Have Bangladesh and Pakistan exchanged their position in international cricket?

[BD-fan]

Absolutely not. With most experts, we are done for this tournament. Got our ONE win out of the way. Many predicted us at the bottom, right below SL. Afghans and way up, so is Pakistan. So, you don't worry a bit. Besides, you guys are ahead in ranking anyways.

 

[Itachi]

Feeling jealous today are we? Yes?

nope brother. Kids will always be kids in front of MAN. so plan your road to SF while calculating defeats against the big 3.

 

[Chokli]

nope brother. Kids will always be kids in front of MAN. so plan your road to SF while calculating defeats against the big 3.

Lol, still under the delusion that Pakistan is a force in World Cricket eh?

 

[Itachi]

Lol, still under the delusion that Pakistan is a force in World Cricket eh?

big 3 = india, australia and england

pakistant doesn't count.

 

[BD Tigers]

nope brother. Kids will always be kids in front of MAN. so plan your road to SF while calculating defeats against the big 3.

Where was the so called "man" in the last 4 encounters against the so called "kids"?

 

[Itachi]

Where was the so called "man" in the last 4 encounters against the so called "kids"?

india lost to bangladesh? can't remember.

 

[ali2220]

Well done Bangladesh, hope you qualify for semis too.Bang are way better than Pak, full marks to them.

 

[Executioner]

Let's not get ahead so far. Shall we?

Bangladesh did perform well but still no match for Pakistan even in it's worst phase.

Like how BD thrashed Pakistan in every odi last 4 years?

 

[jusarrived]

Man to man I think Bangla is better than Pakistan comfortably , especially batting there is a massive difference. The only reason Bangla struggles against India is cos we have the same strengths in batting and it’s not easy to out bat us

 

[The_Odd_One]

Bangladesh will whitewash Pakistan if the two countries play a series right now.

Pakistan is barely better than Afghanistan and Ireland.

 

[BDfanforever]

Like how BD thrashed Pakistan in every odi last 4 years?

Let it go man...don't feed the trolls.

 

[hadi123]

Just talking about the odds mate.
Also can you stop talking about the 4 wins again and again????
3 of those 4 came in 2015 FGS

What honestly makes you think Pakistan start as favourites? Look at the Bangladesh team morale, spirit, body language etc then look at ours. They are playing better cricket than us. Simple as.

 

[MMHS]

One thing I can say - my interest grew in this game watching (& supporting) that PAK & WIN team .... the brand of cricket that PAK is playing today, if my own country wasn’t there, my interest would have dried out by now watching them. It’s not about W/L, but really demoralising and dull team to watch (& support).

 

[Markhor]

Let's just compare the leadership.

Mashrafe Mortaza's knees and ankles are completely shot after 16 years of international cricket. God knows how many surgeries he's had. But he is still one of the fittest members of the squad and is an inspiring leader.

We on the other hand have a captain who looks like he is in final stages of labour and has failed to produce meaningful and consistent batting contributions as captain.

Why is it a surprise that one team looks well drilled and determined, and the other looks beaten before the toss with uninspiring leadership ?

 

[aqeelPK]

Well done Bangladesh & many congratulations to BD fans. You guys always supported our team in last 2-3 decades. Now its time for us to return the favor. My prayers & full support is with your team in this WC & beyond.

 

[Chokli]

Let's just compare the leadership.

Mashrafe Mortaza's knees and ankles are completely shot after 16 years of international cricket. God knows how many surgeries he's had. But he is still one of the fittest members of the squad and is an inspiring leader.

We on the other hand have a captain who looks like he is in final stages of labour and has failed to produce meaningful and consistent batting contributions as captain.

Why is it a surprise that one team looks well drilled and determined, and the other looks beaten before the toss with uninspiring leadership ?

[MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION]

This is what I meant yesterday.

 

[Technics 1210]

Most of the social media comments I am reading say this was a shock/fluke win for BD.

What do our resident flukologists say?

