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Has Pakistan finally lost the Kashmir Cause?

Pakistan army learnt long time ago that you don’t need to destroy a system if you can make it work for you. They made India related insecurity and Kashmir issue the central point of Pakistan politics to keep their hold on the nation for decades.
 
Pakistan army learnt long time ago that you don’t need to destroy a system if you can make it work for you. They made India related insecurity and Kashmir issue the central point of Pakistan politics to keep their hold on the nation for decades.
Every day I am thankful that Indian army is a class apart from these mercenaries...patriotic professional and gentlemen..compare to thugs..imprisoning a leader stealing. Elections losing wars and looting the country...heard their second highest general has retired to Canada...with billions of rupees....
 
Pakistan army learnt long time ago that you don’t need to destroy a system if you can make it work for you. They made India related insecurity and Kashmir issue the central point of Pakistan politics to keep their hold on the nation for decades.

Yeap and there are plenty of buffoons that will jump the minute the Pakistani military gives the orders which will keep Pakistan forever in an ungettoutable mess...
 
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The most ironic thing is Pakistan didn't give independence to the part of Kashmir it occupies illegally
 
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The most ironic thing is Pakistan didn't give independence to the part of Kashmir it occupies illegally and the kahsmiri citizens hate the guts of the pakjabi army
If India takes all of Kashmir, will it be nice enough to give it independence?
 
So why the expectation on Pakistan to give independence when you aren’t willing to do it yourself.

There are chances new Muslim nations may born/separate in a Muslim nations.... talking no new Muslim nations in countries other than muslims
 
If India takes all of Kashmir, will it be nice enough to give it independence?
We never claimed so..we said Kashmir is part of India. You also want Kahsmir to be forcefully part of Pakistan against their wishes but being the deceitful country that you are ..you say you are fighting for Kahsmirs independence. Hence the questions why is the part that you occupy not independent but ruled by a junta imposed govt that is unpopular due to the atrocities committed by it.
 
There should be a Mastercard ad on this.

No. of inches of Kashmir ceded by India to Pakistan = 0

No. of inches of Kashmir ceded by Pakistan to India = 0

The cost of bickering online regardless = Priceless.

For everything else, there's Mastercard.
 
We never claimed so..we said Kashmir is part of India. You also want Kahsmir to be forcefully part of Pakistan against their wishes but being the deceitful country that you are ..you say you are fighting for Kahsmirs independence. Hence the questions why is the part that you occupy not independent but ruled by a junta imposed govt that is unpopular due to the atrocities committed by it.
Pakistan’s claim has not been independence but a vote to decide on either India or Pakistan and that vote can only happen by a united Kashmir. A subtle difference. The original UN resolution on this which Pakistan supports is either India or Pakistan.

I’m not arguing against the military control. The military also controls the rest of the country, so with Kashmir there is no difference there.
 
We never claimed so..we said Kashmir is part of India. You also want Kahsmir to be forcefully part of Pakistan against their wishes but being the deceitful country that you are ..you say you are fighting for Kahsmirs independence. Hence the questions why is the part that you occupy not independent but ruled by a junta imposed govt that is unpopular due to the atrocities committed by it.
Majority of Pakistani Kashmiris support Pakistan. So your point about against their wishes is incorrect
 
Majority of Pakistani Kashmiris support Pakistan. So your point about against their wishes is incorrect
Unlikely at this point given the state of Pakistan. I have no proof but my guess is that if given a genuine choice they would opt to unite with Indian Kashmir and declare independence.

It's not in either country's interest to allow this - could have severe ripple effects in other disaffected provinces/states so despite all the bombast for public consumption, I suspect the current status quo suits both countries and their establishments very well.
 
Hundreds Kashmiri youths from Baramulla, Budgam, Srinagar, Kupwara & Ganderbal stepped forward to wear the Indian uniform ....

You are watching a clear shift.

This is what commitment to the nation looks like.

:kp
 
Hundreds Kashmiri youths from Baramulla, Budgam, Srinagar, Kupwara & Ganderbal stepped forward to wear the Indian uniform ....

You are watching a clear shift.

This is what commitment to the nation looks like.

:kp
Hahaha ...then why don't you pull out 9 lakhs to be replaced by local forces.
 
