Pakistan finalize their 15-member squad for the ICC T20 World Cup 2024

[mominsaigol]

Your point about saud is valid and fair and to answer your question I do not know.

But how does any of this invalidate what I said? Infact I'm not the one even claiming this, it's hafeez.

This corporation representatives have a huge huge advantage + Saud is mainstay in test and odi? So it's not like he's not getting represented at all?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Your point about saud is valid and fair and to answer your question I do not know.

But how does any of this invalidate what I said? Infact I'm not the one even claiming this, it's hafeez.

This corporation representatives have a huge huge advantage + Saud is mainstay in test and odi? So it's not like he's not getting represented at all?

This is the best squad Pakistan could have put together.

We can maybe argue some small tweaks here and there but this is it.

This corporation manages the top players in Pakistan. There isn't a conspiracy that those top players then get selected.

Please also show where hafeez mentioned Saya.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Inzimam situation was a bit shady but I think you have painted them as too much of a bogeyman.

Agencies will always lobby for their players. That's their job and how they make money.

 

[mominsaigol]

This is the best squad Pakistan could have put together.

We can maybe argue some small tweaks here and there but this is it.

This corporation manages the top players in Pakistan. There isn't a conspiracy that those top players then get selected.

Please also show where hafeez mentioned Saya.

He said RIP domestic cricket and insinuated this corporation. It's easy to read between the lines but no I can't show you a direct quote if that's what your asking.

Also No, I just proposed a squad that's 100× Superior. Then this clown squad. Check my > Post.

 

[Rana]

Inzimam situation was a bit shady but I think you have painted them as too much of a bogeyman.

Agencies will always lobby for their players. That's their job and how they make money.

Yeah they don’t make it as blatantly obvious as this corporation who need to make instagram posts for every milestone by Babar and Rizwan…milestones that have DESTROYED Pakistan cricket

 

[lucky_fish]

I was secretly hoping our selection committee were going to pull something out of leftfield and bring in Mo Harris.

Full disclosure - I don't watch much PSL and have only seen Azam when he had played for Pakistan. Nothing against him but when you look at it on paper the facts speak for themselves:

Azam Khan - can't be used in the outfield, medicore keeper but YES he hits a long ball every now and then.

Mo Harris - decent keeper and fielder, impressive striker. Should have been backed in the same way they've backed Saim.

Irfan very unlucky but I'm not sure where you would fit him in. Chacha would have been the obvious swap but realistically our management would never drop him.

It is what it is.

That's the squad we will be backing!

Let's get through the England games first....!

 

[mominsaigol]

My squad that I would have selected if I was selector which honestly at this point I'd do it for free as long as I get 100% control.

Openers and No 3 (Pack it with 6 options)

1) Fakhar Zaman
2) Saud shakeel
3) Usman Khan
4) Saim Ayub
5) Abdullah Shafiq
6) Babar Azam

Saud shakeel added if Usman fails + Saud is free flow, plays at a faster rate then rizzu and just more compact and a good six hitter.

Top/ Middle/ Low

7) Tayyab Tahir
8) Haris (Makeshift can be shuffled anywhere from 1 to 7)
9) Salman Ali Agha (Should be the allrpunder over sheddy)
10) Azam Khan( Liability as a keeper but we need that hitting against USA, Canada and Ireland)
11) Imad Wasim

Bowlers

12) Abrar
13) Shaheen
14) Ali
15) Abaas Afridi (Must be used as overs 7-15 bowler only)

Reserves

16) Zafar Gohar (Replacement for Abrar)
17) Amir (Your extra pacer, His form atm should put him here, Shaheen and alinwould be better new ball bowler choices)
18) Aamer Jamal (Get that allround power)

@DeadlyVenom

My squad.

Salman is 100x superior to shadab especially considering Pakistan makes sheddy bat at no 5 now > Chavha and azam.

The 6 top 0rder options I've provided are plenty good.

Theirs also no jeed for 4 pacers in the squad when we're playing in spin conditons, and it's better to just take a pace reserve.

The middle order is also Makeshift and solid and they all can hit.

Azam is a liability but he's only needed for minnow bashing and can be discarded later for Haris and usman?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Guys lets debate anything about squad beside saya group stuff

 

[Ahmed216]

No.

Harris should have been in for Rizwan.

This desire will never be fulfilled

 

[Rana]

This desire will never be fulfilled

Nor will Pakistan’s desire to win a World Cup as long as you are doing the wrong thing.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Yeah they don’t make it as blatantly obvious as this corporation who need to make instagram posts for every milestone by Babar and Rizwan…milestones that have DESTROYED Pakistan cricket

Agency doing work to Garner publicity for their players.

What a shock!

Do you believe Gary Kirsten and Co were influenced by these posts?

I think placing the blame at this corporation let's the real culprits off the hook.

 

[mominsaigol]

Agency doing work to Garner publicity for their players.

What a shock!

Do you believe Gary Kirsten and Co were influenced by these posts?

