What's new

Hitler? Why did he hate the Jews? [merged]

zam said:
why did u please change the title?

I dont want PP showing up when the 2 keywords mentioned in the title are used.

We live in a strange world where a harmless or innocent remark on the Internet can get you into big trouble.
 
Why Did Hitler hated Jews so much?

Was it because they were more rich?Or was it because of their religion?
 
He tried tossing in a dime between two Jews but they did not fight

More seriously though , i do not know if he hated them but he did see the hatred against Jews as a uniting factor . Kind of like , how we Pakistanis fight among ourselves , always killing each other , but the Indian factor unites every Pakistani from Karachi to Khyber Pass
 
Does anyone know the great proponents of freedom and fairness, United States of America are hugely responsible for the murder of so many of these jews.

Like Hitler, the American govt at the time considered the Jews to be an inferior, mentally weaker people and felt that the immigration of these Jews to America would decrease the intelligence of their community and thus denied hundreds of thousands of them to seek refuge in USA.
 
i agree that the numbers have been vastly exaggerated - 6 million included any group of people Hitler despised, jews, gays etc

It was more like 13 million altogether - 6 million were Jewish.
 
Does anyone know the great proponents of freedom and fairness, United States of America are hugely responsible for the murder of so many of these jews.

Like Hitler, the American govt at the time considered the Jews to be an inferior, mentally weaker people and felt that the immigration of these Jews to America would decrease the intelligence of their community and thus denied hundreds of thousands of them to seek refuge in USA.

That is an interesting point to bring up. In a way, he seems like many governments actions are for them to cleanse their guilt. They essentially signed many of these peoples death warrants by denying them access to their land (ships were turned away). Unfortunately, many of these Western nations do not reciprocate the same to the natives of the land.
 
Because Hitler thought of them as a fifth column in Germany...

A similar case can be made of their presence in imperial Russia and present day US...
 
Adolf Hitler will be the name that goes down in history behind the persecution of Jews.

However,it was Heinrich Himmler,the head of the SS who was responsible for some of the most horrific acts.

He believed that his white,German Reich was a superior race.

He hated America,believing it was 'half black,half Jew' and that you cannot have a cohesive nation with such a hotchpotch of races.

He also committed terrible acts against Slavs,in Eastern Europe.Its countries like Poland and the Ukraine who I really feel sorry for,they suffered first under Stalin.And would you believe it,the Nazis were actually welcomed at first for driving the Communists out,but then they soon suffered dreadful persecution.

Hitler actually admired Islam. 'Islam would be a better religion for Europe,why does it have to be Christianity with all its meekness and flabbiness'.
 
Last edited:
it was something in his childhood, don't quite remember what, but I do remember reading it.

it is almost always a lot simpler than what is presented.
 
Does anyone know the great proponents of freedom and fairness, United States of America are hugely responsible for the murder of so many of these jews.

Like Hitler, the American govt at the time considered the Jews to be an inferior, mentally weaker people and felt that the immigration of these Jews to America would decrease the intelligence of their community and thus denied hundreds of thousands of them to seek refuge in USA.

This was not just limited to America,but Britain,central Europe and the Soviet Union.

Joseph Stalin committed terrible acts of violence against Jews but publically denied anti-Semitism.

Stalin said to Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov to "purge the ministry of Jews" to appease Hitler for non-aggression talks in the build up to the Second World War.

Then there was the Doctors' plot.Many Jews were sent to Stalin's infamous Gulags and were shot on sight.
 
Last edited:
The reason Hitler hated the Jews is quite simple, the Armistice of WW1 was signed and forced by Jewish German officers, when Hitler and other men wanted to continue fighting.
The Germans were exhausted so they surrendered, Hitler blamed the loss of million young German soldiers on the Jews. He was partly correct in his assumption.

The Treaty of Versailles just impressed more anger on the Germans and the newly formed Nazi party due to its unjust ruling.
 
it was something in his childhood, don't quite remember what, but I do remember reading it.

it is almost always a lot simpler than what is presented.

I'm pretty sure I can answer that - as we've doing on Germany from 1930 to1947 in History - and also started revising for it as I've got a exam on Germany for O level (GCSE's).

Indeed it was somethng to do with his childhood - Hitler was a very good artist and there was no income so he started to sell his paintings to earn money - I think the hate for the jews started when he was rejected by the Academy of Arts who was ran by a Jewish community or when he became a antismite in Vienna where it was flooded of Jewish who according to Hitler's book Mein Kampfh treated him differently.

So I guess that's where the hatred came from although there could be other personal things Hitler suffered in the past from Jewish people - however what surprised me the most was that his Grand father or 2-3 members of his family were Jewish now that's what you call a surprise, just makes you wonder why he would do all this.

All this wouldn't have happended if Van Papen didn't convince Hinderburgh to appoint Hitler as the chancellor thinking they could control him... It was always going to be a risk and it proved to be a failure for Hinderburgh and Van Papen.

Hiter did many things to destroy what he didn't like with the help of SA and SS...

  • Reichstag Fire
  • The night of the long knives
  • The holocaust

And ofcourse many more - just a disgrace what he did - God knows what he's serving right now.
 
I was talking to a friend of mine a few days ago about the hatred for jews. It wasn't just Hitler who hated them, anyone who got their hands on them gave them as good a thrashing as they could give. Why?

