Have Bangladesh and Pakistan exchanged their position in international cricket?

[warcry]

i think we can end this thread here and now.

 

[Khanusman1]

Pakistan are back on our throne. Only thanos can stop us from winning the World Cup now

 

[saeed5646]

Absolutely not. With most experts, we are done for this tournament. Got our ONE win out of the way. Many predicted us at the bottom, right below SL. Afghans and way up, so is Pakistan. So, you don't worry a bit. Besides, you guys are ahead in ranking anyways.

Lol, still under the delusion that Pakistan is a force in World Cricket eh?

Where was the so called "man" in the last 4 encounters against the so called "kids"?

Like how BD thrashed Pakistan in every odi last 4 years?

Bangladesh will whitewash Pakistan if the two countries play a series right now.

Pakistan is barely better than Afghanistan and Ireland.

I Have declared it two years ago.

And that declaration still stands.

Sometimes people misunderstand me as someone who's biased.

But the fact is I always make claims based on numbers, not emotions. Hence, more often than not I have been proven correct.

Anyway, BD has been the second best Asian team for quite sometime now.

ICC ranking has a lot of flaws.

Too bad it didn't long last .Win against top contender than talk till than just shhhhhh

 

[Syed1]

That's why these kinds of threads are always bumpable. "One swallow does not a summer make"

 

[Ozeirk]

Lol, why can’t the Bangladesh game come sooner???

 

[Chokli]

Anything else?

Win the cup first, just 1 match.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Win the cup first, just 1 match.

The irony.

 

[Chokli]

Pakistan will always be Pakistan.

It's Sri Lanka and Bangladesh who have switched places.

Also South Africa has started to play like Zimbabwe

 

[octavian]

It's a fun thread

 

[saeed5646]

It's a fun thread

Let me tell you few interesting analysis from "expert" in term of going into worldcup
1)Bd opener are in top five
Pakistan opener at 7
2)Better player of spin bd in top 4
Pakistan at 7th
3)bd spin bowler in top 5
Pakistan spin bowler at 6

I will add few more with time....

 

[Ahmed216]

Let me tell you few interesting analysis from "expert" in term of going into worldcup
1)Bd opener are in top five
Pakistan opener at 7
2)Better player of spin bd in top 4
Pakistan at 7th
3)bd spin bowler in top 5
Pakistan spin bowler at 6

I will add few more with time....

Yes keep doing it ..this is a very interesting thread

 

[octavian]

Another one [MENTION=139510]saeed5646[/MENTION]

4) "PCB is bankrupt"

PCB is actually the 4th richest board in the world.

 

[barah_admi]

Hilarious thread.

Wondering if I should bash the minnows or not...

 

[Ozeirk]

I Have declared it two years ago.

And that declaration still stands.

Sometimes people misunderstand me as someone who's biased.

But the fact is I always make claims based on numbers, not emotions. Hence, more often than not I have been proven correct.

Anyway, BD has been the second best Asian team for quite sometime now.

ICC ranking has a lot of flaws.

Pakistan at its lowest is a better team than Bangladesh.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

As I said earlier, while their batting is probably technically better, until they can get pace bowlers who can get some respect from the opposition they will remain less dangerous opponents than Pakistan. Even the England tail enders were thumping BD death bowlers for 18 an over.

 

[Shoaib88]

Pakistan at its lowest is a better team than Bangladesh.

lol I'd say wait for the Ban vs Pak match for ENDGAME

 

[Hasan2K8]

Pace bowling, with the new ball first 10-12 is a worry for BD. Pace bowling is fine for post 25ov. But new ball bowlers with the new white ball needs to he found with a proper seam up 140+ bowler. Spin is alright, not the best but good enough, death bowling is good on most wickets especially on slow low turners.

Pak pace bowling department has much better options. BD batting is better IMO. But Pak batting of late has impressed me with them big 300’s against England.


Lord’s is where the match will be held between the two. We shall see

They’ll settle it then.