@The Bald Eagle highest number of security personal posted in Jammu &Kashmir including laddakh was during removals of article 370.

Those number are 3.4 L and most of them deployed at LAC ( Laddakh).

Now disturbed those numbers in LAC , LOC Jammu , Kashmir.

This is why I never believed on Pakistani fake propaganda and no one takes Pakistani claimed seriously.

:klopp :kp
 
🥱🥱... Fake propaganda exposed as usual
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India has sent thousands more paramilitary troops into its section of Kashmir, already one of the world's most militarized zones, after a string of targeted killings by suspected rebels in recent weeks, officials said Wednesday.

New Delhi has for decades stationed at least 500,000 soldiers in the divided Himalayan territory, which is also claimed and partially controlled by arch-rival Pakistan.

@The Bald Eagle highest number of security personal posted in Jammu &Kashmir including laddakh was during removals of article 370.

Those number are 3.4 L and most of them deployed at LAC ( Laddakh).

Now disturbed those numbers in LAC , LOC Jammu , Kashmir.

This is why I never believed on Pakistani fake propaganda and no one takes Pakistani claimed seriously.

:klopp :kp
 
🥱🥱... Fake propaganda exposed as usual
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India has sent thousands more paramilitary troops into its section of Kashmir, already one of the world's most militarized zones, after a string of targeted killings by suspected rebels in recent weeks, officials said Wednesday.

New Delhi has for decades stationed at least 500,000 soldiers in the divided Himalayan territory, which is also claimed and partially controlled by arch-rival Pakistan.

2.31 lakh security personnel are posted in J&K hinterlands & 1.12 lakh along LoC — only 1.68 lakh of them are from Army.
2.3L+ 1.1 = 3.4 L

These are official counted number not any random .

:klopp :kp
 
Why in the world would the Kashmiris on Indian side want to join a clown train like Pakistan, the country has no economy, no money and they practically given all control of thier side of Kashmir to China 🙃, Pakistan is also owned by US or China depending on the season. Maybe Kashmiris wouldve wanted to join Pakistan in the yester years but don't think that's the case now....

Pakistanis need to get out of this propaganda that's been fed to them since birth by their military on Kashmiri freedom blah blah, they need to do what is right, grab the military by the collar, throw them out of power and take their country back......

But who am I kidding Pakistanis are a lost cause, I have been saying that for years now....
 
Why in the world would the Kashmiris on Indian side want to join a clown train like Pakistan, the country has no economy, no money and they practically given all control of thier side of Kashmir to China 🙃, Pakistan is also owned by US or China depending on the season. Maybe Kashmiris wouldve wanted to join Pakistan in the yester years but don't think that's the case now....

Pakistanis need to get out of this propaganda that's been fed to them since birth by their military on Kashmiri freedom blah blah, they need to do what is right, grab the military by the collar, throw them out of power and take their country back......

But who am I kidding Pakistanis are a lost cause, I have been saying that for years now....

Because they are Muslim I suspect, and they know the hindutva plan is to eventually wipe out Islam in Kashmir.
 
Pakistanis need to get out of this propaganda that's been fed to them since birth by their military on Kashmiri freedom blah blah, they need to do what is right, grab the military by the collar, throw them out of power and take their country back......

Hmm I saw @Bewal Express rant about the pak army on a couple of Imran threads but then a few hours later he starts praying for Kashmir independence, which is another pet project of the khakis.

Some really confused two-faced posters in here. They deserve all they get from Fauj overlords :facepalm:
 
Hmm I saw @Bewal Express rant about the pak army on a couple of Imran threads but then a few hours later he starts praying for Kashmir independence, which is another pet project of the khakis.

Some really confused two-faced posters in here. They deserve all they get from Fauj overlords :facepalm:

Pak Army doesn't really want Kashmir independence, they only put it forward because they know India won't ever agree to it. Kashmir is their ultimate justification, why would they give it up?

You really shouldn't comment on Pakistan politics without some sort of understanding of the underlying machinations at play.
 
🥱🥱... Fake propaganda exposed as usual
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India has sent thousands more paramilitary troops into its section of Kashmir, already one of the world's most militarized zones, after a string of targeted killings by suspected rebels in recent weeks, officials said Wednesday.

