “There’s the family, and then there’s the people that are running the institution, those are two separate things and it’s important to be able to compartmentalise that because the queen, for example, has always been wonderful to me.”

5. Prince Charles stopped taking Harry’s calls

Prince Harry said his father Prince Charles stopped taking his calls about the plan to step aside from royal duties. He denied blindsiding the Queen, saying he had too much respect for her. “I had three conversations with my grandmother, and two conversations with my father before he stopped taking my calls. And then he said, can you put this all in writing?”

Asked why Charles had stopped taking his calls, Harry said: “By that point I took matters into my own hands, it was like, I needed to do this for my family. This is not a surprise to anybody. It’s really sad that it’s got to this point, but I’ve got to do something for my own mental health, my wife’s and for Archie’s as well.”

Prince Charles is now taking his calls but “there’s a lot of hurt that’s happened” and the pair have “lots to work through”, he said. “I feel really let down,” Harry said. “He’s been through something similar, he knows what pain feels like.”

6. Prince Harry has been cut off financially

He said he stopped receiving palace money in the first quarter of 2020. He said that needing to pay for his own security costs was part of the motivation behind the couple’s lucrative deals with companies including Netflix.

The only other money he has left, he said, is what was left to him by Princess Diana.

Meghan said the pair were not being paid for the Oprah interview.

7. Secret wedding

Meghan revealed they married in private, three days before their public wedding ceremony on 19 May 2018. Meghan said they exchanged vows “just the two of us in our backyard with the archbishop of Canterbury”.

8. It’s a girl

The couple revealed the gender of their second child. Harry said the baby, due in the northern hemisphere summer, is a girl. He said he felt “amazing, just grateful”. “To have a boy and then a girl what more can you ask for, we have our family.”

The couple said this would be their last child. “Two is it,” they said.

9. Meghan rarely able to leave home

Meghan said she was barely allowed to leave the house, because people at “the Firm” – a term for the royal household – were so worried about “how things might look”.

“I know you’re worried about how it looks,” she told them, “but has anyone thought about how it feels?” Because she couldn’t have felt lonelier, she said.

10. Harry felt ‘trapped’

Oprah asked Harry whether he would have stepped back from royal duties were it not for Meghan. “No,” Harry said, he would not have. He said he was trapped, but that he didn’t know he was trapped.

Oprah asked exactly how he was trapped. “Trapped within the system, like the rest of my family are. My father, my brother, they are trapped,” he said.

11. The Queen is ‘wonderful’

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, with Meghan’s mother, Doria Ragland, show their newborn son, Archie, to the Queen and Prince Philip in 2019. Photograph: Chris Allerton/copyright SussexRoyal/PA
It was not all bad all the time. Meghan said the Queen was always “wonderful” and remembered a train journey they took together when the Queen gave her some pearl earrings and a necklace, and shared a blanket with her.

Prince Harry said he had a really good relationship with his grandmother. “She’s my commander in chief.”

12. They have rescue chickens

Oprah interviewed the couple briefly at their Santa Barbara home. The interview took place in and around a chicken coop, filled with chickens they rescued from a factory farm. Oprah held a carton of eggs. Meghan held a small basket of eggs. The chicken coop said “Archie’s Chick Inn”.

 

[Stewie]

Whenever I think of Europe, I always hope my country imbibes the best of its social ideals and becomes as enlightened and egalitarian in its views as Europe is, leaving behind the regressive mentality.

But one thing I can never understand for the rest of my life is the monarchy and the public reverence it garners in Britain. I mean, how can one country be enlightened in a lot of issues but also so archaic at the same time when it comes to monarchy. When I hear words like "His Highness, Her Majesty, I bow to the Queen, etc.", it's just hilarious. The French did it better.

It’s a bunch of Bull and baloney is what that is. You may think of their civilized nature but not too long ago they were all busy colonizing the whole world and raping a d pillaging other lands and their peoples. So no, I do not hold them in such regard at all. Goes for all of Europe. Yes they are great for their own people but let’s not get into the broader scope here.

And the Royal families of Europe were the ones behind it all, weren’t they? I have zero regard for any of them.

 

[guna]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/08/meghan-and-prince-harry-oprah-winfrey-interview-special-12-things-we-learned?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Poor Meghan. They are going to keep talking about how bad and unfair the Royal family has been and milk as much money as they can from all those paid interviews.

 

[Mamoon]

The royal family does not exist for or care for the validation of Indians and Pakistanis. It is a cornerstone of the British culture and a reminder of their glorious (glorious from their perspective) past.

