How did India lose a Test match at home to this Australian side?

[ethan hunt]

How did the indians falter against this side ??
India scraped their way to a series win while SL and Pakistan whitewashed them .
This performance against Bangladesh puts things in perspective .
Australia have the lowest batting average of all teams vs spin in Asia in the last 10 years .
They might still beat Bangladesh but they do look hopeless.
Also teams winnimg in their comfort zone has made test cricket far too predictable.

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[Rafa]

Steve O Keefe

 

[Proactive_]

Because India is a massively overrated Test team itself.

 

[Sin Nombre]

Rank turners are a lottery.

India would win every test in Asian conditions against them where 350 is the par first innings score (ie good pitch).

 

[ethan hunt]

Because India is a massively overrated Test team itself.

Not sure about that. I think this is one of India's strongest ever test sides but by december they would have played their last 31 tests either at home or against the likes of Srilanka , Bangladesh and the Westindies.
Not an ideal reflection of strength.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Because we were bored and tired of destroying teams and seeing the state of australian team we became complacent. We have already whitewashed the austrailian side twice before the last tour unlike some lower ranked nations like pakistan who have won just 3 tests against the aussie side in the last 20 years. So there was not novelty in whitewashing the aussies again, our ace spinner was also injured, so it wasn't a surprise the aussies performed better than everyone expected but we still beat them comfortably in the end

 

[ethan hunt]

Rank turners are a lottery.

India would win every test in Asian conditions against them where 350 is the par first innings score (ie good pitch).

Srilanka did fine on rank turners vs Australia. Australian pitches are also 350 plus pitches .
Dont think India would win on those
India have dished out turners for a while now . So the pitches for the series weren't exactly alien.

 

[ethan hunt]

Because we were bored and tired of destroying teams and seeing the state of australian team we became complacent. We have already whitewashed the austrailian side twice before the last tour unlike some lower ranked nations like pakistan who have won just 3 tests against the aussie side in the last 20 years. So there was not novelty in whitewashing the aussies again, our ace spinner was also injured, so it wasn't a surprise the aussies performed better than everyone expected but we still beat them comfortably in the end

Bored and tired is one way of looking at it .
Not sure its a sound strategy since teams like England and Australia dont get bored and tired of hammering India when they tour.
India should be ruthless tbh.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Bored and tired is one way of looking at it .
Not sure its a sound strategy since teams like England and Australia dont get bored and tired of hammering India when they tour.
India should be ruthless tbh.

We have won as many tests against the aussie side ( maybe even more don't remember the latest stats) in this millenium as teh aussie have won against us. We have hammered the aussie side as much if not more since 2000, unlike some lower ranked nations like pakistan which get whitewashed again and again.

England on the other is a good argument, England has been our bogey team, so we weren't complacent or tired against then, we wanted to take revenge and that's what we did, when we hammered them left right and center.

 

[Proactive_]

Not sure about that. I think this is one of India's strongest ever test sides but by december they would have played their last 31 tests either at home or against the likes of Srilanka , Bangladesh and the Westindies.
Not an ideal reflection of strength.

Australia were the only team who came to India with a half decent spin attack, and no wonder they ran India so close. It was a blessing in disguise to have Kohli get injured and have Rahane captain in the last test who did an immaculate job tbh , that too on the greenest of the pitches in that series no less, whereas Kaptain King Kohli presided over a 300 run loss at Pune and couldn't marshal his troops to even take 6 wickets on the last day at Ranchi.

Other than Aus, India faced spinners like Ish Sodhi and Adil Rashid so obviously they managed to win the other home series comfortably. Make no mistake, this Indian team is nowhere near what the rankings and rating points show. Both the main spinners are liabilities overseas, the pacemen in Umesh, Bhuvi, Shami et al have also been failures overseas barring a series or so.. and there are quite a few batsmen in the line up who are more hype and less substance, including the captain.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Australia were the only team who came to India with a half decent spin attack, and no wonder they ran India so close. It was a blessing in disguise to have Kohli get injured and have Rahane captain in the last test who did an immaculate job tbh , that too on the greenest of the pitches in that series no less, whereas Kaptain King Kohli presided over a 300 run loss at Pune and couldn't marshal his troops to even take 6 wickets on the last day at Ranchi.