New Delhi has for decades stationed at least 500,000 soldiers in the divided Himalayan territory, which is also claimed and partially controlled by arch-rival Pakistan.


They are sending half a million soldiers there. LOL.

They are scared and timid I guess. Need more soldiers to feel better.:qdkcheeky
 
Hmm I saw @Bewal Express rant about the pak army on a couple of Imran threads but then a few hours later he starts praying for Kashmir independence, which is another pet project of the khakis.

Some really confused two-faced posters in here. They deserve all they get from Fauj overlords :facepalm:
The PK ARMY (the Crooked Generals) couldnt care less about Kashmir or its independence, just like they dont care for PKs. On the other hand we do. Kashmiris need to be given a chance to decide as they have made it clear they hate the fascists in Ind.
 
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The PK ARMY (the Crooked Generals) couldnt care less about Kashmir or its independence, just like they dont care for PKs. On the other hand we do. Kashmiris need to be given a chance to decide as they have made it clear they hate the fascists in Ind.

The only reason you care about Kashmir is because the Pak Army MADE it a central issue for pakistanis for 70 years, otherwise nobody there would have cared about it. But I doubt you are honest enough to admit it.
 
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You really shouldn't comment on Pakistan politics without some sort of understanding of the underlying machinations at play.

You should be the last one to say this given your propensity to comment on topics you haven't a clue about. Thanks for the belly laugh, Cpt.
 
I do not think Kashmir can be liberated soon, unless China get involved. :inti

Pakistan can do it too but it will probably be too costly for them due to struggling economy. Not sure if Pakistan want to attempt it as they have more to lose.

China is the only country on planet Earth that have the capability, economy, gut, and track record to keep India in check and annex Indian territories.

China have grabbed 2000-38000 sq km of Indian territory thus far (including some in recent times).
 
The only reason you care about Kashmir is because the Pak Army MADE it a central issue for pakistanis for 70 years, otherwise nobody there would have cared about it. But I doubt you are honest enough to admit it.
The conflict started before the Generals got their dirty hands on a just cause. I want the Kashmiris to chose
 
I do not think Kashmir can be liberated soon, unless China get involved. :inti

Pakistan can do it too but it will probably be too costly for them due to struggling economy. Not sure if Pakistan want to attempt it as they have more to lose.

China is the only country on planet Earth that have the capability, economy, gut, and track record to keep India in check and annex Indian territories.

China have grabbed 2000-38000 sq km of Indian territory thus far (including some in recent times).
Pakistan should first take care of own cities.

Due to negligence of Karachi adminstration , 3 year old Ibrahim, lost his life after falling into an uncovered manhole in Gulshan-i-Iqbal. His body was recovered after hours of search.

I can't even watch how his mother crying because of incompetent of adminstration.

This is not about bashing Pakistan only ,india have same problem.

Kashmir jitna h usme happy raho , na india Pakistan ka lega na Pakistan india ka. Ye china ki fake propaganda failana band kar .kuch ni liya unhone.

:kp
 
Irony , Pakistani are talking about even a minor incident happened in india. :klopp :kp
In PK elections you have never been or will be anything more than boil on the backside.
In your politics its the hatred of us that makes or breaks your govt, hence the fake narratives for war.You guys obsess with PK, we live Rent free in your heads.
 
In PK elections you have never been or will be anything more than boil on the backside.
In your politics its the hatred of us that makes or breaks your govt, hence the fake narratives for war.You guys obsess with PK, we live Rent free in your heads.
I love the Pakistan fake propaganda just checked other thread how shamelessly Pakistan news outlets spread the fake propaganda about India.

Pakistan is a failed country which living on fake propaganda. Establishment sell them Lahori chooran always.

:klopp :kp
 
I love the Pakistan fake propaganda just checked other thread how shamelessly Pakistan news outlets spread the fake propaganda about India.

Pakistan is a failed country which living on fake propaganda. Establishment sell them Lahori chooran always.

:klopp :kp
Why are your elections based around PK. In PK if you stood only on some Ind platform you would get less than NS got in the elections. On the other hand.....
 