 

[ali2220]

Very dissapointed by Bangs, they never made any serious attempt to chase the total.Bangladesh will gain absolutely nothing by getting odd wins against india or Pakistan , unless they make the last 4 of this tournament, they wont be taken seriously.

 

[octavian]

[MENTION=139510]saeed5646[/MENTION] time for an update

 

[saeed5646]

[MENTION=139510]saeed5646[/MENTION] time for an update

Shadab hit 2 vital boundaries against eng +one match changing wicket of roy and root.he can be called all rounder due to his some good inning but that other dude is bowling allrounder without any substantial with bat in international cricket

Here you go you can guess the person

"May be expectations from not so good cricketers was too high, and playing too many soft games made them statistically look better - Shadab is definitely one of those. Don’t want to hurt feelings, but some of the comments in that Miraz comparison thread had to pay back at sometimes.""

 

[bujhee kom]

Another one [MENTION=139510]saeed5646[/MENTION]

4) "PCB is bankrupt"

PCB is actually the 4th richest board in the world.

Evidence, bhai?

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Not going for the target...will not understand it in a million years smh.

NRR/SF spot is not superior to winning or going down fighting. Do not try to convince me otherwise, World Cup points table format be damned.

 

[octavian]

Evidence, bhai?

Do you have evidence to the contrary?

 

[Saj]

Well so far at this tournament, Bangladesh are looking streets ahead of Pakistan in all areas of the game.

 

[pakistani pride]

Well so far at this tournament, Bangladesh are looking streets ahead of Pakistan in all areas of the game.

They have done well for their standards but you dont overtake PAK that quick.

What have they actually achieved?

 

[Executioner]

They have done well for their standards but you dont overtake PAK that quick.

What have they actually achieved?

Umm we thrashed West Indies who thrashed you

 

[JaDed]

They have done well for their standards but you dont overtake PAK that quick.

What have they actually achieved?

They are not far from it, the thing is they end up facing India a lot in KO matches and somehow our strength is their strength and we are better at those , but it doesn’t look far from when they actually might defeat us in a KO match someday and get glory..

 

[Executioner]

Too bad it didn't long last .Win against top contender than talk till than just shhhhhh

You could not even beat the no. 9 ranked side. Lost by 35 overs

 

[Muddaser]

All teams have peaks.

Peak Pakistan can win an international tournament.

Peak Bangladesh cannot.

 

[dravidthewall]

Yes today bangladesh batted well.But we will get clear picture when bangladesh face pakistan

 

[Finisher]

Pakistan will be going in as underdogs v Bangladesh now

 

[ARK Rafay]

Absolutely

 

[pakistani pride]

Umm we thrashed West Indies who thrashed you

Uhmm OK and your point is?
Bangla is playing cricket for ages, so all you got to show is that a team that defeated PAK lost to you?

 

[pakistani pride]

They are not far from it, the thing is they end up facing India a lot in KO matches and somehow our strength is their strength and we are better at those , but it doesn’t look far from when they actually might defeat us in a KO match someday and get glory..

Well then lets wait till they actually win something.
Playing cricket for ages yet never won a trophy..

 

[Titan24]

In ODIs BD are now a pretty good side, dont understand comparison with just Pak when there are many other teams playing cricket as well. In tests and t20s they still have miles to go but they can obviously improve in those formats as well.

Never understood the fascination some people have with Pak, being better than Pak or not being better than Pal wont change the fact BD is a pretty decent ODI team now.

 

[shah_1]

Sadly they have

 

[The_Odd_One]

And we were told by some delusional posters that Pakistan had better chances of semi-final qualification than Bangladesh according to some random websites.

 

[Ronaldo7]

And we were told by some delusional posters that Pakistan had better chances of semi-final qualification than Bangladesh according to some random websites.