I think the answer to that question would be rather interesting too.
 
I was talking to a friend of mine a few days ago about the hatred for jews. It wasn't just Hitler who hated them, anyone who got their hands on them gave them as good a thrashing as they could give. Why?

I think the answer to that question would be rather interesting too.

care to give a few examples of such people..

in same way africans were made slaves everywhere seen subcontinent. why was tht?
 
I was talking to a friend of mine a few days ago about the hatred for jews. It wasn't just Hitler who hated them, anyone who got their hands on them gave them as good a thrashing as they could give. Why?

I'm not sure but during the 1920s Germans and Jewish shared a plate with each other - that's how much love there was between them.

But since Van Papen's STUPID idea to hire Hitler as a chancellor changed the whole thing.

Hitler did many things to indoctrinate or brainwash Germans and especially youngsters to form a hatred against the Jewish people, he made Jewish people look like evils or a threat to Germany and it's people.

And this is where propaganda played a vital role - posters, campaigns and documentries were released/sent out by the SS stating how bad Jewish people are, and potraying them as a threat to Germany and this really scared the Germans and it completely changed their opinion on Jewish people.

Here's one of the posters :-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/images/nazi_propaganda_eternal_jew.jpg

The character in the poster is potraited as a evil person, asking for money with a whip in his other hand. It may not look so persuasive but back then Germans were struggling alot and most of them were not educated.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
It is very simple- the Jews took over Germany and controlled the Germany economy as they owed most the banks. Germany was at it's knees due to Jews. Hitler believed Jews were a small community all over the world who thrived for power, control.
 
You know, I'm sure Hitler would've loved to kill him some Muslims if he had the chance.
 
It is very simple- the Jews took over Germany and controlled the Germany economy as they owed most the banks. Germany was at it's knees due to Jews. Hitler believed Jews were a small community all over the world who thrived for power, control.


In other words they worked hard, put education at the forefront of everything and built a better life for themselves and family. And in the end were very successful in whatever sector they entered.


Why do you say that Germany was at it's knees because of the jews?
 
You know, I'm sure Hitler would've loved to kill him some Muslims if he had the chance.

Not true.Hitler infact actually admired Islam. 'Islam would be a better religion for Europe,why does it have to be Christianity with all its meekness and flabbiness'.

He also maintained connections with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

785px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1987-004-09A%2C_Amin_al_Husseini_und_Adolf_Hitler.jpg
 
According to Albert Speer, Hitler stated in private

The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity.Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"

When discussing with Hitler events which might have occurred had Islam absorbed Europe:

"Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire."
 
Not true.Hitler infact actually admired Islam. 'Islam would be a better religion for Europe,why does it have to be Christianity with all its meekness and flabbiness'.

He also maintained connections with the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem

He is still a mass Murderer a despicable human being and the last thing our religion needs is a endorsement from Hitler. He would probably turn on his word as soon as he was done with the Jews and would have started Murdering Muslims.
 
Last edited:
In other words they worked hard, put education at the forefront of everything and built a better life for themselves and family. And in the end were very successful in whatever sector they entered.


Why do you say that Germany was at it's knees because of the jews?

Hitler believed that Germany was on it knees due to the fact of the Jews as they controlled the economy- Jews had everything under their control in Germany. He believed Jews were the reason of Germanys bust economy of the time. His struggle in early life made his theory a lot more stronger.
 
He is still a mass Murderer a despicable human being and the last thing our religion needs is a endorsement from Hitler. He would probably turn on his word as soon as he was done which Jews and would have started Murdering Muslims.

I'm certainly not condoning what Adolf Hitler did but if you ask who was the worst human being,the biggest murderer in history then it would not be Adolf Hitler.

It would be Joseph Stalin,who committed some of the most horrific atrocities in the Soviet Union.

There are estimations of up to 10 million dead in his time.He perpetrated famines,crushed the kulaks and opponents of collectivisation.

The Purges,the murder or imprisonment of 1 in 4 soldiers in the Army,the show trials of Zionviev,Kamenev and Bukharin,the mass murder of the Politburo and the Communist Party,the murder of Leon Trotsky,there are so many crimes 'Uncle Joe' committed,that one cannot possiblly recollect all of them.

Others estimate 20-65 million either dead,sent to the gulags or died of organized famines such as the Ukranian Holodomor (up to 5-10 million in that alone)

Stalin's own son even tried to commit suicide by shooting himself,when he failed to kill himself,Stalin remarked 'The boy can't even shoot straight'.

He was a monster,absolutely sick.Adolf Hitler was no angel though,people say that perhaps that more lives would have been saved if we went after Communism in the East,rather than Nazi Germany.Perhaps an alliance with Hitler to dismantle the USSR,and then go after Hitler himself,thus avoiding the Cold War.

However,both Hitler and Stalin are reunited in the depths of hell and forever they will stay there.
 
Last edited:
@ ArmanKhan

Agree completely, according to his disgusting racial views, arabs (semites) are just another lowly race. Whether he disliked them more or less than race x or y, I don't know.

And the so called dialogue with the Mufti were instigated by the latter more through his desperation at seeing his homeland being taken from him.
 
