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How did Pakistan's economy perform during Imran Khan's era?

PML- n supporters cannot fill up a Chowk in Lahore these days. They are forced to use gullu butts to showcase their non existent public support.

PML-N's influence in Punjab was due to a network of corrupt patwaris, numberdars, tehsildars, police officers, DCs/ACs, judges and professional politicians (electables).
They are losing power with each passing day due to change in social dynamics.

PML-N will only be restricted to some pockets of central Punjab come next elections.

If Punjab is divided in to two parts then PMLN might get lucky and have some serious influence in Central Punjab.

Central Punjabis are very loyal to Sharifs even if they sell the country it won't matter. In 2018 80% of Lahore voted for PMLN.
 
Its only a foregone conclusion among your youth brigade circle not in the real world come to central Punjab, Lahore and ask them about PTI's performance and who are they voting for...

What's new? Even in 2018 80% of Lahoris voted for PMLN. In general the cities of Faisalabad, Lahore, Gujranwala and Sialkot (core of Central Punjab) are in love with the Sharif family.

Even when the PTI 'tabdeeli' movement was at its peak these cities mostly stayed loyal and voted for PMLN candidates, so why would the PTI expect better now? Especially with the Punjab province getting split up in two it won't matter that much. PTI never had any chance in Central Punjab. A few seats here and there is a bonus.

Like someone already said if the PTI wants to be in power again it needs to target Southern Punjab and Sindh. If Karachi's transformation becomes a reality then they could expect 40% of the total votes in Sindh. It would be a big example for the locals of what the PTI can do for them. But that's still a big IF.

KPK, Southern Punjab and a bit of Sindh will be key for PTI if they are to win the 2023 election.
 
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Its only a foregone conclusion among your youth brigade circle not in the real world come to central Punjab, Lahore and ask them about PTI's performance and who are they voting for...

Munnay there is more to Pakistan than the paindus of Lahore. Even in 2018 the paindus voted for PML-N.... Guess who became PM.



You will realize this when you grow up kid.
 
Munnay there is more to Pakistan than the paindus of Lahore. Even in 2018 the paindus voted for PML-N.... Guess who became PM.



You will realize this when you grow up kid.

Mr. Man Child, tag me after 2023 election cause I am pretty sure about what will happen in punjab but I can't go back and forth with an immature imbecile because I have a social life but do tag me if this "foregone" conclusion happens lol

Man child am a grown a** man don't know where this mina situation is coming from lol :))
 
Immy was right when he said,’ May inko rulaoga.’ Now, we know he was talking about the average Pakistanis and not corrupt politicians.
 
Mr. Man Child, tag me after 2023 election cause I am pretty sure about what will happen in punjab but I can't go back and forth with an immature imbecile because I have a social life but do tag me if this "foregone" conclusion happens lol

Man child am a grown a** man don't know where this mina situation is coming from lol :))

Ok child we will see in 2023, I hope you would have grown up by then. Don't do a runner like the Sharifs. Sitting in US, hardly ever been to Pakistan and acting as an expert. Also there is more to Pakistan than just Punjab. Even South Punjab is firmly in PTI's bag.

First attain adulthood then enter into discussion with adults.
 
Ok child we will see in 2023, I hope you would have grown up by then. Don't do a runner like the Sharifs. Sitting in US, hardly ever been to Pakistan and acting as an expert. Also there is more to Pakistan than just Punjab. Even South Punjab is firmly in PTI's bag.

First attain adulthood then enter into discussion with adults.

Noonis don't even know what is about to hit them, I am very confident based on recent progress that South Punjab will become separate province (waiting for senate elections) and they never voted for PMLN and this will be last nail in PMLN's coffin. North Punjab is no different, they will punish these scammers again for running smear campaign against Army. So PMLN is left with central Punjab and they will NEVER be able to rule Pakistan just by winning few parts of current Punjab.
Health insurance in Punjab is being rolled out and that will be a game changer for the province. Police reforms is probably the most difficult and at least i haven't heard much progress on this and change of 6 IGs makes it even worse.
 
Noonis don't even know what is about to hit them, I am very confident based on recent progress that South Punjab will become separate province (waiting for senate elections) and they never voted for PMLN and this will be last nail in PMLN's coffin. North Punjab is no different, they will punish these scammers again for running smear campaign against Army. So PMLN is left with central Punjab and they will NEVER be able to rule Pakistan just by winning few parts of current Punjab.
Health insurance in Punjab is being rolled out and that will be a game changer for the province. Police reforms is probably the most difficult and at least i haven't heard much progress on this and change of 6 IGs makes it even worse.

Noon league went to LHC against dismissal of previous IG. This suggests to me he was their man. Finding a suitable guy as IG it's seeming to be a tough ask.
 
Nobody gives vote on reforms masses have other priorities so called arm chaor expert sitting in Disneyland & Tinseltown have you ever attended a corner meeting the current mess is creating a vaccum PTI N league PPP all are in same boat
 
lol :))) :))) :))) :maqsood
He will definitely lose Punjab government for sure no way he is coming back from the Buzdar blunder and military would get a really big coalition together to form a government to keep immu in power (or themselves in power…) and even with military support there’s only a 40% chance of them coming back into the federal picture

but keep dreaming…

Elections will be held in 2023, not today. It’s pretty normal for a new govt. to struggle in its first two years especially if it has to make a lot of decisions that hurt the common man.

The next three years will decide what will happen. Controlling inflation is one of the biggest challenges.

PML-N, in the meantime, need to decide who is their leader, let alone worry about winning the election. Will it be PML-S or PML-M? :inti
 
If Punjab is divided in to two parts then PMLN might get lucky and have some serious influence in Central Punjab.

Central Punjabis are very loyal to Sharifs even if they sell the country it won't matter. In 2018 80% of Lahore voted for PMLN.

Yes PML-N do have its lovers in central Punjab but PML-N's leadership is facing multiple charges and even if Nawaz returns, his future as a politician is in doubt. PML-N may not be there to contest next election.

Leaders of North Punjab should actively demand for a separate province. Punjab must be divided not into two but three provinces.
 
Economy on right path, says Hafeez

KARACHI: The government is confident that it will surpass the growth target set for the current fiscal year as the country is moving towards the right path on internal and external fronts, Adviser to the Prime Minister on Finance and Revenue Dr. Abdul Hafeez Shaikh said on Saturday.