Random sites??
Mate those were bookies. Millions of pounds are invested in them. You think they'd lie? )

If bd were more likely to go through why would the bookies make it more rewarding to select them??
You think they want to lose money?? )

 

[Ronaldo7]

Umm we thrashed West Indies who thrashed you

We beat Eng who annihilated you

 

[Sachin136]

The current state of Asian teams is

ODIs:

India
Bangladesh
Pakistan
SL/Afghanistan

Tests:
India
Sri Lanka (because of their win in SA)
Pakistan
Bangladesh
Afghanistan

 

[Ronaldo7]

All this talk about BD being the second best is just of no use.
Honestly, I won't be surprised if Bd lose their 4 remaining matches. We'll see how people react then.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Random sites??
Mate those were bookies. Millions of pounds are invested in them. You think they'd lie? )

If bd were more likely to go through why would the bookies make it more rewarding to select them??
You think they want to lose money?? )

Cricket is played on the ground and not on betting sites. Any person with an average IQ would know that Bangladesh had far better chance of going to the semis than Pakistan.

You can laugh as much as you want but you were proved wrong.

Pakistan with 3 points and NRR of -1.933 is far behind Bangladesh with 5 points in the same number of matches with a much better NRR of -0.27.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Cricket is played on the ground and not on betting sites. Any person with an average IQ would know that Bangladesh had far better chance of going to the semis than Pakistan.

You can laugh as much as you want but you were proved wrong.

Pakistan with 3 points and NRR of -1.933 is far behind Bangladesh with 5 points in the same number of matches with a much better NRR of -0.27.

Firstly, you're not even Pakistani so stop pretending.

Secondly, Just coz Bangaldesh have a better chance now doesn't make my claim that pak had a better chance before false.
It's like saying England had a better chance than pak of winning the ct17 but pak won so the people who said eng had a better chance to win were wrong. Like what? )

 

[Ronaldo7]

Cricket is played on the ground and not on betting sites. Any person with an average IQ would know that Bangladesh had far better chance of going to the semis than Pakistan.

You can laugh as much as you want but you were proved wrong.

Pakistan with 3 points and NRR of -1.933 is far behind Bangladesh with 5 points in the same number of matches with a much better NRR of -0.27.

Plus I supported my claim with evidence. You supported your claim with nothing. How much does an average IQ person invest in making money with the outcome of cricket matches??
Dumb comparison.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Just coz Bangaldesh have a better chance now doesn't make my claim that pak had a better chance before false.
It's like saying England had a better chance than pak of winning the ct17 but pak won so the people who said eng had a better chance to win were wrong. Like what? )

Bangladesh always had a better chance even before the last match. The reason was simple, Bangladesh had two winnable games against West Indies and Afghanistan. On the other hand, Pakistan had just one against Afghanistan.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Bangladesh always had a better chance even before the last match. The reason was simple, Bangladesh had two winnable games against West Indies and Afghanistan. On the other hand, Pakistan had just one against Afghanistan.

How can you say the only winnable match for pak was Afg? Like what in the hell??
Pak had 3 winnable matches:
Afg, Sa, Bd

 

[The_Odd_One]

How can you say the only winnable match for pak was Afg? Like what in the hell??
Pak had 3 winnable matches:
Afg, Sa, Bd

Afghanistan? Yes.

South Africa and Bangladesh? No. Both teams have beaten Pakistan easily very recently.

In what world are you living where Pakistan has winnable matches against those teams?

 

[Ronaldo7]

Afghanistan? Yes.

South Africa and Bangladesh? No. Both teams have beaten Pakistan easily very recently.

In what world are you living where Pakistan has winnable matches against those teams?

We won 2 matches against sa in sa.
Both teams have beaten pak easily?? )

MARK MY WORDS:

PAK WILL BEAT BD

And I'm gonna come back on this thread to show you how right I was.

 

[geraltofrivia]

By 2030 Bangladesh Pakistan will be heavily in favor of Bangladesh. India will have become what US is in basketball.

 

[Bangladesh_Fan]

We won 2 matches against sa in sa.
Both teams have beaten pak easily?? )

MARK MY WORDS:

PAK WILL BEAT BD

And I'm gonna come back on this thread to show you how right I was.

