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Hasan Ali : The Test Bowler

Rayyman

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Makes his debut today in Dominica v.s. the Windies. Let's see how he goes.
:hasan
 
I hope he is not too short for test match cricket.


#Junaids facts


:salute
 
I back him to do well, will be good with a newish ball, up at 140 nipping the ball around. Would've been fun to see him in the away tours but he wasnt really an established name last year.
 
He has shown the ability to bowl a Test match line and length in some matches prior.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hasan Ali earlier receiving his Test cap from Azhar Mahmood <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WIvPAK?src=hash">#WIvPAK</a> <a href="https://t.co/RYI0Ivxrtf">pic.twitter.com/RYI0Ivxrtf</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/862321202429407233">May 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Hope he bowls with the same aggression and tenacity. He is a wicket-taker not a container, should not bowl back of length because he won't trouble the batsmen with his height. Needs to target the stumps, doesn't matter if he is a tad expensive as long as he can strike regularly.
 
Quietly confident this lad will do well. His pace is getting there and he moves the ball both ways off the pitch. Doesn't get the boon that Amir does but he's skiddy - a bit like Ryan Harris.

Looking forward to him and Amir bowling in tandem.
 
Even if he hasn't got the same pace, he should bowl the Dale steyn length In Test cricket.
 
He could be our very own Dale Steyn - never as good as him BUT infinitely superior to the plethora of rubbish that have been in the side over the last few years.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Just need Irfan to partner Hasan and Amir and our pace attack will be complete.
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No thanks, I'll take abbas for now who, while not being quick, can move the ball around. Irfan isn't much faster and doesn't have much skill with the ball, he's only being considered because he's tall. But the door shall be open for all, a couple or seasons in domestics and hopefully he'll learn.
 
aloo paratha said:
No thanks, I'll take abbas for now who, while not being quick, can move the ball around. Irfan isn't much faster and doesn't have much skill with the ball, he's only being considered because he's tall. But the door shall be open for all, a couple or seasons in domestics and hopefully he'll learn.
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You don't know what you're talking about lol.
 
Quite good first spell. 0/11 in 6 overs with one maiden. Though the pitches hard to bat on and WI are slow.
 
Bowled well. Made the batsmen play but didn't give away any easy runs either. Not much in this pitch for the pacers so don't expect him to run through the lineup.
 
Boi said:
Bowled well. Made the batsmen play but didn't give away any easy runs either. Not much in this pitch for the pacers so don't expect him to run through the lineup.
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Yea pitch is a disgrace to cricket
 
shaz619 said:
How has he bowled, I've missed the days play thus far
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Just tuned in now. He's bowling well for me. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] mentioned that he should stick to the attacking length he bowls in LO, I agree with this.
 
Reversing the ball, but a lack of pace meaning the batsmen have enough time to adjust their shot.
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hasan Ali earlier receiving his Test cap from Azhar Mahmood <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WIvPAK?src=hash">#WIvPAK</a> <a href="https://t.co/RYI0Ivxrtf">pic.twitter.com/RYI0Ivxrtf</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/862321202429407233">May 10, 2017</a></blockquote>
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He is even shorter than Azhar Mehmood ? Not made for test, could do Ok in ODI and T20.
 
moghul said:
He is even shorter than Azhar Mehmood ? Not made for test, could do Ok in ODI and T20.
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Exactly.

It's been really depressing watching Hasan Ali overpitch every single ball to batsmen who can go onto the front foot before the ball leaves his hand.

The lack of height is killing him.
 
Bowled good spells without taking wkts but encouraging that he kept it tight and didn't leak runs.

All of the bowlers cannot take wkts all of the time but if you can keep your end tight, it will create pressure and will help other bowlers get a wkt.

As the 3rd seamer he did a pretty good job in the 1st inns.
 
If some of us were selectors, Waqar Younis would never have played, ditto Marshall (none of them were much impressive in their initial few games...fast bowlers develop in time, they don't just show up and start blasting batsmen right and left!
 
Shutdown Corner said:
How tall is Hasan Ali?
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Just checked, he's 5'7. At least that's what one of the websites say. However, I don't doubt it much because Azhar Mahmood is 5'9 and therefore, Hasan Ali is genuinely 5'7.

However, I don't think it should be too much of a problem. Tests will always be a weaker format for him though. He really needs to up his fitness and compromise for his height by consistently bowling at pace (which he can) or else, I don't see him being anything more than an LOI specialist - which isn't too bad either.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Just checked, he's 5'7. At least that's what one of the websites say. However, I don't doubt it much because Azhar Mahmood is 5'9 and therefore, Hasan Ali is genuinely 5'7.