 

[PakPremi]

Well done to Bangladesh. Pak is still a better team in my opinion but man to man Bangladesh has more fight and spirit. Only Wahab, Fakhar and Imam have shown some quality for Pak to fight out.

 

[pakistani pride]

They've improved, Pakistan has gone backwards.

Well they have been playing for AGES so at some time they have to improve.
But what major trophy or achievement have they realized.

I mean we have a special their for their win ina group stage that already shows their level, besides there are certain people comparing PEAK PAK TEAM to this current BANGLA team, I mean what the....

 

[light]

Most of the social media comments I am reading say this was a shock/fluke win for BD.

What do our resident flukologists say?

Which part of the win looked like a fluke to you? They actually played very good cricket as of late and was always on top after duplessi got out. Not anywhere close to a fluke. A proper win

 

[pakistani pride]

Most of the social media comments I am reading say this was a shock/fluke win for BD.

What do our resident flukologists say?

Not a fluke, SA are not that strong anymore.
Out of form PAK team won 2 out of 5 in SA vs SA.

 

[RainMan_]

I Have declared it two years ago.

And that declaration still stands.

Sometimes people misunderstand me as someone who's biased.

But the fact is I always make claims based on numbers, not emotions. Hence, more often than not I have been proven correct.

Anyway, BD has been the second best Asian team for quite sometime now.

ICC ranking has a lot of flaws.

 

[RainMan_]

Not a fluke, SA are not that strong anymore.
Out of form PAK team won 2 out of 5 in SA vs SA.

SA is very strong.

U'll see it when they'll play against other teams.

 

[BDfanforever]

No. Pakistan has Champions Trophy, BD yet to get Major tournament trophy.

 

[Technics 1210]

Which part of the win looked like a fluke to you? They actually played very good cricket as of late and was always on top after duplessi got out. Not anywhere close to a fluke. A proper win

I said what I am reading on Social Media. I already said that BD played well with their fearless batting.

But if you want to know why social media believes it was a shock result it is because SA have beaten BD 80% of the time in ODIs.

 

[TalhaSyed]

[MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION]

This is what I meant yesterday.

Yup - Sarfraz has a lot to improve on and isn't a perfect captain. I never said otherwise.

All I said was that the other players should stop hiding behind the captain and coach and actually step up and take responsibility as well.

Ab phir se shroo mat hona - there are still 2 hours till Iftar and I need my fruit chaat

 

[Amjid Javed]

In ODIs bangladesh can be see as a decent side and pakistan as minnows. But only in this format.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Where was the so called "man" in the last 4 encounters against the so called "kids"?

Like how BD thrashed Pakistan in every odi last 4 years?

Itachi is Indian.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Both Bangladesh and Afghanistan will overtake Pakistan in 10-15 years

They may take over if Pakistan doesn't change its domestic system.

 

[BaankeJi]

SA is very strong.

U'll see it when they'll play against other teams.

They already played against England and were crushed.

That being said, I had told earlier (before wc started) on pp that Bangladesh are a contender for a SF spot. They are expected to win against AFG, WI and Pakistan ( sorry pp'ers) going by their recent performances.
Now one more win against one of the top teams and they will very likely make it to SF.

 

[Executioner]

Itachi is Indian.

Aware of that but he mentioned pakistan.

He is one of those haters of BD cricket over the years.

 

[Artaxerxes]

In ODIs bangladesh can be see as a decent side and pakistan as minnows. But only in this format.

Bangladesh is decent because it is an experienced squad.Pakistan has Imam,Babar,Fakhar,Asif,Shadab,Hasnain and Afridi who not played a lot of cricket.In next couple of years we will four or five 90+mph bolwers ready for international duty.

 

[pakistani pride]

I Have declared it two years ago.

And that declaration still stands.

Sometimes people misunderstand me as someone who's biased.

But the fact is I always make claims based on numbers, not emotions. Hence, more often than not I have been proven correct.