Well it is a good thing that now beating Bangladesh has to be put in Uppercase and delivered with Mark my Words phrase, nice to see someone taking the opposition seriously

 

[Ronaldo7]

Well it is a good thing that now beating Bangladesh has to be put in Uppercase and delivered with Mark my Words phrase, nice to see someone taking the opposition seriously

You're moving up the hierarchy. It's good for your cricket.

 

[Mueez]

Pakistan will beat Bangladesh.

Izzat ki baat hai yaar and Sarfraz isn’t a dumbo... or is he?

 

[BD Tigers]

You're really tempting me to swear. Are you that thick??
We won 2 matches against sa in sa.
Both teams have beaten pak easily?? )
You're a joker mate. Get a life.

MARK MY WORDS:

PAK WILL BEAT BD

And I'm gonna come back on this thread to show you how right I was.

I see that the line between optimism and stupidity is really fine with some.

Pakistan are a God awful side. Yes they beat England after playing against them 5 times before in English conditions but it was a mere fluke that went right to the final over.

We destroyed Windies who destroyed you.

I honestly don't know why Pakistan is playing in this World Cup. They do not look up to the mark compared to most teams including us.

South Africa, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Afghanistan are making up the numbers in this tournament. That's it.

I guess we'll just have to beat you guys to make you realise the same

 

[Mueez]

I see that the line between optimism and stupidity is really fine with some.

Pakistan are a God awful side. Yes they beat England after playing against them 5 times before in English conditions but it was a mere fluke that went right to the final over.

We destroyed Windies who destroyed you.

I honestly don't know why Pakistan is playing in this World Cup. They do not look up to the mark compared to most teams including us.

South Africa, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Afghanistan are making up the numbers in this tournament. That's it.

I guess we'll just have to beat you guys to make you realise the same

Do not talk big and fly high after two wins in the tournament brother.

It will haunt you guys back.

 

[light]

You could not even beat the no. 9 ranked side. Lost by 35 overs

But didn't they win against one of the WC contenders? You're usually a humble poster, poor stuff from you man. I would expect these kind of stuffs from rainmann or ashrafulrox.

You guys are doing well, keep your head up and don't stop for every little meaningless pebbles to turn over to prove a point

 

[hadi123]

Bangladesh were extremely professional today. They lost 2 quick wickets when Tamim and Mushfiqur got out in quick succession. If that was Pakistan, as we saw vs Australia and India, that would have led to a horrible collapse, but Bangladesh refused to budge, and won comfortably in the end! I think Bangladesh can give Australia a game. They'll be annoyed their game vs SL was rained off.

 

[pillionrider]

Reading through posts when B'desh wins, it seems BD posters are dictated by some random law to be humble in victory. What must Bangladesh win before this changes?

 

[vepu]

Sports is a mean of entertainment. You guys take it way to seriuosly.
Its high time Bangladeshi fans mature like our team has. Whats the point in belittling Pakistan? All teams go through ups and downs. We are on our way up. Enjoy it and spread the joy, not hatred. Thank you

 

[MenInG]

Sports is a mean of entertainment. You guys take it way to seriuosly.
Its high time Bangladeshi fans mature like our team has. Whats the point in belittling Pakistan? All teams go through ups and downs. We are on our way up. Enjoy it and spread the joy, not hatred. Thank you

Excellent post, but seems some hell bent on making sports something else

 

[ak619]

Afghanistan? Yes.

South Africa and Bangladesh? No. Both teams have beaten Pakistan easily very recently.

In what world are you living where Pakistan has winnable matches against those teams?

Pakistan has usually done well against South Africa in ICC events.

And given the state of the SA team this time around, I'm backing PCT to come up Trump's against them again.

Pakistan should also win against Afghanistan.

But winning against Bangladesh and New Zealand seems unlikely to be honest.

If there are no more washouts for Pakistan, I am expecting them to end with 7 points from 9 games.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Well so far at this tournament, Bangladesh are looking streets ahead of Pakistan in all areas of the game.

That was a fabulous victory by BD.

May they keep this up - although hoping not against Pakistan.

They seem to be arriving at their best 11 at the right time. An in form Shakib doesn't hurt.

