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Nimrat Kaur The lunchbox actress is supposed to be in this series now. Has she made her debut in episode so far!
 
They cant exactly hire pak actors now can they? Overwhelming majority of humanity sees little difference in Indians and Pakistanis and the the show creators have made decisions based on acting talent.
 
niishaa said:
Nimrat Kaur The lunchbox actress is supposed to be in this series now. Has she made her debut in episode so far!
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not yet read somewhere she will play the role of ISI agent versus her CIA counterpart, could be interesting.btw She is beautiful.
 
I can't wait she. She actually is talented unlike the sonam kapoor and anushkas of Bollywood.
 
Pretty slow episode this past Sunday. Looks like the're going to have Quinn develop feelings for Carrie.

Hopefully not too many character development episodes and more action now going forward.
 
Gabbar Singh said:
She does :)

The latest episode is okay - as mentioned above a predictable (and clichéd) ending though.
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This season is way better than previous ones. As good as the first. I'm enjoying the espionage aspect more than over the top action shooting everyone.
 
Really loving this season. Wasn't sure how I would like the show without Brody but they focused more on the espionage and real world scenarios which is well done.
 
so they must be continue with the stereotypical Pakistan ISI double game blah blah blah otherwise Bandra wouldn't be jumping up and down with joy! Glad I don't watch this bigoted propaganda nonsense anymore.
 
the Great Khan said:
so they must be continue with the stereotypical Pakistan ISI double game blah blah blah otherwise Bandra wouldn't be jumping up and down with joy! Glad I don't watch this bigoted propaganda nonsense anymore.
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well bandra wouldnt have liked portrayal of many other things.
 
The writers and producers appear to have eaten some magic beans recently. A very fine return to form this series! Enjoying the more deliberate pace and intelligent scripts.
 
Young aayan being a observant Muslim could've done with a trim, his armpit hairs were scraping the floor when he got out of bed with Carrie !
 
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12 episodes is too short for an intriguing series like this, should have been 24 atleast

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so have they portrayed the ISI as a state within a state yet? or playing their weird double games? or helping the militants?
 
^ All 3 of them! They really have gone really deep into it since the militant group they've shown is the Haqqani network.
 
smoothcriminal said:
^ All 3 of them! They really have gone really deep into it since the militant group they've shown is the Haqqani network.
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lol and I can bet its pretty inaccurate then. By the way the ISI is part of the pak army. Its not like the CIA which is a separate org. Pakistan likes to let people think that so they can have deniability.
 
Just listened to a programme on BBC radio where a Pakistani author lambasted the series for portraying Pakistan negatively, and showcasing all Pakistanis as terrorists.
 
latest episode was outstanding again...this is my favorite season...what a recovery...
 
Varun said:
Just listened to a programme on BBC radio where a Pakistani author lambasted the series for portraying Pakistan negatively, and showcasing all Pakistanis as terrorists.
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Nonsense...it showed that there are divisions within the ISI regarding the Taliban...as evidenced by the officer helping Carrie...its not clear yet whether Tasneem is acting with support of top brass or not...

Even the killing of Sammy was staged...so it wasnt a random mob...

Ayan was a sympathetic character...he was even made to look sympathetic despite helping his uncle...

I think it shows that traitors exist on all sides and there is extreme distrust on both sides which is a fair assessment imo...
 
shaykh said:
Nonsense...it showed that there are divisions within the ISI regarding the Taliban...as evidenced by the officer helping Carrie...its not clear yet whether Tasneem is acting with support of top brass or not...

Even the killing of Sammy was staged...so it wasnt a random mob...

Ayan was a sympathetic character...he was even made to look sympathetic despite helping his uncle...

I think it shows that traitors exist on all sides and there is extreme distrust on both sides which is a fair assessment imo...
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that's where the fiction part comes in. In reality there is no "friction". Orders a given and they are followed, end of.
What would be interesting is if they talk about a Salala type incident but then I wont hold my breath.
 
Gabbar Singh said:
The latest episode was very good - that scene on the runway was exceptional.
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The scene with Haqqani and his troops in the tunnel was brilliant...the music made that scene...I do like how the villains aren't incompetent or cartoonish in Homeland...
 
Can i watch homeland season 3 directly without watching the first 2 seasons? is the back story extremely integral to the plot? I am curious now but i don't have time to watch all of it.
 
niishaa said:
Can i watch homeland season 3 directly without watching the first 2 seasons? is the back story extremely integral to the plot? I am curious now but i don't have time to watch all of it.
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Season 4 is ongoing at the moment. You could watch Season 4 alone. It has gone away from Seasons 1-3.