He is still a mass Murderer a despicable human being and the last thing our religion needs is a endorsement from Hitler. He would probably turn on his word as soon as he was done with the Jews and would have started Murdering Muslims.

If only you had history lessons :misbah

Hitler admired Islam- he had a Bosnian unit and built Muslim places if worship for his unit. He let the Bosnian unit practice their religion wout any restrictions. Hitler also had close ties with musti of jeruslem.

Hitler liked Muslims as they stayed on their own homelands and didn't intervene with foreign countries affairs. The dame can't be said of Jews as at the time they had no homeland and were scattered across Europe, USA with the best of jobs.
 
He would probably turn on his word as soon as he was done with the Jews and would have started Murdering Muslims

Just to pick up on that point,it is rather hypothetical to say that Hitler would have gone on to target Muslims specifically.

Let's look at something that wasn't hypothetical,something that DID involve the persecution of Muslims in the 1930s onwards.

That was Stalin's oppression of Muslims in the Soviet Union. He wanted people to pray to him as a God. Stalin's Cult of personality had no place for any religious sentiment.

Crimean Tatar Muslims were subject to mass deportation in 1944 and some were sent to Gulags.105 Crimean Tatars died of starvation in Uzbekistan and 46% of Crimean Tatar Muslims.

Mosques were closed or turned into warehouses.Stalin even banned the veils,as a sign that Muslim women were oppressed.

Stalin committed far worse actions against Muslims in the Soviet Union than Adolf Hitler (hypothetically) did.
 
If only you had history lessons :misbah

Hitler admired Islam- he had a Bosnian unit and built Muslim places if worship for his unit. He let the Bosnian unit practice their religion wout any restrictions. Hitler also had close ties with musti of jeruslem.

Hitler liked Muslims as they stayed on their own homelands and didn't intervene with foreign countries affairs. The dame can't be said of Jews as at the time they had no homeland and were scattered across Europe, USA with the best of jobs.

You can have the history lesson I will keep my common sense. What are you trying to imply here? Hitler liking Islam somehow makes him a better person? How on earth can you associate a mass murdered to Islam and be okay with it.

The last person I want to take any liking to Islam is Hitler. I don't care if he Murdered Jews or Muslims the bottom line is he slaughtered Millions of innocent human beings and in my book he is the most despicable person that has ever lived.

You can praise him and worship him all you want but don't associate him with Islam or even liking our religion.
 
I'm pretty sure I can answer that - as we've doing on Germany from 1930 to1947 in History - and also started revising for it as I've got a exam on Germany for O level (GCSE's).

Indeed it was somethng to do with his childhood - Hitler was a very good artist and there was no income so he started to sell his paintings to earn money - I think the hate for the jews started when he was rejected by the Academy of Arts who was ran by a Jewish community or when he became a antismite in Vienna where it was flooded of Jewish who according to Hitler's book Mein Kampfh treated him differently.

So I guess that's where the hatred came from although there could be other personal things Hitler suffered in the past from Jewish people - however what surprised me the most was that his Grand father or 2-3 members of his family were Jewish now that's what you call a surprise, just makes you wonder why he would do all this.

All this wouldn't have happended if Van Papen didn't convince Hinderburgh to appoint Hitler as the chancellor thinking they could control him... It was always going to be a risk and it proved to be a failure for Hinderburgh and Van Papen.

Hiter did many things to destroy what he didn't like with the help of SA and SS...

  • Reichstag Fire
  • The night of the long knives
  • The holocaust

And ofcourse many more - just a disgrace what he did - God knows what he's serving right now.

there you go, thanks Theo.

I was talking to a friend of mine a few days ago about the hatred for jews. It wasn't just Hitler who hated them, anyone who got their hands on them gave them as good a thrashing as they could give. Why?

I think the answer to that question would be rather interesting too.

have been persecuted in Europe for centuries, Muslims used to shelter them.

The Inquisition era and jealousy of their money could be 2 reasons IMO.


and for those who say Muslims would have been fine, you're wrong...we were in the shortlist.
 
Nazis were not interested in religion and persecuted people they claimed were of different races, which is how they defined Jews.Hitler might have tolerated Arab Muslims, but probably not black African Muslims.
 
I've got a copy of Mein Kampf and he seems to hate Jews for a lot of reasons. Just a typical Racial Purist really who got a bit out of hand.
 
Hitler hated religion in general so people who are saying that he would have been any better to Muslims need a reality check..
Additionally, he only wanted to spare his made up version of the Aryan race with blond hair and blue eyes and majority of Muslims are not that in anycase so there goes that....
Hitler's main aim was to build a super race and get rid of 'racial junk' like Jews
 
Hitler was very high on drugs during the last few years of his rule. If you read deeply and watch 1-2 documentaries on youtube especially "High Hitler", he was taking morphine, coke and was really addicted to them. Though i doubt that really made any difference to the origins of his view points but yes it did impair his judgement badly.

He was unbelievably unrealistic, he could have easily made a run for it and become the most sought fugitive. There are rumours he actually in the end managed to escape to Argentina and live the rest of his life there comfortably.
 
Hitler hated Jews sure but he also had a Jewish division in his army.

Hitler also had a secret deal with zionists called the transfer agreement.

You won't learn about these in school.
 
Watch 'Downfall'.

Quite possibly one of the best cinema celluloid you will ever watch.
 