I think placing the blame at this corporation let's the real culprits off the hook.

You didn't reply? Does that mean you agree with my squad selection?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

He said RIP domestic cricket and insinuated this corporation. It's easy tobread between the lines but no I can't show you a direct quote if that's what your asking.

Also No, I just proposed a squad that's 100× Superior. Then this clown squad. Check my > Post.

You should be clearer that it's your interpretation because most people won't have came to the same conclusion as you after hearing what Hafeez said.

 

[mominsaigol]

You should be clearer that it's your interpretation because most people won't have came to the same conclusion as you after hearing what Hafeez said.

99% of twitter did. So idk where you're getting off on that. This whole drama came from twitter

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Why is Fakhar there if a Bad PSL rules out Harris?

You pick your players for what they can do on their best day.

Harris missed out because of Rizwan. No one else

Because Fakhar is an established player and the rules are different for established players whether you like it or not.

if you think that Rizwan's place was ever in question. Haris missed out because of Azam Khan.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

@DeadlyVenom

My squad.

Salman is 100x superior to shadab especially considering Pakistan makes sheddy bat at no 5 now > Chavha and azam.

The 6 top 0rder options I've provided are plenty good.

Theirs also no jeed for 4 pacers in the squad when we're playing in spin conditons, and it's better to just take a pace reserve.

The middle order is also Makeshift and solid and they all can hit.

Azam is a liability but he's only needed for minnow bashing and can be discarded later for Haris and usman?

It's very difficult to pick a squad because of Pakistans lack of rotation.

I don't think Rizwan should be dropped. I also actually rate Shadab...I just hope something can click and his career gets back into gear. I'd have in the squad for the world cup for sure. Chacha can be a real trump card too.

As for the rest of your team yeah most of these players should have got more caps and a chance to make a name for themselves over the past few years for sure.

This squad that Pakistan picked has 15 off the best 20 or so players in Pakistan. It's genuinely not as bad as being made out.

 

[mominsaigol]

It's very difficult to pick a squad because of Pakistans lack of rotation.

I don't think Rizwan should be dropped. I also actually rate Shadab...I just hope something can click and his career gets back into gear. I'd have in the squad for the world cup for sure. Chacha can be a real trump card too.

As for the rest of your team yeah most of these players should have got more caps and a chance to make a name for themselves over the past few years for sure.

Well I go with the Australian thinking on shuffling, which is an alien concept to babar sadly.

The idea of shuffling your order with salman, Tayyab, Haris, Azam etc etc depending on situations and the ideally of shuffling openers as well is what can turn this medicore side into a competent one.

As for shadab and chacha I completly disagree and I really do not understand your perspective, some other posters have the same perspective and when I ask them they never answer. They just say the words

I think shadab and chacha will come good, hopefully the pitch isn't slow? Like what does that even mean? They fail on pindi pitches as well unless it's minnows?

 

[Rana]

Because Fakhar is an established player and the rules are different for established players whether you like it or not.

You're out of touch with reality if you think that Rizwan's place was ever in question. Haris missed out because of Azam Khan.

if you think Harris’s place was taken by Azam Khan.

I remember you arguing about how the top teams of the world have anchors in their top order

Muhammad Harris is the upgrade to Rizwan at the top of the order. He is no upgrade to Azam for the role Azam is needed in.

 

[AAli98]

How this is a minnow and how you can say pak can't win world Cup so surely?

Iftekhar Ahmed is in the squad that’s enough reason to be confident.

Also a wicket keeper who cannot move a couple of inches to the leg side to take a basic take.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

if you think Harris’s place was taken by Azam Khan.

I remember you arguing about how the top teams of the world have anchors in their top order

Muhammad Harris is the upgrade to Rizwan at the top of the order. He is no upgrade to Azam for the role Azam is needed in.

Azam Khan, Usman Khan and Mohammad Haris were all fighting for the same two spots: which was that of a middle-order bat/back-up wicketkeeper who can score runs quickly. Azam and Usman got in over Haris because they had better PSL seasons. Eventhough Haris is a significantly better player than both of them.

Listen, I really don't care about how much you dislike Rizwan. And I don't care if you're incensed that he got selected either. I'm just stating a simple fact. Rizwan was never going to be dropped. For better or worse, he has been a major part of Pakistan's T20 batting for the last few years. His place was never even in question.

 

[shariqnoor]

The support staff is crazy. In cricket there is only need for 3 people to go on tours as support staff

Head coach,
Physiotherapist
Data Analyst

Everything else is just a paid vacation. You have a Team Manager and then you have a Senior Team Manager. It's ridiculous how much money Pakistan spends unnecessarily and then goes to IMF with a begging bowl. Shameful.

 

[Savak]

Lack of proper match winning spinners in our setup is alarming.

 

[topspin]

The support staff is crazy. In cricket there is only need for 3 people to go on tours as support staff

Head coach,
Physiotherapist
Data Analyst

Everything else is just a paid vacation. You have a Team Manager and then you have a Senior Team Manager. It's ridiculous how much money Pakistan spends unnecessarily and then goes to IMF with a begging bowl. Shameful.