Why are your elections based around PK. In PK if you stood only on some Ind platform you would get less than NS got in the elections. On the other hand.....
This is how Pakistani think but indian voters don't Even think about Pakistan when they cast the votes. :klopp :kp
 
This is how Pakistani think but indian voters don't Even think about Pakistan when they cast the votes. :klopp :kp
Really? Have you told this to Modi because when Inds PM are having difficulty or needs, the guy spits hate against Muslims and PK.
 
You should be the last one to say this given your propensity to comment on topics you haven't a clue about. Thanks for the belly laugh, Cpt.


There you go again selectively quoting. You always cut out the parts which make your tummy go queasy. 🤣
 
There you go again selectively quoting. You always cut out the parts which make your tummy go queasy. 🤣

Funnily enough, the part that I cut out (about khakis using Kashmir as a rallying point) used to be an indian talking point on PP for more than a decade. It's funny to see Pak posters adopt this position now. Seems like we have finally made you see the light about your establishment; better late than never I guess 🤭
 
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Funnily enough, the part that I cut out (about khakis using Kashmir as a rallying point) used to be an indian talking point on PP for more than a decade. It's funny to see Pak posters adopt this position now. Seems like we have finally made you see the light about your establishment; better late than never I guess 🤭

What's even funnier is that you think Pakistanis ever supported the establishment in the first place. You should take your saffron specs off and realise that just because Pakistan establishment gets due criticism, doesn't make Indians any less so. The leadership in both countries is despicable.
 
What's even funnier is that you think Pakistanis ever supported the establishment in the first place.

That's a plain lie. I've been on here for close to 15 years and I remember numerous Pak posters, including several prominent ones, on here saying that establishment is very important for Pakistan because it keeps corrupt political parties in line. That sentiment has changed since Imran Khan was arrested.


The leadership in both countries is despicable.

Agree with this, but despicable for different reasons.
 
That's a plain lie. I've been on here for close to 15 years and I remember numerous Pak posters, including several prominent ones, on here saying that establishment is very important for Pakistan because it keeps corrupt political parties in line. That sentiment has changed since Imran Khan was arrested.




Agree with this, but despicable for different reasons.

You are always going to get a spectrum of opinions, but my experience here has been that the establishment is corrupt and unpopular, and has been for the last 20 years or so.
 

India Will Lose Kashmir If Fights Another War With Pakistan | Pravin Sawhney In-depth Analysis​





This is true - your cornered
 

India Will Lose Kashmir If Fights Another War With Pakistan | Pravin Sawhney In-depth Analysis​





This is true - your cornered

Pak fought 4 wars with India to liberate Kashmir and lost all 4.

Knowing they cant beat India in comventional war, they took route of terrorism and unsuccessful there too.

Kashmir chapter is closed since 5th Aug 2019.

Any attempt to distabilize and ghar me ghooske wala scene like on 7th May.

Pakistan unfortunately cant do anything.

:kp
 
Pak fought 4 wars with India to liberate Kashmir and lost all 4.

Knowing they cant beat India in comventional war, they took route of terrorism and unsuccessful there too.

Kashmir chapter is closed since 5th Aug 2019.

Any attempt to distabilize and ghar me ghooske wala scene like on 7th May.

Pakistan unfortunately cant do anything.

:kp

No. of inches of Kashmir ceded by India to Pakistan since 1947/48 = 0

No. of inches of Kashmir ceded by Pakistan to India since 1947/48 = 0

The cost of bickering online regardless = Priceless.

For everything else, there's Mastercard.
 
No. of inches of Kashmir ceded by India to Pakistan since 1947/48 = 0

No. of inches of Kashmir ceded by Pakistan to India since 1947/48 = 0

The cost of bickering online regardless = Priceless.

For everything else, there's Mastercard.

India is very happy with the status quo though, apart from some odd statements from some ministers about Akhand Bharat etc. I personally dont believe in the concept of Akhand Bharat and want nothing to do with POK. Our Gov should focus on developing Indian side of Kashmir and ensure the citizens there are feel safe, integrated and empowered. Modi Govt, as far as I can see from outside, is doing exactly that.

Whilst India is happy with status quo, Pakistan is polar opposite. Kashmir is a political cry for their army to stay relevance. So even if tomorrow PKR goes furthur down and citizens of Lahore/Karachi is struggling, PakMil will keep the Kashmir flame burning to gaslight its awaam.

#FACTS
#RajOnMonday
 
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