Hailing the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) government’s prudent and timely policies during a meeting with the business community organised by the Overseas Investors Chamber of Commerce and Industry (OICCI), he said tough decisions were taken to restore the economy affected by coronavirus pandemic.

The government took austerity measures and reduced its expenditures, besides freezing expenditures of military and pay of high officials, he added.

Besides freezing all expenditures, no new tax was imposed in the budget nor were any supplementary grants approved, he added.

The expenditures of Prime Minister House was decreased by 35 per cent while expenditures of President House were decreased by 30pc, the adviser said.

The government has repaid Rs5 trillion debt during the last two years, he informed the meeting.

“When Covid-19 hit the whole world, there were two immediate challenges faced by the country. The first challenge was to save common people from its economic effects and other to protect businesses,” Shaikh said.

The government annou*nced Rs1,240bn relief package, with different components. The biggest one was to transfer cash to common and vulnerable people, it was historic, he said adding that Rs250bn was disbursed among 16 million people without any discrimination and irrespective of geographic or political affiliation.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1579441/economy-on-right-path-says-hafeez
 
Prime Minister Imran Khan will address a high-level panel of the United Nations on International Financial Accountability, Transparency, and Integrity via video link today, Radio Pakistanreported.

The 15-member panel was launched in March by the Presidents of the UN General Assembly and UN Economic and Social Council.

The international forum was formed to help address the financing gap for implementing the anti-poverty Sustainable Development Goals by 2030.
 
Govt allows increase in medicine prices. Some prices have gone up by 400%! A brand of tablets to treat angina has gone up from Rs 186 to 510.
 
It takes some cajones for a govt to still keep prices and inflation high 2 years in power with another 2.5 years to go knowing they will have to make a strong case for reelection.

They are arguing the current economic policies were necessary to fix the economic structure of the country and the nation has to go through this chemotherapy.

The previous govts added $64 billion to the foreign debts and showed nothing for it except for fat personal bank accounts
 
Govt allows increase in medicine prices. Some prices have gone up by 400%! A brand of tablets to treat angina has gone up from Rs 186 to 510.

I don't know about that but knowing your post history you are most likely lying because that's all you do.


Here is health minister explaining the situation himself. Try and understand it if you are capable to do so. The price of these drugs weren't increased for decades due to which they weren't even available and people were having to buy them from black at exorbitant prices but now with small increase they will get it through official channels. End beneficiary is the consumer.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Selective statistics used in isolation to further personal agendas can be extremely misleading. The recent price adjustment of 94 drugs that actually gives relief to the end user and makes lifesaving drugs locally available is being misrepresented as an exponential price increase <a href="https://t.co/MshghHxQH8">pic.twitter.com/MshghHxQH8</a></p>— Faisal Sultan (@fslsltn) <a href="https://twitter.com/fslsltn/status/1310242612893364228?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Adrenaline injection, a lifesaving drug being criticized for a 175% increase will now be available locally for an absolute increase of merely Rs. 3.80/vial. Atropine injection another lifesaving medicine being criticized for a 311% inc has gone from Rs. 1.44/vial to Rs. 5.94/vial</p>— Faisal Sultan (@fslsltn) <a href="https://twitter.com/fslsltn/status/1310242616156528640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Most of these 94 drugs had disappeared out of the local market. For years they were being smuggled and sold for exponentially higher prices with no quality control. With a nominal price adjustment, these drug will now be available locally at much lower prices for the end user.</p>— Faisal Sultan (@fslsltn) <a href="https://twitter.com/fslsltn/status/1310242618010370049?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
It takes some cajones for a govt to still keep prices and inflation high 2 years in power with another 2.5 years to go knowing they will have to make a strong case for reelection.

They are arguing the current economic policies were necessary to fix the economic structure of the country and the nation has to go through this chemotherapy.

The previous govts added $64 billion to the foreign debts and showed nothing for it except for fat personal bank accounts

there is an economic theory that says inflation helps control your debt. I'm no economist but I have read and heard that the higher your inflation the lower your debt and that countries with high levels of debt tend to get high levels of inflation. However the trick is how do you balance the high levels of debt with inflation and provide relief to the public?

The govt really needs to look to provide tangible benefits to the public within the next 18mths or they will let the crooks back in. They will come in subsidise everything provide short term relief and the public will be happy but the economy will go back into a cancerous state.
 
there is an economic theory that says inflation helps control your debt. I'm no economist but I have read and heard that the higher your inflation the lower your debt and that countries with high levels of debt tend to get high levels of inflation. However the trick is how do you balance the high levels of debt with inflation and provide relief to the public?

The govt really needs to look to provide tangible benefits to the public within the next 18mths or they will let the crooks back in. They will come in subsidise everything provide short term relief and the public will be happy but the economy will go back into a cancerous state.

that would be the case if the debt were in PKR. I don't see how PKR inflation would help control USD debt.
 
Someone mentioned that Pakistan's economy is doing better than it was during Musharaff's era. I find that interesting but then upon researching I found out that people tend to take one economic KPI and consider that as the indicator for the overall economy of the country.

So apparently even if one KPI is doing good then the entire economy is doing great. The indicator mostly used these days is the current account which no doubt has been wonderful. However, the economy as a whole is a lot more than just the current account and our PTI fans need to understand that. Though I don't blame the PTI fans who are going around from forum to forum and thread to thread boasting about how the economy has taken a turn for the better is on the right track as this is the exact statement that was made by our very own PM based purely on the shrinking current account deficit.

I've not read the details but I'm sure some of our lovely PTI fans can shine some light onto the reason behind the shrinking current account deficit because obviously that makes a huge impact as well. Have we started exporting more? Have imports decreased? Have the remittances increased? Has the currency devaluation had an impact?

Even though Khan Saab says the economy is heading in the right direction, The IMF thinks rather differently. he IMF has projected that Pakistan’s economy will shrink in 2020, with a negative growth rate of 1.5 per cent. A drastic reduction is also expected in remittances from the Gulf and it is unlikely that investment will increase any time soon.
(https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/Issues/2020/04/14/weo-april-2020)

Moreover, even though we continue to have a capital account surplus and the economy is heading in the right direction and everything is perfect we had to borrow $1.4mn under RFI from IMF. The borrowing has continued under PTI as it did under the previous governments. My question to our resident economic experts and to Khan Saab is: What is the economic impact of continued borrowing without an increase in productivity?