Why stop there? Why not just field 3 players in the team. One batsman, one bowler and one wicket-keeper.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The support staff is crazy. In cricket there is only need for 3 people to go on tours as support staff

Head coach,
Physiotherapist
Data Analyst

Everything else is just a paid vacation. You have a Team Manager and then you have a Senior Team Manager. It's ridiculous how much money Pakistan spends unnecessarily and then goes to IMF with a begging bowl. Shameful.

You still need individual coaches for batting/fielding/bowling. There's no need for 2 Team managers maybe

 

[shariqnoor]

Why stop there? Why not just field 3 players in the team. One batsman, one bowler and one wicket-keeper.

What would be brilliant is not even sending a team.

 

[Rana]

What would be brilliant is not even sending a team.

What would be great is if our sponsor was Coke Zero

 

[mominsaigol]

What would be great is if our sponsor was Coke Zero

No bro ashes, with each player having their custom discount code for psn

 

[topspin]

What would be brilliant is not even sending a team. Would save a lot of irrelevant posts from you on this forum!!

First you called for a Pakistani Head Coach even though they don't have a scooby doo about cricket. Now you want just 3 members of the support staff to accompany the team. Great logic

I'm merely highlighting your trend of nonsense on here.

 

[TeymurBlake]

For me the squad isn't bad, however it's not good either. It's very mid.

 

[shariqnoor]

You still need individual coaches for batting/fielding/bowling. There's no need for 2 Team managers maybe

What difference would a fielding coach make during a 2-3 week tournament? Fielding is a skill developed over years. Those fielding drills during a tournament will not instantly make you better in the field. It just doesn't happen. Fielding coaches are necessary at the academy level and national training camps.

Cricket just likes to overcomplicate simple things. I don't seem to remember Ambrose requiring a bowling coach during a series to tell him how to bowl or to make him better.

Gary Kirsten is a batter himself. Why do we need a batting coach? Is Gary Kirsten only there to be a glorified cheerleader and sit at the table during team meetings telling them you need to be aggressive?

 

[mominsaigol]

First you called for a Pakistani Head Coach even though they don't have a scooby doo about cricket. Now you want just 3 members of the support staff to accompany the team. Great logic

I'm merely highlighting your trend of nonsense on here.

I called it from the start, Kirsten will just be a mickey Arthur(2nd stint), Infact I predicted this squad with 100% accuracy 3 hours before it was announced.

I was wrong about the reserves though, I listed 3 reserves and apparently Pakistan hasn't named a reserve.

Regardless, No coach, Not even reviving Don Bradman from the dead is saving this setup as long as Wahab, Babar, Rizwan, Shadab, Chacha(Misbah influence) and Saya is at the helm of things.

A Pakistani head coach will be hilarious since now you'll have a coach who'll basically be a chamcha and will let Bobby do whatever including bringing back nawaz and dosti yaari culture.

Atleast with kristen you can expect some drama and him resigning with a fat paycheck and giving the middle finger to the PCB and Bobby, kinda like mickey

 

[topspin]

I called it from the start, Kirsten will just be a mickey Arthur(2nd stint), Infact I predicted this squad with 100% accuracy 3 hours before it was announced.

I was wrong about the reserves though, I listed 3 reserves and apparently Pakistan hasn't named a reserve.

Regardless, No coach, Not even reviving Don Bradman from the dead is saving this setup as long as Wahab, Babar, Rizwan, Shadab, Chacha(Misbah influence) and Saya is at the helm of things.

A Pakistani head coach will be hilarious since now you'll have a coach who'll basically be a chamcha and will let Bobby do whatever including bringing back nawaz and dosti yaari culture.

Atleast with kristen you can expect some drama and him resigning with a fat paycheck and giving the middle finger to the PCB and Bobby, kinda like mickey

Asking for a Pakistani Head Coach is code for "bring back Misbah" by Misbah's loyalists.

 

[mominsaigol]

Asking for a Pakistani Head Coach is code for "bring back Misbah" by Misbah's loyalists.

If misbah comes back then this is our t20 team

1) Babar
2) Rizwan
3) Shan
4) Fakhar( Will soon be dropped under Misbah to accommodate Ahmed Shehzad)
5) Shadab
6) Khusdil
7) Chacha
8) Nawaz
9) Muhammad Husnain
10) Rauf
11) hasan Ali.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

What difference would a fielding coach make during a 2-3 week tournament? Fielding is a skill developed over years. Those fielding drills during a tournament will not instantly make you better in the field. It just doesn't happen. Fielding coaches are necessary at the academy level and national training camps.

Cricket just likes to overcomplicate simple things. I don't seem to remember Ambrose requiring a bowling coach during a series to tell him how to bowl or to make him better.

Gary Kirsten is a batter himself. Why do we need a batting coach? Is Gary Kirsten only there to be a glorified cheerleader and sit at the table during team meetings telling them you need to be aggressive?