I would recommend watching Season 1 also. You could watch Season 1 and then Season 4 and be just fine in my opinion.
 
Gotham Cronie said:
Season 4 is ongoing at the moment. You could watch Season 4 alone. It has gone away from Seasons 1-3.

I would recommend watching Season 1 also. You could watch Season 1 and then Season 4 and be just fine in my opinion.
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Okay Okay thanks. I meant season 4 which is set in pakistan and not season 3
 
Watching the latest episode of Homeland, initial reaction as a Pakistani was filled with anger. At first glance, i'd say my country was wrongly portrayed in Homeland as a backbiting nation that ate up American aid while simultaneously facilitating terrorists to the extent of orchestrating a US Embassy attack. A truly preposterous storyline it is. The Pakistan ISI/Army/Government wouldn't let an attack on U.S. Embassy happen, not because of some moral obligation that it owes towards the Embassy, but because it needs that steady influx of military weaponry to cherry pick the terrorists they distinguish as "bad terrorists" from the "good ones." Plus, we have to improve our nuclear arsenal from 100 nukes to 120 nukes.

But I dug deeper and figured there's a bigger problem. A massive PR (public relations) problem. Our country just isn't pretty anymore. Far from it. Ask anyone around the globe what they think of Pakistan and you'll get an answer similar to the screenshot from this picture. It isn't an anti-Pakistan campaign lodged by "Amreeka" anymore when such perception exists around the world.

Why?

We have rampant corruption, exhibit systematic ambivalence towards torture of minorities while refusing to protect them, we have an intelligence agency that doesn't answer towards any body and has made its own state within a State. Finally as a State we treat our own heroes as villains (e.g., Abdus Salam).

Sure, Pakistan is not a monolithic entity and is comprised of various people from vast different trains of thought, many of them so brave. I exhaust all my energy everyday reminding everyone of that.

But when we have a problem with a 14 year old girl shot in the head for going to school as representative of Pakistan and instead label her as a Western *****, then we might as well start getting used to Homeland episodes like these and enjoy them!
We deserve to be one-dimensional antagonists on popular TV shows.
 
smoothcriminal said:
Watching the latest episode of Homeland, initial reaction as a Pakistani was filled with anger. At first glance, i'd say my country was wrongly portrayed in Homeland as a backbiting nation that ate up American aid while simultaneously facilitating terrorists to the extent of orchestrating a US Embassy attack. A truly preposterous storyline it is. The Pakistan ISI/Army/Government wouldn't let an attack on U.S. Embassy happen, not because of some moral obligation that it owes towards the Embassy, but because it needs that steady influx of military weaponry to cherry pick the terrorists they distinguish as "bad terrorists" from the "good ones." Plus, we have to improve our nuclear arsenal from 100 nukes to 120 nukes.

But I dug deeper and figured there's a bigger problem. A massive PR (public relations) problem. Our country just isn't pretty anymore. Far from it. Ask anyone around the globe what they think of Pakistan and you'll get an answer similar to the screenshot from this picture. It isn't an anti-Pakistan campaign lodged by "Amreeka" anymore when such perception exists around the world.

Why?

We have rampant corruption, exhibit systematic ambivalence towards torture of minorities while refusing to protect them, we have an intelligence agency that doesn't answer towards any body and has made its own state within a State. Finally as a State we treat our own heroes as villains (e.g., Abdus Salam).

Sure, Pakistan is not a monolithic entity and is comprised of various people from vast different trains of thought, many of them so brave. I exhaust all my energy everyday reminding everyone of that.

But when we have a problem with a 14 year old girl shot in the head for going to school as representative of Pakistan and instead label her as a Western *****, then we might as well start getting used to Homeland episodes like these and enjoy them!
We deserve to be one-dimensional antagonists on popular TV shows.
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lol you don't get it do you. Milk and honey could flow down the indus and the west would still find something to complain about. The best Pakistan can hope for is for the west to simply just let it be. Personally most people I know don't really care anymore and in general the "hype" since 9/11 has died down. Here in Britain most people just want to forget the last decade and move on. Unfortunately our friends in the media periodically bring things up. The Hollywood machine has a mission to demonise Pakistan because it is a threat. they'll drop names, hints, issues subliminally where they can.