Other than Aus, India faced spinners like Ish Sodhi and Adil Rashid so obviously they managed to win the other home series comfortably. Make no mistake, this Indian team is nowhere near what the rankings and rating points show. Both the main spinners are liabilities overseas, the pacemen in Umesh, Bhuvi, Shami et al have also been failures overseas barring a series or so.. and there are quite a few batsmen in the line up who are more hype and less substance, including the captain.

Yet despite all your vitriol India is ranked number 1 and this post wont change it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

How did Pakistan lose a test series to Zimbabwe at home in 1999?

How did SL drew a test series with BD at home?

How did Pakistan lost a test to WI at home?

These are all upsets.Happen once in a while.

 

[sachin100]

For a team which gets whitewashed by Australia every time winning 2 tests is an achievement for pak and that is an aberration. Abberations happen all the time

 

[BD-fan]

1. Because Australian players can't get their competitive spirit up against BD. They don't want to be here. Just like Shane Warne.

2. Indian conditions are familiar with the Aussie players.

3. Their preparation was top notch before the Indian tour.

+++++

Management:
This series was scheduled in 2015. That time BD players were in top form and firing. Whereas, Australia was in shambles with Watson and Co. saga. So they found excuses to delay the series and drag it two years so that they can regain form and hope for BD to subside.

 

[hadi123]

If I'm not mistaken, Australia batted first which is a very big advantage in Asia. Also feel India were complacent as Australia had been whitewashed 3-0 by SL

 

[troodon]

Rank turners can make ordinary spinners look super threatening. They can make guys like OKeefe look like Muralitharan.

Okeefe was spinning the ball at pace. Extremely difficult to play. Indian batsmen are overrated against spin. Especially left arm orthodox and mystery spinners. Got exposed.

If India played on pitches that requires skill to get wickets, india would have hammered Aus.

Also, credit to Aus. They punched above their weight in that series. Starc was handful. Okeefe and Lyon spun the ball miles. Credit to them. They showed a lot of grit.

 

[troodon]

India pretty much hammered everyone except Aus in the last few years. This includes SL and Banglas(though only 1 test).

 

[Sin Nombre]

Srilanka did fine on rank turners vs Australia. Australian pitches are also 350 plus pitches .
Dont think India would win on those
India have dished out turners for a while now . So the pitches for the series weren't exactly alien.

Slow turners =/= rank turners.

There have only been 3 of those in the last few years - one against SA which was their most competitive test; and the first two against Australia.

 

[thehub]

Yes. That was really bad from India's part to lose a test to one of the top three test teams Indians have set the standard very high as they had not lost even a single game to other lower ranked teams like SL, WI, NZ, England, etc .

 

[joly]

Because Indian cricket is dead n buried

 

[Leo23]

bitter thread

india played a lot of successive tests and performed in all of them but they were bound to have a bad game or two

comfortably the best team around these days

 

[Ab Fan]

India hardly drew a couple of games at home Vs SA, NZ, Eng, Ban and SL away combined and won most of them.

I think Australia elevated their game a lot when toured India and hence started off with a bang. They also drew the third test and were going great even in 2nd test before Pujara Rahane partnership turned things against them.It was a competitive series and was really fun to watch.

 

[ethan hunt]

India hardly drew a couple of games at home Vs SA, NZ, Eng, Ban and SL away combined and won most of them.

I think Australia elevated their game a lot when toured India and hence started off with a bang. They also drew the third test and were going great even in 2nd test before Pujara Rahane partnership turned things against them.It was a competitive series and was really fun to watch.

Yes its surprising how competitive that series was as Australia are easily the worse touring team to Asia currently and India are possibly as strong as they have ever been in test cricket .

 

[ethan hunt]

Yes. That was really bad from India's part to lose a test to one of the top three test teams Indians have set the standard very high as they had not lost even a single game to other lower ranked teams like SL, WI, NZ, England, etc .