Khan Saab and his followers, as mentioned earlier as well, tend to ignore all other economic KPI's. One might ask Khan Saab and our amazingly intellectual PTI fans here regarding GDP and what the expected growth in GDP per Capita is expected to be since our economy has taken a turn for the better. In case you're not aware latest estimates point out that when Khan took over GDP growth was around 5.5% and is now expected to be at 2.4%.

What about unemployment? These numbers are hardly ever shared by the government. Where do we stand on budget deficit? What is our tax to GDP ratio and is it increasing? What is our borrowing to GDP ratio and is that increasing? Where do our foreign exchange reserves stand? What is our income per capita? What percentage of people fall below the poverty line?

Looking at Pre-Covid economic situation of Pakistan, it is obvious to anyone with even the most basic knowledge of economics that the reduction in the current account deficit was a result of import compression and steep depreciation of the Pakistani Rupee. So even though we were able to put in measures to reduce the current account deficit these measures have major impacts on economic growth.

Pakistan's GDP growth was, as mentioned above, around 5.5% around the time when Khan Saab took over, the following year it dropped to 3.3% and as per IMF projections is expected to fall to 2.4% in FY20.

(https://www.brecorder.com/2019/11/19/545649/lower-gdp-growth-rate-in-2018-19/)
(https://www.dawn.com/news/1527162/world-bank-revises-pakistans-growth-projections-downward)
(https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/60...ts-low-gdp-growth-high-inflation-unemployment)

The increase in foreign exchange reserves (after the IMF approved the EFF programme in 2019) was largely based on borrowed money, such as bailout loans from China, Saudi Arabia and the UAE.Despite a nearly 30 percent depreciation in the value of the Pakistani Rupee, exports increased only marginally (2.2%) whereas inflation we have seen a steady increase in inflation.

(https://www.orfonline.org/research/covid19-and-pakistan-the-economic-fallout-67296/#_ednref17)

(http://www.pbs.gov.pk/sites/default...ices/nb/2019/cpi_review_september_nb_2019.pdf)

As part of the IMF agreement and in order to control inflation SBP has also been steadily increasing interest rates from 6.5 during PML tenure to 13.25% in July 2019. The benefit from this was the inflow of funds into Pakistan in the form of treasury bond purchases however, I would like to know how we stand on this now after COVID.

Nonetheless, high interest rates and taxation coupled with the devaluation of the PKR has resulted in a decline in industrial production. The production is down by 43 percent of cars; 19 percent of motorcycles; petroleum products by 14 percent; cigarettes by 36 percent; steel products by 30 percent; chemicals by 20 percent and so on. In fact, out of the 112 product lines covered by the QIM, there has been a decline in output in 65 lines

(http://epaper.brecorder.com/2019/12/24/18-page/816709-news.html)

Since the Imran Khan government came into office in 2018, the fall in growth coupled with high food prices and rising unemployment had caused almost 10 percent of the population to slip below the poverty line. Pakistan’s debt has increased by almost 40 percent since Imran Khan assumed office. Public debt as a percentage of revenue went up from 447 percent to 667 percent in the span of one year, and debt servicing as a percentage of revenue increased from 37.3 percent to 62.5 percent between FY18 and FY19.

Going forward IMF is projecting a -1.5% growth in GDP in FY20. This is the first time in the history of Pakistan that its economy will contract. Morever, unemployment is projected to go to 16%. Nearly 15–20 million people could slip into poverty, and the total number of poor is likely to cross the 100 million mark, i.e. almost 50 percent of the population.

(http://epaper.brecorder.com/2020/04/14/14-page/833587-news.html)


Laiken bhaiyo ghabrana nahi hai! Current account deficit is shrinking to the economy is going in the right direction!
 
that would be the case if the debt were in PKR. I don't see how PKR inflation would help control USD debt.

well like I said im no economist. what should the govt be doing to keep prices down but also handle the massive debt problem? They seem like they are stuck between a rock and a hard place..No wonder the PMLN are sitting tight. They know they can come back if the PTI fails to clean up their mess..
 
Someone mentioned that Pakistan's economy is doing better than it was during Musharaff's era. I find that interesting but then upon researching I found out that people tend to take one economic KPI and consider that as the indicator for the overall economy of the country.

So apparently even if one KPI is doing good then the entire economy is doing great. The indicator mostly used these days is the current account which no doubt has been wonderful. However, the economy as a whole is a lot more than just the current account and our PTI fans need to understand that. Though I don't blame the PTI fans who are going around from forum to forum and thread to thread boasting about how the economy has taken a turn for the better is on the right track as this is the exact statement that was made by our very own PM based purely on the shrinking current account deficit.

I've not read the details but I'm sure some of our lovely PTI fans can shine some light onto the reason behind the shrinking current account deficit because obviously that makes a huge impact as well. Have we started exporting more? Have imports decreased? Have the remittances increased? Has the currency devaluation had an impact?

Even though Khan Saab says the economy is heading in the right direction, The IMF thinks rather differently. he IMF has projected that Pakistan’s economy will shrink in 2020, with a negative growth rate of 1.5 per cent. A drastic reduction is also expected in remittances from the Gulf and it is unlikely that investment will increase any time soon.
(https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/Issues/2020/04/14/weo-april-2020)

Moreover, even though we continue to have a capital account surplus and the economy is heading in the right direction and everything is perfect we had to borrow $1.4mn under RFI from IMF. The borrowing has continued under PTI as it did under the previous governments. My question to our resident economic experts and to Khan Saab is: What is the economic impact of continued borrowing without an increase in productivity?

Khan Saab and his followers, as mentioned earlier as well, tend to ignore all other economic KPI's. One might ask Khan Saab and our amazingly intellectual PTI fans here regarding GDP and what the expected growth in GDP per Capita is expected to be since our economy has taken a turn for the better. In case you're not aware latest estimates point out that when Khan took over GDP growth was around 5.5% and is now expected to be at 2.4%.

What about unemployment? These numbers are hardly ever shared by the government. Where do we stand on budget deficit? What is our tax to GDP ratio and is it increasing? What is our borrowing to GDP ratio and is that increasing? Where do our foreign exchange reserves stand? What is our income per capita? What percentage of people fall below the poverty line?