Watch 'Downfall'.

Quite possibly one of the best cinema celluloid you will ever watch.

Fantastic film,definitely recommended.

Felt sorry for the doctor Ernst-Gunther Schenck.The sheer desperation and the human tragedy was portrayed really powerfully.
 
Fantastic film,definitely recommended.

Felt sorry for the doctor Ernst-Gunther Schenck.The sheer desperation and the human tragedy was portrayed really powerfully.

Will go down in the annals of cinema as one of the most powerful movies of all time.
 
"I could have annihilated all the jews, but i left some of them so the world would know why i killed them"
Adolf Hitler
 
After the Munich Putsch incident where 16 SA men and 4 policemen were killed... Hitler was sentenced to Landsberg prison where he wrote the books Mein Kampf (My Struggle) & Living space for Germany.

And just had a look on Google whether there was any mention of Islam - and there's nothing I could find... Infact I'm not even sure if it's true that he admired Islam although if he did then I'm pretty sure he had a plan in his sick mind to hunt the Muslims down.

He was clearly against Fundamentalist - he wanted to get rid of churches and popes as Hitler thought he was losing power considering most Germans had belief in priests etc

So Hitler decided to close down all churches but few days later decided to form a reichstag church I believe where the bible and cross was replaced by Mein Kampf book and a sword - he even took over religion aswell as jews, youngsters and goverment.. Awfull man.
 
Many of the things Hitler accused the jews of doing may or may not have been true in Germany/Europe

But they are certainly true in Palestine and the Mid East...

The actions of the Jews in Palestine have only proven that Hitler had a point about them, the way they have conducted themselves only shows hat they learnt some of the lessons the Nazi gave them.


They are a strange people, overall the Muslim-Jew relationship isnt all bad we have had alot of good connections over the centuries,
There relationship with white christians has been much much worse then with pogroms across europe from Russia to the Uk culminating in the Holocaust

However they then chose to use this event as an excuse to humiliate and oppress the palestinians for over 50 years they have abused, stolen land, killed innocents and think that they can force acceptance due to dominance.

they are mistaken and have created an immense amount of hatred amongst muslims for there actions
 
Hitler hated Jews sure but he also had a Jewish division in his army.

Hitler also had a secret deal with zionists called the transfer agreement.

You won't learn about these in school.

yes, have read that...its something to think about, certainly.

seems quite far-fetched though.
 
On the matter of 'everyone' abusing the Jews, it's very true. Ironically Muslims have pretty much always offered shelter and a home to Jews, and it's been the European Christians who have been at the forefront of discrimination and abuse towards them.

The irony in todays reality is amusing to say the least.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
On the matter of 'everyone' abusing the Jews, it's very true. Ironically Muslims have pretty much always offered shelter and a home to Jews, and it's been the European Christians who have been at the forefront of discrimination and abuse towards them.

The irony in todays reality is amusing to say the least.

Yeah the weird thing ios they are trying there utmost to ingratiate themselves with various white christians and have become some of the biggest enemies of Muslims.

They have created an immense amount of hatred amongst the muslims of the world at the same time making allies with the very people who were at there throats for centuries.


The world is in constant flux and changes all the time, a time will come when the muslims will rise again. the muslim population is already set to exceed 2 billion by 2030 and a QUATER of israel is set to be muslim by 2030.. Its amazing they dont see that the consequences of there actions today could haunt them tomorrow
 
doesn't make a difference if a few are in power.

every 5th person in the world is a Muslim, yet our lack of control is there for all to see.
 
I always found the Hadiths relating to Jews and Dajjal quite interesting. Everything is falling in place..:asif
 
:)) At people trying to make a link between Hitler and Islam, we were the next in line make no mistake about it. This failed attempt deserves a big

Tactical-facepalm.jpg
 
Last edited:
Just to pick up on that point,it is rather hypothetical to say that Hitler would have gone on to target Muslims specifically.

Let's look at something that wasn't hypothetical,something that DID involve the persecution of Muslims in the 1930s onwards.

That was Stalin's oppression of Muslims in the Soviet Union. He wanted people to pray to him as a God. Stalin's Cult of personality had no place for any religious sentiment.

Crimean Tatar Muslims were subject to mass deportation in 1944 and some were sent to Gulags.105 Crimean Tatars died of starvation in Uzbekistan and 46% of Crimean Tatar Muslims.

Mosques were closed or turned into warehouses.Stalin even banned the veils,as a sign that Muslim women were oppressed.

Stalin committed far worse actions against Muslims in the Soviet Union than Adolf Hitler (hypothetically) did.


Whats really interesting is that German's essentially have been conditioned to look back at their past with disdain...Russians meanwhile still look at Stalin with pride...he was voted 3rd best Russian ever in 2008
 
Are you serious Shaykh? And the world would look at us weird for respecting Dr. AQ Khan.

I once knew a Serbian who was a massive fan of that prime minister/whatever who was charged with a war crime and died in jail. Yeah, typing out all that was easier than googling his name lol.

Strange world we live in huh?
 
Are you serious Shaykh? And the world would look at us weird for respecting Dr. AQ Khan.

I once knew a Serbian who was a massive fan of that prime minister/whatever who was charged with a war crime and died in jail. Yeah, typing out all that was easier than googling his name lol.