All thosr teams mentioned have stronger showings in Asia recently.

 

[ethan hunt]

We have won as many tests against the aussie side ( maybe even more don't remember the latest stats) in this millenium as teh aussie have won against us. We have hammered the aussie side as much if not more since 2000, unlike some lower ranked nations like pakistan which get whitewashed again and again.

England on the other is a good argument, England has been our bogey team, so we weren't complacent or tired against then, we wanted to take revenge and that's what we did, when we hammered them left right and center.

Are you sure England are the only bogey team ?? Because i just had a look at India's record vs all test playing countries.

 

[Ab Fan]

Yes its surprising how competitive that series was as Australia are easily the worse touring team to Asia currently and India are possibly as strong as they have ever been in test cricket .

Actually they made a lot of changes in their lineup before touring India. Renshaw is a great prospect. Handscomb and Marsh came into the side mainly because they needed players susceptible Vs spin and then there was Starc and afterwards Pat Cummins came.

However, they should have done better Vs Bangladesh than what they have shown till now but let's see if they can fight back and make this series close enough.

 

[sachin100]

Are you sure England are the only bogey team ?? Because i just had a look at India's record vs all test playing countries.

What nonsense. India won in eng like eng won in india. Ind gave them 4-0 same as 4-0 from eng. We have beaten aus more than we lost against them.

in sa we r never humiliated. We r competive in every series and we r not white wash heroes like pak team which is getting white washed since ages

 

[CanadianG00se]

Are you sure England are the only bogey team ?? Because i just had a look at India's record vs all test playing countries.

Im sure he meant against them in India. Apart from England, no team have won series in India in last 10 years. I dont even know when was the last time NZ won a game against India in India. SL have never won a test match in India.

So, he is right to state England was only bogey team.

 

[thehub]

What nonsense. India won in eng like eng won in india. Ind gave them 4-0 same as 4-0 from eng. We have beaten aus more than we lost against them.

in sa we r never humiliated. We r competive in every series and we r not white wash heroes like pak team which is getting white washed since ages

He just remembers the white wash happened to India in 2011/12. He doesn't know that India have better win loss ratio in countries like Aus, End and SA since 2000 despite of those whitewash. If you count india's fab 4's final series to Aus and Eng, you need to count their wins in those countries In their previous series when they were at peak.

 

[Mobashir]

Rank turners are a lottery.

India would win every test in Asian conditions against them where 350 is the par first innings score (ie good pitch).

Even on rank turners you were not able to dismiss Steven Smith. On 350 par pitches what do you want? Him to score a thousand runs in the series?

 

[Hasan123]

Australia played well, you have to give them credit for that. They prepared well for series as well.

 

[Sin Nombre]

Even on rank turners you were not able to dismiss Steven Smith. On 350 par pitches what do you want? Him to score a thousand runs in the series?

Well you know how that script went in Dharmasala and Ranchi.

 

[thehub]

Australia played well, you have to give them credit for that. They prepared well for series as well.

They lost the series 1-3. People here calling that as success or decent. India's tour to England had same result but people here called that as a failure and treated more like whitewash.
India too went with rebuilding team with a lot of players playing their first series in England.

 

[Hasan123]

They lost the series 1-3. People here calling that as success or decent. India's tour to England had same result but people here called that as a failure and treated more like whitewash.
India too went with rebuilding team with a lot of players playing their first series in England.

Lol Australia lost 2-1. The other game was a well earned draw.

 

[Chrish]

It was embarrassing loss

 

[Sin Nombre]

It was embarrassing loss

It was the worst loss at home in 3+ decades imo.

Indian fans, any other losses which were worse that you can think of?

 

[Chrish]

The way India came back into the series though you gotta give them credit. Australia had the decent lead even in 2nd test after the end of 1st inning and India still won the game anyway despite the odd against them and psychological disadvantage from the 1st game. Reckon majority of the test sides would have surrendered.

Say what you want about them touring away but they have been immense in Asia.

 

[Napa]

Lol Australia lost 2-1. The other game was a well earned draw.