Anyway, BD has been the second best Asian team for quite sometime now.

ICC ranking has a lot of flaws.

And what has BANGLA team achieved that this PAK team has not in the last 3/4 years?
To help you the single 2017 CT win trumps any (little) achievement Bangla has during their ENTIRE history across ALL FORMATS.

 

[Mainul]

Not really people still take BD lightly...accept it or not
unless they make a place in an ICC Semi Final they will be regarded as minnows one win here and there won't make you a formidable opposition which is why experts like McCullum, Warne have not rated BD among the SF contenders although this time they might actually make it.Pakistan despite being in pathetic form is still a SF contenders in the eyes of most experts.

Mcculum predicted only one win for us in this WC. Probably he didn't follow BD cricket recently.
Experts predicted Pakistan as SF probably because of their previous good appearance record in WC.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I Have declared it two years ago.

And that declaration still stands.

Sometimes people misunderstand me as someone who's biased.

But the fact is I always make claims based on numbers, not emotions. Hence, more often than not I have been proven correct.

Anyway, BD has been the second best Asian team for quite sometime now.

ICC ranking has a lot of flaws.

Absolutely . In the last two years, post CT '17, W/L against top 8 teams tells a story. Pakistan's W/L is worse than both BD and WI. They have only bashed Zimbabwe reserves and Lanka

 

[Bangladesh_Fan]

Why does Bangladesh have to exchange position with Pakistan? Surely there is enough space in the world cricket for a good Bangladesh and Pakistan team along with India, Sri Lanka and rest of the world

 

[Titan24]

Why does Bangladesh have to exchange position with Pakistan? Surely there is enough space in the world cricket for a good Bangladesh and Pakistan team along with India, Sri Lanka and rest of the world

Well put. Some posters have been making it look like only 1,2 teams can qualify from Sub continent to play cricket.

There are only 10-11 decent cricket playing nations in the whole world, I guess they all can easily co exist irrespective of where the stand.

 

[Starky]

Well done to Bangladesh. Pak is still a better team in my opinion but man to man Bangladesh has more fight and spirit. Only Wahab, Fakhar and Imam have shown some quality for Pak to fight out.

None of the pakistan batsmen playing in this team have scored meaningful runs which has won them the game...The last 11 matches you guys have managed to score 8 hundreds but none in a winning cause..They are just playing for there hundreds including your best batsmen babar azam ..And your lower order has imad wasim who hasnt won a single game for you with his batting and you dont even have a replacement for him..Its a sad state of affairs
.
And coming to your bowling you havent picked the bowler who has got you all those wickets in the last year and that is Usman khan shinwari..You have banked on the bowler who has got what 5 wickets in the last 1 year or so...Though amor got 3 the last match but those wickets dont give you hope ..

 

[Cricanalyst1]

In all fairness, bdesh is a much improved odi side and it’s not a big upset anymore when they beat a top team. Batting and spin bowling departments are strong. But I do think they need a couple of very good fast bowlers to be able to consistently win against top teams outside the subcontinent.

 

[Mkumar825]

One thing I can say - my interest grew in this game watching (& supporting) that PAK & WIN team .... the brand of cricket that PAK is playing today, if my own country wasn’t there, my interest would have dried out by now watching them. It’s not about W/L, but really demoralising and dull team to watch (& support).

You guys ( BD fans) deserve that what your team doing right now . Bangladesh fan so much passionate about their team doesn't matter win or lose but now they win more often , just need to be more consistent to recognize by world cricket as favorite .

 

[saeedhk]

Many Pak fans don’t want to accept the fact that Bangladesh is a much better side than us. Stats don’t lie. Bangladesh beat us in Asia Cup also. Have to give credit where it’s due. Pakistan are playing club level cricket while Bangladesh has improved. Not to forget, they whitewashed us 3-0 before also.

 

[Executioner]

I want a good pakistan and bangladesh side.

 

[gazza619]

Credit to Bangladesh for being so consistent.