Strange world we live in huh?

Yeah...it was quite widely reported...the Serbian one isnt surprising...Milosevic was a popular leader to my understanding and foreign intervention always unifies a nation behind their leader even further...

Stalin voted third-best Russian

Former Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin was beaten by medieval prince Alexander Nevsky in a poll held by a TV station to find the greatest Russian.

Stalin came third, despite being responsible for the deaths of millions of Soviets in labour camps and purges.
Alexander Nevsky fought off European invaders in the 13th century to preserve a united Russia.

In second place was reformist Prime Minister Pyotr Stolypin, who was assassinated in 1911.

More than 50 million people voted by phone, the internet or via text messages in the poll held by Rossiya, one of Russia's biggest television stations.

The voting took place over six months as 500 original candidates were whittled down to a final 12.

Stalin - an ethnic Georgian - was riding high for many months and was in the number one slot at one point until the show's producer appealed to viewers to vote for someone else, says the BBC's Richard Galpin in Moscow.

Stalin sent millions of people to their deaths in the work camps of the Gulag. Millions more perished in political purges or during the forced collectivisation of farms during his rule from the 1920s to his death in 1953.

Many in Russia do still revere Stalin for his role during World War II when the Soviet Union defeated the forces of Nazi Germany.

But now there is a much broader campaign to rehabilitate Stalin and it seems to be coming from the highest levels of government, says our correspondent.

"We now have to think very seriously, why the nation chooses to put [Joseph] Stalin in third place," said actor and film director Nikita Mikhalkov, one of the contest's judges, after the results were released.
Nevsky fought off Swedish and Germanic invasions to preserve medieval Russia. He also pursued a conciliatory policy with the powerful Mongol rulers to protect Russia's eastern flank.
He was canonised as a saint by the Russian Orthodox Church in the 16th century.

Stolypin is remembered for his attempts to modernise agriculture and stifle leftist revolutionaries as prime minister under Tsar Nicholas II.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7802485.stm
 
he just had to find someone to blame Germany's poor condition on and he decided to pick on the Jews coz they were an easy target for him. Besides Hitler's ancestors were Jewish themselves.
 
rejected from arts academy run by jews
sold paintings on streets as a result

during the cold winter months he used to go to these meetings by various people that were anti jewish seminars and become more opinionated

saw that they had good jobs whereas he was living on the streets as a second class citizen...


was my favourite question in the history papers...always, so much interesting stuff during ww2
 
Lol didnt know this before...a poll of 2.4 million Americans in 2005 saw GW Bush as the greatest living American and 6th most popular overall...Reagan came first...so Russia are hardly alone in deifying war criminals...

Britain also holds a war criminal at no1...and as mentioned before Germany have Adenauer...

Reagan voted 'greatest American'

Former US President Ronald Reagan has been voted the "greatest American" of all time by his fellow citizens.
Mr Reagan, who died last year aged 93, topped a list of 10 contenders, which featured six former presidents.

He edged out Abraham Lincoln, who abolished slavery, and civil rights leader Martin Luther King.

Some of the most notable names of US history such as Albert Einstein and Neil Armstrong, the first man to walk on the Moon, did not make the top 10.

Talk show host Oprah Winfrey is the highest ranked female contender at ninth place, making her the greatest American woman.

George Washington, the first US president who is considered the father of the nation, comes in at fourth place.

Current US President George W Bush and his predecessor Bill Clinton, whose presidency was tarnished by the Monica Lewinski sex scandal, are both in the top 10.

More than 2.4 million Americans cast their vote by phone, text or e-mail in the poll, organised by the Discovery Channel and AOL.

Some observers suggest the image of Mr Reagan, who was criticised as an intellectual lightweight during his presidency, has been enhanced following his death as millions of Americans cast a rose-tinted look back at his presidency.

His two terms in office (1981-1989) coincided with a period of economic prosperity, the crumbling of the Soviet bloc and a renewed sense of pride among Americans still reeling from the Vietnam War.

Other greats

In a similar exercise held in the UK in 2002, wartime Prime Minister Winston Churchill was voted the greatest Briton.

More than one million votes were cast to select the final 10 which included inventor Brunel and scientists Darwin and Newton.

In France, where former President Charles de Gaulle finished first in April 2005, the final list also contained two scientists, Louis Pasteur and Marie Curie.

In a poll held in Germany in 2003, former Chancellor Konrad Adenauer beat Reformation monk Martin Luther and political thinker Karl Marx into second and third place in a top 10 that included Albert Einstein and the inventor of the printing press Johannes Gutenberg.
 
Lol didnt know this before...a poll of 2.4 million Americans in 2005 saw GW Bush as the greatest living American and 6th most popular overall...Reagan came first...so Russia are hardly alone in deifying war criminals...

Britain also holds a war criminal at no1...and as mentioned before Germany have Adenauer...

its just 2.4 million people so a very small and distrted sample which does not cover even 1% of population. so results cannot be trusted.

the russion one on the other hand had 50 million people
 
People get this image that Adolf Hitler would kill all those around him like some mass-murdering fiend.

You are confusing him with Stalin,who was paranoid about everyone. (Facepalm at him being made 3rd popular politician)

Hitler was a pragmatic politician,like Lenin.He knew when to make deals and trades and compromises.He was a genius,unfortunately for all the wrong reasons.