 

[Stewie]

The royal family does not exist for or care for the validation of Indians and Pakistanis. It is a cornerstone of the British culture and a reminder of their glorious (glorious from their perspective) past.

Of course, so pardon me if I giving a rodents flying behind in this their butt hurt feelings over Meghan. I say more power to her and Harry.
In fact they don’t seem to care much about their all children, considering how they want all of them to live lives like drones under the vigilant Royal eye! And all to what end?

 

[Mamoon]

Of course, so pardon me if I giving a rodents flying behind in this their butt hurt feelings over Meghan. I say more power to her and Harry.
In fact they don’t seem to care much about their all children, considering how they want all of them to live lives like drones under the vigilant Royal eye! And all to what end?

I personally have no issues with their colonial past because I feel that although the British imperialism took a lot of wealth and resources from the subcontinent, it also modernized the region and fostered development. Moreover, the introduction of the English language made the first world more accessible.

Nevertheless, it is a different debate for a different day. I would agree with you that we should rally behind Harry and the woman who has him on a leash, but the major issue is their hypocrisy.

Harry cannot adopt his “anti-establishment” stance while using his royalty to earn millions. How about he returns all the inherited wealth and starts from scratch to prove that he is independent and his own man?

As long as he is milking his royalty, majority of the people will not rally behind him and take his victim card seriously.

 

[MenInG]

There is nothing to look into here other than the fact the Meghan got a reality-check after marriage.

Getting married into the royal family was not the bed of roses that she had envisioned.

She has Harry on a leash who is not man enough to stand his ground. Should have married a classy and cultured English woman with aristocratic values like his brother did.

I have to agree with this.

A lot of unsubstantiated claims made by 2 to further their careers in US.

 

[Saj]

The Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh were not behind comments about the colour of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s child, according to Oprah Winfrey, who conducted the interview in which the startling revelation was made.

In the interview aired in the US on CBS on Sunday night, Meghan said that when she was pregnant with her son, Archie, there were “conversations about how dark his skin might be when he’s born”. Prince Harry added that he was “a bit shocked” by the comments but said he wouldn’t identify who made them.

Winfrey said on Monday Harry would not share the identity of the person but had stressed “it was not his grandmother or grandfather who were part of those conversations”.

She added: “I tried to get that answer, on camera and off.”

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The Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh were not behind comments about the colour of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s child, according to Oprah Winfrey, who conducted the interview in which the startling revelation was made.

In the interview aired in the US on CBS on Sunday night, Meghan said that when she was pregnant with her son, Archie, there were “conversations about how dark his skin might be when he’s born”. Prince Harry added that he was “a bit shocked” by the comments but said he wouldn’t identify who made them.

Winfrey said on Monday Harry would not share the identity of the person but had stressed “it was not his grandmother or grandfather who were part of those conversations”.

She added: “I tried to get that answer, on camera and off.”

Elizabeth II, Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh are posing for a picture: Photograph: Adrian Dennis/AFP/Getty Images© Provided by The Guardian Photograph: Adrian Dennis/AFP/Getty Images
The interview, in which Meghan also said she contemplated suicide while pregnant and Harry revealed Prince Charles stopped taking his calls once the couple decided to step away from royal duties and move to the US, has been widely regarded as a disaster for the royal family.

On Monday, CBS aired further clips from the interview, which Winfrey said spanned three hours and 20 minutes but had to be edited down to a much shorter length.

In the new clips, Harry said racism was “a large part” of why the couple decided to leave the UK, though he said he thought the British press are bigoted, rather than the broader population.

He added: “I’m very aware my brother can’t leave that system, but I have.”

Meghan said that she was subjected to a “wild, wild west” of criticism via social media and rejected the argument that other royals have also faced attacks.

“Rude and racist are not the same,” she said.

Winfrey appeared on CBS This Morning on Monday to say the couple decided to do the interview because they felt they had been “lied about for a series of years” and that their treatment in the UK was “hurtful”.

She said she had a conversation with Meghan in 2018 “that made me feel disheartened. She had been given advice that it would be best if she could be 50% less than she was. I remember hearing that in 2018 and told her ‘I don’t know how you will survive being half of yourself.’”

Winfrey added that she doesn’t think Americans “understand the barrage of daily vitriol and negativity on a consistent basis and what that does to your personal psyche”.

She said the royal family “is a business and she’s a commodity to that business”, in reference to Meghan.

Reaction to the interview in the US has largely been supportive of Meghan, with many considering it highly damaging to the royal family.