All teams have these now. Ambrose played in a very different era where there wasn't this level of planning and execution in white ball cricket.

I'm not saying they should carry these only for the tournament

 

[shariqnoor]

First you called for a Pakistani Head Coach even though they don't have a scooby doo about cricket. Now you want just 3 members of the support staff to accompany the team. Great logic

I'm merely highlighting your trend of nonsense on here.

I ask for a Pakistani Head Coach because Pakistan cricket team's performances will not get better just because there is a foreigner at the helm. Abdur Rehman deserves to become Pakistan's head coach because of his effort as a coach in the domestic. No other Pakistani deserves it more than him. Foreigners just come to Pakistan to collect a million dollars and go back home. It's called "choona lagana" in Urdu.

And how does asking for a Pakistani head coach and for only 3 support members conflict with each other? The level of comprehension on this forum is truly appalling.

 

[Rana]

Abdur Rehman deserves to become Pakistan's head coach because of his effort as a coach in the domestic

Yeah keep that suggestion to yourself.

Don’t try to act as if we don’t know he is also from the Misbah clique

 

[mominsaigol]

I ask for a Pakistani Head Coach because Pakistan cricket team's performances will not get better just because there is a foreigner at the helm. Abdur Rehman deserves to become Pakistan's head coach because of his effort as a coach in the domestic. No other Pakistani deserves it more than him. Foreigners just come to Pakistan to collect a million dollars and go back home. It's called "choona lagana" in Urdu.

And how does asking for a Pakistani head coach and for only 3 support members conflict with each other? The level of comprehension on this forum is truly appalling.

No coach will do anything as long as babar at the helm.

You could revive Don Bradman from the dead and have him become a devoted Muslim and give him a permanent pakiatani passport.

Heck you could revive Jesus amd have him perform miracles and it wouldn't do a damn thing.

The difference between Eoin Morgan getting coached and Babar getting coached is that Morgan genuinely felt the England team sucked and had become Misbah ul England in odi and t20, He wanted to change and make England the most aggressive team capable of winning a cup which it never had.

It was easy for coaches to work with him. Babar has had a million coaches including a Pakistani coach in Misbah and it hasn't done a damn thing.

 

[Markhor]

Pakistan fans can waste as much time, sweat and tears as they want ripping the squad apart but let's be real.

- We have an alarming lack of 140+ SR batsmen with the great new hope Saim Ayub struggling so far in his international career.
- Constant questions over Babar and Rizwan's batting positions.
- One of our premier pacers in Naseem far off his pre-injury form. Rauf is undercooked. Amir returning after a long absence.
- A fielding unit that goes to pieces under pressure.
- Babar's captaincy track record inspires zero confidence. It would crash the server if we listed his tactical misjudgements between 2019-24.

The only thing we've going for us is that the conditions in the WI/USA, bar a couple of venues, may be low and slow so the par scores may be around 170-180 as opposed to the 200+ batfests we've seen in the IPL displaying a level of powerhitting we cannot compete with.

 

[Forum363]

Shadab is a better number 5 batsman than anyone else in the squad. He should play as middle order hitter who can chip in with a couple of overs.

6/7/8 are very weak though.

Saim
Rizwan
Babar
Fakhar
Shadab
Azam / Iftikhar
Imad
Shaheen
Abrar
Amir
Naseem

 

[Rana]

No coach will do anything as long as babar and saya are at the helm.

You could revive Don Bradman from the dead and have him become a devoted Muslim and give him a permanent pakiatani passport.

Heck you could revive Jesus amd have him perform miracles and it wouldn't do a damn thing.

The difference between Eoin Morgan getting coached and Babar getting coached is that Morgan genuinely felt the England team sucked and had become Misbah ul England in odi and t20, He wanted to change and make England the most aggressive team capable of winning a cup which it never had.

It was easy for coaches to work with him. Babar has had a million coaches including a Pakistani coach in Misbah and it hasn't done a damn thing.

Ask him what his opinion is if we make Aqib Javed head coach of Pakistan and watch him spew his venom

 

[mominsaigol]

Ask him what his opinion is if we make Aqib Javed head coach of Pakistan and watch him spew his venom

I haven't interacted with him before, so idk if he's a misbah clique or if he's genuinely curious on Pakistani Head coaches.

I'm just telling him it's a horrible idea, It'll give babar complete control like he had In 2023 which resulted in a horror show.

It's good media caused him to stiffen a bit with him batting at no 3 and you can tell imad wasim , Abrar, Amir, Usman Khan are inclusions Bobby is not happy with but media has kept him at bay cause the false delusion of Bobby is our king is fading away and dwindling at a rapid rate.

 

[mominsaigol]

Shadab is a better number 5 batsman than anyone else in the squad. He should play as middle order hitter who can chip in with a couple of overs.

6/7/8 are very weak though.

Saim
Rizwan
Babar
Fakhar
Shadab
Azam / Iftikhar
Imad
Shaheen
Abrar
Amir
Naseem

Shadab is a better no 5 batsmen then anyone in the squad? Since when?