The Nazis revolutionized the autobahns,the Volkswagons,the idea of using helicopters for election campaigns etc etc.

They gave employment to people and spent millions on improving the welfare of the people of Germany.How was he going to pay all of the money back ? By looting Europe quite frankly.

Jews,whilst at the top of his agenda,Hitler actually despised Slavs just as much.He always spoke of 'smashing the East' and carving out an German Eastern Empire by conquering the USSR.

It was a totally harebrained scheme,though it almost did work until Stalingrad and then the harsh Soviet winter.

Also,about Winston Churchill being ranked as best politician.

It goes to show the ignorance that a lot of British people have about history.Churchill seems to be revered as some sort of 'Freedom Fighter' for liberal mankind.What nonsense !

He was a typical imperialist ! He may have been a great wartime leader but certainly not a good peacetime Prime Minister.

Churchill even had disparaging views about Islam.He was a crank racist and a bigot.
 
Last edited:
Hitler not only killed the Jews, he also killed lots of gypsies, disabled people and homosexuals. He also had no love for coloured folks as well, so what makes people think that he would've been friends with Muslims? I mean Muslims today having trouble getting respect in all democratic, secular and civilized Germany, what makes you think they would've survived under the Nazis?
 
Hitler isn't the only one who troubled the jews, homosexuals, communist and fundamentalist - the members of his Nazi party's also played a big role in destroying anyone who Hitler thought was a threat to him and Germany.

Himmler - who was Hitler's deputy I believe... He was the head of SS and he set up the death camps - he was a muderer of killing six million Jews including 3-4 million homosexuals or who were mentally ill so in total he and the SS killed around 10million people with the help of death camps too, that is just sickening.

And there was Goebbels - he was labeled as the best speaker after Hitler - and had the role of organising Propaganda where he indoctrinated young Germans and protraited Jews as a threat to Germany - he did many other things such as...

1) theatres had to be related to policitcs
2) before the film started in cinemas - there was a 45 documentry on Hitler and the Nazi party
3) KDF was organised by him and lead by Dr Robert where they offered cheap tickets for cinemas, holidays, cruises hoping to get their votes in return.

And of course there's Rohm who was the head of SA - he was killed by the SS as Hitler thought he was taking over the army and there was Heydrich who was the head of Dachau I believe or the concentration camp, not sure.

But the bottom line is that Hitler wasn't the only one who played a role in killing innoncent people - his members were involved too.

Makes me wonder... IF Van papen ex chancellor didn't advise Hinderburgh to hire Hitler as the chancellor than all this would not have happened, it was clearly a stupid and risky move - and it cost them, big time.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Makes me wonder... IF Van papen ex chancellor didn't advise Hinderburgh to hire Hitler as the chancellor than all this would not have happened, it was clearly a stupid and risky move - and it cost them, big time.

It would be unfair to pin the success of Hitler on Von Papen's decision. There were a number of other factors involved too.

Firstly,Adolf Hitler's Nazi Party were the largest single party in the Reichstag with 230 seats in July 1932.

Von Papen had virtually no support at all in the Reichstag.

Secondly,Hitler was always going to find it difficult to keep popular support if he was seen to be clashing with the old war hero President Hindenburg so Hindenburg's death in 1934 certainly helped Hitler establish his single-party dictatorship.

Last point is that had the Communists and Socialists joined forces they would probably have been strong enough both in the Reichstag and on the streets to have blocked the Nazis.

The fact was that by 1933 there were simply not enough Germans who believed in democracy and individual freedom to save the Weimar Republic.

P.S The head of the SS Heinrich Himmler IMO was an even bigger murderer. He was responsible for many of the crimes in the Holocaust and the more brutal and horrific methods of killing in the concentration camps.
 
Last edited:
its just 2.4 million people so a very small and distrted sample which does not cover even 1% of population. so results cannot be trusted.

the russion one on the other hand had 50 million people

Its a more than big enough sample to determine an opinion...there aren't opinion polls that survey the whole population...

No survey is perfect...would you reject every poll on the basis that they do not survey the whole population?...that wasn't a sarcastic question btw...

There are issues beyond sample size that are more important to ensure...sampling methods are a superior basis for criticism of studies or even whether the study is qualitative or quantitative...2.4 million is a huge sample for a study...
 
It goes to show the ignorance that a lot of British people have about history.Churchill seems to be revered as some sort of 'Freedom Fighter' for liberal mankind.What nonsense !

He was a typical imperialist ! He may have been a great wartime leader but certainly not a good peacetime Prime Minister.

+1

Exactly we needed in 1940, though.

Churchill even had disparaging views about Islam.

Aye, there is a very choice quote from him in 1899 which I don't dare post here.
 
It would be unfair to pin the success of Hitler on Von Papen's decision. There were a number of other factors involved too.

Firstly,Adolf Hitler's Nazi Party were the largest single party in the Reichstag with 230 seats in July 1932.

Von Papen had virtually no support at all in the Reichstag.

Secondly,Hitler was always going to find it difficult to keep popular support if he was seen to be clashing with the old war hero President Hindenburg so Hindenburg's death in 1934 certainly helped Hitler establish his single-party dictatorship.