 

[Executioner]

But didn't they win against one of the WC contenders? You're usually a humble poster, poor stuff from you man. I would expect these kind of stuffs from rainmann or ashrafulrox.

You guys are doing well, keep your head up and don't stop for every little meaningless pebbles to turn over to prove a point

Yeah i probably should not have said that. I guess i got a bit too emotional

 

[Sunzi]

Bangladesh for 4th.

Inshallah.

 

[Executioner]

See before the tournament started man to man, Pakistan looked more accomplished ACCORDING to me.

Pakistan are CT Winners and many of the players are part of the world's best T20I side. But Bangladesh unlike Pakistan are a much more professional unit. I have always maintained that Bangladesh are FAR fitter than Pakistan. This is not the words of only me but I have come across a post from [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] who told about the contrasting fitness between two teams. When you look at our team barring Mash and Mustafiz, its a team full of lean and fit individuals.

And Bangladesh have banked themselves on the likes of Soumya and Litton. These 2 batsmen are insanely destructive. Soumya is brilliant in the PP but has not played a big innings. Litton has technical problems but he is a super player, potentially the best batsmen to ever play for Bangladesh. Scoring 94 from 69 in your first world cup game chasing 322 in a must-win game, only players of certain class can do that.

 

[Executioner]

Did Pakistan and BD exchange positions? No. BD might be competitive in T20Is but definitely better in ODIs and inferior in Tests AS OF NOW. Yes Pakistan has a better history and kudos for them to be able to win 3 different ICC events and even having the Test mace for a while if I am not wrong.

Bangladesh have to work real hard to attain all these but right now Pakistan Bangladesh can turn into an amazing competition.

 

[AZMH_Sarwar]

This is my first write up on this site. Before going into bd vs pak topic, I would like to state my understanding about the teams' strength based on results of the matches in this wc.
1 or No win: small team
2 win: underdog
3-4 win: Fighting team
5 or more win: serious contender for top respect.

Now about bd vs pak issue, BD is still not contende to be among the best teams, but a good fighting team indeed. Present day BD reminds me the peak time of Zimbabwe. On the other hand, Pakistan is a contender due to their history and unpredictability, although I also must say their performance at this moment is worst than BD, equal to SL and marginally above Afghanistan and WI( despite their loss Against them). BD would bear pak in 7 games out of 10 games, I believe.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Not yet.

 

[Mueez]

Look don’t want to disrespect Bangladesh, they are a seriously good team but they have to win all the three ICC tournaments to replace Pakistan in cricket.

 

[Sunzi]

I wouldn't say so - with Pak you're talking about history and eras (acknowledged that we aren't the most successful team in cricketing history, however).

Currently though? I'd back BD to beat the same opposition more than Pak would.

Very very possible that we could lose to BD later in the schedule without it being a contest. Very good team of cricketers.

 

[khan_aa]

Lol at this thread. No significant test wins, no significant big tournament wins, handful of odi wins here and there, Arrogant fans...

Oak cricket is going through a bad patch but bd is still far far below Pakistan’s accomplishments and history

 

[anoop]

Look don’t want to disrespect Bangladesh, they are a seriously good team but they have to win all the three ICC tournaments to replace Pakistan in cricket.

NO. They will have to win only one.

 

[topspin]

A win against Pakistan and finishing above them in the group will seal that for sure. I wish we had Mushfiqur Rahim, Shakib Al Hasan and Mehidy Hasan Miraz.

 

[khan_aa]

We have superior players, better passion and have done well overall. Right now Pakistan is going through a tough time because of isolation, poor domestic and under pressure leadership.

We will bounce back. Don’t you worry.

 

[Hasan123]

Pakistan history is obviously bigger than Bangladesh. The gap between the 2 teams however is not. In a close game I would back Bangladesh. I would back most teams in a close against Pakistan as we struggle with pressure. If we went ahead, Pakistan would probably win the game.

Anyway the gap isn't close , on any given day either side could win. If PCB don't get their act together , I wouldn't be shocked if Bangladesh jump ahead by 2023 WC. Bangladesh domestic must be improving. Miraz, Saifuddin, and Mosaddek are solid and dependable cricketers. Be interesting to see who replaces experience core , and if Bangladesh can produce quick bowlers.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Knocked out of the WC before pak...