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Shadab is a better number 5 batsman than anyone else in the squad. He should play as middle order hitter who can chip in with a couple of overs.

6/7/8 are very weak though.

Saim
Rizwan
Babar
Fakhar
Shadab
Azam / Iftikhar
Imad
Shaheen
Abrar
Amir
Naseem

Shadab is a tail ender who can barely bat or bowl.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Shadab is a tail ender who can barely bat or bowl.

a proper fluke player

 

[Forum363]

Shadab is a better no 5 batsmen then anyone in the squad? Since when?

Who’s better than him? Azam khan who hasn’t proved anything in international cricket? Iftikhar…?

Shadab has proven he can hit spinners and pace equally well. He plays dynamically all around the ground. He’s got a better all round game to play at a higher strike rate from the beginning, than his competition.

 

[Rana]

Shadab is a better number 5 batsman than anyone else in the squad.

Yes Shadab is the Heinrich Klaasen of this squad

And Rizwan is our Don Bradman

 

[The Bald Eagle]

a proper fluke player

He is just like a degraded version of Shahid Afridi of modern era.

 

[mominsaigol]

Who’s better than him? Azam khan who hasn’t proved anything in international cricket? Iftikhar…?

Shadab has proven he can hit spinners and pace equally well. He plays dynamically all around the ground. He’s got a better all round game to play at a higher strike rate from the beginning, than his competition.

His avg and sr equates to 19 of 13? What are you on about?

Any batter would be better in that position then him. As for spinners and pacer hitting and his playing dynamically all around the ground, Bro he isn't maxwell. You're describing the wrong player.

 

[Forum363]

Yes Shadab is the Heinrich Klaasen of this squad

And Rizwan is our Don Bradman

Rather than comparing them in a hyperbolic way why don’t you answer who’s a better middle order player than him?

 

[Rana]

Rather than comparing them in a hyperbolic way why don’t you answer who’s a better middle order player than him?

I think Usman, Fakhar, Iftikhar, Azam and Imad is a decent line up after Babar

Shadab is good for number 8/9

When you say number 5, you need to see the number 5s across the world

 

[Forum363]

His avg and sr equates to 19 of 13? What are you on about?

Any batter would be better in that position then him. As for spinners and pacer hitting and his playing dynamically all around the ground, Bro he isn't maxwell. You're describing the wrong player.

But he’s not competing against maxwell so that’s irrelevant. He’s competing against Azam and Iftikhar.

In t20is he’s usually batted in the lower order and I don’t believe he’s been given many chances at 5/6.

But if youve watched him bat it’s clear he’s ahead of his competition.

It goes without saying he wouldn’t make any other team in the world as a middle order batsman.

 

[Forum363]

I think Usman, Fakhar, Iftikhar, Azam and Imad is a decent line up after Babar

Shadab is good for number 8/9

When you say number 5, you need to see the number 5s across the world

You’re talking about number 5s across the world and then putting Azam as your number 5?

You think he would even get a look in as their water boy in any other team?

 

[Rana]

But he’s not competing against maxwell so that’s irrelevan

Mate he literally is competing against Maxwell, Livingstone, Pant, Klaasen for the World up trophy

Look at the level of those players batting at 5 and look at who you are suggesting.

 

[Forum363]

You’re talking about number 5s across the world and then putting Azam as your number 5?

You think he would even get a look in as their water boy in any other team?

I think Usman, Fakhar, Iftikhar, Azam and Imad is a decent line up after Babar

Shadab is good for number 8/9

When you say number 5, you need to see the number 5s across the world

So it’s been Azam Khan who is a below average keeper, can’t be hidden in the field, can’t run fast between the wickets and has not done anything in international cricket.

Vs Shadab who’s proven he can play at a high strike rate against spin and pace, is the best fielder in our history (regularly affecting games with his runouts / catches fielding) and provides the chance for the odd good over (he bowled brilliantly against Australia in the two World Cup when Shaheen bottled it).

Every team in the world would pick shadab.

 

[Forum363]

Mate he literally is competing against Maxwell, Livingstone, Pant, Klaasen for the World up trophy

Look at the level of those players batting at 5 and look at who you are suggesting.

It’s like you’re deliberately obtuse.

Shadab doesn’t compare to Livingston … so Pakistan should play Azam Khan. Amazing logic.

 

[Rana]

You’re talking about number 5s across the world and then putting Azam as your number 5?

You think he would even get a look in as their water boy in any other team?

You know what, I actually think he would. He’s the only big hitter you have that can go from ball 1, and keeps going. He has an 18 ball 50 in ILT20, and he gets hired every year in CPL.

You might not agree but I also think your view of Shadab being the best number 5 in this squad is hilarious

 

[mominsaigol]

But he’s not competing against maxwell so that’s irrelevant. He’s competing against Azam and Iftikhar.

In t20is he’s usually batted in the lower order and I don’t believe he’s been given many chances at 5/6.