However, I don't think it should be too much of a problem. Tests will always be a weaker format for him though. He really needs to up his fitness and compromise for his height by consistently bowling at pace (which he can) or else, I don't see him being anything more than an LOI specialist - which isn't too bad either.
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Lol, Azhar is not 5'9.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Honestly, why doesn't PCB just release accurate heights of its players!! It was save us a lot of time. Wikipedia says he's 1.8m - which I converted into feet.
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1.8m is not 5'9 either.

It's 5.9 feet, which isn't the same as 5'9 - 5'11 is more accurate.

Having said that, Wikipedia is not really a reliable source for this type of information.
 
Hasan has ended the career of Rahat, and hopefully Abbas keeps this up so that we don't see much of the 'enforcer' either.
 
Hassan Ali and Amir are 2 world class bowlers mashallah..... and as my bro [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] said, Irfan needs to debut and play alongside them.
 
Mamoon said:
Hasan has ended the career of Rahat, and hopefully Abbas keeps this up so that we don't see much of the 'enforcer' either.
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AGRESSIVE isnt worthless in tests, the only format where this is the case. None the less this competition is only good and long overdue
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
AGRESSIVE isnt worthless in tests, the only format where this is the case. None the less this competition is only good and long overdue
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He isn't, which is why he shouldn't be discarded completely, but he should not be automatic selection.
 
Junaids said:
Exactly.

It's been really depressing watching Hasan Ali overpitch every single ball to batsmen who can go onto the front foot before the ball leaves his hand.

The lack of height is killing him.
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I still agree that height is a disadvantage but I still maintain what I said 8 months ago ie if he gains 5-7kph than he would succeed in all conditions and will have okayish time ie @35-40 on flat Aussie wickets.


I still believe he can become Right Arm Fast bowler.


Because He is short he will always need immaculate control over length.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Excellent yorker by the impressive Hasan Ali to get his maiden Test wicket <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/Y4NOunnaWT">pic.twitter.com/Y4NOunnaWT</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/863785657306685444">May 14, 2017</a></blockquote>
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I think he'll do well on pitches which are more bowler friendly. He's accurate and intelligent with his bowling, and he has that fast bowler's mentality which is missing in Rahat and Ehsan Adil.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
I still agree that height is a disadvantage but I still maintain what I said 8 months ago ie if he gains 5-7kph than he would succeed in all conditions and will have okayish time ie @35-40 on flat Aussie wickets.


I still believe he can become Right Arm Fast bowler.


Because He is short he will always need immaculate control over length.
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A fair comment.

And I still say that he needs to work amazingly hard on his batting.

Between his lack of height and his lack of pace, he will not achieve a better Test bowling average than a Rahat-like 36.

So to secure his place in the team, he needs to be able to bat higher than Mohammad Amir.

Which means a Test batting average of at least 30, high enough to bat at Number 7 as the fifth bowler, with Sarfraz elevated to Number 6.
 
Junaids said:
A fair comment.

And I still say that he needs to work amazingly hard on his batting.

Between his lack of height and his lack of pace, he will not achieve a better Test bowling average than a Rahat-like 36.

So to secure his place in the team, he needs to be able to bat higher than Mohammad Amir.

Which means a Test batting average of at least 30, high enough to bat at Number 7 as the fifth bowler, with Sarfraz elevated to Number 6.
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I don't think Hasan has capacity to become a Test Allrounder with batting numbers as you suggested. It would be great if he does become one.


I am fine with him batting at number 9 or 10. I don’t want him to be averaging 36 with thw ball after 15-20 Tests. Infact I would drop him after 5-6 Tests if he averages more than 40 with the ball. I expect him to do much better and Average 30-32 with the ball while if he adds 5-7 kph than He has the ability to average between 27-30.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
I still agree that height is a disadvantage but I still maintain what I said 8 months ago ie if he gains 5-7kph than he would succeed in all conditions and will have okayish time ie @35-40 on flat Aussie wickets.


I still believe he can become Right Arm Fast bowler.


Because He is short he will always need immaculate control over length.
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TalentSpotterPk said:
I don't think Hasan has capacity to become a Test Allrounder with batting numbers as you suggested. It would be great if he does become one.


I am fine with him batting at number 9 or 10. I don’t want him to be averaging 36 with thw ball after 15-20 Tests. Infact I would drop him after 5-6 Tests if he averages more than 40 with the ball. I expect him to do much better and Average 30-32 with the ball while if he adds 5-7 kph than He has the ability to average between 27-30.
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I don't think he can average significantly less than 36 with that height and pace.

As a bowler he will be a very poor man's Ben Stokes or even Wahab Riaz: totally reliant on bowling Yorkers to reverse swing.

So as a bowler his limit is probably Mitchell Marsh.

But Marsh is 10 inches taller (yes TEN inches), 10 km faster and has been dropped for not averaging 40 with the bat!
 
Junaids said:
A fair comment.

And I still say that he needs to work amazingly hard on his batting.

