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Sarfraz did, however, fire a warning in the direction of Wahab Riaz and Mohammad Amir to up their game in the Caribbean as the senior members of a pace unit that hasn’t delivered the goods on their recent travels.

“We have talked to our senior pacers [Wahab and Amir] that they now have enough matches under their belt and need to start winning matches for Pakistan,” said Sarfraz.“

Seems like the think-tank is starting to lose a bit of patience with the pace bowling pair.
 
Its about time to be honest, they can both do it but on a more consistency please boys!!
 
Agreed, can't remember the last time either of them won an ODI for Pakistan. Actually, I doubt that they have ever done that.

They should turn the heat up on them because there are other pacers waiting in the ranks.

Should also tell Wahab to step it up with the bat. He's a complete blind slogging tailender these days.
 
Good comments. Amir needs to stop being sorry for himself and get back that fire he had in 09-10. Riaz switches off for these low-priority series but has to become more consistent.

Amir, Junaid, Hassan and Riaz should all be in our XI for the Champions Trophy. Really hope Sarfaraz sees this too.
 
dildildalwalla said:
Someone should turn up the heat on Sarfraz to stop dropping catches...
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Sarfaraz should stop dropping catches

Amir and Wahab should start picking up wickets

Sohail Khan should stop being a bodybuilder and start being a fast bowler

Junaid Khan should stop chucking (allegedly)

Imad Wasim should stop being a glorified darter

Hafeez should stop being absolute garbage

Malik should stop scoring a fifty everytime he is about to be dropped

etc

etc



Even the sun doesn't produce enough heat that is needed to fix this mediocre side.
 
Amir is young enough to turn things around however given he'll be 32 soon you have to wonder how much longer Pakistan will wait for Wahab to start performing consistently. He has one good match followed by 2 or 3 average matches. And this keeps on happening.
 
Lol

They have no other options
No other bowlers
And the batsman are the problem
And catching
 
They need it, especially Riaz, his continuous selection in odis is scandalous

Those bouncers to Shane Watson have actually hurt pakistan cricket, we didnt win the game and now its for some reason elevated Riaz to a superstar level which he hasnt earned
 
Aamir at the moment does not deserve selection in the team. He has been outperformed by Shinwari and Sohail Khan in Karachi Kings. Aamir needs some serious work. Wahab is too inconsistent. This is good from Sarfraz. Every now and then you need a wake up call.
 
Natures sweet revenge on amir ..either he bowls rubbish or catches are dropped of his bowling.
 
I like the fact that Sarfraz has brought this up. Players need to take responsibility and it seems a while since a Pak bowler led the team to victory.
 
Saj said:
I like the fact that Sarfraz has brought this up. Players need to take responsibility and it seems a while since a Pak bowler led the team to victory.
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Not a while ago,Our last victory,that was 2nd ODI against Australia was due to Amir's 3 wickets and Junaid's 2 wickets which eventually led to a 230 target otherwise our pathetic batsmen wouldn't have chased anything over 300,which is a par score.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Not a while ago,Our last victory,that was 2nd ODI against Australia was due to Amir's 3 wickets and Junaid's 2 wickets which eventually led to a 230 target otherwise our pathetic batsmen wouldn't have chased anything over 300,which is a par score.
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Rare feat these days.
 
About time. Amir has been rubbish in Tests and Wahab cannot bowl two good spells in succession in spite of playing for years.
 
Syed1 said:
Sarfaraz should stop dropping catches

Amir and Wahab should start picking up wickets

Sohail Khan should stop being a bodybuilder and start being a fast bowler

Junaid Khan should stop chucking (allegedly)

Imad Wasim should stop being a glorified darter

Hafeez should stop being absolute garbage

Malik should stop scoring a fifty everytime he is about to be dropped

etc

etc



Even the sun doesn't produce enough heat that is needed to fix this mediocre side.
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We can pick holes like this in every player and every team on the planet but, as you have quite aptly shown, that would just make anyone look stupid.

Sarfraz Ahmed is a wicket keeper, thus he should be taking catches. Amir would have more wickets if those same catches had stuck. It's as simple as that.
 
It's surprising that Wahab is considered a superstar in Pakistan. He is as mediocre as they come with few performance here and there. Domestic T20s are ok but should not play T20i & ODIs at all. In Test matches he still can be useful though as third pacer.