But if youve watched him bat it’s clear he’s ahead of his competition.

It goes without saying he wouldn’t make any other team in the world as a middle order batsman.

The maxwell analogy I made is because you called shadab a dynamic batter who plays all across the ground, like when has he ever done that? He holds the bat in a bottom hand position and tries to bottom hand slice or loft? On what basis did you claim he's dynamic?

As for azam and chacha, Them being competiton just shows how awful PCB is as a selection unit.

Imad proved he's a superior batter in odi, he just bats too low on t20 to make an impact but in psl at no 5 he was miles ahead of shadab who's lack of top hand means orthodox strokes like straight drive or grounded strokes are out of the question.

Tayyab tahir at no 5 would be better if he was in the squad. Also I don't like chacha but he averages 25 of 19 which although extremely poor is better suited at no 5, 19 of 13 is better suited at the death at no 7 and no 8.

As for azam, too small of a sample pool to judge. Against Ireland his sr was at 300 which no other batter achieved, not even Bobby and rizzu. But the real test will be against quality teams which he has nothing to show for.

 

[Forum363]

His avg and sr equates to 19 of 13? What are you on about?

Any batter would be better in that position than him. As for spinners and pacer hitting and his playing dynamically all around the ground, Bro he isn't maxwell. You're describing the wrong player.

So you’d rather have Iftikhar and Azam khan instead of him?

 

[Rana]

It’s like you’re deliberately obtuse.

Shadab doesn’t compare to Livingston … so Pakistan should play Azam Khan. Amazing logic.

Yes you are the people who have always said Babar and Rizwan should open for Pakistan because we can’t select Warner and DeQock.

I know your type

 

[mominsaigol]

The maxwell analogy I made is because you called shadab a dynamic batter who plays all across the ground, like when has he ever done that? He holds the bat in a bottom hand position and tries to bottom hand slice or loft? On what basis did you claim he's dynamic?

As for azam and chacha, Them being competiton just shows how awful PCB is as a selection unit.

Imad proved he's a superior batter in odi, he just bats too low on t20 to make an impact but in psl at no 5 he was miles ahead of shadab who's lack of top hand means orthodox strokes like straight drive or grounded strokes are out of the question.

Tayyab tahir at no 5 would be better if he was in the squad. Also I don't like chacha but he averages 25 of 19 which although extremely poor is better suited at no 5, 19 of 13 is better suited at the death at no 7 and no 8.

As for azam, too small of a sample pool to judge. Against Ireland his sr was at 300 which no other batter achieved, not even Bobby and rizzu. But the real test will be against quality teams which he has nothing to show for.

So you’d rather have Iftikhar and Azam khan instead of him?

^^ Already responded, Read the above

 

[mominsaigol]

So it’s been Azam Khan who is a below average keeper, can’t be hidden in the field, can’t run fast between the wickets and has not done anything in international cricket.

Vs Shadab who’s proven he can play at a high strike rate against spin and pace, is the best fielder in our history (regularly affecting games with his runouts / catches fielding) and provides the chance for the odd good over (he bowled brilliantly against Australia in the two World Cup when Shaheen bottled it).

Every team in the world would pick shadab.

Shadab high sr is useless if the avg is way too low. Both these things interlink.

A sr of 146 and an avg of 19 in t20 equates to 19 of 13 which is horrible for a no 5 in t20.

 

[mominsaigol]

You know what, I actually think he would. He’s the only big hitter you have that can go from ball 1, and keeps going. He has an 18 ball 50 in ILT20, and he gets hired every year in CPL.

You might not agree but I also think your view of Shadab being the best number 5 in this squad is hilarious

I'm not a fan of azam but picking shadab over anyone is hilarious. Wc 2023 should have been a wakeup call, his batting is that of a tail ender and his bowling is on par with Joe root, David Warner etc

 

[Forum363]

The maxwell analogy I made is because you called shadab a dynamic batter who plays all across the ground, like when has he ever done that? He holds the bat in a bottom hand position and tries to bottom hand slice or loft? On what basis did you claim he's dynamic?

As for azam and chacha, Them being competiton just shows how awful PCB is as a selection unit.

Imad proved he's a superior batter in odi, he just bats too low on t20 to make an impact but in psl at no 5 he was miles ahead of shadab who's lack of top hand means orthodox strokes like straight drive or grounded strokes are out of the question.

Tayyab tahir at no 5 would be better if he was in the squad. Also I don't like chacha but he averages 25 of 19 which although extremely poor is better suited at no 5, 19 of 13 is better suited at the death at no 7 and no 8.

As for azam, too small of a sample pool to judge. Against Ireland his sr was at 300 which no other batter achieved, not even Bobby and rizzu. But the real test will be against quality teams which he has nothing to show for.

Shadab literally played a 40 off 20 type innings against NZ last month.

Imad played a couple of clutch innings but he’s not a better hitter than shadab, even you know that. He has very limited shot range.