Tina Brown, a former Vanity Fair editor and a biographer of Princess Diana, said the interview was “kryptonite”.

“Let’s bow down to the real queen here – Oprah,” she said. “What a fantastic interview that was. I think we we will be talking about this interview for 20 years.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/roya...-remarks-oprah-says/ar-BB1en6Km?ocid=msedgntp

 

[Suleiman]

Royal family are a bunch of clowns. After all their conquest this is what they’re known for now these days.. topi drama theatrics about grandson grandma and granddaughter in law not getting along LOL. At this point just dissolve this tradition and treat them as normal citizens.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I have to agree with this.

A lot of unsubstantiated claims made by 2 to further their careers in US.

Basically this.

They need the money and what better than to scandalize one of the most famous and powerful family in the world.

 

[Manunited18]

Still doesn't add up with me, Harry is part of that family and deep down under you can see in the interview he's deeply hurt exposing his brother, Father, and off course the Queen.

 

[Stewie]

I have to agree with this.

A lot of unsubstantiated claims made by 2 to further their careers in US.

I don’t know about “unsubstantiated” here.
We all know about the dirty British media. And we all know they went after This woman with pick axes. There were clearly racist insinuations made, some clear some ambiguous. If the Royal family wanted to do the right thing, all it took was a message in solidarity and support of their family member and I don’t think they did that. Unless I missed it.
The queen is very quick to issue statements about the family and this and that, what kept her from defending her new daughter in law and admonishing the media? You cannot claim this part is “unsubstantiated”. And this is what drove Harry away. The rest of it, yes .. the veracity is debatable.


But with that, I’ll come to another point. When it comes to our own people, we are quick to defend them .. right or wrong and openly blame everything on British racism, we have done that since the colonial days and even now when it comes to stuff like cricket “it was art not ball tampering” is a prime example of it.

But how quick are we to defend the royals when the aggrieved is not one of our own!

 

[Zaz]

Theres somethings you cant take back One is airing your dirty laundry in public Nothing ever comes good from doing this

He wants to mend his relations with his family well guess what going to the press and shredding them to pieces isnt going to mend it Infact the opposite will occur

Shes played him like a fiddle n hes not clever enough to see whats going on

 

[kaayal]

I personally have no issues with their colonial past because I feel that although the British imperialism took a lot of wealth and resources from the subcontinent, it also modernized the region and fostered development. Moreover, the introduction of the English language made the first world more accessible.

Nevertheless, it is a different debate for a different day. I would agree with you that we should rally behind Harry and the woman who has him on a leash, but the major issue is their hypocrisy.

Harry cannot adopt his “anti-establishment” stance while using his royalty to earn millions. How about he returns all the inherited wealth and starts from scratch to prove that he is independent and his own man?

As long as he is milking his royalty, majority of the people will not rally behind him and take his victim card seriously.

It can also be said as till now we heard only the tabloid (Palace) version of their stories. They want to correct that perception by saying the truth(according to them) because back then, they were not allowed to do so. Also if saying truth helps them make money, then why not monetise it? They are financially cut off from the royal family business from last year onwards and they have a growing family to take care of.

This interview was very classy imo. She didn’t spout vitriol against any specific member of the royal family but still clearly explained about her feelings while she was living there as a Royal . Also threw light on those rigid stupid rules where some are protected at the expense of unimportant members of royal family. I find that really condescending tbh.

 

[Gilly]

It can also be said as till now we heard only the tabloid (Palace) version of their stories. They want to correct that perception by saying the truth(according to them) because back then, they were not allowed to do so. Also if saying truth helps them make money, then why not monetise it? They are financially cut off from the royal family business from last year onwards and they have a growing family to take care of.

This interview was very classy imo. She didn’t spout vitriol against any specific member of the royal family but still clearly explained about her feelings while she was living there as a Royal . Also threw light on those rigid stupid rules where some are protected at the expense of unimportant members of royal family. I find that really condescending tbh.

Those stupid rigid rules is what makes the Royal Family rich, take it away and they would be just a normal family and Megan wanted the royalty but not the discipline and sacrifice required to be a royal.

 

[BreadPakoda]

"Then he married a woman of colour."
This was hilarious [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]

) this was epic.

Since we desis are all POC and a lot of us are married to POC, do we get this out-of-jail card too? Or is it reserved only for white men marrying women of color?

 

[Stewie]

Those stupid rigid rules is what makes the Royal Family rich, take it away and they would be just a normal family and Megan wanted the royalty but not the discipline and sacrifice required to be a royal.

So playing favorites make them rich? How does that really work, I’m curious!