Amir is still enjoying the fruits of early (before fixing saga) success. He hasn't done anything notable after his comeback. Since we are so short of superstars in our current setup and Amir was brought back as a saviour and already as a superstar. People including some reputable journalists refuse to accept that he is not the bowler he once promised to be. His bowling in Test Series against Australia was substandard. He had below average PSL. You just can't go on that he has been victim of drop catches etc because every Pakistani fast bowler in the history has been.
 
proud_pakistani said:
Aamir at the moment does not deserve selection in the team. He has been outperformed by Shinwari and Sohail Khan in Karachi Kings. Aamir needs some serious work. Wahab is too inconsistent. This is good from Sarfraz. Every now and then you need a wake up call.
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T20 is different from ODIs and test cricket... Aamir still swings the ball, he is still a good bowler in ODIs and test cricket and more useful with his swing upfront..Wahab is very inconsistent with the limited skillset which is pace only... With 2 newballs in place his reverse swing will never come into play in ODIs, he can play tests and get away with 4 overs in T20s...Surely in ODIs he is very much off colour, need to improve a lot...
 
ask_analyse_act said:
T20 is different from ODIs and test cricket... Aamir still swings the ball, he is still a good bowler in ODIs and test cricket and more useful with his swing upfront..Wahab is very inconsistent with the limited skillset which is pace only... With 2 newballs in place his reverse swing will never come into play in ODIs, he can play tests and get away with 4 overs in T20s...Surely in ODIs he is very much off colour, need to improve a lot...
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The unfortunate thing is we haven't found a replacement for these same bowlers in years. Wahab has been bowling garbage for years but he still is one of the first names on the team sheet. Amir was out of the game for 5 years and he had to be rushed back because otherwise we were having to play Rahat and Imran.

PP experts were hyping Irfan Jr. before the PSL and we all saw what a dud he turned out to be. Same with Mudassir who has always been wayward but atleast there is something to work with. However he has a long ways to go no matter what the experts on here say.

There aren't good bowlers coming up who would replace Amir and Wahab.
 
shaz619 said:
Who should we replace them with then?
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That is a different issue. However, it was important to tell them that they are not performing up to the standards and need to deliver. Very impressed by Sarfraz's comments, a clear message that they cannot take their positions for granted. On the other hand, Mickey has been too diplomatic in his comments and has refused to accept that Amir has been average so far.
 
dildildalwalla said:
We can pick holes like this in every player and every team on the planet but, as you have quite aptly shown, that would just make anyone look stupid.

Sarfraz Ahmed is a wicket keeper, thus he should be taking catches. Amir would have more wickets if those same catches had stuck. It's as simple as that.
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How many catches were dropped of him recent times? This dropped catches excuse is becoming weirder and weirder considering in recent matches other bowlers catches were dropped and no one made excuses for them.
 
shaz619 said:
Who should we replace them with then?
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I will take sohail Khan or rahat as 11th man to bat. But need a good thinking captain to use rahat. Rahat is not a death bowler, in conditions out of ASIA. I think he can be used to best effective from overs 15-39. Rahat is fit has pace and can swing.
 
Syed1 said:
The unfortunate thing is we haven't found a replacement for these same bowlers in years. Wahab has been bowling garbage for years but he still is one of the first names on the team sheet. Amir was out of the game for 5 years and he had to be rushed back because otherwise we were having to play Rahat and Imran.

PP experts were hyping Irfan Jr. before the PSL and we all saw what a dud he turned out to be. Same with Mudassir who has always been wayward but atleast there is something to work with. However he has a long ways to go no matter what the experts on here say.

There aren't good bowlers coming up who would replace Amir and Wahab.
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There is and these bowlers are good too. There was captaincy issue for the last 7 years. Apart from MYK and afridi not many of them are good fielding/bowling captains. Really looking fwd to see Sarfraz ODI captaincy
 
Indiafan said:
How many catches were dropped of him recent times? This dropped catches excuse is becoming weirder and weirder considering in recent matches other bowlers catches were dropped and no one made excuses for them.
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In the 3 test series played last year (England, West Indies ans NZ) there were 12 catches dropped off his bowling from what I personally saw. There may have been a couple others I didn't get to watch. I think 5 of them alone came in England.

I didn't get to watch large chunks of the Aussie test series because of the time difference so I can't comment on that although I'm pretty sure there was at least 1 or 2 catches dropped. So not only are their wickets being lost due to dropped catches, it affects a bowlers mentality and his trust in the fielders around him, so he is unlikely to ball those lines because he doesn't feel any confidence in his team mates.

In terms of ODIs, he averages 13 and 18 respectively against NZ and Windies, all in his come back. In Aus he averaged 30 with 12 wickets, which is pretty good, once again, on the back off a series where apart from Azam, there werent many ODI stand outs. His contribution was also match winning.