I’m not arguing PCB isn’t incompetent nor that shadab compares to the other middle order batters, so why does this point keep getting bought up. Just that he’s better than the other players in the squad.

Chacha has had far more chances batting higher in international cricket than Shadab. In PSL you could argue it was the other way around where Shadab made 50s and Iftikhar played cameos.

Azam is an unknown. His fitness and overall lack of batting acumen (apart from hitting huge sixes) isn’t a reliable base.

 

[heddie19]

Good squad.

Its better than what they announced for the world cup 2023.

Only issue is Amir cause he is a terrible bowler. But apart from from Amir, rest is a good selection.

Azam Khan?

 

[Forum363]

Shadab high sr is useless if the avg is way too low. Both these things interlink.

A sr of 146 and an avg of 19 in t20 equates to 19 of 13 which is horrible for a no 5 in t20.

But he hasn’t batted in the middle order so that average is not reflective.

He did in the PSL and averaged 30. Which is very good for our standard.

 

[Rana]

Azam Khan?

He is a better T20 batsman than Babar Azam tbh

 

[Suleiman]

This is the “just have fun, enjoy sightseeing in amreeka, don’t read too much into results” squad.

 

[mominsaigol]

Shadab literally played a 40 of 20 type innings against NZ last month.

Imad played a couple of clutch innings but he’s not a better hitter than shadab, even you know that. He has very limited shot range.

I’m not arguing PCB isn’t incompetent nor that shadab compares to the other middle order batters, so why does this point keep getting bought up. Just that he’s better than the other players in the squad.

Chacha has had far more chances batting higher in international cricket than Shadab. In PSL you could argue it was the other way around where Shadab made 50s and Iftikhar played cameos.

Azam is an unknown. His fitness and overall lack of batting acumen (apart from hitting huge sixes) isn’t a reliable base.

Shadab literally played a 40 of 20 type innings against NZ last month.

Yeah against a c side NZ which brought his avg up from 17 to 19. These innings are outliers, give a trash player enough games and theyll perform once or twice in their career. Asif ali has 2 key victories for Pakistan that too in a world cup in 2021 where both games were lost, especially the Afghanistan game.

Those 2 key Wc performances got Pakistan in the Semi's, and are greater then shadab's entite career. Does that mean we should bring asif Ali back and ignore all the times he's failed and just been terrible? And keep riding the oh but he won 2 vital games for the rest of pur lives?

Imad played a couple of clutch innings but he’s not a better hitter than shadab, even you know that. He has very limited shot range.

Shadab has zero shot range, hes a bottom handed hack with barely any footwork, Imad has an avg of 42 ans sr of 110, and recently in the NZ series he struck at 210 sr which is > Shadab's 200 SR. Secondly we are talking about no 5 position which requires a good innings and longer stays at the crease. Someone who will get 40 of 20 once every 2-3 years and will usually get put at 10 to 20 in that position when theirs still a good 5-9 overs left won't cut it.

I’m not arguing PCB isn’t incompetent nor that shadab compares to the other middle order batters, so why does this point keep getting bought up. Just that he’s better than the other players in the squad.

You called him a dyanmic batter who plays all around, thats why i brought maxwell up, Shadab is more limited then rizwan whos purely leg side.

Chacha has had far more chances batting higher in international cricket than Shadab. In PSL you could argue it was the other way around where Shadab made 50s and Iftikhar played cameos.

Azam is an unknown. His fitness and overall lack of batting acumen (apart from hitting huge sixes) isn’t a reliable base.

Im not a fan of either which is why i suggested salman or tayyab tahir, but i presented solid evidence as to why chacha is a better option even though I hate chacha. Same qith azam. The sample size Is too small but records show when he performs like he did in Ireland KEY WORD PERFORM, no one in the dugout matches his sr.

These are facts. You can argue with emotion as much as you wish, won't change anything.

 

[Forum363]

Yes you are the people who have always said Babar and Rizwan should open for Pakistan because we can’t select Warner and DeQock.

I know your type

But you’re still not explaining your point. Stop avoiding it.

Instead of assuming or guessing what I might believe about the top order why don’t you clarify the point that you’ve made: shadab doesn’t compare to Maxwell so Azam is better at number 5?

 

[mominsaigol]

But he hasn’t batted in the middle order so that average is not reflective.

He did in the PSL and averaged 30. Which is very good for our standard.

And usman khan averaged and had the highest sr? What's your point? Azam khan is a superstar in cpl and way better

 

[Forum363]

Shadab literally played a 40 of 20 type innings against NZ last month.

Yeah against a c side NZ which brought his avg up from 17 to 19. These innings are outliers, give a trash player enough games and theyll perform once or twice in their career. Asif ali has 2 key victories for Pakistan that too in a world cup in 2021 where both games were lost, especially the Afghanistan game.

Those 2 key Wc performances got Pakistan in the Semi's, and are greater then shadab's entite career. Does that mean we should bring asif Ali back and ignore all the times he's failed and just been terrible? And keep riding the oh but he won 2 vital games for the rest of pur lives?