I don't watch Homeland because its a racist program that is highly inaccurate and wrong. Even fiction like this should have some accuracy but it doesn't and is written by an Israeli bigot so no surprise there. I'm glad im not watching it!! The idnains seem to eb loving it though but then they enjoy propaganda anyway.
 
the Great Khan said:
lol you don't get it do you. Milk and honey could flow down the indus and the west would still find something to complain about. The best Pakistan can hope for is for the west to simply just let it be. Personally most people I know don't really care anymore and in general the "hype" since 9/11 has died down. Here in Britain most people just want to forget the last decade and move on. Unfortunately our friends in the media periodically bring things up. The Hollywood machine has a mission to demonise Pakistan because it is a threat. they'll drop names, hints, issues subliminally where they can.

I don't watch Homeland because its a racist program that is highly inaccurate and wrong. Even fiction like this should have some accuracy but it doesn't and is written by an Israeli bigot so no surprise there. I'm glad im not watching it!! The idnains seem to eb loving it though but then they enjoy propaganda anyway.
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Trust me Hollywood doesn't have to do anything. The periodic persecution of minorities with State ambivalence, the complete absence of law and order, the complete lack of intellectual and financial capital are internal factors that compound enough to give a lovely picture of us to the outside world.

But hey carry on with your life without introspection and blame external forces for our image.
 
smoothcriminal said:
Trust me Hollywood doesn't have to do anything. The periodic persecution of minorities with State ambivalence, the complete absence of law and order, the complete lack of intellectual and financial capital are internal factors that compound enough to give a lovely picture of us to the outside world.

But hey carry on with your life without introspection and blame external forces for our image.
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some people just read what they want and ignore what they don't like. Read the first line. Pakistan could be a land of milk and honey and it wouldn't make a difference. Its time people like you woke up to the reality of this world my friend. As for "trust me Hollywood bla blah blah" oh bhai meray the whole film/tv industry in the United states is discriminatory. Just read the excellent book by Jack Shaheen called really bad arabs.

Explain to me why when they made the Osama bin laden killing film they portrayed Pakistan as some weird desert back water that looked worse than an oasis in yemen? why? they have billions of dollars to spend yet couldn't do a simple search on google and realise what Islamabad looked like? they have billions of dollars to spend and don't realise the ISI is a branch of the army and not an independent agency like the CIA? They have billions of dollars to spend on tv series and create a plot that is so xenophobic its laughable!

The media has an agenda. that's what its there for. It is a tool to mold perception and opinion. For example during the cold war the US media proceeded to demonise the soviets to such an extent that middle America thought their neighbours were communists. The same has happened to arabs and muslims since the war of 65 with Israel.

As soon as the afghan war ended and America didn't want a nuclear Pakistan, they began demonising Pakistan. Its a way of social conditioning. Its how they control their population. Television is a tool that can hypnotise and mold a human beings mind. Why do you think the news in the US is the way it is? why?

As for the issue about Hollywood dropping hints, well its all over the place. They dropped stupid dialogue into films like captain America 2 and Thor. They had nothing to do with Pakistan but they still dropped in the subliminal dialogue. Why?

Here's one for you , are you aware that Marvel comics publishes a comic book called MS Marvel. The superheroine is a 16 year old from new jersey who is the daughter of Pakistani immigrants and is a Americas first female Muslim superhero. She is an "inhuman" and the comic book is written by G willow Wilson a revert. Now in a few years time Marvel will be releasing Captain Marvel and the inhumans. Both stories have connections to our super heroine. How much do you want to bet Disney will never allow Kamala Khan to grace our screens in the form she takes in the comic book?? I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it and if she does make it they'll fudge it immensely.

But I digress, we do have our own problems theres no doubt about it. But If Hollywood wants to create a fiction and portray us as something we are not that should be resented and criticised.
 
Its a piece of fiction. I watch it and enjoy it and laugh at some of the stereotypical portrayal.

Still find it better than Indian BS movies that demonize Pakistanis all the time. Now those I definitely refuse to watch. HAHA
 
I watched a few episodes on C4OD for the first time a few days back, last 4 episodes available in the current series. It is not bad, but a few anomalies undermine the believability factor and undermine the show. The ISI guy who plays the sympathetic character doesn't even pretend to have a Pakistani accent and sounds more like Piers Morgan. Then the Taliban characters all look like they've been shipped in from Harlem or Calcutta other than Haqqani himself and that also undermines the show somewhat. But the scenery is realistic and it looks like a decent story so fair play, not a bad effort. I might try to catch the earlier episodes of this series, not sure about bothering with the rest.
 