Looking at Pre-Covid economic situation of Pakistan, it is obvious to anyone with even the most basic knowledge of economics that the reduction in the current account deficit was a result of import compression and steep depreciation of the Pakistani Rupee. So even though we were able to put in measures to reduce the current account deficit these measures have major impacts on economic growth.

Pakistan's GDP growth was, as mentioned above, around 5.5% around the time when Khan Saab took over, the following year it dropped to 3.3% and as per IMF projections is expected to fall to 2.4% in FY20.

(https://www.brecorder.com/2019/11/19/545649/lower-gdp-growth-rate-in-2018-19/)
(https://www.dawn.com/news/1527162/world-bank-revises-pakistans-growth-projections-downward)
(https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/60...ts-low-gdp-growth-high-inflation-unemployment)

The increase in foreign exchange reserves (after the IMF approved the EFF programme in 2019) was largely based on borrowed money, such as bailout loans from China, Saudi Arabia and the UAE.Despite a nearly 30 percent depreciation in the value of the Pakistani Rupee, exports increased only marginally (2.2%) whereas inflation we have seen a steady increase in inflation.

(https://www.orfonline.org/research/covid19-and-pakistan-the-economic-fallout-67296/#_ednref17)

(http://www.pbs.gov.pk/sites/default...ices/nb/2019/cpi_review_september_nb_2019.pdf)

As part of the IMF agreement and in order to control inflation SBP has also been steadily increasing interest rates from 6.5 during PML tenure to 13.25% in July 2019. The benefit from this was the inflow of funds into Pakistan in the form of treasury bond purchases however, I would like to know how we stand on this now after COVID.

Nonetheless, high interest rates and taxation coupled with the devaluation of the PKR has resulted in a decline in industrial production. The production is down by 43 percent of cars; 19 percent of motorcycles; petroleum products by 14 percent; cigarettes by 36 percent; steel products by 30 percent; chemicals by 20 percent and so on. In fact, out of the 112 product lines covered by the QIM, there has been a decline in output in 65 lines

(http://epaper.brecorder.com/2019/12/24/18-page/816709-news.html)

Since the Imran Khan government came into office in 2018, the fall in growth coupled with high food prices and rising unemployment had caused almost 10 percent of the population to slip below the poverty line. Pakistan’s debt has increased by almost 40 percent since Imran Khan assumed office. Public debt as a percentage of revenue went up from 447 percent to 667 percent in the span of one year, and debt servicing as a percentage of revenue increased from 37.3 percent to 62.5 percent between FY18 and FY19.

Going forward IMF is projecting a -1.5% growth in GDP in FY20. This is the first time in the history of Pakistan that its economy will contract. Morever, unemployment is projected to go to 16%. Nearly 15–20 million people could slip into poverty, and the total number of poor is likely to cross the 100 million mark, i.e. almost 50 percent of the population.

(http://epaper.brecorder.com/2020/04/14/14-page/833587-news.html)


Laiken bhaiyo ghabrana nahi hai! Current account deficit is shrinking to the economy is going in the right direction!

So what you are saying is that Kaptaan took over a bankrupt economy whose economic growth was based upon high imports and high borrowing and so far not managed to sort it out as we would like.
 
So what you are saying is that Kaptaan took over a bankrupt economy whose economic growth was based upon high imports and high borrowing and so far not managed to sort it out as we would like.

That's not what I said at all. If you'd like a summary: Khan took over a faltering economy and made it even worse and is expected to further worse next year due resulting in negative growth for the first time in the history of the country.
 
That's not what I said at all. If you'd like a summary: Khan took over a faltering economy and made it even worse and is expected to further worse next year due resulting in negative growth for the first time in the history of the country.

As you have about much clue on the economy as anything else you write about, no wonder you avoided what I sarcastically said. Do you agree or not that the PK economic growth was an unsustainable bubble based around imports and borrowing or not.
 
Exports grew 6% in September. I hope it is a third consecutive month with current account surplus, fingers crossed.
 
Exports grew 6% in September. I hope it is a third consecutive month with current account surplus, fingers crossed.

Can you share the export growth data? I’ve been reading otherwise but if that’s the case it’s brilliant. Is the growth in USD or as a result of currency devaluation?
 
Can you share the export growth data? I’ve been reading otherwise but if that’s the case it’s brilliant. Is the growth in USD or as a result of currency devaluation?

Answer Bewal's questions first, and you have an internet connection you can Google yourself. I don't make up stuff like Nooras and their worshippers.
 
PTI fans and the tendency to share half truths lol

Exports grew vs the same month last year. Who was in the government last year?

The exports have bounced back on growth trajectory after witnessing decline in last four months from March to June 2020.

lol hence the refusal to answer the question
 
PTI fans and the tendency to share half truths lol

Exports grew vs the same month last year. Who was in the government last year?

The exports have bounced back on growth trajectory after witnessing decline in last four months from March to June 2020.

lol hence the refusal to answer the question

Exports are not like tap water that can be turned on and off, there are structural problems that take years to overcome because once an industry is destroyed by short term over valuing of the currency, the consequences take years to overcome. The PTI has started a process with a competitive currency, we need to develop industry that takes advantage.
 
PTI fans and the tendency to share half truths lol

Exports grew vs the same month last year. Who was in the government last year?

The exports have bounced back on growth trajectory after witnessing decline in last four months from March to June 2020.

lol hence the refusal to answer the question

Abay jahil world over trade figures are compared with same month of last year. :facepalm:



What exactly was happening from March to June 2020? In case you forgot there was a global pandemic and the whole world economy was in recession. The markets that Pakistan exports to were in lock down. Other regional countries are showing negative double digit growth.


No wonder you support Nooras. The level of intellect you display here makes perfect.



Also for the record Mr filthy patwari. Exports in 2013 were $25b and after 5 years of Noora rule they were $23b in 2018.
 
Exports are not like tap water that can be turned on and off, there are structural problems that take years to overcome because once an industry is destroyed by short term over valuing of the currency, the consequences take years to overcome. The PTI has started a process with a competitive currency, we need to develop industry that takes advantage.

So you're saying that the growth we are now seeing is due to the policies implemented years ago?
 
Abay jahil world over trade figures are compared with same month of last year. :facepalm:



What exactly was happening from March to June 2020? In case you forgot there was a global pandemic and the whole world economy was in recession. The markets that Pakistan exports to were in lock down. Other regional countries are showing negative double digit growth.