 

[ZaudStorm]

Knocked out of the WC before pak...

Pakistan will be out tomorrow. Pakistan is a mediocre team just like Bangladesh and emotions won't change facts. Don't forget that you guys didn't win a single game for several months before the WC. And got bowled out for 105 against WI. Nevertheless, hope Pakistan does well in the future. Best of luck.

 

[Savak]

Bangladesh has never been outplayed by Pakistan for a very long time in an international game.

In the 2012 Asia Cup, the first game against them was close and we won the final by 2-3 runs. The next game we played against them in the 2014 Asia Cup was won just because of a freak innings by Afridi where they scored 324 runs otherwise we were losing that game. We beat them in the T-20 World Cup game in 2014. Then they whitewashed us 3-0 in the ODI's and 1-0 in the T-20 series. Then they beat us in the Asia Cup T-20 game effectively knocking us out of the tournament. We beat them in the T-20 World Cup game in 2016 and they beat us in the Asia Cup game in 2018.

Overall Bangladesh has been bossing us in the last 10 years and based on what i have seen in the tournament, they are ahead of us in all departments except for pace but even in the pace bowling department you don't know which Mustafiz will turn up, if it is any team which needs to play out of its skin its Pakistan, not Bangladesh and their hatred of Pakistan is so intense that preventing Pakistan from qualifiying for the semi's will be a major win for them.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Bangladesh has never been outplayed by Pakistan for a very long time in an international game.

In the 2012 Asia Cup, the first game against them was close and we won the final by 2-3 runs. The next game we played against them in the 2014 Asia Cup was won just because of a freak innings by Afridi where they scored 324 runs otherwise we were losing that game. We beat them in the T-20 World Cup game in 2014. Then they whitewashed us 3-0 in the ODI's and 1-0 in the T-20 series. Then they beat us in the Asia Cup T-20 game effectively knocking us out of the tournament. We beat them in the T-20 World Cup game in 2016 and they beat us in the Asia Cup game in 2018.

Overall Bangladesh has been bossing us in the last 10 years and based on what i have seen in the tournament, they are ahead of us in all departments except for pace but even in the pace bowling department you don't know which Mustafiz will turn up, if it is any team which needs to play out of its skin its Pakistan, not Bangladesh and their hatred of Pakistan is so intense that preventing Pakistan from qualifiying for the semi's will be a major win for them.

Better in all departments?

Is that why they'll finish 7th and we'll finish at least 5th?

 

[Savak]

Pakistan history is obviously bigger than Bangladesh. The gap between the 2 teams however is not. In a close game I would back Bangladesh. I would back most teams in a close against Pakistan as we struggle with pressure. If we went ahead, Pakistan would probably win the game.

Anyway the gap isn't close , on any given day either side could win. If PCB don't get their act together , I wouldn't be shocked if Bangladesh jump ahead by 2023 WC. Bangladesh domestic must be improving. Miraz, Saifuddin, and Mosaddek are solid and dependable cricketers. Be interesting to see who replaces experience core , and if Bangladesh can produce quick bowlers.

Pakistan has too many weaknesses, Bangladesh has better spinners, Mustafiz is a better ODI bowler than Amir and more reliable at the death, they have the better batsmen who are more reliable to chase 300 runs, their batsmen play spinners better, they bat deep.

Pakistan barring the pace department is very weak in the spin bowling department, middle overs, fitness, fielding, confidence against Bangladesh and batting. We will have our work cut out on Friday

 

[saeed5646]

Pakistan will be out tomorrow. Pakistan is a mediocre team just like Bangladesh and emotions won't change facts. Don't forget that you guys didn't win a single game for several months before the WC. And got bowled out for 105 against WI. Nevertheless, hope Pakistan does well in the future. Best of luck.

Yeah we did not won from last few month but the mental strength and courage which is shown by these youngsters in worldcup is waybetter than your experience players .