In terms of your "other bowlers" comment, what other bowlers are you talking about that have had 12 catches dropped off them in 3 test series, comprising of 9 tests? That's more than a catch per match.
 
Completely agree with Sarfraz. Aamir and Wahab need to start winning matches for Pakistan.
 
Amir really needs to get his swing back because, barring a few new-ball overs it's been seriously lacking since his comeback.

Asking Wahab to do anything different is rather a useless ploy. The man's ego is still set when he bowled against Australia and Watson.

Ne bowlers are the key to move Pakistan forward. Relying on Wahab, Irfan, Tanvir etc has gotten us nowhere fast.
 
pretty straight forward statement by Sarfraz. We need early wickets if we wanna win. Fast bowlers have to step up.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
I will take sohail Khan or rahat as 11th man to bat. But need a good thinking captain to use rahat. Rahat is not a death bowler, in conditions out of ASIA. I think he can be used to best effective from overs 15-39. Rahat is fit has pace and can swing.
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No. No. No no no no.

Enough with this limp biscuit already. He's had his chance. And so, nearly, has Amir and Wahab.

Can't know what lasting performers will emerge out of the youngsta pipeline but at some point we have to find out. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

Give a go to the top domestic performers in past years and if they fail rinse and repeat.
 
New Yorker said:
No. No. No no no no.

Enough with this limp biscuit already. He's had his chance. And so, nearly, has Amir and Wahab.

Can't know what lasting performers will emerge out of the youngsta pipeline but at some point we have to find out. Nothing ventured nothing gained.

Give a go to the top domestic performers in past years and if they fail rinse and repeat.
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U say rahat is unfit then do u think the top domestic performers have int'l standard fitness...hell no...
 
I really admire how Sarfraz own's leadership and sets an example of coming up first. His demeanor changes and it reflects, at least should, a positive outlook on the team with a hope.
 
The thing is though if you make these statements as a Pak skipper you have to walk the walk not just talk the talk.
 
Saj said:
The thing is though if you make these statements as a Pak skipper you have to walk the walk not just talk the talk.
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Agreed. And I think he's making a better effort in that compared to the last 3 captains. Still learning the leadership role and will need 3 years to prove his capabilities.
 
I expect the Champions trophy will be the last we see of Wahab. Amir is far from finished but needs a wake up call. Glad to see him dropped from t20.
 
Poor show again by Wahab!

4 overs for 35!
 
Ellipsism said:
At least one performs.

When was the last time Amir changed the outlook of a game?
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At least one does not give away runs for free

Seriously, you know things are bad when...we argue over which bowler is more mediocre...
 
Amir's definitely not had the best of fortunes as far as catches being held off his bowling since his return, but to place this expectation after he's been on the team for a year is a fair one now because he clearly has the ability. I thought his opening spells against Aussies in the first three ODIs were terrific. Hopefully he builds on that because he was making the ball talk despite not taking wickets by the bucket loads.

But as far as Wahab is concern ... do people REALLY expect him to magically transform into a wicket taker, forget being a match winner? Wahab doesn't have the skill and he hasn't improved much over the years after a promising start. He is who he is. It's time to look elsewhere.

Amir, Junaid and Hasan should be the trio of quicks in LOIs for us. And we should scout for upcoming pacers to be their backups who would keep the former trio on the edge.

Until we let go of Wahab and Tanvir, we'll never really move on.
 
dildildalwalla said:
In the 3 test series played last year (England, West Indies ans NZ) there were 12 catches dropped off his bowling from what I personally saw. There may have been a couple others I didn't get to watch. I think 5 of them alone came in England.

I didn't get to watch large chunks of the Aussie test series because of the time difference so I can't comment on that although I'm pretty sure there was at least 1 or 2 catches dropped. So not only are their wickets being lost due to dropped catches, it affects a bowlers mentality and his trust in the fielders around him, so he is unlikely to ball those lines because he doesn't feel any confidence in his team mates.

In terms of ODIs, he averages 13 and 18 respectively against NZ and Windies, all in his come back. In Aus he averaged 30 with 12 wickets, which is pretty good, once again, on the back off a series where apart from Azam, there werent many ODI stand outs. His contribution was also match winning.

In terms of your "other bowlers" comment, what other bowlers are you talking about that have had 12 catches dropped off them in 3 test series, comprising of 9 tests? That's more than a catch per match.
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Well put, context goes missing for many on here when scrutinizing Amir. We all would be talking a different story altogether if even HALF of those catches were held.