Last point is that had the Communists and Socialists joined forces they would probably have been strong enough both in the Reichstag and on the streets to have blocked the Nazis.

The fact was that by 1933 there were simply not enough Germans who believed in democracy and individual freedom to save the Weimar Republic.

P.S The head of the SS Heinrich Himmler IMO was an even bigger murderer. He was responsible for many of the crimes in the Holocaust and the more brutal and horrific methods of killing in the concentration camps.

But I'm pretty sure all those factors you have mentioned happened AFTER the appointment of Hitler as the chancellor of Germany.

And those factors would not have happened IF Van Papen convinced Hinderburgh to appoint Hitler as the chancellor, thinking they would gain control over him which did not happen as Hitler ended up being in more control over both of them.

I just feel if Van papen didn't act so smart then mabye Hitler wouldn't have been in such a strong position, don't you think?

Hitler's biggest advantage was that Germans were clearly against the Weimar Republic as they had accepted the versailles treaty who blamed Germany for the war also forcing Germany to pay reperation payments. Germans believed that WR were treating them as scapegoats and blamed the November criminals which Hitler also believed in.

All Hitler needed was more votes through legal process (which he realised he had to do in order to gain votes, during his time in Landsberg prison), hope that Weimar Republic struggle (ie the great depression) and somehow get a vital role in the goverment such as chancellor, mayor or a job in the cabinet to suceed and start his evil project which he had in his mind in the first place.

Everything was going fine for Hitler although there was some scare for him as Gustav Stresseman's composed policies led Weimar Republic to recovery where he signed the Dawes Plan, Kellog-bian pact, Young plan and of course the withdrawal of French army from Ruhr - but that wasn't enough for Weimar Republic to get rid of Hitler for good.

Infact the Reichstag fire played a role too - as Hitler blamed Van der Lubbe (Dutch Communist) and it clearly scared the Germans but more importantly this led to the emergency law which was the protection of the state and people which restricted Jews freedom, speech etc

Overall I believe the likes of Reichstag fire, Van Papen & Hinderburgh hiring Hitler as a chancellor and Weimar Repubic being unpopular helped Hitler alot, and made things easier for him despite Stresseman trying his best but it clearly not enough to stop this man from doing what he did.

And I completely agree on Himmler - he killed over 7million Jews with the help of death camps and let's not forget that he killed 3-4 million gypsies, homosexuals or who he thought had disabilities. I'm pretty use it was Himmler who led the 4 year plan (to prepare Germany for the war) and he sacked many Jews from their jobs, expelled Jewish pupils from school - sickening stuff.
 
Last edited:
I think we should get out of this Crap mentality and began to worry about our own problems.Israel and Palestinian Conflict is political so we should not consider every Jew as our enemy
 
Damn the ignorance in this thread is amazing. UK ppers get this thourgh your small brains, you guys wouldnt be here if England had lost to Germany in WWII. And lol at people believing he would have spared muslims. He killed his own people (German jews who lived there for hundreds of years) now imagine what he could have done to rest of the world?
 
Last edited:
Thank God Israel also has power to defend it self if not the Pakistanis would have Attacked and killed every jew
 
and you base on that on the trillions of Jews Pakistanis have killed already?
 
I recommend the volumes by Max Domarus, entitled "Hitler: Speeches And Proclamations" An essential read for those seeking insights into the manner and method of Adolf Hitler.

He was extremely intelligent, highly articulate, widely read. In his speeches, he often invoked the name of God. So that, though his zeal was hardly religious or spiritual in essence or substance - he behaved as though he was upon a divinely appointed mission to restore all of Germanic lands/people to the Motherland. He was a man obsessed.

What a waste of a great mind.
 
Damn the ignorance in this thread is amazing. UK ppers get this thourgh your small brains, you guys wouldnt be here if England had lost to Germany in WWII. And lol at people believing he would have spared muslims. He killed his own people (German jews who lived there for hundreds of years) now imagine what he could have done to rest of the world?

Look,nobody here is defending Hitler.

People seem to have this idea that Hitler is evil personified and killed everyone in his wake.

Not entirely true,yes he wanted to exterminate Jews and Slavs,but he believed Islam would be more compatible a religion for Europe NOT Christianity.

Here are some quotes by Hitler about Islam.

Only in the Roman Empire and in Spain under Arab domination has culture been a potent factor. Under the Arab, the standard attained was wholly admirable; to Spain flocked the greatest scientists, thinkers, astronomers, and mathematicians of the world, and side by side there flourished a spirit of sweet human tolerance and a sense of purist chivalry. Then with the advent of Christianity, came the barbarians.

Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers—already you see the world had already fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing Christianity!—then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so.
28 August 1942

In the Spanish people there is a mixture of Gothic, Frankish and Moorish blood. One can speak of the Spaniard as one would speak of a brave anarachist. The Arabian epoch - the Arabs look down on the Turks as they do on dogs - was the most cultured, the most intellectual and in every way best and happiest epoch in Spanish history. It was followed by the period of the persecutions with its unceasing atrocities.
1 August 1942

The fact that the Japanese have retained their political philosophy, which is one of the essential reasons for their success, is due to their having been saved in time from the views of Christianity. Just as in Islam, there is no terrorism in the Japanese State religion, but, on the contrary, a promise of happiness. This terrorism in religion is , to put it briefly, of a Jewish dogma, which Christianity has universalized and whose effect is to sow trouble and confusion in men’s minds.
4 April 1942

Under the guidance of the Reich, Europe would speedily have become unified. Once the Jewish poison had been eradicated, unification would have been an easy matter. France and Italy, each defeated in turn at an interval of a few months by the two Germanic Powers, would have been well out of it. Both would have had to renounce their inappropriate aspirations to greatness. At the same time they would have had to renounce their pretentions in North Africa and the Near East; and that would have allowed Europe to pursue a bold policy of friendship towards Islam.
4th February 1945

Our Italian ally has been a source of embarrassment to us everywhere. It was this alliance, for instance, which prevented us from pursuing a revolutionary policy in North Africa. In the nature of things, this territory was becoming an Italian preserve and it was as such that the Duce laid claim to it.

Had we been on our own, we could have emancipated the Moslem countries dominated by France; and that would have had enormous repercussions in the Near East, dominated by Britain, and in Egypt. But with our fortunes linked to those of the Italians, the pursuit of such a policy was not possible. All Islam vibrated at the news of our victories. The Egyptians, the Irakis and the whole of the Near East were all ready to rise in revolt. Just think what we could have done to help them, even to incite them, as would have been both our duty and in our own interest!

But the presence of the Italians at our side paralysed us; it created a feeling of malaise among our Islamic friends, who inevitably saw in us accomplices, willing or unwilling, of their oppressors. For the Italians in these parts of the world are more bitterly hated, of course, than either the British or the French. The memories of the barbarous, reprisals taken against the Senussi are still vivid. Then again the ridiculous pretensions of the Duce to be regarded as The Sword of Islam evokes the same sneering chuckle now as it did before the war.

This title, which is fitting for Mahomed and a great conqueror like Omar, Mussolini caused to be conferred on himself by a few wretched brutes whom he had either bribed or terrorized into doing so. We had a great chance of pursuing a splendid policy with regard to Islam. But we missed the bus, as we missed it on several other occasions, thanks to our loyalty to the Italian alliance! In this theatre of operations, then, the Italians prevented us from playing our best card, the emancipation of the French subjects and the raising of the standard of revolt in the countries oppressed by the British. Such a policy would have aroused the enthusiasm of the whole of Islam. It is a characteristic of the Moslem world, from the shores of the Atlantic to those of the Pacific, that what affects one, for good or for evil, affects all.
17th February 1945

The peoples of Islam will always be closer to us than, for example, France.
2nd April 1945

It is deplorable that the Bible should have been translated into German, and that the whole of the German Folk should have thus become exposed to the whole of this Jewish mumbo jumbo… As a sane German, one is flabbergasted to think that German human beings could have let themselves be brought to such a pass by Jewish filth and priestly twaddle, that they were little different from the howling dervish of the Turks and the negroes, at whom we laugh so scornfully.

It angers one to think that, while in other parts of the globe religious teaching like that of Confucius, Buddha and Mohammed offers an undeniably broad basis for the religious-minded, Germans should have been duped by a theological exposition devoid of all honest depth.
5 June 1942

I can imagine people being enthusiastic about the paradise of Mahomet, but as for the insipid paradise of the Christians! In your lifetime, you used to hear the music of Richard Wagner. After your death, it will be nothing but hallelujahs, the waving of palms, children of an age for the feeding-bottle, and hoary old men. The man of the isles pays homage to the forces of nature.

But Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless — A negro with his taboos is crushingly superior to the human being who seriously believes in transubstantiation.
13 December 1941
 
Last edited:
Here are some of my views regarding Hitler's hate on Jews and other important events...
1) http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3727675&postcount=96
2) http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3728031&postcount=100
3) http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3729067&postcount=124
4) http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showpost.php?p=3730837&postcount=148


-----​

I think no one mentioned here the people that "dared" to show bravery by stepping up and sharing their views which were against Hitler's & the Nazi's OR tried helping the Jews out.

Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a Christian who spoke out against the Nazi's many times. Once he was banned for preaching and that didn't stop him from progressing as he joined the resistance underground movement where he formed a plan of Operation 7 which was to help the Jews by escaping them to places like Switzerland. However in 1945 he was arrested by the Nazi's and was soon executed.

There's many more oppositions that grew against Hiter, such as... Edelweiss Pirates and Swing Youth who accepted Jewish people. Also Martin, Beck, Count Von and Dr Carl were the other's who grew against Hitler and his ideas.

-----​

It was getting worse and worse for Hitler after the final solution as Allies started to over power Germany. Weidling the general managed to convince Germany and it's troops to surrender, Hitler was heading towards a defeat... A defeat which resulted in him comitting suicide, where he married Eva Braun a day before and sacked Himmler, Goering for betrayal and appointing Admiral as head of state + arm force and Goebbels as the chancellor.

After that, everything finished. The big three (Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt decided to devide Germany into 4 zones, ban the Nazi party and introduce free elections for people that liberated from Germany, a couple of more. This was decided in the Yalta conference and in Potsdam.
 
What are the best documentaries on Hitler on youtube?
 
I have half baked knowledge of this so i would refrain from making blunt statements here. Its worth noting that Jews were generally bankers and bankers always end up antagonising people especially if they are already from a race which is considered Pariah.
 
Back
Top