It wasn't a "well earned draw", Australia were saved as time ran out. Given more time it was a certain Indian victory. Any "well earned draw" can't have opponents scoring over 600 in the only innings they needed to play.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

My dear "Indian" brothers, there is a reason why India is ranked #1 with 125 points, a massive 15 points lead over #2 SA. While other contenders like Aus and Eng lose to minnows, India like a true champion defeats them all.

To put things in perspective, 111 is the highest rating the pakistan cricket team has ever achieved in their entire history. 125 is the highest rating the England cricket team as ever achieved in their entire cricketing history.

 

[Proactive_]

My dear "Indian" brothers, there is a reason why India is ranked #1 with 125 points, a massive 15 points lead over #2 SA. While other contenders like Aus and Eng lose to minnows, India like a true champion defeats them all.

Australia had around 130 rating points in 2006 and that was a team which defeated every single country home and away without fail. Even trying to suggest that this Indian team is barely 5 points adrift of that Australian team is a hilarious proposition. I'm sorry but 125 pts is no where near the accurate reflection of the competence of this team.

 

[Napa]

Because we were bored and tired of destroying teams

I agree. Even against England, we were below par in the first Test and then came back in the later Tests.

 

[Sin Nombre]

To put things in perspective, 111 is the highest rating the pakistan cricket team has ever achieved in their entire history. 125 is the highest rating the England cricket team as ever achieved in their entire cricketing history.

India had a rating of 130 around 2009.

That was a team which was slightly less dominant in India but had significant series results away.

 

[Napa]

To put things in perspective, 111 is the highest rating the pakistan cricket team has ever achieved in their entire history.

Even that 111 was a fluke, as in less than a year later they are down to 93.

India now needs to beat SA in SA to get to 130.

 

[Executioner]

Australia played really well that match. End of arguement

 

[Proactive_]

So now India is barely 5 points from equalling the strength of the 2005-6 Australian team, brilliant.

 

[thehub]

Lol Australia lost 2-1. The other game was a well earned draw.

My mistake. Apologies.They played and won too many series.

 

[Buffet]

So now India is barely 5 points from equalling the strength of the 2005-6 Australian team, brilliant.

Your post made me check the data. I think it's not fair to limit peak rating of Aus team for period of after 2005. They were almost end of their dominance. Check their peak rating for entire period.

 

[Buffet]

On topic of matching great Aus team, Indians have a long way to go and I don't see them doing that. They lack pacers to do that.

 

[Sin Nombre]

On topic of matching great Aus team, Indians have a long way to go and I don't see them doing that. They lack pacers to do that.

Agreed but they have pacers enough to keep them competitive in SA, Eng, Aus unless flat tracks are prepared.

I think this team will get to a peak rating of ~130 which will be 13 points less than the great Aus team.

I think that would be a fair reflection of its abilities.

 

[Sin Nombre]

So now India is barely 5 points from equalling the strength of the 2005-6 Australian team, brilliant.

So we are talking about the Australian team right after their loss in the Ashes. Got it.

 

[Napa]

Agreed but they have pacers enough to keep them competitive in SA, Eng, Aus unless flat tracks are prepared.

I think this team will get to a peak rating of ~130 which will be 13 points less than the great Aus team.

I think that would be a fair reflection of its abilities.

I hope they can at least get to 140, which would make them the second best team ever. The batting is everything one can desire, with a lineup of Dhawan, Rahul, Pujara, Kohli and Rahane each capable of scoring a century regularly. The bowling is the challenge, but the pacers Yadav, Shami, Kumar and Pandya keep getting better.

 

[ethan hunt]

To put things in perspective, 111 is the highest rating the pakistan cricket team has ever achieved in their entire history. 125 is the highest rating the England cricket team as ever achieved in their entire cricketing history.

31 consecutive tests by december either at home or against bang , sri and wi .
Not many teams have an itinery like that either . We will soon find out whether this team is different from the Indian sides that roll over as soon as they leave Asian shores.

 

[Napa]

We will soon find out whether this team is different from the Indian sides that roll over as soon as they leave Asian shores.