 

[kaayal]

Those stupid rigid rules is what makes the Royal Family rich, take it away and they would be just a normal family and Megan wanted the royalty but not the discipline and sacrifice required to be a royal.

May be in the past when they could brush these mental health issues, racism etc under the carpet but it’s not possible in this age of social media. We have come far now but the family is still stuck with their age old tactics of controlling their riches. The soft image of the Royal does play an important role in Britain and its commonwealth but they made a mess out by dealing with this couple’s situation.

 

[Stewie]

May be in the past when they could brush these mental health issues, racism etc under the carpet but it’s not possible in this age of social media. We have come far now but the family is still stuck with their age old tactics of controlling their riches. The soft image of the Royal does play an important role in Britain and its commonwealth but they made a mess out by dealing with this couple’s situation.

And also just because “well they are the Royal family and that’s how they have always done things, she should have known before she got married” does not make a wrong right.. what’s wrong is wrong.
You can’t control someone’s life like that. no wonder Diana got into drinking and having affairs with non white men... she got fed up and rebelled..

 

[Gilly]

So playing favorites make them rich? How does that really work, I’m curious!

The royal family is the Queen not Megan. Megan is just the wife of one of her grandsons, she has no authority in the family. Megans role is to be the loyal wife who sits next to her husband at events. Just like the partner of the prime minister will not get involved in politics.

 

[Markhor]

Whenever I think of Europe, I always hope my country imbibes the best of its social ideals and becomes as enlightened and egalitarian in its views as Europe is, leaving behind the regressive mentality.

But one thing I can never understand for the rest of my life is the monarchy and the public reverence it garners in Britain. I mean, how can one country be enlightened in a lot of issues but also so archaic at the same time when it comes to monarchy. When I hear words like "His Highness, Her Majesty, I bow to the Queen, etc.", it's just hilarious. The French did it better.

Honestly I feel non-Brits are more obsessed with these Royal Family psychodramas than ordinary people here are, and we know how desis love gossiping about marriages on the rocks. The only reason it's causing a mild stir is because the tabloids keep plastering the couples' issues on their frontpages, otherwise most are like "families argue, shock horror."

Yes the Queen polls very well in surveys, she never gives an interview and her every word is carefully manicured and choreographed. Her literal job is to act as an apolitical matriarch, the kindly old grandmother who waves at schoolchildren and opens a new hospital wing. But I wouldn't mistake that for a devotion for the individuals who make the institution - the respect and attachment is only there simply because they've been part of the national furniture and mythology for centuries. It's like the rug you don't throw out because you've had it ever since you moved into the house.

The other reason is the Royal Family is the last vestige of empire, the last connection to a bygone era where Britain was the undisputable global power. Of course in the schools, very few teach that this empire looted and pillaged much of the world, plundered its natural resources and enslaved millions. Nevertheless they retain a pragmatic use as part of the UK's soft power as it sees its global influence rapidly dwindling, whose very titles carry a cultural cachet which can be exploited for tourism, all while possessing constitutional power which exists only on paper, rarely wielded.

Me personally ? I'd have a constitutional republic with the Prime Minister as Head of State, and frankly from this interview it appears the Royals themselves are miserable in this gilded cage. However I begrudgingly accept, despite the notion of inherited privilege being contrary to what I believe, their economic and diplomatic value as long as they pay their own way.

 

[Stewie]

The royal family is the Queen not Megan. Megan is just the wife of one of her grandsons, she has no authority in the family. Megans role is to be the loyal wife who sits next to her husband at events. Just like the partner of the prime minister will not get involved in politics.

That doesn’t answer my question. You said they become rich by picking or choosing who to favor. Go back and read your post and then we can talk.

 

[Rana]

Kate Middleton knows aristocratic british values )

Biggest joke I’ve read here. She has been cultured, and moulded well to become the lady she is now. Kudos to her to get through the initial few years of the extreme pressure she must have been under to be the mother of the future King of England. Diana failed as a Royal. Meghan found an easy way out by citing Diana’s so called life as an outcast in the Royal family as her shield for sympathy.

 

[Gilly]

That doesn’t answer my question. You said they become rich by picking or choosing who to favor. Go back and read your post and then we can talk.

How about we just don't talk.

 

[Gilly]

May be in the past when they could brush these mental health issues, racism etc under the carpet but it’s not possible in this age of social media. We have come far now but the family is still stuck with their age old tactics of controlling their riches. The soft image of the Royal does play an important role in Britain and its commonwealth but they made a mess out by dealing with this couple’s situation.