Between his lack of height and his lack of pace, he will not achieve a better Test bowling average than a Rahat-like 36.

So to secure his place in the team, he needs to be able to bat higher than Mohammad Amir.

Which means a Test batting average of at least 30, high enough to bat at Number 7 as the fifth bowler, with Sarfraz elevated to Number 6.
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30 eh? With Shadab also vying for a place we will be blessed with not one but two Sobers in the team.

Rahat averages 37 because he is inconsistent and prone to spraying it around. He has never taken a 10
fer even in domestic FC cricket, while Hasan already has 10 fers, in half the number of games.
 
New Yorker said:
30 eh? With Shadab also vying for a place we will be blessed with not one but two Sobers in the team.

Rahat averages 37 because he is inconsistent and prone to spraying it around. He has never taken a 10
fer even in domestic FC cricket, while Hasan already has 10 fers, in half the number of games.
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The shortest successful current Test quick is Dale Steyn.

But he is 4 inches taller than Hasan Ali and 10K quicker.

No 5'7 quick has had a decent Test career for over 60 years.

Even Ryan Harris was 3 inches taller.

So either Hasan needs to accept his limitations and work on being an all-rounder, or he will fail as a pure bowler.

Jason Holder - who is 12 inches taller - is equally slow and flawed as a bowler.

And he holds down a Test place as Third Seamer by batting at Number 8 and averaging 31.00 with the bat.
 
This Test

Mohammad Amir 32-15-40-2
Mohammad Abbas 35-13-58-5
Hasan Ali 26-6-43-1
 
Needs to improve his fitness.

Doesn't look 100% for 5 day cricket yet.
 
Junaids said:
I don't think he can average significantly less than 36 with that height and pace.

As a bowler he will be a very poor man's Ben Stokes or even Wahab Riaz: totally reliant on bowling Yorkers to reverse swing.

So as a bowler his limit is probably Mitchell Marsh.

But Marsh is 10 inches taller (yes TEN inches), 10 km faster and has been dropped for not averaging 40 with the bat!
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Poor man's Ben Stokes? Are you serious? Hasan is already better than Stokes. :))

Limit is Mitch Marsh?!? Hasan is already better than Marsh. 10 km faster?!?!? I think you mean 10 km slower. :))

Height is not as important as some make it out to be, and it should be marginal at best in determining a bowler's potential.
 
Rayyman said:
Poor man's Ben Stokes? Are you serious? Hasan is already better than Stokes. :))

Limit is Mitch Marsh?!? Hasan is already better than Marsh. 10 km faster?!?!? I think you mean 10 km slower. :))

Height is not as important as some make it out to be, and it should be marginal at best in determining a bowler's potential.
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He has 1 Test wicket.

Hasan Ali has no disadvantage in ODI cricket, where the rules basically mandate a uniform line and length.

But pace bowling in Tests is all about height, because it requires sharp lift from a full length to confuse the batsman as to whether to go forward or back.

Mohammad Amir's mediocre output since his return is because at 6'0 he is too short for modern Test bowling conditions. He spent the entire tours of England, NZ and Australia bowling 4 inches too short.

But Hasan Ali is 5 inches shorter than Amir!

To be frank, Amir is another whose shortness means that he needs to really improve his batting if he wants a long Test career. And his flirtation with retirement from Test cricket suggests to me that he knows it.
 
sadida97 said:
Hassan Ali and Amir are 2 world class bowlers mashallah..... and as my bro [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] said, Irfan needs to debut and play alongside them.
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Irfan, Hassan, Amir, Abbass and back up of Usman, Ruman, Ehtesham, Sadaf would be great. No more Rahat Ali, tanvir, Imran and Wahab. they should be discarded.
 
Junaids said:
He has 1 Test wicket.

Hasan Ali has no disadvantage in ODI cricket, where the rules basically mandate a uniform line and length.

But pace bowling in Tests is all about height, because it requires sharp lift from a full length to confuse the batsman as to whether to go forward or back.

Mohammad Amir's mediocre output since his return is because at 6'0 he is too short for modern Test bowling conditions. He spent the entire tours of England, NZ and Australia bowling 4 inches too short.

But Hasan Ali is 5 inches shorter than Amir!

To be frank, Amir is another whose shortness means that he needs to really improve his batting if he wants a long Test career. And his flirtation with retirement from Test cricket suggests to me that he knows it.
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If it were all about height then stats should correlate perfectly with height.

Everyone it seems is an expert on what a bowler needs to have to succeed,
and the last thing such experts get to talking about is wickets. Hasan has
been quite good at taking wickets in the longer format so let's see if he can
defy the Law of Junaid.
 
Excellent performance in the second innings on a placid surface and under pressure. Great bowling!
 
as Shoaib Akhtar said recently, if Hasan can learn outswing with same action ala Steyn, look out !! He has been impressive since debut and keeps getting better and better!
 
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