Going 0-3-3 in NZ and Aus is not quite rolling over. Going 0-5-0 like you know who is a proper rolling over.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

31 consecutive tests by december either at home or against bang , sri and wi .
Not many teams have an itinery like that either . We will soon find out whether this team is different from the Indian sides that roll over as soon as they leave Asian shores.

You shouldn't be taking wins against wi too lightly considering your team lost 2 test matches to the windies

 

[ethan hunt]

Going 0-3-3 in NZ and Aus is not quite rolling over. Going 0-5-0 like you know who is a proper rolling over.

Yes obviously england doesnt count because it's in Asia.

 

[ethan hunt]

You shouldn't be taking wins against wi too lightly considering your team lost 2 test matches to the windies

I would never do that .
They are most definitely a stronger touring side than India . India should invite them more often .

 

[Napa]

Yes obviously england doesnt count because it's in Asia.

Oh yeah, after including England you have 7 losses in 9 games which is so much better than 6 losses in 10 games.

 

[Tusker]

Australia had around 130 rating points in 2006 and that was a team which defeated every single country home and away without fail. Even trying to suggest that this Indian team is barely 5 points adrift of that Australian team is a hilarious proposition. I'm sorry but 125 pts is no where near the accurate reflection of the competence of this team.

Without fail? I recall a Ashes loss in 2005 and a drawn series against India in 2003/04.

 

[Napa]

Yes obviously england doesnt count because it's in Asia.

Oh yeah, after including England you have 7 losses in 9 games which is so much better than 6 losses in 10 games.

And including the 4th strong non-subcontinental team (SA) we have from the most recent tours, 10 losses in 12 away games for Pakistan, and 7 losses in 12 away games for India. You are in a poor position to be saying things like "Indian sides that roll over as soon as they leave Asian shores".

 

[Sin Nombre]

And including the 4th strong non-subcontinental team (SA) we have from the most recent tours, 10 losses in 12 away games for Pakistan, and 7 losses in 12 away games for India. You are in a poor position to be saying things like "Indian sides that roll over as soon as they leave Asian shores".

England away is the only result that matters.

 

[Titan24]

Give the pitches which India makes for their home tests to Yasir Shah and Shadab Khan and then watch the circus.

Many under 100 totals are gonna be witnessed.

 

[akki]

Give the pitches which India makes for their home tests to Yasir Shah and Shadab Khan and then watch the circus.

Many under 100 totals are gonna be witnessed.

You are under estimating pakistan. Though pakistan is never known for their batting. And yeah i understand giving turning wickets will most of the time backfire as pakistan dnt have batting to consistently beat anyteam anywhere.
But still its overrated statement by you that many under 100 totals are gonna be witnessed as pakistan still can play better and we all expect tgem to beat some teams.Though after younis and misbah,it wont be easy.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

You are under estimating pakistan. Though pakistan is never known for their batting. And yeah i understand giving turning wickets will most of the time backfire as pakistan dnt have batting to consistently beat anyteam anywhere.
But still its overrated statement by you that many under 100 totals are gonna be witnessed as pakistan still can play better and we all expect tgem to beat some teams.Though after younis and misbah,it wont be easy.

No, I think he is right, pakistan would struggle to reach three figures on Indian wickets, they just don't have the batsmen for the job

 

[Titan24]

No, I think he is right, pakistan would struggle to reach three figures on Indian wickets, they just don't have the batsmen for the job

I was talking about our bowling to demolish others. Our batsman can easily make 300 on your tracks.

 

[Titan24]

You are under estimating pakistan. Though pakistan is never known for their batting. And yeah i understand giving turning wickets will most of the time backfire as pakistan dnt have batting to consistently beat anyteam anywhere.
But still its overrated statement by you that many under 100 totals are gonna be witnessed as pakistan still can play better and we all expect tgem to beat some teams.Though after younis and misbah,it wont be easy.

As stated above it was about Pakistani spin bowlers demolishing others. Playing spin on spinning tracks is not much of a problem for our batters.