I don't know what they did wrong, but I think that Megan has made a few mistakes. But if you take out the racism angle and this story has nothing.

 

[kaayal]

And also just because “well they are the Royal family and that’s how they have always done things, she should have known before she got married” does not make a wrong right.. what’s wrong is wrong.
You can’t control someone’s life like that. no wonder Diana got into drinking and having affairs with non white men... she got fed up and rebelled..

True, no one is addressing the wrongdoing here. Everyone are like she should have sucked up to everything on her way because she chose to get married to the Royal family. Nobody want to address the human-side of her sufferings.

 

[Stewie]

Honestly I feel non-Brits are more obsessed with these Royal Family psychodramas than ordinary people here are, and we know how desis love gossiping about marriages on the rocks. The only reason it's causing a mild stir is because the tabloids keep plastering the couples' issues on their frontpages, otherwise most are like "families argue, shock horror."

Yes the Queen polls very well in surveys, she never gives an interview and her every word is carefully manicured and choreographed. Her literal job is to act as an apolitical matriarch, the kindly old grandmother who waves at schoolchildren and opens a new hospital wing. But I wouldn't mistake that for a devotion for the individuals who make the institution - the respect and attachment is only there simply because they've been part of the national furniture and mythology for centuries. It's like the rug you don't throw out because you've had it ever since you moved into the house.

The other reason is the Royal Family is the last vestige of empire, the last connection to a bygone era where Britain was the undisputable global power. Of course in the schools, very few teach that this empire looted and pillaged much of the world, plundered its natural resources and enslaved millions. Nevertheless they retain a pragmatic use as part of the UK's soft power as it sees its global influence rapidly dwindling, whose very titles carry a cultural cachet which can be exploited for tourism, all while possessing constitutional power which exists only on paper, rarely wielded.

Me personally ? I'd have a constitutional republic with the Prime Minister as Head of State, and frankly from this interview it appears the Royals themselves are miserable in this gilded cage. However I begrudgingly accept, despite the notion of inherited privilege being contrary to what I believe, their economic and diplomatic value as long as they pay their own way.

With that said, you think the British simply side with the Queen out of their sense of kinship with the “beloved grandma” and not some other higher sense of ethics or civility then?
You think they feel Meghan should have put up and shut up due to a higher calling of abiding by the norms of the Royal family? Or do they agree she was wronged and the Royal family should change their ways?

 

[Stewie]

True, no one is addressing the wrongdoing here. Everyone are like she should have sucked up to everything on her way because she chose to get married to the Royal family. Nobody want to address the human-side of her sufferings.

I asked a simple question which nobody here wants to answer.

“How difficult was it for the Queen to issue a statement of sympathy and unity with her grand daughter in law when she was subjected to flat out or insinuated racism by the media?”

There is no question of unsubstantiated claim here. This is clear as daylight. They didn’t do enough to defend her and that’s what drove Harry away.

How does one explain that?

 

[kaayal]

I don't know what they did wrong, but I think that Megan has made a few mistakes. But if you take out the racism angle and this story has nothing.

And Harry did say that the racial ankle played an important role in their exit from the Royal duties.

 

[Rana]

Harry: “my father and brother are trapped”.

Yeah trapped in Mo money mo problems business! Rich people crying about their rich people problems! What an ungrateful softie this Harry is!’

 

[kaayal]

I asked a simple question which nobody here wants to answer.

“How difficult was it for the Queen to issue a statement of sympathy and unity with her grand daughter in law when she was subjected to flat out or insinuated racism by the media?”

There is no question of unsubstantiated claim here. This is clear as daylight. They didn’t do enough to defend her and that’s what drove Harry away.

How does one explain that?

May be everyone else are also believing that same thing that Gilly just told. Some Royals should be protected at the expense of other unimportant ones.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I don't know what they did wrong, but I think that Megan has made a few mistakes. But if you take out the racism angle and this story has nothing.

Why would you take out the racism angle lol?

Its the most critical part of the story. Its like saying if you take out bats and balls cricket is a nothing sport.

Both Harry and Meghan feel her race played a part in her treatment. Who are we to argue against this and take it out of the story?

 

[Gilly]

And Harry did say that the racial ankle played an important role in their exit from the Royal duties.

That was their two options, take the money on offer for being royals and fly under the radar or leave the company (royal family) and do your own thing. They are not being forced to be royals, plenty of royals have left the family quietly and gone about their own business. Megan wants the attention from the media but wants to control the content. Don't complain about the media then put yourself in the limelight.