People have to realize that to beat an elite team like the Aussies, you need multiple wicket takers because they are simply near invincible in their back yard. There's a reason why only South Africa seems to do well and all others struggle there.

Amir has been in the team for a year now, and just like with Sharjeel's encouraging improvement, I'm anticipating that Amir will start to produce more results now that he has a full year behind him.

I'm all for expecting great things from Amir and holding him to account given his skill level but I feel like too many people keep overlooking the context you have provided.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
U say rahat is unfit then do u think the top domestic performers have int'l standard fitness...hell no...
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No I didnt say he's unfit. 'Limp biscuit' describes his irresistible on-field energy

The problem is that he's TTF. Has had enough chances.
 
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New Yorker said:
No I didnt say he's unfit. 'Limp biscuit' describes his irresistible on-field energy

The problem is that he's TTF. Has had enough chances.
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yes on-field energy is a concern but if he is taking wickets with the 15 overs old ball in ODI cricket ... he has pace, swing and bounce and will definitely disrupt the flow of runs with fields spread out in between 15-39 overs if used aggressively and wisely in conditions outside Asia..
 
Wahab was awful in the last match, but he'll only need 1 good match out of 4 to book his place for the next series, smh. Seniority culture will destroy Pakistan team, Rumman and Shinwari deserve to play t20 more than Wahab
 
Citizen4 said:
Wahab was awful in the last match, but he'll only need 1 good match out of 4 to book his place for the next series, smh. Seniority culture will destroy Pakistan team, Rumman and Shinwari deserve to play t20 more than Wahab
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but he was only player apart from obvious Shaddab who got the praise from the skipper.
 
boomboom6 said:
Amir's definitely not had the best of fortunes as far as catches being held off his bowling since his return, but to place this expectation after he's been on the team for a year is a fair one now because he clearly has the ability. I thought his opening spells against Aussies in the first three ODIs were terrific. Hopefully he builds on that because he was making the ball talk despite not taking wickets by the bucket load
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Basic problem with Amir (like Mistafizz) is that physically he is not well built enough to bowl pace for long without getting injured.
 
Napa said:
Basic problem with Amir (like Mistafizz) is that physically he is not well built enough to bowl pace for long without getting injured.
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Despite not being well built his pace is considerably faster then Mustafiz who bowls at 130-135 whereas Amir bowls around 140-145.
 
With Amir, Hasan and Wahab we have three pacers who operate in the 140+ range. Slowly and steadily we are getting back to the Pakistan off old and getting rid of this "spinners are supreme era" that was prevalent under certain captains.


Amir and Hasan are supreme quality and will there for a while. Wahab is hit or miss and don't see him lasting long. Junaid can also crank it up to 140s but he is nowhere near the quality of Hasan or Amir and will struggle to nail down a spot in the side.


I don't even want to talk about Rahat, Imran or Sohail.
 
Syed1 said:
With Amir, Hasan and Wahab we have three pacers who operate in the 140+ range. Slowly and steadily we are getting back to the Pakistan off old and getting rid of this "spinners are supreme era" that was prevalent under certain captains.


Amir and Hasan are supreme quality and will there for a while. Wahab is hit or miss and don't see him lasting long. Junaid can also crank it up to 140s but he is nowhere near the quality of Hasan or Amir and will struggle to nail down a spot in the side.


I don't even want to talk about Rahat, Imran or Sohail.
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Sohail Khan picks up wickets, do you want a bowler to run in bowl fast, have near edge misses then go for plenty or have a bowler that picks up wickets at crucial moments?

Wickets win you matches not economical spells allround
 
GudduBadmash said:
Sohail Khan picks up wickets, do you want a bowler to run in bowl fast, have near edge misses then go for plenty or have a bowler that picks up wickets at crucial moments?

Wickets win you matches not economical spells allround
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Sohail Khan has a test career bowling average of 42. Don't know which wickets he has been picking up. Even in the last 2 years which has supposedly been his best and has had a consistent run in the side he averages 34, and a point to note is that in that same golden period he averages 106 in the third or fourth innings of the test matches. Some wicket taker eh?

He has a career average of 32 in ODIs with the last 2 years having an average of 34.


What a master blaster.