No wonder you support Nooras. The level of intellect you display here makes perfect.



Also for the record Mr filthy patwari. Exports in 2013 were $25b and after 5 years of Noora rule they were $23b in 2018.

You completely missed the point. However, I do expect a bit too much from the likes of you. PTI people are comparing performances during their own tenure and rejoicing over it.

During PML-N era (comparing the same period so you don't get confused) exports in July 2017 grew by 10.58%. In July 2018 the growth was 14.2%.

Let's look at the same growth in export (considering the currency was heavly devalued when PTI came into power) under PTI government. July 2019 comparable growth rate was 6.8% lower than the growth rate seen under PML-N and again I repeat even after currency was heavily devalued. This year we see a growth of 5.8%

I'm sure you're smart enough to calculate the growth trajectory that we would have seen had PML-N policies still been in place considering the historical trend vs what we see now. I'm also sure you're smart enough to account for currency devaluation and the impact on exports and how the numbers we see under PTI would be in reality if we take out the impact of inflation and devaluation.

Keep your half lies to yourself man and stick to your mantra of "Just because the current account deficit is shrinking the economy is booming!".
 
It's just that whenever you post, I see biased rubbish and tend to ignore unless it's very short and to the point.

As expected. No reply when you show PTI fans the reality of the situation. You can continue making excuses and ignoring the facts. This is typical of the current regime.
 
Long and Short, if the pti govt doesn't find a way to reduce inflation especially on essential items, reduce the cost of living for the common middle class man, to create the number of jobs they said they would and bring exports up, there will be no second term.

They have another 2.5 years to do this. Good luck.
 
You completely missed the point. However, I do expect a bit too much from the likes of you. PTI people are comparing performances during their own tenure and rejoicing over it.

During PML-N era (comparing the same period so you don't get confused) exports in July 2017 grew by 10.58%. In July 2018 the growth was 14.2%.

Let's look at the same growth in export (considering the currency was heavly devalued when PTI came into power) under PTI government. July 2019 comparable growth rate was 6.8% lower than the growth rate seen under PML-N and again I repeat even after currency was heavily devalued. This year we see a growth of 5.8%

I'm sure you're smart enough to calculate the growth trajectory that we would have seen had PML-N policies still been in place considering the historical trend vs what we see now. I'm also sure you're smart enough to account for currency devaluation and the impact on exports and how the numbers we see under PTI would be in reality if we take out the impact of inflation and devaluation.

Keep your half lies to yourself man and stick to your mantra of "Just because the current account deficit is shrinking the economy is booming!".

You can do your Noora worship it won't change the fact that your god took export figure of $25b in 2013 to $23b in 2018. That is a decline of $2b in 5 years. Also trade deficit touched nearly $40b.


Keep barking patwari.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tax receipts surpassing targets, industrial sectors like automobiles, cement, exports etc showing strong growth and stock market bullish are all signs of a strengthening economic recovery.</p>— Hammad Azhar (@Hammad_Azhar) <a href="https://twitter.com/Hammad_Azhar/status/1312378170084122629?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
As expected. No reply when you show PTI fans the reality of the situation. You can continue making excuses and ignoring the facts. This is typical of the current regime.

So I have read your tripe, all you repeated i that the economy was bankrupt when IK came to power. You have not explained anywhere with any substance what IK has done wrong. Let's assume IK never came to power, tell me where the money would have come from to fund the difference in Foreign exchange reserves. If you don't then the rest of your analysis is tripe. Its the equivalent of doing the analysis of the organs when the body is dead.
 
So you're saying that the growth we are now seeing is due to the policies implemented years ago?

Or the lack of growth is the result of short term, brain dead policies that made idiots look good in the short term but IK is getting blamed for. Explain why Exports were 23bn and imports were 55bn. How did you intend to fund the difference?
 
Some of the gems from the filthy mouthed individual named [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] (in just a days time lol)
Keep barking patwari.
Abay jahil world over trade figures are compared with same month of last year.
Also for the record Mr filthy patwari.

Keep on doing what you doin man!
 
Hammad Azhar claiming tax receipts surpasses targets while FBR extend the Deadline for tax filling until Dec 8.
 
You can do your Noora worship it won't change the fact that your god took export figure of $25b in 2013 to $23b in 2018. That is a decline of $2b in 5 years. Also trade deficit touched nearly $40b.


Keep barking patwari.

Brilliant. Ignore all the numbers. Ignore all the comparative figures. Ignore the logic behind the figures and the reasons for the increase/decrease and just worship IK. This is why we are in the mess we are today and it is unfortunate that PTI fans are so oblivious because they keep harping on about current account surplus lol. That's like literally the only thing they know because that is what the current government talks about.
 
Or the lack of growth is the result of short term, brain dead policies that made idiots look good in the short term but IK is getting blamed for. Explain why Exports were 23bn and imports were 55bn. How did you intend to fund the difference?

How did IK fund the difference? It seems as though you have not read what I wrote because I mentioned in my write up how IK funded the difference and I'll repeat it here. He funded it via borrowing and begging. The same way PML-N were doing it.

Also, what are these policies that you speak of and what is short term? All the economic metric (except of course the beloved current account surplus) were doing better during PML regime vs how they're doing now.
 
So I have read your tripe, all you repeated i that the economy was bankrupt when IK came to power. You have not explained anywhere with any substance what IK has done wrong. Let's assume IK never came to power, tell me where the money would have come from to fund the difference in Foreign exchange reserves. If you don't then the rest of your analysis is tripe. Its the equivalent of doing the analysis of the organs when the body is dead.

Again, as mentioned in my reply earlier it seems as though you did not read it properly. Would suggest you give it another ago as I've clarified that in my write up.
 
Hammad Azhar claiming tax receipts surpasses targets while FBR extend the Deadline for tax filling until Dec 8.

Extending the deadline is a common strategy. It always increases the number of filers for virtually no extra effort from FBR. It’s practically a policy.

It has no bearing on whether the targets were actually met (and they definitely should have been if Hammad Azhar is claiming as such). Anyway, the exact numbers will be released soon and you can do verification yourself.
 
How did IK fund the difference? It seems as though you have not read what I wrote because I mentioned in my write up how IK funded the difference and I'll repeat it here. He funded it via borrowing and begging. The same way PML-N were doing it.