Love this season. Carrie and Quinn reversing roles from the beginning of the season. Should be a fun finish after the reveal of the guy in the car.
 
The finale was horrible!!

What an anti-climax to such a great series. They wasted so much time on Carrie's long lost mother and even wasted time with the baby scenes - it was so boring. I was half expecting something to blow up or for Quinn or Saul perhaps to get assassinated but no, we had no action at all. :(
 
I kept waiting for the big payout in the finale and it never came. I felt deceived.


Last few episodes were so amazing and then the finale kind of ruined the whole season. It does do just enough to keep viewers interested in the next season but I think most people felt let down.
 
Fantastic season, the best yet.

I actually liked the finale. So did most of the critics. Surprisingly understated, but effective. More of an epilogue, which was a brave and intriguing model to follow.
 
the Great Khan said:
I don't watch Homeland because its a racist program that is highly inaccurate and wrong. Even fiction like this should have some accuracy but it doesn't and is written by an Israeli bigot so no surprise there. I'm glad im not watching it!! The idnains seem to eb loving it though but then they enjoy propaganda anyway.
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I don't think it's a racist show tbh and I don't get how you can completely dismantle the show without actually watching it, unless I've missed something here.

As for the remark about the Indians, yes it seems that they enjoyed it this year, but then we have numerous Pakistanis and other nationalities in this thread that have been loving it.

Okay so American TV doesn't always offer the most true-to-life depictions of person, politics and place - but fiction can be separated from fact one would hope.
 
James said:
I don't think it's a racist show tbh and I don't get how you can completely dismantle the show without actually watching it, unless I've missed something here.

As for the remark about the Indians, yes it seems that they enjoyed it this year, but then we have numerous Pakistanis and other nationalities in this thread that have been loving it.

Okay so American TV doesn't always offer the most true-to-life depictions of person, politics and place - but fiction can be separated from fact one would hope.
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ive seen all the series except this one. I mean how hard is it to do some basic research? it is clearly intentional. I'm tired of tripe like this. Just garbage.

The first series was ok the rest have been utter rubbish. Tired of american producers portraying Pakistan as some weird middle eastern hell hole. I mean you wouldnt portray america as some weird klu klux clan dominated country just because of ferguson? and even if you want the fiction, thats fine but at least get the aesthetics right!!
 
A different twist on the final but given how entertaining this season was, I have no gripes.
 
James said:
Fantastic season, the best yet.

I actually liked the finale. So did most of the critics. Surprisingly understated, but effective. More of an epilogue, which was a brave and intriguing model to follow.
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I found it really dull along with the preceding episode. This is the only series I have watched, and it makes me hesitant to watch any previous ones. That said, I really enjoyed most of this series before it fizzled out. There are any amount of US or British shows I can watch where home nation characters agonise over their family issues and they usually do it better.
 
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Season 5 premier last night. Didn't catch the episode but looks like Showtime uploaded it to their Facebook page.
 
Really good first episode.

Couldn't take my eyes off it as usual.
 
After 2 somewhat okish episodes this season, comes a very boring 3rd episode (Plus) Carrie and meds off scenario (AGAIN) is another sore point (just for me).
 
If anyone is interested the first episode of season 6 has been released early by Showtime.
 
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I watch season 1 of this and was horrible, story didn't have any grip
And this got into 5th season?
 
Asim2Good said:
I watch season 1 of this and was horrible, story didn't have any grip
And this got into 5th season?
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it was quite slow.

I started watching from the series in Pakistan and that was excellent and gripping, then when i watched the first it was quite a let down.
 
I have watched first eight episodes of the current season. First three episodes were boring as hell but now it has picked pace and curious to find out what adals agenda is. And character of Quinn has got me intrigued the most, I get the feeling he is going to die this season.
 
Poor Quinn.

Great year for the show though.

Lots of legs left for the next TWO seasons (already been confirmed by Showtime)
 
Very sad to see the demise of Quinn, although with his impediments after the chemical attack it was inevitable that he wouldn't survive this series. Really got hooked again this time round, there were some superb characters, notably the marvellously disgusting right wing tv host whose name escapes me now. I'm not sure where the show is going, but it's been great.
 
Carrie was her usual annoying self ...

Dar Adal was great ...they really tried to make him seem extra evil with the Quinn grooming suggestion ...