They are still very thin in bowling. They need one or two good quickies to make them a stronger unit.

 

[IAJ]

Man to man I think Bangla is better than Pakistan comfortably , especially batting there is a massive difference. The only reason Bangla struggles against India is cos we have the same strengths in batting and it’s not easy to out bat us

Moreover I think BD have a mental block playing against India (just like Pak have had v India in WC matches).

 

[ali2220]

But now Bang shouldn't relax and should do their best to qualify for semis, if they do that then noone will be underestimating them in future.

 

[GenericBrand]

These unnecessary threads always comparing Pak and BD is the cause of drama, hate and toxic relationships between PPers

 

[babajee]

The gap has narrowed between the two teams but Pakistan at their best are still quite a bit better than Bangladesh at their best IMO.

 

[shah_1]

Bangladesh is better than us.


We have been pathetic for last 10 years

 

[Hasan123]

I am no fan of Bangladesh but they arent far from surpassing us.

I agree with [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] as well. The brand of cricket we play is not entertaining. Our current team other than a few players isn't very likeable. This isn't due to how they are people. This is due to their skill,lack of fight , and there is no personalities in the team.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I am no fan of Bangladesh but they arent far from surpassing us.

I agree with [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] as well. The brand of cricket we play is not entertaining. Our current team other than a few players isn't very likeable. This isn't due to how they are people. This is due to their skill,lack of fight , and there is no personalities in the team.

We just scored 1370 runs against the best ODI team in the world, in their conditions. We almost chased down 374. How's that not entertaining?

Yes, results wise we have been pants, but give credit where it's due.

 

[Hasan123]

We just scored 1370 runs against the best ODI team in the world, in their conditions. We almost chased down 374. How's that not entertaining?

Yes, results wise we have been pants, but give credit where it's due.

I don't find us particularly entertaining. We did well with the bat but our bowling was pathetic.

I think after Sri Lanka we are probably the least entertaining team at the WC.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I don't find us particularly entertaining. We did well with the bat but our bowling was pathetic.

I think after Sri Lanka we are probably the least entertaining team at the WC.

Then how is it that West Indies achieves these same scores, and they are entertaining? But when Fakhar almost chases down 374 with a blistering 138, Imam makes the highest score for a Pakistani against England, we are suddenly not entertaining enough?

Look, we are all angry with the team, but do remember Sri Lanka got destroyed 5-0 by South Africa, while our series could have gone either way. The two matches we won were convincing victories, and we should have won the 3rd ODI aswell had Sarfraz not lost the plot.

 

[Darkrai]

By the end of the world cup, it should be clear where both these teams stand.

 

[Pakpak]

They will batter us the way they play. I have criticised them and their trolls on PP but we look miles behind. The way they finished the innings we can only dream to, they have good hitters, accumulators, accelerators a good mix all through the team. And they bowled very cleverly. Granted this SA team is horrific so more performances will tell but they were good.

 

[Ronaldo7]

They will batter us the way they play. I have criticised them and their trolls on PP but we look miles behind. The way they finished the innings we can only dream to, they have good hitters, accumulators, accelerators a good mix all through the team. And they bowled very cleverly. Granted this SA team is horrific so more performances will tell but they were good.

For a second I thought I was on the pak vs eng thread lol.
You're talking about Bangladesh??? )

 

[Mamoon]

If we are talking 10-15 years outlook, I believe Pakistan may well be the best team in the world by that point.

Not really. Momentum is not on Pakistan's side - even if we change our rotten mentality as as well as transform our domestic cricket today, it is going to take many, many years before we see the results. Both Bangladesh and Afghanistan are heading in the right direction and it all about experience now.

 

[Pakpak]

For a second I thought I was on the pak vs eng thread lol.
You're talking about Bangladesh??? )

Please shoot me now, such words came out of me but desperate times

 

[Ronaldo7]

Not really. Momentum is not on Pakistan's side - even if we change our rotten mentality as as well as transform our domestic cricket today, it is going to take many, many years before we see the results. Both Bangladesh and Afghanistan are heading in the right direction and it all about experience now.