Also, what are these policies that you speak of and what is short term? All the economic metric (except of course the beloved current account surplus) were doing better during PML regime vs how they're doing now.

He did it by borrowing, devaluing the currency, and incentivizing exports while cutting imports.

What’s your point? That PMLN was doing all the economic metrics better by using up all our forex reserves? How the hell would PMLN have maintained economic growth with zero left in the bank?

To be honest, I have yet to hear someone tell me what PMLN’s election policies were and how their governance strategy from 2018-2023 would have been to develop Pakistan’s economy further.
 
Again, as mentioned in my reply earlier it seems as though you did not read it properly. Would suggest you give it another ago as I've clarified that in my write up.

I did, besides the usual tripe I didn't see anything. Like all pseudo economists, you need to understand the difference between cause and effect.
 
How did IK fund the difference? It seems as though you have not read what I wrote because I mentioned in my write up how IK funded the difference and I'll repeat it here. He funded it via borrowing and begging. The same way PML-N were doing it.

Also, what are these policies that you speak of and what is short term? All the economic metric (except of course the beloved current account surplus) were doing better during PML regime vs how they're doing now.

For a start he let the currency float freely, this stopped subsidising import and made exports competitive. This has cut imports and helped the exports to increase( marginally) in the middle of a pandemic. The structural problem of low exports hasn't been sorted because the problem is a long term one as the industries that we excelled in like Textiles have been taken BD etc and no new industry has taken their place.So IK hasnt solved a problem that took years to create but at least he has recognised it and started. If your Noora friends had their way, we would have to borrow 20bn a year, and I don't need to tell even someone as badniyaat as you what the effects on Rp and inflation would have been.
 
I did, besides the usual tripe I didn't see anything. Like all pseudo economists, you need to understand the difference between cause and effect.

Yes, case and effect indeed. Something most PTI followers tend to ignore when they go on about the 1 or 2 economic KPI's that are doing well under IK
 
Brilliant. Ignore all the numbers. Ignore all the comparative figures. Ignore the logic behind the figures and the reasons for the increase/decrease and just worship IK. This is why we are in the mess we are today and it is unfortunate that PTI fans are so oblivious because they keep harping on about current account surplus lol. That's like literally the only thing they know because that is what the current government talks about.

Don't do idhar odhar ki baatien tell me what performance leads to decline in exports from $25b to $23b and a trade deficit of $40b.


First explain this performance to me then we can discuss other matters.
 
Yes, case and effect indeed. Something most PTI followers tend to ignore when they go on about the 1 or 2 economic KPI's that are doing well under IK

The word is cause and you need to realise where PK was, when he took over. As i explained, if he didnt try to plug a 30bn+ without remittances and 20bn with remittances, you would be looking at either borrowing that we have never ever had with the IMF asking the price of basics to be increased by 100% or more, a massive devaluation of the RPs in the region of 250 to a $ and a total collapse. Its what the kaffirs have always wanted to give them total control over PK. In the circumstances IK has done ok.
 
Don't do idhar odhar ki baatien tell me what performance leads to decline in exports from $25b to $23b and a trade deficit of $40b.


First explain this performance to me then we can discuss other matters.

This guy has no idea, he reads some stuff without understanding cause and effect. His panacea would be to fix the organs when the body is dead.
 
Don't do idhar odhar ki baatien tell me what performance leads to decline in exports from $25b to $23b and a trade deficit of $40b.


First explain this performance to me then we can discuss other matters.

I‘m begging PMLN posters to respond to this :)) I don’t think I’ve gotten an answer in 5 years.
 
To be honest, I have yet to hear someone tell me what PMLN’s election policies were and how their governance strategy from 2018-2023 would have been to develop Pakistan’s economy further.

The answer is rather simple.

Nawaz is a businessman and he has the right idea of how to get the economy moving. Given the human talent it has, Pakistan certainly underperforms when it comes to developing modern industries.

As a businessman Nawaz understood that for economic development you need peace, security and freedom for capitalists to develop their firms. Instead Pakistan is overrun by jihadis and has an Army which injects itself into the economy.

Nawaz tried to get Pakistan out of the low-level continuous war it wages against India, and the Army didn't like that and foiled him at every turn.

The wrong path Pakistan has taken with respect to terrorism and Army supremacy in domestic affairs has got it repeatedly on FATF lists, and resulted in the absence of development offices of firms like Microsoft, IBM, Oracle etc. which employ hundreds of thousands of Indians in India.

As for Nawaz having stolen money, give me a break! What did he steal? $10 million, $100 million? Pakistan loses at least $100 billion every year due to lost development.

Unfortunately, IK shows zero ability or desire to reduce the power of the Army in domestic affairs, and hence during his rule Pakistan has made zero progress in getting Western investment in setting up modern industries. By this only relevant metric, IK has been a pathetic failure.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
 
The answer is rather simple.

Nawaz is a businessman and he has the right idea of how to get the economy moving. Given the human talent it has, Pakistan certainly underperforms when it comes to developing modern industries.

As a businessman Nawaz understood that for economic development you need peace, security and freedom for capitalists to develop their firms. Instead Pakistan is overrun by jihadis and has an Army which injects itself into the economy.

Nawaz tried to get Pakistan out of the low-level continuous war it wages against India, and the Army didn't like that and foiled him at every turn.

The wrong path Pakistan has taken with respect to terrorism and Army supremacy in domestic affairs has got it repeatedly on FATF lists, and resulted in the absence of development offices of firms like Microsoft, IBM, Oracle etc. which employ hundreds of thousands of Indians in India.

As for Nawaz having stolen money, give me a break! What did he steal? $10 million, $100 million? Pakistan loses at least $100 billion every year due to lost development.

Unfortunately, IK shows zero ability or desire to reduce the power of the Army in domestic affairs, and hence during his rule Pakistan has made zero progress in getting Western investment in setting up modern industries. By this only relevant metric, IK has been a pathetic failure.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

I would add that it has taken Vietnam more than 40 years since its bloody war against Western nations to regain their trust and get investments. It will also take a few decades of good behavior from Pakistan (no more jihadis, no more ISI arming Haqqanis to kill US soldiers, no more FATF lists etc.) to regain trust and become a investment destination, but it will be worth the wait if it is done. The alternative is poverty and an underdeveloped economy.
 