Keenans breakdown was interesting ...she's become an autocrat overnight ...

Sad to see Quinn though but good to see him go out on his shield ...honestly there's only so much punishment one man can take ...
 
This season started off quite well but ended up being a bit of a let down I think. Hopefully next season will see a Donald Trump style President emerge, the real life one is more entertaining than the Hilary Clinton tv version at the moment.
 
Still not watched this. Seven seasons of catchup to do.
 
I actually felt that the season started off in a laboured fashion but then got steadily stronger as it progressed. The penultimate episode set in Moscow was superb.

Linus Roache (Wellington) was for me the standout acting performance this time - reflected the chaotic inner dialogue of his tortured President with a range of emotions, mostly bewilderment, as even in private she found it difficult to ever break free from that ice-cold well-trained public personality of the next Iron Lady.
 
Robert said:
Still not watched this. Seven seasons of catchup to do.
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Dont bother Robert, it's all American propaganda. USA is great and Russia are bad etc.

Some of the acting is very good along with the storylines but nothing more and the main star is so annoying, a mental case.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Dont bother Robert, it's all American propaganda. USA is great and Russia are bad etc.
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The first two seasons and the fourth season were about the evils of the American drone program, the many lies and propaganda efforts spread by the American government, and the context / legitimacy of the militant resistance that America’s foreign policy has created overseas.
 
James said:
The first two seasons and the fourth season were about the evils of the American drone program, the many lies and propaganda efforts spread by the American government, and the context / legitimacy of the militant resistance that America’s foreign policy has created overseas.
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Sure but the conclusion was America does bad things but with good intentions. :genius
 
KingKhanWC said:
Sure but the conclusion was America does bad things but with good intentions. :genius
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Not sure if it was. That’s open to interpretation.

In the first two seasons, we see how an American soldier has been mentally destroyed by the system that cruelly abandoned him, and how America’s aggression overseas has proportionate consequences.

And in the fourth season, America ends up doing a sweet territory deal with the Taliban in exchange for maintaining a drone presence in Pakistan, showing the susceptibility of both sides to protect their own interests.

Also worth mentioning that the sixth season was about a domestic terror cabal within the US government aiming to assassinate its own President and blame the deed on a vulnerable lackey who would then be taken out to silence him, a blatant reference to JFK. Nothing to do with anyone apart from Americans and their bloodthirsty games.

The third season - about Iran - and the fifth, seventh seasons - about Russia - I’ll give you those.
 
James said:
I actually felt that the season started off in a laboured fashion but then got steadily stronger as it progressed. The penultimate episode set in Moscow was superb.

Linus Roache (Wellington) was for me the standout acting performance this time - reflected the chaotic inner dialogue of his tortured President with a range of emotions, mostly bewilderment, as even in private she found it difficult to ever break free from that ice-cold well-trained public personality of the next Iron Lady.
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While I agree that it picked up near the end, the ease at which the Russian spy was succeeding with his plans in America was a joke.
 
James said:
Not sure if it was. That’s open to interpretation.

In the first two seasons, we see how an American soldier has been mentally destroyed by the system that cruelly abandoned him, and how America’s aggression overseas has proportionate consequences.

And in the fourth season, America ends up doing a sweet territory deal with the Taliban in exchange for maintaining a drone presence in Pakistan, showing the susceptibility of both sides to protect their own interests.

Also worth mentioning that the sixth season was about a domestic terror cabal within the US government aiming to assassinate its own President and blame the deed on a vulnerable lackey who would then be taken out to silence him, a blatant reference to JFK. Nothing to do with anyone apart from Americans and their bloodthirsty games.

The third season - about Iran - and the fifth, seventh seasons - about Russia - I’ll give you those.
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It depends how you see it I suppose. But we have to remember such tv will show a few issues of the nation in bad light so the viewer thinks its not simple propaganda but the underlying message after watching the full series is the old , 'we really are the good guys' which is total nonsense. But I guess it's an American show so it's expected.
 
I gave it about half a season. Didn’t really grab me. Claire Danes is transfixing though, what a superb actor.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Is it worth watching? Carrie is so annoying, there is no way anyone with her mind could be a highly skilled CIA agent.

Is China the enemy now?
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2 episodes in, not bad. Better than the last 2 seasons I'd say.

The focus currently is on Afghanistan/Pakistan with the Russians having influence as well.
 
I know Carrie is irritating but thats exactly how she is supposed to be. The story lines have been fantastic.

Any shows like this currently around?
 
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