It's only a matter for time before their senior players retire. I doubt they have anyone to replace them.

 

[CadPakFan]

I guess we will find out on July 5

 

[Hasan123]

Then how is it that West Indies achieves these same scores, and they are entertaining? But when Fakhar almost chases down 374 with a blistering 138, Imam makes the highest score for a Pakistani against England, we are suddenly not entertaining enough?

Look, we are all angry with the team, but do remember Sri Lanka got destroyed 5-0 by South Africa, while our series could have gone either way. The two matches we won were convincing victories, and we should have won the 3rd ODI aswell had Sarfraz not lost the plot.

Because West Indies have exciting players coming through and you know it wont be a one off with them. You really see this line up scoring 350 against Bumrah ,Starc,Cummins ,and Kuldeep?

Also that was a one off series , before that you have really been entertained by watching us play lol?

Yes I remember that series but we have taken too many beatings before and after that series for us too read too much into it.

 

[AAli98]

In 95 W.I & Aus had a series where the winner was going to be the unofficial no:1

I recommend Bang v Pak series throw in a few tests/odis with the loser the official minnow either in uae or bang, as both pitches be equally pathetic

Bang are a tad better than pak, with Afghans being better than both (just beat pak & whitewashed Bang in Bang) Rashid khan & there fat keeper/batsman are far superior players than what pak bang can offer.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Because West Indies have exciting players coming through and you know it wont be a one off with them. You really see this line up scoring 350 against Bumrah ,Starc,Cummins ,and Kuldeep?

Also that was a one off series , before that you have really been entertained by watching us play lol?

Yes I remember that series but we have taken too many beatings before and after that series for us too read too much into it.

We play majority of our matches in the UAE, which is not too high on the list in terms of entertaining venues.

How many teams, besides England, can claim to score 350 against the likes of Bumrah, Starc, Cummins and Kuldeep?

 

[fuadomar]

They already played against England and were crushed.

That being said, I had told earlier (before wc started) on pp that Bangladesh are a contender for a SF spot. They are expected to win against AFG, WI and Pakistan ( sorry pp'ers) going by their recent performances.
Now one more win against one of the top teams and they will very likely make it to SF.

Eyeing for Sri Lanka, too.

 

[Executioner]

In 95 W.I & Aus had a series where the winner was going to be the unofficial no:1

I recommend Bang v Pak series throw in a few tests/odis with the loser the official minnow either in uae or bang, as both pitches be equally pathetic

Bang are a tad better than pak, with Afghans being better than both (just beat pak & whitewashed Bang in Bang) Rashid khan & there fat keeper/batsman are far superior players than what pak bang can offer.

No doubt Rashid Khan is an absolute star but we have players much better than Shehzad.

Lets compare man to man

Tamim - Shehzd
Soumya - Zazai
Shakib - Rahmat
Mushy - Hasmatullah
Mithun - Nabi
Riad - Najibullah Zadran
Mosaddek - Gulbadin
Miraz - Rashid Khan
Saifuddin - Dawlat Zadran
Mashrafe - Hamid Hassan
Fizz - Mujeeb

Now assessing performance man to man, in their respective positions from Afghanistan Rashid, Hamid and Nabi will come out on top while Naib will be on par with Mosaddek. And in terms of captaincy, its a no contest - We have arguably one of the best captain in the world and our fielding is better.

And as for Shehzad, he won't get into our side because already have batsman till no. 8 who average 30+ and who are not liability in the field. And don't forget he would slow down his partner in the other end.