I would add that it has taken Vietnam more than 40 years since its bloody war against Western nations to regain their trust and get investments. It will also take a few decades of good behavior from Pakistan (no more jihadis, no more ISI arming Haqqanis to kill US soldiers, no more FATF lists etc.) to regain trust and become a investment destination, but it will be worth the wait if it is done. The alternative is poverty and an underdeveloped economy.

Yes. Unfortunately, Pakistanis have not done themselves a favor by arming terror outfits thus tarnishing Pakistan's image worldwide. The world is not ready to trust Pakistan and I understand why.
 
The answer is rather simple.

Nawaz is a businessman and he has the right idea of how to get the economy moving. Given the human talent it has, Pakistan certainly underperforms when it comes to developing modern industries.

As a businessman Nawaz understood that for economic development you need peace, security and freedom for capitalists to develop their firms. Instead Pakistan is overrun by jihadis and has an Army which injects itself into the economy.

Nawaz tried to get Pakistan out of the low-level continuous war it wages against India, and the Army didn't like that and foiled him at every turn.

The wrong path Pakistan has taken with respect to terrorism and Army supremacy in domestic affairs has got it repeatedly on FATF lists, and resulted in the absence of development offices of firms like Microsoft, IBM, Oracle etc. which employ hundreds of thousands of Indians in India.

As for Nawaz having stolen money, give me a break! What did he steal? $10 million, $100 million? Pakistan loses at least $100 billion every year due to lost development.

Unfortunately, IK shows zero ability or desire to reduce the power of the Army in domestic affairs, and hence during his rule Pakistan has made zero progress in getting Western investment in setting up modern industries. By this only relevant metric, IK has been a pathetic failure.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

So let me get this straight:
1. You credit Nawaz for improving the situation because he “understands that for economic development you need peace, security and freedom for capitalists to develop their firms. Instead Pakistan is overrun by jihadis”. So, Nawaz is responsible for Zarb e Azb? Army is sitting on their butts? “Army didn’t like that and foiled it at every turn?” Regarding India and deescalation, surely it was someone else, not Imran that opened Gurdwara Darbar Sahib Kartarpur, released Abhinandan, and extended an olive branch to Modi?

2. “Army didn’t like that and foiled him at every turn.” This is very vague. What does this mean?

3. What has Nawaz done to curb the influence of the military? I must certainly raise the question of Nawaz’s allegiance to Zia ul Haq in the 1980s and even 90s while we are on this topic.

4. So the only metric you think is relevant to judging Imran’s progress is Western investment? The same Western investment Nawaz was unable to bring and while British Airways, Amazon, and Samsung are announcing to enter Pakistan in 2020? You keep talking about the FATF list keeping Microsoft, IBM, and Oracle out - what has Nawaz done to comply with FATF? In 2018 when Imran took power we were on the verge of being black listed - in other words, Nawaz had made the situation worse, not better, during his tenure. For the first time in years, FATF has received positive messages from the Pakistan camp on working towards getting out of the grey list and FATF has acknowledged this publicly multiple times. Do tell me in concrete terms what Nawaz’s domestic and foreign policies were for the period 2018-2023 - surely he had the silver bullet?

5. So you concede that Nawaz has been stealing - 10,100 million you say. So what, give you a break. My dear friend, $100 million can feed 1 million individuals in Pakistan for 1 month. $100 million can create businesses, catalyze startups, and revamp public schools. Yet instead, programs like BISP are found wanting - the money intended for the homeless is going into bank accounts belonging to the wives of lower level government officials! So Pakistan needs foreign investment, according to you, but Mian sahab one of the richest Pakistanis in the country (if not the richest) is not investing himself?

The analogy is better with the voters who have been casting the same ballots again and again expecting the same results for 30 years since Zia died. You can lead a sheep to slaughter, and yet never lose his trust.
 
The answer is rather simple.

Nawaz is a businessman and he has the right idea of how to get the economy moving. Given the human talent it has, Pakistan certainly underperforms when it comes to developing modern industries.

As a businessman Nawaz understood that for economic development you need peace, security and freedom for capitalists to develop their firms. Instead Pakistan is overrun by jihadis and has an Army which injects itself into the economy.

Nawaz tried to get Pakistan out of the low-level continuous war it wages against India, and the Army didn't like that and foiled him at every turn.

The wrong path Pakistan has taken with respect to terrorism and Army supremacy in domestic affairs has got it repeatedly on FATF lists, and resulted in the absence of development offices of firms like Microsoft, IBM, Oracle etc. which employ hundreds of thousands of Indians in India.

As for Nawaz having stolen money, give me a break! What did he steal? $10 million, $100 million? Pakistan loses at least $100 billion every year due to lost development.

Unfortunately, IK shows zero ability or desire to reduce the power of the Army in domestic affairs, and hence during his rule Pakistan has made zero progress in getting Western investment in setting up modern industries. By this only relevant metric, IK has been a pathetic failure.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

You have no idea of what your agent did to PK.
 
Not sure why you lot are even responding to an Indian when it comes to Pakistan's economic matters. Do you think he will have Pakistan's best interests in mind? Bilawajah giving him undue importance.


Specially a guy like this Napa who thinks parts of India are like first world countries :))
 
Not sure why you lot are even responding to an Indian when it comes to Pakistan's economic matters. Do you think he will have Pakistan's best interests in mind? Bilawajah giving him undue importance.


Specially a guy like this Napa who thinks parts of India are like first world countries :))

Napa never changes his tune. its always the patronising style we have gotten used to over the years from our friends across the border. the difference now in a covid and post covid world is that the old rules no longer apply. The "do more" rhetoric is dead. the cross border pakistani terrorism slogans are dead. The desire to bend over for western investment is also abating as their are other avenues to look to as the world economy diversifies.

In a post covid world people will look at the countries that failed and say "why did they fail?" "if they couldnt deal with a crisis like this what are they good for?"- with economies facing major existential problems post covid the world will look very different.

Like Is aid before the old Indian narratives are long dead and now new ones are being created. e.g. why did a country like India allow the spread and then subsequent death of so many of its own citizens!!
 
Don't do idhar odhar ki baatien tell me what performance leads to decline in exports from $25b to $23b and a trade deficit of $40b.


First explain this performance to me then we can discuss other matters.

I think it would be pretty much the same performance that has led to a decline in exports from $23.2b to $21.3b even after currency devaluation.
 
I think it would be pretty much the same performance that has led to a decline in exports from $23.2b to $21.3b even after currency devaluation.