Imad played a couple of clutch innings but he’s not a better hitter than shadab, even you know that. He has very limited shot range.

Shadab has zero shot range, hes a bottom handed hack with barely any footwork, Imad has an avg of 42 ans sr of 110, and recently in the NZ series he struck at 210 sr which is > Shadab's 200 SR. Secondly we are talking about no 5 position which requires a good innings and longer stays at the crease. Someone who will get 40 of 20 once every 2-3 years and will usually get put at 10 to 20 in that position when theirs still a good 5-9 overs left won't cut it.

I’m not arguing PCB isn’t incompetent nor that shadab compares to the other middle order batters, so why does this point keep getting bought up. Just that he’s better than the other players in the squad.

You called him a dyanmic batter who plays all around, thats why i brought maxwell up, Shadab is more limited then rizwan whos purely leg side.

Chacha has had far more chances batting higher in international cricket than Shadab. In PSL you could argue it was the other way around where Shadab made 50s and Iftikhar played cameos.

Azam is an unknown. His fitness and overall lack of batting acumen (apart from hitting huge sixes) isn’t a reliable base.

Im not a fan of either which is why i suggested salman or tayyab tahir, but i presented solid evidence as to why chacha is a better option even though I hate chacha. Same qith azam. The sample size Is too small but records show when he performs like he did in Ireland KEY WORD PERFORM, no one in the dugout matches his sr.

These are facts. You can argue with emotion as much as you wish, won't change anything.

You argue that New Zealand was a c team so ignore his performance but then bring up Azams performance against Ireland in those tiny grounds when the match was already over.

Anyone can quote stats but if you think Imad is a better batsman currently than Shadab, there’s nothing I can do to dissuade you.

Bringing up old stats or innings by Asif Ali is useless as well. I’m talking about shadabs recent performance.

And at number 5 for us, a 20 of 10 type innings would be very useful because it’s about impetus. I’d say that’s more useful from a number 5 than a 35 of 25 innings.

 

[Rana]

You don’t, that’s all I wanted to confirm. I thought maybe I misunderstood but clearly not.

I don’t get it. What’s wrong with Azam, or Iftikhar, or Imad at number 5? How is Shadab a better batsman than them?

 

[mominsaigol]

You argue that New Zealand was a c team so ignore his performance but then bring up Azams performance against Ireland in those tiny grounds when the match was already over.

Anyone can quote stats but if you think Imad is a better batsman currently than Shadab, there’s nothing I can do to dissuade you.

Bringing up old stats or innings by Asif Ali is useless as well. I’m talking about shadabs recent performance.

And at number 5 for us, a 20 of 10 type innings would be very useful because it’s about impetus. I’d say that’s more useful from a number 5 than a 35 of 25 innings.

You're arguing from pure emotion. The whole argument of

I want shadab to bat at no 5 therefore I think he should and you stating otherwise is meaningless isn't an argument.

But khair enjoy your shadab hype.

 

[emranabbas]

Who’s better than him? Azam khan who hasn’t proved anything in international cricket? Iftikhar…?

Shadab has proven he can hit spinners and pace equally well. He plays dynamically all around the ground. He’s got a better all round game to play at a higher strike rate from the beginning, than his competition.

I don't see the obsession with bits and pieces cricketers at number 5 you need a proper batsmen like usman Khan or irfan niazi

 

[BouncerGuy]

The whole team announced was pretty much on the cards. Not sure why PCB waited until the last minute to announce the squad but that is fine. The team is officially here now. I think Salman should have been there and Haris rauf's form is pretty important now considering he was not doing well before he got injured. If he is for 100%, he should play england series to have some game time. Overall, this is the best possible team we could have while we can debate on Mohammad Haris's selection.

 

[Forum363]

I don't see the obsession with bits and pieces cricketers at number 5 you need a proper batsmen like usman Khan or irfan niazi

Usman khan is clearly a top order batsman and irfan niazi isn’t in the squad…

 

[emranabbas]

Usman khan is clearly a top order batsman and irfan niazi isn’t in the squad…

And you think usman will play at the top in presence of rizwan and babar?

Better have a game than no game

 

[Forum363]

And you think usman will play at the top in presence of rizwan and babar?

Better have a game than no game

Ofcourse he won’t, but I’d rather he doesn’t play at all vs playing at number 5 where his game doesn’t suit coming in and taking risks straight away.

 

[emranabbas]

Ofcourse he won’t, but I’d rather he doesn’t play at all vs playing at number 5 where his game doesn’t suit coming in and taking risks straight away.

in pakistan cricket first 15 overs are booked for babar and rizwan to score their 50's remaining 5 overs are for coming in and going all out. if he cant come in and go all out he's in the wrong team. should have stayed with UAE

 

[Barragan]

Why Rauf?

Too many bowlers.

Needed an extra batsman.

Like I said, too many bowlers.

Although rauf isn't bad, but Abbas or Naseem should have made way for Salman Agha.