And Afghanistan have not whitewashed us in Bangladesh. They played only bilateral in BD where we beat them 2-1. I m not sure 2-1 is equivalent to 0-3

 

[AAli98]

They played 3 match series in 2018 result:

Afghan won by 45 runs
Afghan won by 6 wckts
Afghan won by 1 run

If thats not a whitewash then what is

 

[AAli98]

Also the odi series ur on about 2-1 matches went right down to the wire, aint mighty Bang suppose to be thrashing Afghans

 

[Sidilicious]

What is the H2H between Pakistan and Bangladesh in WC? I can only think of 1 instance of them playing each other. Is that correct?

If Bangladesh win again, they would have a 2-0 lead over Pakistan in WC.

 

[Hasan123]

We play majority of our matches in the UAE, which is not too high on the list in terms of entertaining venues.

How many teams, besides England, can claim to score 350 against the likes of Bumrah, Starc, Cummins and Kuldeep?

That's why I'm telling you to not read too much into the batting performances against England.

India ,Australia,and England are capable of scoring big against each other.

 

[Usman Chadda]

That's why I'm telling you to not read too much into the batting performances against England.

India ,Australia,and England are capable of scoring big against each other.

Why?

 

[Hasan123]

Why?

Because we won't bat like against better bowling attacks.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Because we won't bat like against better bowling attacks.

England is not a good bowling attack?

 

[Hasan123]

England is not a good bowling attack?

Australia and India have stronger attacks. Archer makes them better than they were previously .

 

[Hasan123]

England is not a good bowling attack?

Why are you so happy about that series ? The 2 games where didn't defend those totals we didn't get enough runs so there is no need to do banghra over them. Furthermore I was told the performances against England don't matter, all that matters is the WC. When we do well it matters then ?

Also back to the main point , scoring a few 300 scores after losing most games against top sides and losing easily in most of those games . How do you class that as a entertaining team ?

An entertaining team will make games close and exciting. Just scoring 300 isn't entertaining. If you think this team is entertaining I really don't know what to say.

 

[saeed5646]

England is not a good bowling attack?

Yup .
archer and wood 145+ speed is not enough, woakes early swing and seam is toothless .Rashid and moeen ali is out of form since Pakistan have played them well in odi series. Rashid was just lucky to get 3 crucial wicket against Sa

 

[Usman Chadda]

Why are you so happy about that series ? The 2 games where didn't defend those totals we didn't get enough runs so there is no need to do banghra over them. Furthermore I was told the performances against England don't matter, all that matters is the WC. When we do well it matters then ?

Also back to the main point , scoring a few 300 scores after losing most games against top sides and losing easily in most of those games . How do you class that as a entertaining team ?

An entertaining team will make games close and exciting. Just scoring 300 isn't entertaining. If you think this team is entertaining I really don't know what to say.

We scored 361 in response to 374. Define 'making games close and exciting'.

 

[Hasan123]

We scored 361 in response to 374. Define 'making games close and exciting'.

Didn't we need to like 17 off that over with Sarfraz and another tailender at the crease lol? It looked close but we were never going to win in that situation.

Taking games close is having a realistic chance of winning the game in the last few overs. I think you know what that is.

Love you how ignored the rest of that and in particular the 2nd part which the reason you quoted me in the 1st place.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Didn't we need to like 17 off that over with Sarfraz and another tailender at the crease lol? It looked close but we were never going to win in that situation.

Taking games close is having a realistic chance of winning the game in the last few overs. I think you know what that is.

Love you how ignored the rest of that and in particular the 2nd part which the reason you quoted me in the 1st place.

Your point was our team is not entertaining. I responded with the last few scores our batsmen have made, which is what denotes entertaining matches for majority of the audience nowadays.

Now if you want to get into why we lost despite having made good scores, we can discuss that some place else.

You ignored my point about cricket in UAE making our team appear not entertaining enough. Expecting a post filled with "" and no rebuttals now

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Bump.

 

[Slim]

Looking at the time phrase of last two years and current world cup, is it fair to say, Bangladesh team's position at International stage in terms of overall quality is the same as Pakistan team in 1990's while Pakistan team's position is of Bangladesh team of late 2000's?

OP's career destroyed today.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Lolll