What you mean PML-N government also saw corona??? Hahahha


Come up with a better defense kid.
 
Didn't the PML-N enjoy record low oil prices for most of its tenure? Inspite of that they ended up with a CAD of almost $20-40 billion?
 
What you mean PML-N government also saw corona??? Hahahha


Come up with a better defense kid.

Was Corona around last year as well as exports have dipped for a second year in a row. So if we're saying exports declined due to Corona can we also say imports declined due to corona which resulted in the positive impact on the trade deficit?

Does that mean PTI did nothing really and it's all down to corona?
 
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Was Corona around last year as well as exports have dipped for a second year in a row. So if we're saying exports declined due to Corona can we also say imports declined due to corona which resulted in the positive impact on the trade deficit?

Does that mean PTI did nothing really and it's all down to corona?

So you expect PTI to take a declining trend in exports left by your god Nawaz Sharif and reverse in one year?



Also patwari the exports were on track to touch $26b in FY20 significantly higher than ANY year of PML-N and only due to corona they declined to $22.
 
So you expect PTI to take a declining trend in exports left by your god Nawaz Sharif and reverse in one year?



Also patwari the exports were on track to touch $26b in FY20 significantly higher than ANY year of PML-N and only due to corona they declined to $22.

Yes of course they were. I’m sure we were also on track to end poverty, finish unemployment and end world hunger but because of Corona we couldn’t do it or was it because of PMLN’s policies?
 
Yes of course they were. I’m sure we were also on track to end poverty, finish unemployment and end world hunger but because of Corona we couldn’t do it or was it because of PMLN’s policies?

Yeah man I miss the times of PML-N where rivers of milk and honey were flowing
 
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Yes of course they were. I’m sure we were also on track to end poverty, finish unemployment and end world hunger but because of Corona we couldn’t do it or was it because of PMLN’s policies?

Indeed what WERE PMLN’s policies to end poverty and finish unemployment? An answer would be appreciated :)
 
Most PML N supporters disgust me with their attitude where they want IK and pti to fail so badly with utter disregard for the overall economic health of the nation as long as the Sharifs come back to power.

What was the PML N plan to take care of the CAD? To borrow $20 billion every year from China, IMF and to take the nations foreign debts to $200 billion? And they have the audacity and besharmi to constantly criticize the previous military rulers? Musharraf when he left in 2008 left Pakistan with foreign debts of $36 billion.

I will take these martial law administrators any day over these besharm behaya civilian thieves
 
The answer is rather simple.

Nawaz is a businessman and he has the right idea of how to get the economy moving. Given the human talent it has, Pakistan certainly underperforms when it comes to developing modern industries.

As a businessman Nawaz understood that for economic development you need peace, security and freedom for capitalists to develop their firms. Instead Pakistan is overrun by jihadis and has an Army which injects itself into the economy.

Nawaz tried to get Pakistan out of the low-level continuous war it wages against India, and the Army didn't like that and foiled him at every turn.

The wrong path Pakistan has taken with respect to terrorism and Army supremacy in domestic affairs has got it repeatedly on FATF lists, and resulted in the absence of development offices of firms like Microsoft, IBM, Oracle etc. which employ hundreds of thousands of Indians in India.

As for Nawaz having stolen money, give me a break! What did he steal? $10 million, $100 million? Pakistan loses at least $100 billion every year due to lost development.

Unfortunately, IK shows zero ability or desire to reduce the power of the Army in domestic affairs, and hence during his rule Pakistan has made zero progress in getting Western investment in setting up modern industries. By this only relevant metric, IK has been a pathetic failure.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

In short, Nawaz is a businessman so knows how to improve Economy.

Result: Exports reduced in his 5 years & CAD went as high as $20B and by the time his government finished, Pakistan was on the verge of defaulting on loans and new gov had to run to IMF. I am shocked if you think that great businessman knew what he was doing :facepalm:

Quite amusing how you first defended Nawaz Sharif's corruption and then went straight to "Imran Khan hasn't reduced Army's influence". How is this relevant and how do you know their influence was any less in the last govt?

Seriously, come up with something better.
 
Does anyone even know whether Sharif was a good businessman? Surely with large sums of public money at your disposal it is easy to make profits in your company?
 
Btw, what's this rubbish of IK not succeeding in bringing in foreign investment to Pakistan? Aren't their photographs of big time American, European, Chinese, Japanese CEOs visiting him officially to discuss business opportunities in Pakistan?

What about the Saudi $20 billion MoU agreements? What about our close developing ties with Turkey?

Didn't the firm who sued Pakistan for $6 billion want to negotiate doing away with the fine in exchange for a new business deal?

IK in several speeches mentioned that a lot of foreign businesses are interested in doing business with Pakistan and his govt because of the absence of kickbacks, bribes compared to the previous govts?

Wasn't the govt getting involved with a foreign entity to promote and further develop hotels, resorts and other venues up north in order to promote tourism in the country?

Isn't the govt making arrangements with foreign countries and involving the likes of Aneel Mussarat in order to Kickstart construction projects and housing projects in the country?

Cpec is still on going.

Anyone criticising this govt which is working on a war footing day in and night compared to its predecessors is clearly badniyat
 
Indeed what WERE PMLN’s policies to end poverty and finish unemployment? An answer would be appreciated :)

Borrow more and give subsidies.....this has literally been PMLN policy. Borrowing is not the worst thing as long as you use it for wealth creation rather than fund the subsidies :facepalm:
 
Borrow more and give subsidies.....this has literally been PMLN policy. Borrowing is not the worst thing as long as you use it for wealth creation rather than fund the subsidies :facepalm:

Agreed. Has PTI stopped borrowing? What wealth have they created with their borrowing? Where are we in terms of poverty, unemployment and inflation?
 
No what? No policies? No answer? How were they better?

No, PML-N economic policies were not aimed at ending poverty or unemployment. The economic decisions taken by the current government are even worse as we are seeing for the first time in the history of Pakistan negative growth. We continue to see high borrowing and little or no wealth creation. Industrialization continues to take a hit, exports continue to drop and GDP continues to decline. Inflation is at an all time high and currency devaluation has had a negative economic impact resulting in our outstanding debt obligations to increase in local currency with no increase in exports. This has also led to an increase in industrial costs, also mentioned in my detailed post above.
 
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