#Malcom2.0
#numbersdon'tlie
 
ask_analyse_act said:
yes on-field energy is a concern but if he is taking wickets with the 15 overs old ball in ODI cricket ... he has pace, swing and bounce and will definitely disrupt the flow of runs with fields spread out in between 15-39 overs if used aggressively and wisely in conditions outside Asia..
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On field energy is not THE concern. It has come to symbolize his general insipidness as a bowler. His failure to bowl well enough consistently enough is THE prpblem. Probably the last bowler in the world to "disrupt the flow of runs." Look at his record for chrissakes. And let's hear no more about how he is able to swing and bowl fast. If he can't take wickets he can't take wickets and god knows he's had a chance to prove himself.
 
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Wahab is a champion bowler he is my favorite along with amir wahab blows hot and cold but he is still good! amir will start performing he will be pick of the bowlers in champions trophy!
 
Chief Destroyer said:
What? Amir's been playing non-stop.
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Here are 3 instances in the last 1.5 years.

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/moha...kistan-day-four-scg-test-australia/2017-01-06

http://www.hindustantimes.com/crick...n-australia/story-fjFqw6bBDic37IwJUUxCbN.html

http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-new...ohammad-amir-suffers-injury-on-comeback-trail

In comparison, the last injury for Umesh Yadav a quick Google search reveals (keywords Umesh Yadav injured) goes all the way back to Dec 2012.
[MENTION=139754]New Yorker[/MENTION]
 
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Napa said:
Here are 3 instances in the last 1.5 years.

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/moha...kistan-day-four-scg-test-australia/2017-01-06

http://www.hindustantimes.com/crick...n-australia/story-fjFqw6bBDic37IwJUUxCbN.html

http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-new...ohammad-amir-suffers-injury-on-comeback-trail

In comparison, the last injury for Umesh Yadav a quick Google search reveals (keywords Umesh Yadav injured) goes all the way back to Dec 2012.

[MENTION=139754]New Yorker[/MENTION]
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The knee getting jammed was a freak injury which he recovered from immediately. The other two are small niggles which every fast bowler goes through. So that's all you can find in all this time. Amir's been as durable as anyone.
 
Napa said:
Basic problem with Amir (like Mistafizz) is that physically he is not well built enough to bowl pace for long without getting injured.
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WTH?

He has played all 4 tests in England, 3 in the UAE, 2 in NZ, and 3 in Australia. That is 12 tests no-stop in the last 12 months. Has not missed an ODI or T20 series since his return. Played entire PSL. And you think he can't bowl enough without getting injured? He has actually bowled more overs per tests than any other fast bowler in tests in the last 12 months.
 
Aamir has to repay the faith this year. has been ok, considering the five year gap.
West Indies is a good team to improve your figures against.
 
If you forget that we were 30 runs short. These guys had about a 100 runs to defend in the last 10 overs. They failed.
 
Wahab has been leaking runs for so long. What does he have in his arsenal that makes him versatile? All he does is throw the ball down at a fast pace. He's got no swing, seam, cutters or anything. Shortened run up fixed his no-ball problem but he's still leaking runs like no tomorrow. Should focus on learning how to take wickets and make the batsman look clueless, he's too predictable.
 
Clueless bowling from our so-called senior bowlers.

If a bowler does not know how to bowl to his field, then what on earth is going on.

Captain gives you an off-side field, the bowler bowls a half volley on leg stump.

When will these guys learn.
 
Both need to be dropped. Give somebody more deserving a chance.
 
Wahab long past shelf-life and the truth about Amir is unravelling with each game. No guile or craft, no wicket-taking threat and hardly economical.

Seemingly the best we have (although that's not hard) and he' not actually that good.

The vaunted Pakistan pace attack is thst of the 90s - not these pretenders.
 
Napa said:
Basic problem with Amir (like Mistafizz) is that physically he is not well built enough to bowl pace for long without getting injured.
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New Yorker said:
I don't think he's been particularly injury prone.
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Chief Destroyer said:
What? Amir's been playing non-stop.
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Napa said:
Here are 3 instances in the last 1.5 years.

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/moha...kistan-day-four-scg-test-australia/2017-01-06

http://www.hindustantimes.com/crick...n-australia/story-fjFqw6bBDic37IwJUUxCbN.html

http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-new...ohammad-amir-suffers-injury-on-comeback-trail

In comparison, the last injury for Umesh Yadav a quick Google search reveals (keywords Umesh Yadav injured) goes all the way back to Dec 2012.

[MENTION=139754]New Yorker[/MENTION]
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Chief Destroyer said:
The knee getting jammed was a freak injury which he recovered from immediately. The other two are small niggles which every fast bowler goes through. So that's all you can find in all this time. Amir's been as durable as anyone.
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As I was saying, Amir is the sort of bowler who bowls faster than his body can handle, resulting in frequent breakdowns.
 
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